YTSEJAM Digest 2498
Today's Topics:
1) APSoG - A 12-step program
by "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
2) Fates! Help!
by Anthony LaSorsa <dtgnr@nh.ultranet.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2493
by thekid <thekid@txdirect.net>
4) APSoG: Dissenting Opinion
by Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
5) Parents who are prog fans
by Rick of York <Richard_Harris@brown.edu>
6) New dt disc!
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
7) cancel
by aeroguil <aeroguil@ibm.net>
8) pseudoprog
by charles alexander <chips@eden.com>
9) Fates comment.
by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
10) I am a real asshole
by Jeremy/John Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
11) Re: I must explore the genres
by Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
12) Quake's Warning
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
13) Tapesswap
by "D. Schoen" <denis.schoen@tip.nl>
14)
by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
15) Re: pseudoprog
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
16) Genesis lead singer
by "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
17) Jam
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
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Date: 23 Apr 97 16:03:06 -0700
From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
To: nevans@us.oracle.com, ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: APSoG - A 12-step program
Message-ID: <199704240108.SAA10430@mailsun2.us.oracle.com>
Here's a simple 12-step program guaranteed to entrance you and stimulate
cognitive activity..
(start by putting APSoG into your disc player - press play)
***Step One: listen to the thunder and the eerie guitar/keyboard theme...
note the theme for later reference.
***Step Two: is this NIN? what's with the timbre of the "verse" vocals? The
keyboard textures dominate here, and there are some cool background piano
parts..
***Step Three: here we go! There's a nice chunky guitar riff to start this
section.. check out the little bass fill from 1:09 to 1:12.. interesting
change at 1:36 - turn up your stereos; what is the little girl saying at 1:46
and 1:57 (and 3:09 and 3:21)?
***Step Four: intriguing arpeggiated chords begin this section.. the music
behind the vocals is rich with layers/textures - pay attention to it!
keyboards, great bass melodies, minimalistic cymbal poetry from Zonder, etc..
then suddenly - BAM! gotta love odd-time progmetal riffs!! The drums sound
fantastic.. Kevin's part is subtle here, but cool.
***Step Five: What AMAZING drumwork to begin step five!! I like the "space"
behind the vocals to begin the verse - very effective.. "let nothing bleed
into nothing" - these are interesting lyrics.. 2:15 shows Kevin in "Space Dye
Vest" mode, at least in terms of emotion. The connective drum part at 3:06
rules, followed by a cool thumping guitar riff - the drums don't let up!
Listen to the keyboard quickly pan left->right on each note.. that final
chord hurts!!
***Step Six: great effect achieved by the opening guitar bends - this could be
a movie score.. I KNOW that bass riff is in 5/4! =) Very quiet samples at
3:29, 3:36, 3:42, 3:47 - what's being said?!?! I love the keyboard sound in
the following part (behind the vocals). Cool key change at 4:26.. Here's the
first guitar solo - very understated - nice final triplet tho.. I like the
vocal "soliloquy".. what's that? the opening them, I believe, in the keyboard
(I think, this is only my 2nd listen) to close this section..
***Step Seven: Kevin comes in with that pulsing piano in the background,
behind another restatement of that opening theme on electric guitar.. that
piano background gives this a very "hectic" feeling.. Another cool odd-time
guitar/bass riff. Wow, vocals over this bizarre riff - this section will
require repeated listens to digest the rhythms... "let nothing bleed into
nothing" - there it is again! I love that line.. check out the bass at 2:43..
more cool keyboard textures at 3:38.. there's another sample here! I can make
out "I want you to do me a favor... <garbled something>... Just shoot me!
Shoot me!" 3:48 -> is this Lie by DT?
***Step Eight: Here's that cool rambling keyboard/piano background again -
it's very disconcerting.. some chanting/cheering in the background too -
what's the significance? Listen to the intensity build up to 0:48.. another
complex guitar/bass riff over some changing piano parts - requires digestion!
I love the way the guitar doubles the piano starting at 2:00..
***Step Nine: What's this? Major chords? Acoustic guitar ballad from Fates?
I love the line "writing letters in my head". Very poignant. The fretless
bass *really* works here - great idea! sort of blue murder-esque.. Ah,
distortion at 2:48.. A very tasteful solo, with the requisite harmony guitar
section.. A nice song - this could stand alone as a single..
***Step Ten: Pulsing lines from Kevin's keys usher this one in.. That harsh
key sound repeating on the offbeat - can't you just see a red warning light
flashing somewhere?.. this is merely a "connector" to..
***Step Eleven: A cool 7/4 (or 4/4 + 3/4) guitar riff (nice dissonant harmony
by Kevin), more great Zonder work.. time change - 9 beats to a phrase here..
Another time change! Zonder is really playing here! This entire section will
take some serious listening to sort out, rhythmically.. I *love* double cymbal
crashes (2:44).. this part rocks!
***Step Twelve: Interesting introduction - clean guitar with a repeated-note
(w/ octave drop) theme.. Another cool keyboard sound from Kevin here - it
really adds a feeling of "depth" to the mix here.. Very emotional singing in
low register.. That PHAT bass starts up another 5/4 riff! Cool guitar
accompaniment - he staggers the power chords all over the beat here - reminds
me of the riff near the beginning of UaGM the way he toys with the rhythm..
that guitar note at 5:30 - chilling.. 5:35 brings back the opening clean
guitar theme.. note how each lyric phrase here ends positively, coinciding
with a nice sweet major chord - I like! the fading theme and the rain make a
nice ending..
then..........RRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!
!!!
You have been rudely jolted out of introspection mode..
If you made it this far I applaud you. Comments are welcome. If you've got
an hour to spare, give my 12-step program a try - you may never be the same..
cheers,
-Neil.
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 21:28:16 -0400
From: Anthony LaSorsa <dtgnr@nh.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fates! Help!
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970423212816.00688148@nh.ultranet.com>
Hello all! I've got a question for y'all. I live in NH and I've looked
everywhere for this god-forsaken cd. I want it!!! Can anybody direct me
to where you got it? Private email please, I don't check many of the jams.
Tony
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 20:37:28 -0500
From: thekid <thekid@txdirect.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2493
Message-ID: <335EB957.2AB8@txdirect.net>
> Man, I know I'm behind the times. I just saw "Crossroads" for the first
> time tonight. Geez, did Vai ever suck? He was playing Bad Horsie's intro
> riff in the movie. The whole movie was just ass-kicking. Tons of awesome
> guitar stuff (I'm assuming from Vai himself) all throughout the movie, and
> the end scene where Ralph Macchio (sp?) "beats" Vai is so damn cool. I'm
> taping only that part of the movie. That scene is classic. If you haven't
> seen this movie yet, go check it out. If you like Vai or just the shape of
> the guitar in general, you'll love this movie. :)
>
> Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
On my first date we went to see "Crossroads". My priorities have always
been in order. Vai was phemon in the flick. The "classical" piece
Macchio plays to beat Vai was Vai. The blues riffs in the head-cutting
sequence and the rest of the movie were played by Ry Cooder. I'm
actually surprised Vai hasn't done more acting, he has as many facial
expressions as Jim Carrey if not more. To Macchio's credit he practiced
quite a bit to, at least to the untrained eye, look like he was actually
playing. Even to this guitarist he did a pretty good job with the
positioning. Some actors don't even bother. I spent every free moment of
the next six months surgically attached to my guitar. The fingers payed
the price.
Always constant, accurate and intense!!!!!!!!!!!!
Later days.
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 20:48:15 -0500 (CDT)
From: Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: APSoG: Dissenting Opinion
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970423204016.13399B-100000@comp>
Hola Jammanoids,
Okay, am I like the _only_ one on the list that doesn't think the
new Fates disc is the greatest thing since PB&J? Not to say I don't like
it, cause I do, but so far I just don't think it's 'all that and a bag of
chips'...
Here's my first impressions on it... where are the balls and
chunk? I mean, I keep hearing that such and such track is so incredible,
and I listen and I just don't get it. I _have_ been listening to the
thing non-stop since yesterday trying to get into it, but I'm not picking
up on very many 'hooks'. Course, I wasn't that fond of Parallels when I
first got it, but now I really get into that disc.
I guess the moral of this story is that you should read Dr. Mosh's
Fates' Listening Guide before you try to get into this band. If you
should ever find yourself becoming fond of the stuff, you'll never look
back, but it takes a while to sink in.
I'm gonna keep giving APSoG play in the ol' car CD player to and
from work, but if it doesn't start clicking good enough in the next day or
so I'm gonna just hafta pull out some other discs... Parallels comes to
mind, or I've always been partial to Chasing Time... I think 'Circles'
has got to be one of my favorite Fates songs right up there with 'Point of
View'.
DrX
P.S. Oh hell, APSoG is in my car... guess I'll just pop the Beastie's
out of the changer and replace it with Parallels.
P.P.S. Now don't all you Fates fans start flaming me... I bought the
thing on release day... I've given it about 5 listens... it's growing on
me... I do like it, and I haven't listened to HitnF since I got APSoG...
:) I just don't know that it's ever going to impact me to the point
that the other Fates discs I have do.
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:18:30 -0400
From: Rick of York <Richard_Harris@brown.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Parents who are prog fans
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970423221830.006ab728@postoffice.brown.edu>
>>>>
<excerpt>i'd have to agree... but how about this? mid-summer, target
center in
minneapolis, queensryche concert, me and my dad! that's right, dad's a
rycher... very weird. that reminds me... i have to call home and see if
he's checked on tix yet...
latah,
id
</excerpt>
I got ya beat. My <bold>mom's</bold> a Queensryche fan. Been one for
years. When I was younger, she wouldn't let me go to the Empire show
with her. I couldn't turn her on to DT, though. She never really dug
the vox. Funny thing is, most parents complain that their children's
music is too heavy. My mom, on the other hand, thinks that much of my
music is "too folky" (Tori Amos, Duncan Sheik and Thanks to Gravity are
performers that I like alongside DT, Fates, QR, Rush, Yes) Oh well, can't
convince everyone to turn to the dark side.
outta here,
Super Ego
Last 5 CD's that graced my CD player
1. QR -- HitNF
2. DT -- Change of Seasons
3. Rush -- Hold Your Fire
4. Thanks to Gravity -- Slingshot
5. Duncan Sheik -- self-titled
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 21:49:02 -0500
From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: New dt disc!
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970424024902.006a6464@mail.inlink.com>
*disclaimer: those void of sense of humor omit this post from your reading
routine
hey all, i snuck into mike portnoys house this weekend with a tape recorder
and got something you'll all go crazy for! i'm releasing it on limited
edition cd! its going to be a 65 minute DT epic NEVER BEFORE HEARD!!!
tentatively titled "a change of underwear" LOOK OUT FATES WARNING!!
track one: lifting of the seat (:57)
track two: plop (2:35)
track three: indulgence (magazine paper sounds) (3:15)
track four: bowel movement mania in 65/13ths (42:13)
track five: soliloquoy (mike humming while waiting) (5:36)
track six: the groan (8:04)
track seven: relief (1:39)
track eight: the flush (3:20)
plus a ten minute bonus track of john myung singing in the shower (never
before heard!!!)
total running time approx. 75 minutes :)
place your order now! DO NOT MISS OUT!
~Rip
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:54:18 -0400
From: aeroguil <aeroguil@ibm.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: cancel
Message-ID: <335ECB5A.B0E@ibm.net>
cancel my subscription
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:02:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: charles alexander <chips@eden.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: pseudoprog
Message-ID: <199704240302.WAA12725@natasha.eden.com>
Hi
Can someone please enlighten me about Queensryche? I really don't see why
they should be mentioned in the same sentence as DT.
First let me say this - I was 12 when their first ep came out, and I loved
it. Still do. I also loved and still love Warning & Rage for Order. After
that, they lost me. Mindcrime was ok - in fact I was crazy about it when it
came out, and I saw them open for Metallica that year('89) and thought they
kicked ass. Now, though, 8 years later, I don't care if I ever hear it
again. Then Empire, then Promised Land, then this new one - all crap.
What am I missing?
I warn you - you're going to have a tough time justifying the likes of 'Jet
City Woman' & 'All I Want' - yeccch!
Thanks for your help in this,
Chip
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:16:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fates comment.
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.970423221047.8742A-100000@rossby>
Just to make all you who took FOREVER in finding the Fates' CD -->
I found it at the first store I looked in (Hastings in Norman, OK). They
had 1 copy, despite having advertised their new release!
How can any store order just one copy of ANY new CD?!?!
Oh well, I listened to it while going for a little nightime drive in the
country. Pretty good listening experience. I was kind of expecting a
little more persistent heaviness and rock to it, but I still like it
after 1 listen. Very much different than any other Fates, or any other
band for that matter.
What's up with that bell at the end of the song? Is it like a dream
ending and the alarm clock woke us up? Just curious of your comments.
Later,
Jon
P.S. - 40 RESPONSES in the top ten CD list of all time!! Great job
everyone. I'll take more requests through this weekend, but after
Sunday, I'm all done accepting lists, and will compile the overall list,
posting the tops on my home page, with a link to the ENTIRE ranking file.
CHEERS and happy CD listening!
e-mail to: jcase@rossby.ou.edu
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:18:25 -0700
From: Jeremy/John Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I am a real asshole
Message-ID: <335EFB31.40C1@nh.ultranet.com>
I just re-read the post I wrote last night. I wrote that I wish they
put the Silent Man on an album. I meant Eve. Eve is the song that I
wanted to know about.
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:50:08 -0500 (CDT)
From: Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: I must explore the genres
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970423224600.7603B-100000@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu>
Jon Parmet asked:
> I have a question for the ytseGurus. On the protective plastic sheathing
> of the Awake disc, there's a label which says:
>
> |-------------------------------------|
> | The original expanded consciousness |
> | version contains over 75 minutes of |
> | Dream Theater Music. The most music |
> | you'll ever get on one CD. |
> | Featuring |
> | LIE 6:00 CAUGHT IN A WEB |
> | and SCARRED |
> |-------------------------------------|
>
> Were there other, commercially released, versions of Awake? Is this disc
> worth $4,000? :)
Sorry, but I had the same sticker on my copy that I received nearly two
and a half years ago. And I still have it to this day :)
-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-
| ***Rob*** "If Balance is the key then maybe |
| rctaylor@uiuc.edu we'll see a future understanding" |
| -Queensryche |
-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:00:08 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Quake's Warning
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970423225518.22802A-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
You know, I was in the mood to play Quake today. I started up the game
with the second Mission Pak to try to defeat the demented minds of Rogue
Software, and completely forgot that a.) APSoG was in my CD-ROM drive, and
b.) Quake plays CD audio from any music CD in the CD-ROM drive.
The music is almost perfect! Somehow I ended up will all the dark tracks
for the levels, and the softer stuff was played between levels. You know,
maybe Fates Warning should talk to id Software and do the soundtrack for
Quake 2...
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
| Pat Griffin Reality2 Design |
| c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu |
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 16:37:14 +-200
From: "D. Schoen" <denis.schoen@tip.nl>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Tapesswap
Message-ID: <01BC5079.0135CFE0@utrecht55.pop.tip.nl>
Hello Jammerz,
Is there anyone who can help me finding the complete shows of Tilburg 16-04-97 and Bonn 19-04-97 ?
I've got Amsterdam 14-04-97 and Tilburg 15-04-97 for exhange (straight from DAT)
Please e-mail me privately !!!
Denis Schoen
Join The Official Dutch DT FC
Theater Of Dreams
Postbus 1957 2003 BP
Holland
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 00:58:21 -0400
From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <v01540b01af84967b2b0f@[128.197.9.56]>
>Oooooohhhhhhhh, you're in for a treat. Coolest thing I've ever been a part of!
>The solos are amazing, too - each guy takes one on his instrument, and they
>prove that KISS is much more than just good marketing.
Actually, the only really impressive solo is Ace's. He and Paul
are the two who make the most difference (I think). Gene's "solo" is just
his fake blood routine. It gets old after awhile. It's nice to see that
another Dream Theater fan admits to liking Kiss, but I wouldn't call it
"the coolest thing I've ever been a part of" (and I haven't been a part of
many cool things, either).
>Not too wierd, I saw the Eagles and (i doubt you'll believe this) Pink
>Floyd with my Dad (my first concert... Alot of the ones I have gone to
>since have paled in comparison...).
I think it's kind of funny that one of my favorite artists (until
fairly recently), Kiss, influenced one of my father's favorite artists,
Garth Brooks, when Brooks was a teenager. Kind of ironic. My father would
never go to a concert with me though. My mother and I are much closer in
interests.
>I think we should make it a requirement
>that a potential subscriber own at least three FW albums before they're
>allowed on this list.
Since when was this a Dream Theater and Fates Warning list? And do
you want to be the one to screen all of the "applicants" and current list
members who have less than three Fates Warning albums?
Did anybody else notice that Metal Blade misspelled "Dream Theater"
in the advertisements for the new Fates Warning CD? They shouldn't be
making errors of that kind. Maybe Sam Goody and Musicland have excuses,
but not Metal Blade.
Waiting to be kicked off the list because I only own _Chasing Time_,
Jeff Falk
Box 3208
700 Commonwealth Avenue
Boston, Massachusetts 02215
(617) 352-8639
jefffalk@bu.edu
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 01:09:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: pseudoprog
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970423010838.464A-100000@digital.dreamt.org>
On Wed, 23 Apr 1997, charles alexander wrote:
> again. Then Empire, then Promised Land, then this new one - all crap.
>
> What am I missing?
You're missing the fact that everyone likes different stuff.
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:14:45 PDT
From: "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Genesis lead singer
Message-ID: <199704240514.WAA05581@f41.hotmail.com>
Someone asked if Genesis had a new lead singer?
The answer is...YES!!!
The guy's name is Ray Wilson. According to Paperlate,(Genesis' version of
Ytsejam) they are currently working on their next album.
Hope this helps!
Complete with burning guitars, bashed up drum sets and sealed with a kiss,
Eric Paul LaRue
"Take hold of the flame.
Don't you see life's a game?
So take hold of the flame.
You've got nothing to lose, but everything to gain!"
Queensr˙che-"Take Hold of the Flame"
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6289
"We're on a mission from God."-Blues Brothers
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 00:28:00 -0500
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Jam
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970424052800.00a6c620@pop.enteract.com>
>From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
>>
>> You have to understand... most people that like listening to
>> shredding guitars, soaring melodies, complex drumming, and intricate
>> odd time signatures/polyrhythms are going to gravitate away from punk. I
>> really wil not entertain any arguments about how complex "Punk Band X"
>> is, or how "Jimmybob can play all of Petrucci's stuff in his sleep, but he
>> can't play Don't Speak, because that's the most diverse and intense
>> chord workout known to man."
>
>i find the last comment irrelevant. (when dont i?:) i posted the original
>post you're retorting in it, and my intentions were in no way to draw people
>to listen to the music, or arise arguements over it. it was simply to get
>people to open their teeny little prog minds up and realize the band at
>least has talent. it was not brought onto the floor to be argued over, and
>not in the least to be antagonized. i'd at least prefer you entertain the
>arguement as opposed to mocking it.
No, it's relevant. I'm exaggerating to make a point. My point is
that I don't believe that most people who want really complex, changing
music are going to listen to punk... not because they're unwilling to open
their minds and listen to a different form of music, but because to many of
them, it is experience that leads them to developing a taste for the more
obscure and complex. When the point was made, some days ago, that "Don't
Speak" is a song that can stump someone that can play everything that JP
plays in his sleep, I found the concept to be memorably ridiculous. I don't
base technical difficulty on what I like and don't like, so let me cut you
off before you or anyone else attempts to take that stance. I judge it from
understanding technique. My understanding leads me to believe that the
tempo and number of chord changes per measure in a song like "Don't Speak"
shouldn't pose a problem to someone who can flawlessly play TTT or UGM,
rhythms and leads. It's possible that you can focus only on guitar soloing
and be unable to handle chord changes, but then there's no way you'll play
most DT rhythms well.
Your intentions in your post that I refer to are what is irrelevant.
I'm not telling you that you DON'T know someone that can play everything
that JP plays, but CAN NOT play Don't Speak. I'm merely addressing a point
before it can be brought up (i.e. "Well, some punk is harder to play than
prog metal. What about Rip's friend that can play all of Petrucci's stuff
but can't play Don't Speak?").
I disagree with the belief that people who dislike certain kinds of
music are closed minded. I have listened to a lot of rap, and been exposed
to a great deal of country music. These genres rarely appeal to me in any
way, shape or form. Punk is similar, with a few exceptions. Every now and
then I hear a cool punk song (and I dig something about the tone of the No
Doubt chick's voice, though I could care less what she is saying, and am not
entertained by the overall musicality). I think that the amount of money
I've invested in the 400+ cds that i own speaks something of an open mind.
There aren't that many DT albums or Prog Metal albums of similar content.
Just because I dislike punk, doesn't mean that I'm cutting myself off. I
never signed any document saying that I will never hear something someday
that I'll like. The day just hasn't come where I've come into contact with
a lot of punk, rap, or country music that I find to be enjoyable. I have an
open mind... I just don't feel that I should have to compromise my tastes,
and listen to things that I don't enjoy, just to maintain that status. I do
not follow that path.
>you can view this post as a thrown gauntlet, but in all, thats how i viewed
>the aforequoted.
I apologize if I've offended you. It's simply something that stuck
out in my mind, and was a useful point to bring up in support of my
contention. The goal was not to smite you, but rather to bolster my own
point. It's good debate technique to presuppose that someone will take
issue with what you say, and thus, to cover all your bases before you speak.
That's all I was trying to do.
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener
A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come
from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG.
They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground
on which idea seeds fall."
- Michael Hedges
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