YTSEJAM Digest 2497
Today's Topics:
1) J.P guitar clinic
by "Anders F. H" <andersfh@algonet.se>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2494
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
3) Re: Should the new Fates be the first Fates?
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
4) Fates Warning Listening Guide
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2496
by Philip Kaplan <pjkaplan@mailbox.syr.edu>
6) please cancel my subscription
by WildKoba@aol.com
7) please cancel my subscription
by WildKoba@aol.com
8) please cancel my subscription
by WildKoba@aol.com
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2496
by jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling)
10) comments on APSOG...
by 2112 <belhai@drew.edu>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2495
by "Dan McCormack" <dmc@dreamt.org>
12) My APSoG purchasing experience
by dseeger@juno.com (Deborah J. Seeger)
13) its a sin to kill a mockingbird.
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 00:08:09 +0100
From: "Anders F. H" <andersfh@algonet.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: J.P guitar clinic
Message-ID: <335E9659.6951@algonet.se>
Hi all Ytse-jammers!
Just wanted to say that I saw J.P guitar clinic in Stockholm, Sweden
last night. He played some stuff from the upcomming album. It was just
awesome! I can tell you.... its going to be worth to wait for the new
album! He said that they were going into the studio in the beginning of
May and the album will be out in September(hopefully).
Cheers..
Anders
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- Mike Oldfield
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- Yes, Heart of the sunrise 1972
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:33:00 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2494
Message-ID: <199704232233.PAA19927@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Chris Ptacek said:
> I feel really left out now. It's 4/23/97, and I still haven't found the
>Fates CD. I'm gonna leave work and not come back till I find it! What's
>worse? If the picture under the tray is a magic eye, I'm gonna need some
>kind of scan/reproduction program to be able to see what the heck it is...
>I can't do magic eye! :(
Well, it's definitely not a magic eye picture.. and YOU SUCK CHRIS!!! HAHAHAH
Don't come back until you find the damn CD!!! We don't want you here, and
you claim to be a big Fates fan??? ;)
>
>a great sound out of anything with good speakers. What to look for
>speaker-wise: Celestion Greenbacks (25 Watt speakers) sound good, but if
>you play loud consistantly, (that is, if you play live shows, and don't
>mic your cabs, but make them do all of the work) you might want something
>stronger. In this case I'd go with Celestion Vintage 30's if you can
>afford them (I am told that these are actually 60 watt speakers). Recenly
>I've heard great things from Peavey Sheffield speakers, as in the 5150
If you plan to have speakers that LAST, forget the Celestions and get the
EV Black Shadows...
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:34:34 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Should the new Fates be the first Fates? Message-ID: <199704232234.PAA19953@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Jim Beavens said: >I hate to admit it, but I've never heard any Fates stuff. I do, however, >have every intention of picking up some of their CDs when I'm not so >strapped for cash (mortgage payments suck ;). In the past, the consensus >has seemed to be that one should start with Parallels. My question is, >is that still true? Or has APSoG surpassed that album as the definitive >first-time CD? > >Thanks for any insight... > >-- > Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> | If I had a witty remark that >MD6 Design Engineer, Intel Corp, Hillsboro OR | would better the lives of my > -=(UDIC)=- Subconscious Dragon -=(UDIC)=- | fellow mankind, do you really > ** I don't speak for Intel ** | think I would put it HERE? >
Actually, you should've bought Perfect Symmetry a long time ago... but hey, the new album is a good start!
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:46:51 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fates Warning Listening Guide Message-ID: <199704232246.PAA20050@gms.gmsnet.com>
This is something I used to post to the Jam every once in a while for new Fates listeners and potential Fates listeners.
************************************** * The Fates Warning Listening Guide * * by Dr. Mosh * * drkhoe@gmsnet.com * **************************************
So you've just bought Parallels by Fates Warning since you've heard all those guys on the mailing list and newsgroups talk about Fates Warning. You've never actually heard any Fates but you listen to plenty of Dream Theater and Rush.
You rush home to hear the CD, put it on, hit the play button, you don't hear anything too exciting, you think, it'll get better! You listen to the whole album and on the whole you weren't too impressed. You think to yourself, "Those guys are all smoking something if they think this is good stuff". So you opt to sell it or give it to a friend since it wasn't that great.
Ah, my dear friend, perhaps you haven't given it a chance!
Welcome to the Listening Guide. This guide will hopefully get you on your way to becoming one of the few but dedicated Fates Warning fans.
Let's start off by answering a few questions.
1. Is Fates Warning like Dream Theater?
Yes and no. They definitely have their own progressive style. Some of the textures of their songs are the same but Fates Warning is generally thought of to be a darker more brooding band, sometimes bordering on depressive.
2. What album should I start with if I listen to a lot of Dream Theater with lots of time changes and such?
For those who love the cutting edge progressive, get the new album, A Pleasant Shade of Gray with Kevin Moore on keyboards. Perfect Symmetry is a good substitute which also has Kevin Moore on keys.
3. What are their earlier albums like?
Night on Brocken is more of a Maidenish type sound while Spectre Within they begin to break into the new mold. Spectre Within and Awaken the Guardian are more towards metal with progressive tendencies.
4. Why the change from Awaken the Guardian to No Exit?
They replaced singer John Arch with Ray Alder and thus their style began to change. The change from No Exit to Parallels is because of Mark Zonder adding his influence to the music.
5. So how come I don't like Parallels?
In my opinion, Parallels is one of the greatest CD's made by any band. It's not the in your face time changes that are astounding, but as one person put it, it's a musician's music. The way the instruments blend and contrast, the way the songs are arranged, the very minor key changes.
6. Which album is the most progressive?
Many have argued this question but a large percentage will tell you Perfect Symmetry is, but with A Pleasant Shade of Gray released, this is most definitely the most progressive album out by any band in existence.
Some facts:
* The current members are: Jim Matheos - Guitar Joey Vera - Bass Ray Alder - Vocals Mark Zonders - Drums Kevin Moore plays keys on APSoG and PS
* The albums: Night on Brocken Spectre Within Awaken the Guardian No Exit Perfect Symmetry Parallels Inside Out Chasing Time A Pleasant Shade of Gray
* Current record label: Metal Blade * Where they hail from: New Haven, CT
Where you can get more info about Fates Warning:
http://www.gmsnet.com/progmetal
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 18:53:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Philip Kaplan <pjkaplan@mailbox.syr.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2496 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970423185049.10313A-100000@forbin.syr.edu>
> Date: 23 Apr 97 11:01:23 -0700 > From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com> > To: ytsejam@ax.com > Subject: New DT album > Message-ID: <199704231825.LAA23805@mailseq4.us.oracle.com> > > Jammerz- > > Remember when Mike Bahr mentioned that the new album would be nothing like we > think it will? Well, combine that comment with the proposed 60-minute album > (leaving some extra space) and what do you get...? DT multimedia.. think > about it.. > > cheers, > -Neil.
Interesting thought. The brand new Obituary CD has about 40 minutes of music on it (as usual), but three (3!) full-length videos on it, and a bunch of other cool shit (tour pictures, home-video footage, etc).
-Phil
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 19:14:42 -0400 (EDT) From: WildKoba@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: please cancel my subscription Message-ID: <970423191225_-1802660678@emout07.mail.aol.com>
.......your mother.
so i get back from passover break (happy passover to all those applicable), and thought i'd chip in about some stuff i've read.
regarding to of my favorite people (in bed, sometimes) zappa and o-+>.......as many others have said, i think they are phenomenal, and yes, geniuses. especially when they both pick up guitars- it sounds like the rape of cattle. then again, i always digged cattle, for their LEATHER....
um... i'm not sure if this was discussed, but is there any dates for fates in (i'm afraid of) amerika? and will mr. testes-less-and-hairless-piano-wonder-bitch be joining them (btw, i still haven't found the new fw yet- what's up?)
can someone humor me as to who is (un)officially producing the new albums by our protagonists?
thank you. that is all i wish to say.
P-FUNK IN 4 DAYS! ya=fuckin-hoo!!!! dig?
ytsegoon (a certified panty-sniffer) ********************************************************************** david yoichi kobayashi binghamton university bd91014@binghamton.edu
"i bring truth and understanding, i bring wit and wisdom fair. precious gifts beyond compare." -n. peart
"...i held with all my might- fearing my deepest fright, she walked into the night. she turned for one last look- she looked me in the eye. i said 'i love you...goodbye.'" -m. portnoy **********************************************************************
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 19:14:51 -0400 (EDT) From: WildKoba@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: please cancel my subscription Message-ID: <970423191356_1254165691@emout03.mail.aol.com>
.......your mother.
so i get back from passover break (happy passover to all those applicable), and thought i'd chip in about some stuff i've read.
regarding to of my favorite people (in bed, sometimes) zappa and o-+>.......as many others have said, i think they are phenomenal, and yes, geniuses. especially when they both pick up guitars- it sounds like the rape of cattle. then again, i always digged cattle, for their LEATHER....
um... i'm not sure if this was discussed, but is there any dates for fates in (i'm afraid of) amerika? and will mr. testes-less-and-hairless-piano-wonder-bitch be joining them (btw, i still haven't found the new fw yet- what's up?)
can someone humor me as to who is (un)officially producing the new albums by our protagonists?
thank you. that is all i wish to say.
P-FUNK IN 4 DAYS! ya=fuckin-hoo!!!! dig?
ytsegoon (a certified panty-sniffer) ********************************************************************** david yoichi kobayashi binghamton university bd91014@binghamton.edu
"i bring truth and understanding, i bring wit and wisdom fair. precious gifts beyond compare." -n. peart
"...i held with all my might- fearing my deepest fright, she walked into the night. she turned for one last look- she looked me in the eye. i said 'i love you...goodbye.'" -m. portnoy **********************************************************************
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 19:15:55 -0400 (EDT) From: WildKoba@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: please cancel my subscription Message-ID: <970423191526_152818365@emout06.mail.aol.com>
.......your mother.
so i get back from passover break (happy passover to all those applicable), and thought i'd chip in about some stuff i've read.
regarding to of my favorite people (in bed, sometimes) zappa and o-+>.......as many others have said, i think they are phenomenal, and yes, geniuses. especially when they both pick up guitars- it sounds like the rape of cattle. then again, i always digged cattle, for their LEATHER....
um... i'm not sure if this was discussed, but is there any dates for fates in (i'm afraid of) amerika? and will mr. testes-less-and-hairless-piano-wonder-bitch be joining them (btw, i still haven't found the new fw yet- what's up?)
can someone humor me as to who is (un)officially producing the new albums by our protagonists?
thank you. that is all i wish to say.
P-FUNK IN 4 DAYS! ya=fuckin-hoo!!!! dig?
ytsegoon (a certified panty-sniffer) ********************************************************************** david yoichi kobayashi binghamton university bd91014@binghamton.edu
"i bring truth and understanding, i bring wit and wisdom fair. precious gifts beyond compare." -n. peart
"...i held with all my might- fearing my deepest fright, she walked into the night. she turned for one last look- she looked me in the eye. i said 'i love you...goodbye.'" -m. portnoy **********************************************************************
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 16:38:53 -0700 From: jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2496 Message-ID: <v02130502af844c1b550d@[128.32.100.59]>
" Add the Moody Blues to the extended list of the concerts I will be attending this summer. I'll be the 22 year old guy in the Megadeth t-shirt sitting with his 58 year old dad. No, I'm not kidding. We go every year. It's odd when you share a taste in music with someone thirty-five years your senior. It's even more odd when he's your father..."
Not too wierd, I saw the Eagles and (i doubt you'll believe this) Pink Floyd with my Dad (my first concert... Alot of the ones I have gone to since have paled in comparison...). Nothing too crazy about sharing musical tastes with someone 35 years older, or your father. Now I think it was a trip if your dad listened to DT, damn that would be cool, since then he might pay your way to go see them in the East (I'm from the left coast, the best coast!)
-Shane
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 19:46:15 -0500 (EST) From: 2112 <belhai@drew.edu> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: comments on APSOG... Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.970423194013.711560528C-100000@drew.edu>
OK...more thoughts.
Am I the only one who doesn't think this song is just ONE SONG? It just seems like a concept album to me. I would've considereed it one song had there only been one track on the CD.
I just love pt. 1!!! First time I heard it, I got chills after hearing Ray's voice. Thought he sounded very "religious." Can't explain it. But the opening vocals by Ray conveyed something very heavenly.
Pts. 6 and 12 will probably be my favs after listening to it many more times.
Also, based on the packaging, I know view the songs as "gray" when I hear the songs. I don't know. Just dark and gloomy. If this was the purpose of fates, then they were successful. Another thing I loved about this CD is that it just sounded original. When I bought QR's HITNF, none of it sounded original. Now of course I lvoe that album. But for APSOG, it just sonded like something I had never heard before. And that's what I expect from a new CD.
Don't know what else to say...it just kicks ass!
Brandon
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 17:51:49 -0500 From: "Dan McCormack" <dmc@dreamt.org> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2495 Message-ID: <199704240024.UAA09132@mail.caribe.net>
> From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2494 >=20 > You have to understand... most people that like listening to > shredding guitars, soaring melodies, complex drumming, and intricate = odd > time signatures/polyrhythms are going to gravitate away from punk. I > really wil not entertain any arguments about how complex "Punk Band X" = is, > or how "Jimmybob can play all of Petrucci's stuff in his sleep, but he > can't play Don't Speak, because that's the most diverse and intense = chord > workout known to man." =20
True. It's just too bad that most prog fans don't give it a chance and = find out why some people like it before dissing it. At least, that's = what I did :) For years i told my punk friends that their music sucked, = based on the fact that none contained anything but power chords on = guitar, and not many of those, at that. But then I got off my pedestal = and actually listened to a tape of theirs, and, although the music WAS = easy to play, I realized that music isn't always the focus. The music is = definitely not a sort of 'background noise' or whatever; they put = thought into it, and some of the progressions I hear are ones that I = wouldn't think of, but the main focus is the lyrics. (Sorry if you = already know this, but I didn't and a message like this would probably = have enlightened me :)
> It's cool to listen to whatever hits your ear in a positive way, > whether that's rap, country, punk, or metal. I think, however, that = some > people have sticks up their asses when it comes to "This album sucks". > That's a natural response, and slang for "I don't like it"... not = saying > "There is no redeemimng quality that any human being can find in this > music". I don't want to live in a society where I HAVE to give a = complex
True, I had thought of that but never actually put it into words.
> review of everything I dislike, just to have the permission not to = like > it. > The only time this is an issue, is when an artist is just scraping > by. You can really hurt someone financially by telling their entire = fan > base that they suck. All that's required to avoid this is to tag in = "But > don't take my word for it... make up your own mind" or something to = that > effect. Sadly, there are many followers out there who will not listen = to > something if someone they respect says it sucks.
>=20 > > Why is open-mindedness reserved for technically challenging music?=20 > It isn't, and never has been. >=20 > > Why is music that doesn't take God (or John Petrucci, =3D > > same difference :) to play automatically crap? > No one has made this case. I think you're exaggerating your > point.
Yeah, maybe you're right. But still, many the jammers I've met gave me = the impression that they assume that easy music =3D crappy music.
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Dan McCormack (TheCowGod) (__) dmc@dreamt.org (oo) http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/ \/-------\ http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/fuerza/ || | \ http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/tcg/ ||---w|| * Everything I said above is based solely ^^ ^^ on my own opinions
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 20:30:03 EDT From: dseeger@juno.com (Deborah J. Seeger) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: My APSoG purchasing experience Message-ID: <19970423.192909.5055.9.DSeeger@juno.com>
This CD kicks ass!! It was even worth driving around for what seemed like hours, checking four stores to see if they had it. I like the fact that they used more keyboards than they have in the past, but Mr. Moore made some parts sound a little too much like DT. But this might be the best change FW has made between albums in years. I can even forgive the fact that there was some crappy malternitive-type, overly-compressed distortion effect on Ray's voice in part two. Hello? I don't see Trent Reznor's name on this CD anywhere, do you? Someone help me try to comprehend this - how can one be all psycho over DT, but either not like FW or think they're "just OK?" I think we should make it a requirement that a potential subscriber own at least three FW albums before they're allowed on this list.
It's a damn shame so many people are having problems finding APSoG. We must stop Metal Blade from promoting bands like the Goo-Goo Dolls and make them put more effort into Fates, who were probably their first cash cow anyway. Do I smell petition potential? Debbie Seeger DSeeger@juno.com
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 19:42:15 -0500 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: its a sin to kill a mockingbird. Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970424004215.00677a58@mail.inlink.com>
> > You have to understand... most people that like listening to > shredding guitars, soaring melodies, complex drumming, and intricate > odd time signatures/polyrhythms are going to gravitate away from punk. I > really wil not entertain any arguments about how complex "Punk Band X" > is, or how "Jimmybob can play all of Petrucci's stuff in his sleep, but he > can't play Don't Speak, because that's the most diverse and intense > chord workout known to man."
i find the last comment irrelevant. (when dont i?:) i posted the original post you're retorting in it, and my intentions were in no way to draw people to listen to the music, or arise arguements over it. it was simply to get people to open their teeny little prog minds up and realize the band at least has talent. it was not brought onto the floor to be argued over, and not in the least to be antagonized. i'd at least prefer you entertain the arguement as opposed to mocking it. you can view this post as a thrown gauntlet, but in all, thats how i viewed the aforequoted. ~Rip
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