YTSEJAM Digest 2419
Today's Topics:
1) ABC?
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
2) for sale ndt
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
3) Warrior Soul ...
by J <breuric@tpgi.com.au>
4) Fates Warning Europe Tour
by ANDREAS GRIESSING <AGRIESS@nf.fh-nuernberg.de>
5) HitNF Charting...
by Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
6) Re: More Angra
by Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
7) Bach
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
8) James on Victor II
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
9) Lots of stuff....
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
10) Re: HitNF Charting...
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
11) Re: Bach
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2417
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
13) Re: Prog magazines
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
14) Pissed
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
15) Lacking lyrics
by "A.R. Bell" <salyavin@ames.net>
16) Bombay Vindaloo/SDV
by Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2416
by Symbolic66@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 07:00:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ABC?
Message-ID: <199704031200.HAA04129@umbc9.umbc.edu>
> Finally, I'd been meaning to ask for a while, but does anyone have the ENTIRE
> Queensryche Unplugged show on audio or video they'd like to trade? I read
> that in addition to the tracks showed on MTV, they also played Scarborough
> Fair, Anybody Listening, and Rockin' In the Free World!!! There may have
> been others, but that's all I can remember.
I heard that they tried to do "Anybody Listening?" due to the audience
continuously yelling out the title of the song, but it didn't work out
too well, so they kind of just stopped.
> > > I heard that Geoff Tate is supposed to appear on Politically
> > > Incorrect, this Friday April 4th.
> >
> > Cool! Hey, Jason--tape this! I don't get that channel! :)
>
> Um, Steve, this is ABC. Don't tell me *you* live in Vermont, too! :)
No, not Vermont. I live in a little town called Armpit, Mary--I mean
Arnold, Maryland. :) Down here, I believe Politically Incorrect is only
aired on Comedy Central. :/
Steve Z
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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 04:01:02 -0800
From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: for sale ndt
Message-ID: <199704031201.EAA00176@ms.kallback.com>
Anathema-Eternity $8
The Gathering--Always $6
Lethal-Maza $6
Therion-Lepaca Kliffoth $6
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 22:34:26 +1000 (EST)
From: J <breuric@tpgi.com.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Warrior Soul ...
Message-ID: <199704031234.WAA23596@random.tpgi.com.au>
Warrior Soul definately not prog . but WAY more than lame LA Guns. Warrior
Soul are one of my fav bands ever since Last Decade Dead Century ..... Go
back and have a proper listen ..... if you have interests in anything beyond
progressive metal you WILL NOT BE DISAPOINTED!
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:43:10 GMT+1
From: ANDREAS GRIESSING <AGRIESS@nf.fh-nuernberg.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fates Warning Europe Tour
Message-ID: <1C8B7D21B6D@nf-soft.nf.fh-nuernberg.de>
Hi all,
a few days I heard about the fact Fates Warning are going to tour in
Europe.
My question is, does anybody know if Kevin Moore will be on bord?
And do they have a support band ?
By the way - has Dream Theater a support band while touring in the
next weeks ?
Thanks for your efforts
Bye
Andi
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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 08:42:39 -0800
From: Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: HitNF Charting...
Message-ID: <199704031341.AA21837@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello,
Just for those who care: Queensryche debuted at 18 on the album
chart and Sign of the Times is checking in at #6 on Mainstream Rock
Tracks.
And Collective Soul dropped out of the Top 20 albums from #17
last week, but Precious Declaration is the #1 Mainstream Rock Track.
Good to see to good bands getting at least a degree of commercial
success. But QR at #18? It debuted at #1 accoring to Rolling Stone last
time! (Don't have a Billboard report) Where's the support? Or are all you
guys protesting their change in sound?
Andrew
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 23:38:15 +0900
From: Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: More Angra
Message-ID: <199704031438.XAA32162@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp>
At 14:54 1997.4.2 -0800, Rick Audet wrote:
>Okay, so I'm at Knights of the Round looking at what they have by Angra, and
>here's what I see:
>
>Angra Angels Cry $21.99
>Angra Evil Warning (Japanese) $18.99
>Angra Freedom Call (German Version) $19.99
>Angra Freedom Call (Jap) $48.99 <--------- Ouch!
>Angra Holy Land $22.99
>Angra Holy Land (2 CD Germany) $30.99
>Angra Holy Land + 1 (Jap Import) $27.99
>
>Here's the issue: Evil Warning? What's that? Opinions on it's likeability?
>Also, WTF is up with the price on that Japanese Freedom Call CD? Holy Shit!
>Anyone know if there's a difference b/w the two Freedom Call versions? I
>have a feeling their prices are about as low as they get for this kind of
>stuff.
Alright!
I can say something for ya.
About their 1st album, they had just one record deal at first,I mean their
only contract was with JVC-Victor (Japan) and released their first album.
After almost 1 years later,they could deal with European record co. So they
decided to remix some songs from their 1st album for Euro market. So this
is the difference. And e.p. "Evil Warning" is 4 track e.p. including all
remixed songs and edit version of Wurthering Hights (s.p?) for Japanese
fans. Original version of this e.p. was packaged with Tee-shirts (album
cover artwork).
About "Freedom Call" Jpn-version. As you might thought,this e.p. is
packaged with Tee. So much expensive priced one.
Take Care.
-Keiji Nishihara
Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp
tq0139@mail.doshisha.ac.jp
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:53:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Bach
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970403095114.20560A-100000@bdmserver>
Steve Z wrote:
>I wish this was a joke, but I know it's not. I can't decide which is
>funnier: the fact that all Bas's posturing about his "opera training" has
>convinced some people that he is good, or the fact that he believes he is
>good himself.
>
>I hope no one is actually considering this.
>
>rolling my eyes,
I dont know where you are coming from here, but in my opinion as well as
a lot of others is that Sebastian Bach has one of the best voices in the
business.
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| Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
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| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:55:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: James on Victor II
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970403095349.20560B@bdmserver>
ZAch wrote:
>What is this? Did I miss this in skipping a few 'jams like
>I have been? I know he joked about it in the latest DTIFC
>update, but was he really serious?
That is what I am trying to figure out. Why would he say he is doing it
in the first place? Why joke about it? The interviewer could have had him
elaborate on the subject but why didn't he?
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| Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
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| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:55:36 -0500 (EST)
From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Lots of stuff....
Message-ID: <199704031455.JAA12637@umbc10.umbc.edu>
I believe it's Alta Mira, not Alta Myra. I've bought tons of
stuff from them. They are a great company.
---> > I heard that Geoff Tate is supposed to appear on Politically > > Incorrect, this Friday April 4th. > > Cool! Hey, Jason--tape this! I don't get that channel! :)
Actually, the taping of the show is April 4th. Nobody knows when the show will actually air on TV, yet. I'll still be taping it though. :)
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Does anyone know where I can get some more new FW sound clips? I got the 60sec Real Audio file that someone (Dr. Mosh I think?) mention a few jams ago.
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The subject came up a few weeks ago but I never jumped in. Yes, I WAS lucky enough to meet Mike and Chris from Qryche at the Record and Tape Traders in Towson a few weeks ago. My friend and I got there around 11am and had about 20 people ahead of us. They were giving out all kinds of cool free stuff - giant album flats, nice sized stickers etc. You could also buy the album insert ahead of time and it was signed by all 5 members! Cool!!! (I wasn't able to get Scott's autograph 2 summers when they played a softball game against the guys from 98 Rock - he was down in DC watching tennis. What a pansy. :) )
The band showed up almost an hour late, alot closer to 2pm. They got lost or someshit. By that time, there were several hundred people behind us - possibly a 1000?? Does anyone know if they guys stayed later than 3pm? They were only supposed to be there from 1pm-3 but since they showed up an hour late, i would hope that they would stay an extra hour and not turn the fans away.
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I FINALLY got my hands on the Superior album!! I decide that I was tired of waiting for Dream Disc to ship it to me. I ordered it on December 9th and it STILL hasn't shown up yet. I checked with the guys at Knights of the Round and they told me it was in stock so I ordered it from them and had it in my hands less than a week later. I didn't cancel my order from Dream Disc though. I'm just gonna wait and see if it ever shows up. I'll keep ya posted.
The album rokz nadz!!!! It's like Images & Words with special guests Yanni and Dimebag! Great job Bernd!!! I LOVE the begining of "Why" where the uptempo piano part starts and the kick-ass guitar riff comes in over top of it. WOW!!
Are there any other albums available from these guys?
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Does anyone know when the pictures of the "Fix" t-shirts will be added to the web site?
-- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:30:58 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: HitNF Charting... Message-ID: <199704031530.HAA03056@odin.ax.com>
> Good to see to good bands getting at least a degree of commercial > success. But QR at #18? It debuted at #1 accoring to Rolling Stone last > time! (Don't have a Billboard report) Where's the support? Or are all you > guys protesting their change in sound? >
I think a major reason that PL opened so well is that they had decent airplay with I Am I, and people knew it was out there. I personally haven't heard Sign of the Times (which I'm pretty sure is the first single) anywhere, so that might be a major reason.....plus no "Bridge" either, but I don't know if that single was released before the album came out....
-Al
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:36:59 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Bach Message-ID: <199704031536.HAA03092@odin.ax.com>
> > Steve Z wrote: > > >I wish this was a joke, but I know it's not. I can't decide which is > >funnier: the fact that all Bas's posturing about his "opera training" has > >convinced some people that he is good, or the fact that he believes he is > >good himself. > > > >I hope no one is actually considering this. > > > >rolling my eyes, > > I dont know where you are coming from here, but in my opinion as well as > a lot of others is that Sebastian Bach has one of the best voices in the > business. >
I whole-heartedly agree with this (even though Pat wrote it :P) Sebastian Bach is vocally trained for 10+ years, and he has a WIDE range of vocal ability - his work on "Jacob's Ladder" on the WM tribute is great, and his voice has something that a lot of other vocalists can't really pull off cleanly, and that's a clear sound (when he wants) that is so powerful that it just kicks your ass....he's definitely one of the consummate rock vocalists out there, and not only is this my HO, but it's pretty much a widespread fact in the biz (just look at how many tribute albums he's doing out there right now...)
-Al
-- @#%^$#%^#$&#%%$&#$%^#$%^#$%&#$%^&#$%^&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%^&%$ | | | See me gone and persevere.... | | Condescending when you label me Judas.... | | | #$%^#%&#%^$*%&*^&*%&(%^&(%^&*(%^&*(*%^&*$^&*#^%&#^*$%^&*#%^&*#$%& | Al Balkiewicz SEND MAIL HERE -->balkiewi @ njmsa.umdnj.edu | | OR HERE! --->DA_PROF @ BIGFOOT.COM | %@#$^@#$^@^%%$&#$&^*$%&*$&*$%^$&$%^&$%^*$^%&*$%^&*$%^*$%^&%$^&%$%
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:02:08 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2417 Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970403093238.1953A-100000@enteract.com>
> This wouldn't be fair! Since I'd win it every month no one else would > even get a chance.
Hehehe I think I could give you a run for your money. :)
> From: "Jim Munster" <freakboy@ptd.net> > Subject: Music for the Mind
> Are there any people besides myself who are SICK and TIRED of the bullshit > music business, and the state of music right now?? I'm a musician myself > who can't help but get loud that today's impressionable youth are stuck > hearing crap like Marilyn Manson and Oasis and bullshit dance music. And > the scary thing is...they like this Mtv spoon-fed garbage.
This is an issue that you have to see from other perspectives as well. You are in a band... you are a musician. Thus, you are in a minority group in the vast community of music listeners. You hear things differently... like "Wow! That riff kicks ass! How'd he get his alternate picking so clean?!? I've never heard a fretless solo that sounded so perfect! That drummer had a three part polyrhythm going on at once with the keyboardist's minor arpeggio melody!" That's not how it works for everyone though. Some people like DT, and some people like Iron Maiden, and then there are people who don't care. Some people don't seek out new music for themselves. It's been this way since before MTV. The reason MTV spoon feeds people music (from the viewer's perspective) is that it's so convenient. If you're inundated with the same music over and over again, you begin to grow accustomed to it.
> We need to do something about this.
Try anything you like. The only thing we really can do is show our friends and loved ones the music we find to be superior, and hope that they can see the virtuousity shine through as clearly as we can. There is no way to influence MTV, unless you can pay more than their sponsors. Petitions have tried and failed to get more variety on MTV... they don't want anything but money, and there's nothing wrong with that... it IS a business, after all. As far as MTV is concerned, we'll probably be forced to wait until the trend turns our way once more.
> >Someone has the .sig of JP saying that it occurred to him one day that he > >ought to not make sandwiches all his life (something like that) > > What's the story behind this?
In, I believe, a Guitar World, before they went to shit, there was a short article about DT. This was before Awake... I think it was in 93. Basically, JP was talking about how he was trying to make ends meet by working at a deli, when he realized "Hey, I know how to play guitar... why not teach?" and from then on, he focused on teaching guitar and playing music. Sort of "Saw the Light" if you will. :) - Chris
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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 97 09:08:27 PST8 From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Prog magazines Message-ID: <9703038600.AA860084258@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
> speaking of which, you guys should really subscribe to progression. it's >got the latest info on tons of progressive rock bands. it comes out >quaterly (and hey, with this issue it came with a promo john wetton/geoff >downes cd.) >Also, Expose is another good magazine. I like Expose better because the >reviews are more verbose, and each issue is jam packed with reviews on the >most obscure prog releases. Could some someone post and/or send me the subscription info for these two magzines? I am sure I'll have no luck finding them anywhere in this town... Thanks, ~Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ) Email: mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com / mkizer@goodnet.com / fugazi@weirdness.com URL: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer Dream Theater Song Book -^- Fates Warning Island in the Stream
*** New Fates Warning on April 22! ***
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 97 11:54 EST From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Pissed Message-ID: <m0wCpmC-000AxHC@xcalibur.iinc.com>
Ya know what- fuck the goddamn RIAA for busting all these bootlegging companies- pardon my language, please. These bootlegs put more money in the mouths of recording artists than is being taken away. Lets put it this way- I've spent over 300 dollars on Savatage merchandise including imports, every studio album, t-shirts, etc. and I own one Savatage bootleg- Mentally Yours. I don't see what the big deal is if you are an avid collector of the band and buy everything you can or most everything before getting bootlegs. The most I would've bought is two or three more Savatage bootlegs and for every bootleg I have, I pay twice as much for the bands merchandise. Same goes for the Dream Theater boots I own, the Paradise Lost one I own, the Seven Mary Three one I own and the Queensryche one I should own if Tunnel Records don't rip me off. Okay, sorry, had to vent!! (By the way, I'm not looking to start a flame war because of this- I just needed to get all this off my chest).
As for Dream Theater going rap, imagine all the homies in Dream Theater with all the rap clothes on..Pull me under, pull me under, biatch, I'm not afraid cuz I live in the ghetto with my homies and my fellas..
Don
mcauburn@iinc.com soulmadness@hotmail.com (for people sending pics, sound files, etc.)
Warrior Soul Homepage (now featuring a Whats New section, a review with more to come, liner notes, lyrics, and info on rare CD singles)
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784/
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:59:55 -0600 From: "A.R. Bell" <salyavin@ames.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Lacking lyrics Message-ID: <199704031656.KAA06071@brain.ames.net>
Hey all...
Well, I know this thread is kinda dead, but I was listening to 'The Graveyard' by King Diamond the other day, and came across some lyrics that need to be shared. (Obviously, the character speaking has just been decapitated.)
"The view is so very strange, so strange from here/Facing the floor is hard, when you're nothing but a ball/...I'm just a head on the floor/My body is over there, but I am still right here..."
Hmmm...
Later... Aaron salyavin@ames.net
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:15:09 -0600 (CST) From: Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Bombay Vindaloo/SDV Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970403110822.10002B-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu>
In response, Bombay Vindaloo was, in fact on a Guitar for the Practicing Musician vol.?? I discovered this on that one Muze machine they have at all Best Buy locations.
I tried to hear that noise on SDV, but I just couldn't do it. I thought I had pretty good hearing, too :( Well, maybe it's good so as not to distract me or something. Yeah, that's it!
BTW, does anyone know the name of the Stratovarius bonus track on Episode? Never got a reply last time I asked. Is it something like "When the Night Meets the Day"? hehehe - When Dream and Day Unite :)
***Rob*** rctaylor@uiuc.edu
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:06:15 -0500 (EST) From: Symbolic66@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2416 Message-ID: <970403130558_417014010@emout14.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-04-02 23:46:02 EST, you write:
<< we have bass, guitar and drums instructional videos from DT..NO vocals..James, what are you waiting for. We need vocals to make a complete set.. >>
dont forget keyboards my good man... i dont play em but id still love to see some dt keys in slow mow! hehe or something like that...
brian (symbolic) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/5578/home.htm
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