YTSEJAM Digest 2420
Today's Topics:
1) HitNF Question
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
2) Opinions on some recent threads-NDTC
by Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
3) In defense of Van Halen (NDTC)
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2419
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
5) Petition
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
6) Stratovarius Bonus Track, NDTC
by Joost Winter <jooft@dra.nl>
7) Yes and Bass Player type thangs.
by Jeremy Hyde <tempus@alliance.net>
8) Re: Music for the Mind
by "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
9) Re: Surrounded in 9/8 or 5/4
by "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
10) High frequency in SDV
by Peter Geerts <peter@wina.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
11) Re: Story albums/Rush on VH1!!! /DT ~= Rock/
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
12) When will I see them live ?
by Jon Veal <jon@veal.demon.co.uk>
13) Re: HitNF Charting...
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
14) zpolitically Incorrect
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
15) My Warrior Soul Comments (NDTC)
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:18:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: HitNF Question
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970403132140.27875f62@access.mountain.net>
Can somebody tell me if the new Queensryche album is a concept album? It
surprisingly popped up in the WVU paper this morning, with a question as to
whether it was or not, so I thought I'd help the guy out.
Thanks for the info,
Jonathan Byrne, 1L; WVU Collge of Law
rael@access.mountain.net (WormWood or DrNick on IRC)
Album Reviews, Race Results, Commentary, and More at
http://access.mountain.net/~rael/home.htm
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"Life's far too simple for our lives to be complex
We take things like God, love, and life
And pile them in our human mess."
-Brett Kull, "Suffocating the Bloom", echolyn
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:17:44 -0600
From: Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Opinions on some recent threads-NDTC
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=GE%l=AMERIDATA/ADNC/001C61BE@msb01ncadctmsge.ameridata.com>
..On inane lyrics...if you think that the non-english-as-a-first-language
bands have inane lyrics, try listening to the Ban Valen lyrics, especially
on the earlier albums. Some of later lyrics from the Sammy era begin to
range beyond a dim lightbulb.
..On Gary Cherone...HE IS TOO GOOD for Ban Valen. To the present, they
have never matched the intelligence & morality of GC; perhaps that's why
the rumors fly that GC will NOT be the new front man for VH. Plus the fact
that GC is probably unwilling to stoop to VH's lower standards. I don't
think VH could ever match the EXTREME musical range, "More than Words" to
"Rest in Peace".
Contemplating these facts, I can say with assurance why I find VH to really
be a mediocre band: their lyrics suck, and so does most of the music (Why
do they need to do so many covers??). EVH is a very good guitarist. He'd
just be better doing it with someone & somewhere else.
-Randall
email: Randall.Braun@gecits.ge.com
**"I'm looking California and feeling Minnesota" from "Outshined" by
Soundgarden**
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:14:56 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: In defense of Van Halen (NDTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970403135753.10825A-100000@digital.dreamt.org>
On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Randall Braun wrote:
> ..On inane lyrics...if you think that the non-english-as-a-first-language
> bands have inane lyrics, try listening to the Ban Valen lyrics, especially
> on the earlier albums. Some of later lyrics from the Sammy era begin to
> range beyond a dim lightbulb.
No argument. (Even though you gotta love Women in Love: "Honey if you're
needin' a woman just as bad as me, you oughta be goin'.")
> ..On Gary Cherone...HE IS TOO GOOD for Ban Valen. To the present, they
> have never matched the intelligence & morality of GC; perhaps that's why
> the rumors fly that GC will NOT be the new front man for VH. Plus the fact
> that GC is probably unwilling to stoop to VH's lower standards. I don't
> think VH could ever match the EXTREME musical range, "More than Words" to
> "Rest in Peace".
OK, whoa, time out. Van Halen has never wanted to be anything but what
they have been. VH is a party band. Big fat grooves, kickin' guitar
work, songs that anyone can sing along to, music that you can't sit still
listening to. "Intelligence & morality" was never something VH aspired
to, ever.
Is this a lower standard? No, just a different one. Extreme's lyrics
were more... personal to Extreme. Dave and Sammy's lyrics were about
having fun, getting laid, getting drunk, going to parties, etc.
Different, obviously, but not better or worse.
(And remember who copied who.)
> Contemplating these facts, I can say with assurance why I find VH to really
> be a mediocre band: their lyrics suck, and so does most of the music (Why
> do they need to do so many covers??).
Now I have *no* idea what you're talking about. VH's music couldn't
possibly suck. Eddie has been the single most influential rock guitarist
of the past 20 years. All of the 80's guitar heroes (like Nuno) were/are
doing shit that Ed either invented or popularized. Hell, the reason I'm a
musician now is because I saw VH live once and said, "Yeah, I want to do
that."
As for covers: huh? If you're talking about the album "Diver Down," that
was DLR's idea. If you're talking about concerts, yeah, they've done some
Zep covers, a Stevie Wonder cover, some others, as tribute to their
influences. Don't tell me you've never played a cover tune.
> EVH is a very good guitarist. He'd
> just be better doing it with someone & somewhere else.
That's a whole other conversation. My gut instinct says he wouldn't,
because he's been playing with Al his whole life and Mike for going on 25
years.
Extreme vs. VH is an unfair comparison. They're different bands. That
being said, I can't wait to see what Gary adds to the band. I'm looking
forward to "Mach III" as much as I'm looking forward to the new DT and
Fates.
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:19:29 -0600 (CST)
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2419
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970403130849.2350A-100000@enteract.com>
> No, not Vermont. I live in a little town called Armpit, Mary--I mean
> Arnold, Maryland. :) Down here, I believe Politically Incorrect is only
> aired on Comedy Central. :/
It's on ABC now. They bought it from Comedy Central. Check your
listings (I think around midnight) because if it's on ABC here, it should
be on ABC everywhere.
> About "Freedom Call" Jpn-version. As you might thought,this e.p. is
> packaged with Tee. So much expensive priced one.
Ah, but watch out. I think all of the shirts packaged with this
are Mediums or a smaller than average Large. I could be mistaken.
> I dont know where you are coming from here, but in my opinion as well as
> a lot of others is that Sebastian Bach has one of the best voices in the
> business.
Agreed. He'd be my first choice as a LaBrie replacement, if James
were to ever leave (Unless Ray Alder quit FW). But then, let's not start
this thread!
> Does anyone know when the pictures of the "Fix" t-shirts will
> be added to the web site?
Wondering the same thing today!
> Ya know what- fuck the goddamn RIAA for busting all these bootlegging
> companies- pardon my language, please. These bootlegs put more money in the
> mouths of recording artists than is being taken away.
Um... please explain this theory? This is not a flame. People
don't normally get bootlegs as the first item(s) from a band. You didn't
go out and see Mind Control and say "This is so great... I'll go buy
I&W!". It's usually the other way around. In that sense, all bootlegs do
is take from the bands. There are a few exceptions... some people sell the
boots for no real profit, in which case, they're doing the fans a service.
But the majority make a pretty penny stealing from bands.
> In response, Bombay Vindaloo was, in fact on a Guitar for the Practicing
> Musician vol.??
Vol. III
- Chris
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:22:17 -0600 (CST)
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Petition
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970403131940.2350B-100000@enteract.com>
Thank you, everyone who signed the petition. It has been received by
Elektra, and they commented about it to Mike Portnoy (obviously). To
anyone who hasn't seen the letter, it is not on the petition page. Just
follow the links.
http://www.prognosis.com/petition/
We still have yet to receive an official response, but we'll keep you
posted.
Chris Ptacek at EnterAct, L.L.C -- (773) 248 8511
http://www.enteract.com (business)
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman/ (personal site under construction)
"At nearly 500 feet per second muzzle velocity, a potato
would be lethal if it were to hit someone."
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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 21:49:53 +0200
From: Joost Winter <jooft@dra.nl>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Stratovarius Bonus Track, NDTC
Message-ID: <334409DE.41A@dra.nl>
> From: Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
> Subject: Bombay Vindaloo/SDV
> BTW, does anyone know the name of the Stratovarius bonus track on
> Episode? Never got a reply last time I asked. Is it something like
> "When the Night Meets the Day"? hehehe - When Dream and Day Unite :)
This is indeed the correct title. I just saw today a review of the
Stratovarius 'The Kiss Of Judas' single posted today. I recently bought
the Japanese 'Black Diamond' single which contains the following tracks.
Black Diamond
The Kiss Of Judas
The Kiss Of Judas (demo)
We Hold The Key (live)
Fourth Reich (live)
So 4 of the 5 tracks are the same as on the TKOJ single. Couldn't they
just put all six tracks (these five plus Uncertainty) on one single?
Black Diamond is a killer track, one of the best Stratovarius ever has
done, The Kiss Of Judas is very good too, I didn't like it at the first
listen, but it grew on me, so now I think it's a very good song. The
demo TKOJ is almost the same as the album version, the only big
difference are some changed lyrics.
BTW: the new album 'Visions' will be released on April 21th, and the
tracks will be titled:
Black Diamond
The Kiss Of Judas
Forever Free
Before The Winter
Legions
The Abyss Of Your Eyes
Holy Light
Paradise
Coming Home
Visions
----- Unofficial Stratovarius Homepage:
Jooft http://www.dra.nl/~jooft/stratovarius/
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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 15:32:02 -0800
From: Jeremy Hyde <tempus@alliance.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Yes and Bass Player type thangs.
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970403153200.0068bacc@mail.alliance.net>
Getting the Yesstuff out of the way...
> From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
>
> I was having a bit of a nostalgia night yesterday (ain't what it used to
be),
> and I think I came across what must be the dumbest lyrics to be found in any
> prog song. Are you all sitting comfortably? Here goes:
>
> DOO-D'N-DOO-DIT, DAH, D'T-D'T-DAH (that's what is says in the lyric sheet)
Hmm, that would have to be from Yes's "Siberian Khatru".
>From: jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling)
>
>"In the early days all I hoped was to make a living out of what I did best.
> But, since there's no real market for masturbation I had to fall back on
>my bass playing abilities."
> -Les Claypool
>
>This is an awesome quote. Where did you find it? I'm not a bass player,
>but my roomate is and he got a big kick out of this one!
>
> -Shane
hehehe, I got that one out of a random quote generator page (can't seem to
remember the URL). I thought, "Hell, I'm a big Primus fan, and play bass
myself, so why not put it in my sig."
>From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
>
>On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Steve Zebrowski wrote:
>
>> > I heard that Geoff Tate is supposed to appear on Politically
>> > Incorrect, this Friday April 4th.
>>
>> Cool! Hey, Jason--tape this! I don't get that channel! :)
>
>Um, Steve, this is ABC. Don't tell me *you* live in Vermont, too! :)
Well, umm, some people still don't know that PI changed networks yet, so
that may be the confusion.
Let me set everyone straight.
For those not in the know, Politically Incorrect has moved from Comedy
Central to ABC.
Thank you.
>From: Pfaller Thomas <topf@mail.ops.co.at>
>Bye Thomas
>
>
>****************************************
>
>"If you=B4re a bass player in a rock band,
> you are by definition a moron."
>
> Scott Thunes
Wow, seems like someone else here reads Bass Player. BTW, Scott Thunes was
Frank Zappa's ex-bassist who seemed to make the 88 Zappa tour crumble.
Ok, enough of me.
"I'm a fast moving laughter train on an express trip to your soul baby!"
-Rick Terry
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Date: 03 Apr 97 11:00:47 -0800
From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Music for the Mind
Message-ID: <199704032034.MAA07742@mailsun3-fddi.us.oracle.com>
Jim Munster wrote:
>Are there any people besides myself who are SICK and TIRED of the bullshit
music business, and the state of music right now??
YES!!
I feel the same way, and my attitude bounces back and forth between anger,
frustration, annoyance, and sad acceptance of the plight of mainstream music.
However, there is a *lot* of great music out there, even right now, for those
who are willing to pull up their sleeves and dig through the garbage on the
surface. Don't give up hope, especially as a musician - we, the listeners and
sometime musicians of the world, need people like you to continue to make
interesting, thought-provoking music! So take heart that there are others
scattered around the world who feel as you do and who support people like
yourself in their efforts to be true to their beliefs in music.
cheers,
-Neil.
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* "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, *
* But glittering prizes and endless compromises *
* Shatter the illusion of integrity." *
* *
* -Neil Peart, Rush *
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Date: 03 Apr 97 12:15:00 -0800
From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Surrounded in 9/8 or 5/4
Message-ID: <199704032034.MAA08042@mailsun3-fddi.us.oracle.com>
Jonathan Dery wrote:
>Actually, Surrounded (the verses) is in 9/8, not 5/4. The only
difference is that one eighth note would have to be removed from 5/4
time.
Well, I kinda see it as alternating measures of 4/4 and 5/4. At least that's
the way my ear likes to group it. Either way, we're talking about the same
number of beats and all. Thanks for the mild-mannered correction anyway -
that's the way such things should be done in a respectful forum.
cheers,
-Neil.
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 22:43:02 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Peter Geerts <peter@wina.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: High frequency in SDV
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970403224109.31928D-100000@www.wina.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
Could someone tell me WHEN exactly you can hear this sound in Space Dye
Vest. Or can it be heard all the time?
Peter
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peter.geerts@student.kuleuven.ac.be
Jaarverantwoordelijke 1K wiskunde, KULeuven
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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 21:18:33 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Story albums/Rush on VH1!!! /DT ~= Rock/
Message-ID: <33441EA9.15FB@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> From: "Kevin Hammer" <tufif_de_siks@hotmail.com>
> 2. The \/\/ |-| () Tommy
Don't know if it was mentioned, but there's also "Quadrophenia"... No
idea what it's about (sarcasm alert) but he ruins a really sweet
motorcycle in it :(
> From: DreamNDay@dreamt.org
> On Saturday March 28 at 11:56 A.M. VH1 Played Tom Sawyer!!!
Trudging through 2 feet of snow on Tuesday, Spirit of Radio came on the
local rock station!
> From: Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu>
> also, does anyone else think that the new DT won't be as good as the
> others?
No. I've been to the JP and MP clinics and have sampled enough of the
hors d'ouerves to know I'm hanging out at this party :)
> The new songs that I have heard just don't seem to 'rock'.
Your standards must be pretty high, dude. For me, Lines in the Sand
seems to leave rock back at the starting gate! That slow tempo at the
beginning sets you up so well, but you know it won't last :) I remember
Mike remarking once how he felt it was tougher to play slow passages. He
seems to be conquering it quite effectively. It's just another boundary
for them to explore. They continue to impress me with the breadth of
their abilities......The spitting high hat
> It almost isn't metal anymore.
I've never personally classified it as metal. It has metal components to
it, but it's so much more than that. Look at Scarred. It's heavy, it's
spacey, it's light, it's a desert topping, it's a floor wax.....
Buh bye,
Jon
*------------*------------------------*--------------*
| Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
*------------*------------------------*--------------*
I believe that what I'm feeling
Changes how the world appears - Rush
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 21:49:45 +0100 (BST)
From: Jon Veal <jon@veal.demon.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: When will I see them live ?
Message-ID: <199704032049.VAA00456@veal.demon.co.uk>
Through this list I have started listening to a lot of new (too me) music.
Bands such as Fates Warning, Savatage, Echolyn, Lemur Voice, Magellan
, Shadow Gallery, Enchant etc.
I'd really like to see some of these live. Am I missing out by being in
the UK or do these bands just not tour that often ?
Jon.
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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 16:43:14 EST
From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: HitNF Charting...
Message-ID: <19970403.134417.8630.0.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
And in the lastest Billboard Hot 200, Hear in the Now Frontier
is at #8, so at least it's rising in the charts.
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What do a nearsighted gynecologist and a puppy
have in common?
A wet nose!
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On Thu, 3 Apr 1997 05:49:31 -0800 (PST) Andrew Forcier
<andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com> writes:
>Hello,
> Just for those who care: Queensryche debuted at 18 on the
>album chart and Sign of the Times is checking in at #6 on Mainstream
Rock
>Tracks.
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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 16:43:14 EST
From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: zpolitically Incorrect
Message-ID: <19970403.134417.8630.1.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
>Actually, the taping of the show is April 4th. Nobody knows when
>the show will actually air on TV, yet. I'll still be taping it
>though. :)
PI airs the same day the show is taped unless it's one of the one on
one ints that Bill Maher does, those are taped for days off. So if it's
taped on the 4th it'll air on the fourth.
Also if you watch PI Bill usually announces who the next nights guests
are, so watch the 3rd and he should say if Geoff will be on or not.
Sorry for the extra post. I've been trying to limit my replies since I'm
in
ack mode now I don't want to take up a whole digest. But I think this
is of interest to a lot of people here and I'd hate to see anyone miss
it who wants to see it.
Scott
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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 16:44:58 -0800
From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: "People Who Don't Fucking Read" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: My Warrior Soul Comments (NDTC)
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970404004458.00672c50@pop.pipeline.com>
Someone wrote:
>Dear mister Kevin Madden.....What gives you the right to complain about the
>music Warrior Soul play??
>If someone like them, don=B4t you want them to be able to do it in harmony
>themselves...???
>Yes, I am a Warrior Soulfan myself, and I listen to all kinds of music, but
>when I hear someone say that they don=B4t like what other people might like,
>I get a little angry. Noone forces you to listen to th bands you=
> criticize....
Let's analyze:
This is what I wrote:
>I also hear this Warrior Soul band some
>one has been pumping here on the jam. This is sooooo not
>prog. I am not saying the person was implying that they
>were, but...if you were planning to buy it - listen first!
>It sounds like lame LA Guns to me...
Ok. What gives me the right to complain? First of all I am
not complaining. I am merely stating my opinion with regard
to Warrior Soul. I did not complain about the music WS
play. I only said that before a reader of this mailing
should buy the product, he should listen to a sample first.
I pointed out that someone was advertising WS in his .sig
file. This led *me* to believe the band probably had some
sort of progressive leanings, although incorrectly. Since when
has the jam had a rule which stated that only positive opinions
may be presented with reference to any band?
Then someone else bitched:
>Okay, to the person complaining about Warrior Soul- its a part of my
>signature for my homepage. I'm not forcing anyone to listen to it- if you
>hate it, fine, if you love it, great!
Let's suppose I hate it. If it is "great" me to feel thusly - why did
you post? Thank you, though, for that permission to dislike a band's
music. I needed that.
>I don't just listen to prog. The music
>I listen to includes stuff all over the place- Dream Theater, Carcass, Fiona
>Apple, Flotsam And Jetsam, Garbage, Imperial Drag, Lillian Axe, Nixons,
>Overkill, Rage Against The Machine, Savatage, Trouble, Therapy, 311,
>Paradise Lost, Poe, Ramones, Mindfunk, Enertia, Arcade, Anthrax, etc. I try
>to listen to as much shit as I can and keep an open-mind.
Fine. I like many of those bands, too. However, I try to avoid listening
to shit, to use your coinage. Therefore I posted the warning to others that
said product just might of the excremental variety...
> I don't think
>Warrior Soul sounds anything like LA Guns, personally. LA Guns lyrics were
>mindless, Warrior Soul has something to say.
I never insulted the lyrical content of WS. Read my post, which I have
generously enclosed above. In my opinion, which by definition is subjective,
The music sounded like latter-day LA Guns. Not old LAG, but newer. If you dis-
agree - that too, is an opinion. Fine.
>Basically, I don't feel like
>arguing, if I wanted to do that, I'd go in a chatroom and call someone an
>asshole.
Yet you still managed to bang out a post criticizing me for offering my
opinion. The subtext seems to imply that *I* am the above-referenced asshole.
I disagree. I never said, "NO ONE BUY WARRIOR SOUL - THEY SUCK THE ROOT!!"
I just advised the readership to exercise a little caution by listening
first. Maybe someone will listen and like.
To each his own - be it shit or gold.
GO WINGS!
Kevin
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