YTSEJAM Digest 2417
Today's Topics:
1) Bootbust cont'd
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
2) Re: MFP-lists !!! (flame-free)
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
3) Sebastian Bach?!?!?!?
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
4) Music for the Mind
by "Jim Munster" <freakboy@ptd.net>
5) Dream Theater Webring Working!!!
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@infinite.wezl.org>
6) WHAT!!!!
by Savalegion <anakata@usa.net>
7) Warrior Soul/Queensryche
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
8) HitNF
by Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
9) All DTC (as always from me)
by "Jonathan Dery" <metropolis@net1plus.com>
10) Re: MUST GO HERE....
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
11) The Alternative Mecca
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
12) Tunnel Records
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2416
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
14) new QR comment n' Iced Earth
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
15) tunnel records
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
16) Geoff Tate
by Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2414
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
18) Hi! I also listen to Killer Dwarfs...
by Maiden <wongo@netxpress.com>
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2415
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
20) Alta Myra
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 18:16:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bootbust cont'd
Message-ID: <199704022316.SAA22974@cliff.cris.com>
For those boot fans who might be interested, there's a short story about the
bust at:
http://www.addict.com/html/lofi/MNOTW/display-news.cgi?97-04-01#boot
-Rick Audet
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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 18:24:33 EST
From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: MFP-lists !!! (flame-free)
Message-ID: <19970402.152526.8694.4.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
This wouldn't be fair! Since I'd win it every month no one else would
even get a chance.
Scott
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What do a nearsighted gynecologist and a puppy
have in common?
A wet nose!
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On Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:06:53 -0800 (PST) Mark Bredius
<bredius@globalxs.nl> writes:
>Jam
>
> Hi there. Just a quick message to say that the new Ytsejam
> "Most Frequent Poster" and "Domain" lists are available on
> my homepage. 380 posters, 1723 messages and 114 URL's this
> month. Check it out :-)
>
> Just had an idea (uh oh!!!). What if I put together a form
> on my page, where you can vote for the Ytse-Asshole of the
> month ? Instead of flaming someone on the mailinglist, you
> vote for them on my page. At the end of each month, I will
> be able to make an official list of Ytse-Assholes :) :)
> Instead of responding to flame-bait you just go to my page
> and paste the message's header (FROM:, DATE: and SUBJECT:)
> in a form. I don't think anyone in his/her right mind wants
> to be known as an Ytse-Asshole. Maybe this helps to avoid
> those countless flamewars :-) Like I said, just an idea.
> I'm serious about this. Lemme know what you think, ok ? :>
>
>Mark
>____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__
>Would someone please let me know how we _ _____ ___ _ _ __
>__
>have spun out of control ?
>|:||_.:._|/:._]|:]_[:|\.\_/./
>Has the captain let go of the wheel ? |:| |:| (.:(_ |:___:| \_::/
>(Queensryche - Sign of the Times) |_| [_] \___]|_] [_| [__/
>_________________________________________________________________________
>Itchy's Homepage - http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/
>
>
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 18:31:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: 70mastrian@cua.edu
Subject: Sebastian Bach?!?!?!?
Message-ID: <199704022331.SAA08406@umbc10.umbc.edu>
This was posted to the last Ytsejam:
> Anyway, onto a music-related thing..... for people in the NY/NJ
> area, there are vocals lessons being offered by none other
> than Sebastian Bach of Skid Row....it's been posted on some
> bulletin board/Internet ad thing since December, so I don't
> know for sure if he's still doing it.....but check it
> out if you're interested on his Web site..
> http://www.ifu.net/~bachoff
I wish this was a joke, but I know it's not. I can't decide which is
funnier: the fact that all Bas's posturing about his "opera training" has
convinced some people that he is good, or the fact that he believes he is
good himself.
I hope no one is actually considering this.
rolling my eyes,
Steve Z
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 18:24:40 -0500
From: "Jim Munster" <freakboy@ptd.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Music for the Mind
Message-ID: <199704022331.PAA24776@odin.ax.com>
Are there any people besides myself who are SICK and TIRED of the bullshit
music business, and the state of music right now?? I'm a musician myself
who can't help but get loud that today's impressionable youth are stuck
hearing crap like Marilyn Manson and Oasis and bullshit dance music. And
the scary thing is...they like this Mtv spoon-fed garbage.
The boys of DT, Queensryche, Fates, Vai, Satch, etc, etc..we know who they
are, are holding together a thinly bonded veil of what's left of the
greatest music this Earth has known. What are we gonna do???
Being in a band myself, we choose not to "sell out" to the local band crowd
and play what everyone else and their band is playing. If I wanted to hear
The Nixons, I'll turn on the damn radio!! Don't give in people. Up the
Irons.
We need to do something about this. Dream Theater rules, and now that I'm
totally pissed off, I guess I'll go throw in some Tool and wonder...where
the hell did all the guitar players go??
Pissed in PA,
Freakboy
-"I fell in love to be let down"
-"Learning to Live"
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 19:01:43 -0500 (EST)
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@infinite.wezl.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Dream Theater Webring Working!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970402190004.30921C-100000@infinite.wezl.org>
Alrighty ladies and gents we now have a WAY cool lookin' WEBRING!!! Check
it out at http://www.wezl.org/NuGgeTMaN/lift.html or at many of our other
fine DT sites! Web programmers...if you want your page added PLEASE E-mail
myself or someone already in the ring so we can get you in! The more pages
the Merrier!!! This makes it WAY easier for DT fans to check out DT pages!
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^ According to the circle of fifths, and the order of sharps and flats: ^
^ If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sigs) ^
^ (i.e. A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major ^
^ would have 4 sharps. ^
^ Statistics show that if a person is born with Perfect Pitch, chances ^
^ are they will grow up to be a famous...Baseball Player!!! :) ^
^ ^
^ "Just Lighten up and listen to the Music" -Kevin Moore (inside joke) ^
^ ^
^ Eric Moegling: emoeglin@wezl.org ^
^ emoeglin@mail.coin.missouri.edu ^
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^ HOMEPAGE - http://www.wezl.org/NuGgeTMaN or http://opeckie.base.org ^
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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 02:34:31 +0200
From: Savalegion <anakata@usa.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: WHAT!!!!
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970403023431.007a2a80@pop.netaddress.com>
I get a little pissed...
Dear mister Kevin Madden.....What gives you the right to complain about the
music Warrior Soul play??
If someone like them, don=B4t you want them to be able to do it in harmony
themselves...???
Yes, I am a Warrior Soulfan myself, and I listen to all kinds of music, but
when I hear someone say that they don=B4t like what other people might like,
I get a little angry. Noone forces you to listen to th bands you=
criticize....
Has anyone heard the new Fates Warning CD???
I was lucky to get a hold of two RA files from the new CD....Seems to be a
great album.
As of Savatage....Their new CD enters the shops this summer....
Seems to be a great one too.....
The people saying that Queensryche is NOT a progband, I disagree with. Many
of the Queensryche songs can and will always be classified as prog to
me.....Now, I don=B4t want to criticize anyone who think what they think, bu=
t
to me Queensryche ARE prog.....
The new DT album seems to be a good one too....I heard two songs from that
one....Good work from DT......
Thanx...and jam on dudes and dudettes......
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http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/3689
http://hem.passagen.se/nanne
http://anakata.base.org
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 97 19:46 EST
From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Warrior Soul/Queensryche
Message-ID: <m0wCag6-000B9wC@xcalibur.iinc.com>
Okay, to the person complaining about Warrior Soul- its a part of my
signature for my homepage. I'm not forcing anyone to listen to it- if you
hate it, fine, if you love it, great! I don't just listen to prog. The music
I listen to includes stuff all over the place- Dream Theater, Carcass, Fiona
Apple, Flotsam And Jetsam, Garbage, Imperial Drag, Lillian Axe, Nixons,
Overkill, Rage Against The Machine, Savatage, Trouble, Therapy, 311,
Paradise Lost, Poe, Ramones, Mindfunk, Enertia, Arcade, Anthrax, etc. I try
to listen to as much shit as I can and keep an open-mind. I don't think
Warrior Soul sounds anything like LA Guns, personally. LA Guns lyrics were
mindless, Warrior Soul has something to say. Basically, I don't feel like
arguing, if I wanted to do that, I'd go in a chatroom and call someone an
asshole.
Does anyone have any info on the Queensryche bootleg Silent Lucidity- Mtv
Unplugged/Live '90. Just wondering a track listing and any other info- sound
quality, etc.
Don Compton
mcauburn@iinc.com
soulmadness@hotmail.com (for people sending pics, sound files, etc.)
Warrior Soul Homepage (now featuring a Whats New section, a review with more
to come, liner notes, lyrics, and info on rare CD singles)
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784/
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 19:41:39 -0600 (CST)
From: Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: HitNF
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970402193522.2266A-100000@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu>
As I was giving the lyrics for HitNF another read through I was quite
impressed (I usually don't catch anything on the first read through).
Especially, "4 billion years between our ears, still hatred brings as many
tears." Unfortunately this is true, but that is a completely
unrelated topic we will not discuss. Also, anytime in the future someone
asks me what time it is I think I will answer, "Grind time...for old
misconceptions." :) spOOL is becoming one of my top QR favorites.
***Rob***
rctaylor@uiuc.edu
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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 20:52:19 -0500
From: "Jonathan Dery" <metropolis@net1plus.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: All DTC (as always from me)
Message-ID: <33430D53.3FE9@net1plus.com>
> Oh, and Surrounded is one of the most ass-kicking rock ballads
> imaginable. Who woulda thought 5/4 could sound so damned smooth?
Actually, Surrounded (the verses) is in 9/8, not 5/4. The only
difference is that one eighth note would have to be removed from 5/4
time.
Hey!!! The petiton fucking worked!!! Mike seems to think they'll start
in May?!! Yippeee!!! Life is good.
BTW: I saw a picture of Derek in 1990 Peavy ad in Guitar Player
Magazine (standing beside Alice Cooper and Al Pitrelli). LOL! He had
the typical Heavy Metal rockstar look that was so popular at the time:
all leather and chains and big, long puffy hair. Derek- you've changed
man. You've sold out (just kidding).
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 18:08:22 -0800
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: MUST GO HERE....
Message-ID: <199704030208.SAA09021@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Albert Balkiewicz said:
>
> of DT and FW (he *IS* a FW freak - wait and see how many
> posts he puts up once the new FW is out! :P...).
>
> The URL is: http://www.gmsnet.com/progmetal
AWWW shucks... thanks AL... I AM a Fates Warning freak... I'll try to keep
my posts down on the jam when the new album comes out... ;)
> By the way, I heard some Lemur Voice clips on there and I
> must say these guys kicked my ass....I must have their
> stuff. Can someone E-mail me at the address below and give
> me some full info. on the albums they have (rec. co., #'s, etc.)
>
You can get to Magna Carta's homepage from my links page... go and check it
out, it has ordering information...
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 19:54:42 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The Alternative Mecca Message-ID: <199704030306.TAA27368@odin.ax.com>
> Are there any people besides myself who are SICK and TIRED of the bullshit > music business, and the state of music right now?? I'm a musician myself > who can't help but get loud that today's impressionable youth are stuck > hearing crap like Marilyn Manson and Oasis and bullshit dance music. And > the scary thing is...they like this Mtv spoon-fed garbage.
What's wrong with liking it? It makes you sound as closed-minded as you make them out to be.
Here's my theory:
We all live in a world where everyone wants to be accepted. When a person starts looking into music they do what most other people do anymore: Turn on MTV. I did this back in 1990 and started getting into bands like Pearl Jam, Nirvana, and Metallica. I went on for awhile and when I thought that MTV had given me all they could give, I looked to my friends to see what other stuff they liked. Basically, they liked everything MTV showed, so we were all quite happy with what we listened to. (At least I was untill I started to grow bored of it). As I began looking for newer music, I'd make the stupid mistake of letting my friends help pass judgement over it. When you work with one person rather than a group, different answers come out of the same people.
In order to uphold a certain reputation, many groups tend to disparrage talented musicians. I don't know why, it's always seemed to be like that. Anyway, the fear of acceptance tugged at me and I abandoned the group.
Eventually, my friends and I parted and I began looking at music alone without being under any sort of peer pressure. I eventually greatly expanded my horizons to listen to I'd say 5000% of what I'd limited myself to with my friends. When I next see them all, I show them all the new stuff I've picked up, and even those that used to cringe and gawk over the different styles even now accept them and even welcome them.
It's not that I was a sheep (well, maybe I was), but I think most of us are. Acceptance is important to everyone at that stage in their lives and most people will do what is necessary to obtain it. Seing as how MTV was the pinnacle of musical knowledge (and still seems to be for all I know), people based their musical foundation on MTV and feared to tread outside of it. I still see the same thing happenening with all of my friends who graduated from high school a couple years after me.
It's not necessarily that kids only like what MTV plays, but really that they aren't exposed to all of the different types of music that's out there. MTV is a very poor musical media, IMO, but it's not fair (I don't think) to blame the kids for liking what is being shown. It's not like everyone can afford to go out and buy 50 CDs one day when what they like is being played on the radio.
Long post, but that summarizes the situation, I think. (Critique?)
KorgX3 a.k.a. ibanez@cyberhighway.net http://www.cyberhighway.net/~ibanez/index.html Disclaimer: The content expressed in the previous document is not the opinion of the author. The author is exonerated of anything written therein. Viewer discretion is advised.
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 97 22:28 EST From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Tunnel Records Message-ID: <m0wCdC2-000B8OC@xcalibur.iinc.com>
Tunnel Records is temporarily closed- anyone have any idea why? I sure don't. Gee, do you think I'll ever get the shit I ordered from them now or my refund? Probably not a prayer.
Don (pissed)
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 22:39:20 -0500 From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2416 Message-ID: <v01530501af68d6c2eb90@[207.79.6.165]>
>Someone has the .sig of JP saying that it occurred to him one day that he >ought to not make sandwiches all his life (something like that)
What's the story behind this?
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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 21:32:04 -0600 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: new QR comment n' Iced Earth Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970403033204.0084cd50@mail.inlink.com>
anyone else notice that the song "all i want" has a real oasis feel to it? not necessarily a bad thing to me, its one of my favorite tracks on the disc.. just thought that was kind of interesting :)
well, i picked up Iced Earth's first self titled debut tonite.. finally found this sucker, 8 bucks used.. its nice to have in the collection but was very different.. they're far from what they were even on night of the storm rider. i'd say the main letdown is the emotionless vocals.. just putrid.. the songwriting is pretty good, a few instrumental tracks, one all acoustic, very nice. guitarrists were definately still working on their chops, but i think i'll get into it more as i hear it more. also noticed they thanked "savatage" in the liner notes.. they thanked DT in Burnt Offerings's.. wonder why we never see these guys opening up for either of them :(
~Rip
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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 21:34:01 -0600 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: tunnel records Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970403033401.00727884@mail.inlink.com>
> >Tunnel Records is temporarily closed- anyone have any idea why? I sure >don't. Gee, do you think I'll ever get the shit I ordered from them now or >my refund? Probably not a prayer.
yeah, copyright laws were changed a bit and a huge bust in germany and italian bootlegging was made.. virtually all the boot companies there have gone down. but in all honesty, you probably never would have gotten your stuff from tunnel records anyways, they're terrible. if you're lucky you might get a refund :)
~Rip
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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 22:37:25 -0500 From: Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Geoff Tate Message-ID: <334325F5.7740@seacoast.com>
I heard that Geoff Tate is supposed to appear on Politically Incorrect, this Friday April 4th. As for James singing on the next Victor album, this sounds too good to be true. Wingman
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 22:51:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2414 Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.970402224826.105892C-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Wed, 2 Apr 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> Hi , I just wanted to let everyone know that my band "ceres" is > opening today the Def Leppard concert here in Monterrey , Mexico for more > than 10,000 fans! I'm really psyched about it and just wanted to let > everybody know. I will post later after the concert to tell how everything > went with opening for one of the most influential bands of the 80's. > You lucky fuck! I'm so jealous. I hope you're better than Tripping Daisy: I saw them open for the Leps on this tour in Austin, TX. Interesting...that's all I'll say.
Richie
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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 21:28:30 -0600 From: Maiden <wongo@netxpress.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Hi! I also listen to Killer Dwarfs... Message-ID: <334323DE.490@netxpress.com>
Hello everyone!.... I'm new to this post and glad to be a part of ytsejam..
Hey Rob, I am a huge fan of Killer Dwarfs since their debut in '83..There used to be a huge fan base here in San Antonio..Thanx to late Joe Anthony.. Here are some of my fav..tunes: 1) Can't Lose 2) Outlaw of a Modern Man 3) Dirty Weapon 4) Doesn't Matter...to name a few. I once saw them back in '83 or '84 opening for Accept..Killer show!
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 23:07:13 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2415 Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.970402225138.105892D-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Wed, 2 Apr 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote: > > > > Well never really had to worry about not getting out $700 guarantee, > however, there were times when we got screwed out of out $100 travelling > expenses. Also, on the contract thing, we would have a show booked, and > weeks later we would mention the owner signing our contract, and on every > occassion were immediately dropped from the show. We had to give up on the > contract thing, because owners would not sign them, and we were losing gigs.
>Wow. I've never had that problem w/ an owner. My theory is that if they don't sign a contract, they are not someone that I want to deal with. I look at it as a business transaction. Think what they can do w/o a contract: they can cancel you at the last minute, shorten your set, etc. I like to have contracts even when it's a freebie. It's insurance that no one will pull any funny business. Plus, it's in the owner's best interest to have you sign a contract because it committs you to the performance. You can't just not show up because the pyschic hotline says that your Vergo is in limbo or anything like that.
> Anyway, onto a music-related thing..... for people in the NY/NJ > area, there are vocals lessons being offered by none other > than Sebastian Bach of Skid Row....it's been posted on some > bulletin board/Internet ad thing since December, so I don't > know for sure if he's still doing it.....but check it > out if you're interested on his Web site..
Fuck!!! The one time it would come in handy to live in New Jersey.
> Richie: > Our drummer always gets a monitor. I find it odd that you don't.
I've had them before, but on the whole I don't, mostly because the dives that I've played didn't have one for me. But now I have little tiny Rolands that I'll use.
Richie >
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 97 23:17 EST From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Alta Myra Message-ID: <m0wCdxg-000B7GC@xcalibur.iinc.com>
I know this is my thousandth post since the last jam but I thought I should just inform that Alta Myra has 2 items of interest for sale. Firstly, they have the Winter Rose CD for 32 dollars with James LaBrie and secondly, the new Queensryche Sign Of The Times single with Silent Lucidity and The Lady Wore Black (From MTV unplugged) and Chasing Blue Skies (from the Jap. edition of HITNF)
Don
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