YTSEJAM Digest 2524
Today's Topics:
1) Response from Francesco Mescino (francesco.b.meschino@som.com)
by "Francesco Mescino" <francesco.b.meschino@som.com>
2) new songs/EJ
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
3) To clear up the DT sound clip issues....
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
4) Tshirt confusion...
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
5) Sounds like a winner
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2523
by jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling)
7) fates flame wars (NDTC)
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2523
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
9) Precious Things
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2523
by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
11) metallica's feelling some karmic whiplash
by Chip Alexander <tca.sdi@ix.netcom.com>
12) Wayn
by Corey Bell <cmbell@inx.net>
13) KTS boots
by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
14) Re: Wayn
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
15) Re: Wayn
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
16) More on DT in Brazil
by "Cassiano P. Barbosa" <geoimage@opus.com.br>
17) Freddie Mercury Benefit Concert
by Anthony LaSorsa <dtgnr@nh.ultranet.com>
18) asdf
by JC81948@ltu.edu
19) SfaM/ ytse shirts
by Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
20) A FAQ question for you all
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
21) Re: KTS boots
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
22) Re: metallica's feelling some karmic whiplash
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:54:05 Central Daylight Time
From: "Francesco Mescino" <francesco.b.meschino@som.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Response from Francesco Mescino (francesco.b.meschino@som.com)
Message-ID: <19970430115405.4d516bee.in@mail.som.com>
You may no longer reach me at this E-Mail address.
I've changed and modified my last name to Mescino.
The new address is f.mescino@som.com.
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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 13:14:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: new songs/EJ
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970430131333.23908E-100000@bdmserver>
I've been to http://www.gmsnet.com/progmetal/ and I have yet to find any
.ra files for the new songs. Where are they?
I saw that Eric Johnson will be touring with Steve Miller this summer.
They are supposed to be at merrweather in Columbia MD in August. Isn't
that a weird bill?
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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:14:51 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: To clear up the DT sound clip issues....
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970430120234.4333B-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
There's some confusion over the sound clips on Dr. Mosh's page. The one
that is listed there as 'Tears' is *not* the new DT song Trial of Tears,
it's a cover of a Rush song. This song has been played live a few time
and this version is a studio version. Dr. Mosh, you might want to make a
note that this is a *cover song* and not and original so people will stop
getting confused.
Also, someone posted that they didn't like the Raise the Knife clip and
couldn't make it out. I could be wrong here, but I believe that
particular clip is taken from a video of the clinic. Basically, it's a
bad audio recording to begin with (muffled camcorder camera, mono,
probably in the back of the room), that was recorded and then further
reduced in quality by converting it to a Real Audio file (sampled at
something like 8000 hz... about 1/5 CD quality). I have heard a clean
recording of a shorter version of the the song, and it's a lot better than
the one on Dr. Mosh's page.
Whatever you do, don't base your judgement of the new DT stuff on any
clips or tape you hear before they hit the studio.
Anybody wonder what they're going to do with the songs in the studio? If
they end up changing things when they record, do you think they'll play
the 'studio version' on the next tour, or go back to the original 'live
version'? Personally, I'd like to hear the songs a little different than
they are on the album....
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
| Pat Griffin Reality2 Design |
| c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu |
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:21:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Tshirt confusion...
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970430121455.4333C-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
I got email yesterday from someone who got the impression from my last
update that if he orders now, he won't get his shirt until October. I'm
not sure what it was that made him think that, but I did want to clear up
any confusion.
All I'm doing is switching the place that I'm mailing shirts from and
receiving orders at from school here in Columbia, MO, to home in St.
Louis, MO. There shouldn't be any more than a minor delay while I switch
over. Generally, the turn around time from when you send the check to
when you get the shirt is about 2-3 weeks, with the exception of recent
orders that were postponed for over a month due to an error on my part.
Things are back up and running smoothly, and there shouldn't be any more
delays.
There are still about 70 shirts left, and I hope to get those all out by
the end of the summer... I have some other things in mind for production,
but I can't afford to start that until my debt on the shirts is paid off.
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
| Pat Griffin Reality2 Design |
| c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu |
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:59:50 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Sounds like a winner
Message-ID: <336796A6.398@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> Real Audio limits frequency response.
Check out the MPEG 3 files on http://www.rsabbs.com/dt/. I found a
gorgeous program called TraXtudio. This is some of the best response
I've heard from disK. On To Live Forever (the best song they've ever
done, so don't bother arguing :), I can hear John's fingers sliding up
and down a string! Real crisp... Of course, 44Khz doesn't hurt either ;)
Regards,
JP
-- *------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------*I believe that what I'm feeling Changes how the world appears - Rush
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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:08:00 -0700 From: jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2523 Message-ID: <v02130501af8d487482e2@[128.32.100.59]>
>or better yet, don't download any crappy sounding .ra files and just >wait until the album comes out. when the test for echo sound files >circulated, i jumped right in and downloaded all i could. it totally >ruined the experience of listening to a new album for me. i think i >definitely would have enjoyed t4e alot more had i not listened to the >sound clips before hand. > >i've decided not to make that mistake twice and avoid listening to >any of the material until i hear it the way it supposed to be heard; >from the studio in a nice clear, clean polished format. maybe you >guys should consider it as well.
These are my thoughts exactly. During the whole Fix boots fiasco I could have easily gotten the tapes, and still can, but I do not want to hear the new stuff until the guys want me to, aka when the new album comes out. I fgure, why listen to either a crappy RA file or a bootleg when I can just wait a few months and hear it in its amazing studio polished glory?
-Shane
______________________________________________________________________________ I Shane Liebling I I was told there's a miracle for each I I jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu I day that I try. I was told there's a I I http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi I new love that's born for each one I I CAA Tweeker & Ytsejammer I that has died... Love is the Dance of I I Member of A.M.M.O. since 1997 I Eternity."Metropolis" - Dream Theater I ______________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:15:43 -0700 From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: fates flame wars (NDTC) Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970430221543.00682670@pop.pipeline.com>
Gordon said: >Somehow I'm not in the mood to fight anymore.
Well, isn't THAT convenient. Throw gas on the fire for a week, and then bail out. Lame.
GO WINGS!
Kevin
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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:28:20 -0400 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2523 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970430152820.00bf7ae0@pophost.fore.com>
>These are my thoughts exactly. During the whole Fix boots fiasco I could >have easily gotten the tapes, and still can, but I do not want to hear the >new stuff until the guys want me to, aka when the new album comes out. I >fgure, why listen to either a crappy RA file or a bootleg when I can just >wait a few months and hear it in its amazing studio polished glory?
Because then we'd have something to discuss on this list other than flame wars. Thank God for the new Fates Album. Keep talking about it.
KAI
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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 97 15:44 EDT From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Precious Things Message-ID: <m0wMfIH-0004lmC@xcalibur.iinc.com>
Damn, if number 70 hasn't been shipped out...then I should be recieving mine in January of 1998 seeing that I am number 268 or something. Sorry about the one-liner here.
Don Compton mcauburn@iinc.com http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784 ...so many times, I tried and failed to gather my courage reach again for that nail, life's been like dragging feet through sand and never finding the promised land.... Queensryche- Promised Land
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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:24:42 -0400 From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2523 Message-ID: <v01540b01af8d59465cf2@[128.197.7.193]>
>What number has been shipped already? I'm number 70 and I haven't gotten >mine yet. I thought I was the only one who didn't get mine yet. I am getting one, right Mr. Bahr?
>Why is it, everyone wants me to confront them in private mail, but takes >their confrontations here to the Jam first? And the thing is, I end up >going private too. The rest of my response is on it's way Jeff, courtesy >of private mail. Practice what you preach. Hey now. I don't get offended easily, but no one calls me a hypocrite without getting away with it. If there's anybody who practices what he preaches, it's me. I commented on your posts to the list. I didn't expect the response I got, so I answered it briefly and said, "e-mail me privately." I had reason to believe that everything I said was not exceeding normal amounts of off-topic discussion. Nothing wrong with that.
Jeff Falk Box 3208 700 Commonwealth Avenue Boston, Massachusetts 02215 (617) 352-8639 jefffalk@bu.edu
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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:32:00 -0500 From: Chip Alexander <tca.sdi@ix.netcom.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: metallica's feelling some karmic whiplash Message-ID: <3367AC40.BC8@ix.netcom.com>
Hi
Colonel Mustard wrote:
> > First of all, I did not attend the show.... these are the stories from > about five folks at school who did.... > > Metallica performed with C.O.C. opening last night at the Summit. > Apparently it was the most unintentionally messed up show people had seen > in a while... simply by bad luck there were apparently a lot of electrical > problems....
I just wanted to add that apparently the same kind of shit went down at the San Antonio show last night. I say apparently because like Col Mustard I wasn't stupid enough to pay $40 bucks per ticket to see Metalliturd.
I did hear from several sources, including our local corporate rock radio station, that they had bad electrical problems - one guy in the audience got set on fire and was taken out on a stretcher.
### CLIFF BURTON STRIKES FROM THE GRAVE!!!! ###
"I got rich... and nothing else matters" - James "Corporate Shill" Hetfield
Chip *-----------------------* | chips@eden.com | |-----------------------| | tca.sdi@ix.netcom.com | *-----------------------*
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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:36:04 -0400 From: Corey Bell <cmbell@inx.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Wayn Message-ID: <199704302036.QAA01519@inx>
I just got through listening to Where are you Now for the third time, and I really like it. It is pretty straight forward and there is no real complex musical statement being made but the song itself is very catchy to me. I am curious if anyone knows where this was recorded? I also hear a background voice towards the end of the song that sounds like James but I can't really tell. I assumed that this song was live but when I heard that background vocal I wondered if it was a demo or something like that. I really like the solos in this one too, espeacially the keyboard solo, it is very cool and leads perfectly into the really cool acoustic bridge. Well those are just my thoughts on the whole thing...
See ya, Corey
Check out my band, Joint Decision's, official website at home.aol.com/steviemyer
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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:47:35 -0500 From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net> To: "All my love slaves at..." <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: KTS boots Message-ID: <3367AFE7.75E8@auburn.net>
My KTS package came in the mail today! Hooboy, they could've at least let me attempt to digest aPSoG a bit more, couldn't they? :)
Since I only got 5 discs, there were a few more that I considered but didn't decide to order. I got DT "Lords of Sound" (2CDs), Pantera "Live Beyond Driven," Extreme "Dreams Come True," and Rush "Run From The Fans." I know several others on this list made an 11th hour order from KTS also, so if anyone wants to trade copies of boots for these or any others I might have, let me know! Maybe we can trade!
Another tidbit I haven't seen posted here before: KTS sends the CDs and packaging, but to save postage, they do not send jewel boxes! Heheh, I was worried when I saw that thin envelope from Italy in the mailbox :)
Be nice, everyone, Mark Peters swifty@auburn.net
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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:59:52 -0400 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Wayn Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970430165952.00baa790@pophost.fore.com>
At 01:53 PM 4/30/97 -0700, you wrote: > I just got through listening to Where are you Now for the third >time, and I really like it. It is pretty straight forward and there is no >real complex musical statement being made but the song itself is very catchy >to me. I am curious if anyone knows where this was recorded? I also hear a >background voice towards the end of the song that sounds like James but I >can't really tell. I assumed that this song was live but when I heard that >background vocal I wondered if it was a demo or something like that. I >really like the solos in this one too, espeacially the keyboard solo, it is >very cool and leads perfectly into the really cool acoustic bridge. Well >those are just my thoughts on the whole thing... >
I haven't heard these clips, so I don't know if they're live or not, but I know that in a couple of the new songs at the FIX shows, Mike P. sang some backup vocals, and pretty well too. The added voice might be him.
KAI
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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:02:46 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Wayn Message-ID: <3367B376.AA9@caribe.net>
Eric Rodger wrote: > > At 01:53 PM 4/30/97 -0700, you wrote: > > I just got through listening to Where are you Now for the third > >time, and I really like it. It is pretty straight forward and there is no > >real complex musical statement being made but the song itself is very catchy > >to me. I am curious if anyone knows where this was recorded? I also hear a > >background voice towards the end of the song that sounds like James but I > >can't really tell. I assumed that this song was live but when I heard that > >background vocal I wondered if it was a demo or something like that. I > >really like the solos in this one too, espeacially the keyboard solo, it is > >very cool and leads perfectly into the really cool acoustic bridge. Well > >those are just my thoughts on the whole thing... > > > > I haven't heard these clips, so I don't know if they're live or not, but I > know that in a couple of the new songs at the FIX shows, Mike P. sang some > backup vocals, and pretty well too. The added voice might be him. > > KAI
its a demo... james is doubling himself.. since the backing vocal is a high pitched one... --
"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:37:54 -0300 From: "Cassiano P. Barbosa" <geoimage@opus.com.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: More on DT in Brazil Message-ID: <199704302137.SAA07627@stormbringer.opus.com.br>
OK, I just read it on the paper that although there are no official words from the festival, DT is indeed planning to come to Brazil.
They would play at the Monsters of Rock festival on August the 30th, along with Manowar, Dio, Judas Priest and with Whitesnake as a headliner. I think that the confirmation really depends on when the band will finish the recording of the new album.
Hope everything works out and we, brazilian fans, get the long-awaited new album along with our long-awaited live DT next semester!!
P.S.: any brazilian jammer knows what's the status of the petition? It could be used to ask for a only-DT performance in Sao Paulo or Rio...
cassiano. geoimage@opus.com.br
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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:42:36 -0400 From: Anthony LaSorsa <dtgnr@nh.ultranet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Freddie Mercury Benefit Concert Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970430174236.0068d354@nh.ultranet.com>
Hello all! I've got a question for everybody. I was just watching part2 of Metallica's a year and a half in the life of... and they had tons of footage of the FM benefit concert. I was wondering if anybody has a video tape of this concert and would be willing to trade a copy for something. I'm curious to see what extreme played as well as the other bands. WEll, if anybody has this can you email me privately? I haven't had time to read the jams.... :( Take care! Tony
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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:40:24 -0400 (EDT) From: JC81948@ltu.edu To: YTSEJAM@ax.com Subject: asdf Message-ID: <01IIBRKEP5AQ8ZGBKK@LTU.EDU>
jamie carlson subscribe me please
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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:50:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: SfaM/ ytse shirts Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970430174650.28438F-100000@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu>
Just got Scenes From A Memory a few days ago. Half of you probably already have it, but for the other half who don't: it's pretty darn cool :) And while I'm at it: make sure to order your ytsejam t-shirt from Pat Griffin.
-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_- | ***Rob*** "If Balance is the key then maybe | | rctaylor@uiuc.edu we'll see a future understanding" | | -Queensryche | -~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-
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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:18:02 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org> To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: A FAQ question for you all Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970429191425.2887D-100000@digital.dreamt.org>
Hey, folks. I've asked this once, and I didn't get any response. The person that originally called me on this has asked me again to try and find out the truth about this.
The FAQ states that the symbol inside "LatM" is an alceringa. (I didn't write that - I inherited it.) Yet, someone else claims that it's a very generic printer's "bullet" for separating paragraphs. Maybe it's both? Neither? I don't know, and I'm hoping that one of you do. Read that part of the FAQ, take a look at the... thing inside LatM, and let me/us know what you think. Thanks.
-Chris
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:10:46 EDT From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: KTS boots Message-ID: <19970430.191242.8638.1.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
> I know several others on this list made an 11th hour order from >KTS also, so if anyone wants to trade copies of boots for these or any >others I might have, let me know! Maybe we can trade!
I got an email from them saying the sale runs until the end of *May* now instead of April.
>Another tidbit I haven't seen posted here before: KTS sends the CDs >and packaging, but to save postage, they do not send jewel boxes!
They don't tell you this when you order and then you get this little envelope and think "awwwwww, shit!" but there are no Jewel cases in it. That can be a pain in the ass, but cases are known to break during shipping.
Scott
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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:10:46 EDT From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: metallica's feelling some karmic whiplash Message-ID: <19970430.191242.8638.0.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
>I just wanted to add that apparently the same kind of shit went down >at >the San Antonio show last night. I say apparently because like Col >Mustard I wasn't stupid enough to pay $40 bucks per ticket to see >Metalliturd. > >I did hear from several sources, including our local corporate rock >radio station, that they had bad electrical problems - one guy in the >audience got set on fire and was taken out on a stretcher. > >### CLIFF BURTON STRIKES FROM THE GRAVE!!!! ###
IT'S NOT REAL, PEOPLE! THIS IS ALL STAGED. RADIO STATIONS ARE JUST PROMOTIONAL MACHINES AND WILL TLL YOU WHAT THE BAND WANTS YOU TO HEAR! tHEY'VE DONE THIS AT EVERY SHOW ON THE LOAD TOUR!
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