YTSEJAM Digest 2817
Today's Topics:
1) Sept.23
by "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
2) Burning My Soul
by Coop42@aol.com
3) SDV and higher frequencies...
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
4) You Not Me
by "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
5) Division
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
6) Extra FW ticket for Jaxx show
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
7) New stuff questions
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
8) Burning My Soul
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
9) A few things from my twisted soul....
by Nick Giannotti <N.Giannotti@COMEQUITY.COM>
10) Brucie, Division, NWOBHM - the three are inextricably linked...
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
11) Michael Harris
by cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert)
12) Ytsejam Fantasy Football League
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
13) RE: YTSEJAM digest 2812
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
14) No more cash
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 04:12:41 PDT
From: "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Sept.23
Message-ID: <199708041112.EAA10800@f53.hotmail.com>
Hello Jammers!
Sept.23!Aahh!!...?Is this the US release date or in Europe as well?
I live in Finland,and wouldn´t want to wait another month before I get
the new DT...
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 07:35:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Coop42@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Burning My Soul
Message-ID: <970804073528_650280418@emout13.mail.aol.com>
Hi there,
I have to agree with the people who aren't too happy about the splitting up
of BMS, but I still hope that they might release the demo version (about 9
minutes long, I think) as a B-side on a future single. It'd definitely make a
nice contrast if the A-side was Take Away My Pain...
Take Care,
Andreas Berger
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 09:02:55 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: SDV and higher frequencies...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970804085958.399D-100000@turing.ime.usp.br>
On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, Steve Zebrowski wrote:
> signifying someone waking up. That's Kev's. Also, aren't the samples in
> SDV supposed to be representative of someone awake late at night, flipping
> through channels on the TV?
Well, just one thing that I was discussing with Marcelo the other
day: can you hear those higher frequencies on the samples in SDV??? I
mean, the sound of the fly-back (some very, very high frequencies).
It is funny that I can hear with my left ear, but not with my
right ear.
And what are the frequencies of those sounds (the higher), if
anyone knows??
Thank you for any comments, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 09:16:40 -0400 From: "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: You Not Me Message-ID: <199708041320.JAA06731@zork.tiac.net>
Yo maggots,
Well I assume after reading the last jam everybody went and downloaded You Not Me. The guy on the file says this will be the first single but MP says it'll be BMS, whatever, both sound like they would be good choices. Here's my little review
Goods: Woah?!? Was that James singing in the beginning?? I like how James sings on this because he sings clean but he doesn't sound like a glam singer. The groove in the beginning under the vocals is good and yes.......MYUNG IS CLEARLY AUDIBLE EVEN ON A HIGHLY COMPRESSED LOW QUALITY MP3 FILE! Chorus kicks ass. Is that James singing along with himself or are the other boys in there? I love the wah-guitar with the keys right after the first chorus, they also end the song with this groove. Portnoy is still tearing it up even though it's a realitively simple song, not many time sig changes. Derek sounds good even though he mainly just adds keyboard tectures in an APSoG sort of style, meaning the guitars dominate but he keys are definitely there. The instrumental part is cool in a funky sort of way, but this brings me to the first and only....
Bads: As soon as the band is starting to jam JP only gets about 1 bar of shredding! He could have ripped all over the progression under the the chorus. Oh well, that's my only complaint.
Rock on, and give me an MP3 of Trial of Tears, will ya?!? :)
Adam
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 09:35:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Division Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970804093048.19960A-100000@bdmserver>
Pat Madden wrote: >Pat said: >>I got a Division cd yesterday. I haven't listened to all of it yet but it >>is great prog metal. > >I have to slightly disagree. I wouldn't classify Division as prog metal per se. >I like Mike's description of power/prog instead. If you buy the cd expecting >Dream Theater/Fates Warning-type progression, you aren't going to get it. >There are influences here and there - don't get me wrong - but I hear a >lot more Maiden, Forbidden, and the like *with prog leanings* moreso.
Before I posted my original post I thought about saying heavy prog metal but to me prog metal encompasses a wide range. I've now had the chance to listen to the cd a lot more and I like it more now then I did before. There are a lot of great tunes on this disc. Division has a lot of potential and hopefully they will be able to make it in the music biz.
5 days until Fates/Divine Regale/Division/????...
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com | |=======================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 09:57:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Extra FW ticket for Jaxx show Message-ID: <199708041357.JAA29582@umbc8.umbc.edu>
I might have one extra ticket available to the Fates Warning show at Jaxx in VA this Friday night. Please e-mail me if you are interested in getting it and hopefully we can work something out. Price is the facevalue of $20.
Thanks!
-- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 15:58:27 +0200 From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New stuff questions Message-ID: <33E5E002.6BBB@westend.com>
Hi!
Jon Dery wrote:
>1) Does Doug Pinnick sing lead vocals on LITS or just the backing vocals >that JP does live ("Swept away with the tide. Through the holes in my >head. Crown of thorns in my side. Drawing lines...")?
I think he did the backing voice during the chorus, it's like an echo of the lead vocals between James' lines. (Hey, like Mike's vox on Burning My Soul live.) These backing lines were quite bluesy, so I think it would fit if Doug Pinnick did them.
>2) Are there any cool samples in any of the songs?
The only samples I heard yet were the radio-tune-samples on "You or/not me". That's all. Another DT trademark gone? We'll see...
Steffen - THE MIRROR Germany
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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 16:05:57 +0200 From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Burning My Soul Message-ID: <33E5E1C4.2EAF@westend.com>
Hello #2...
>> i have mixed feelings about this.. doesnt anyone else??..i mean >> cool.another song..but withougt that middle part BMS will sound just >> like a heavy song > >they could be referring to an even older part that was there from b4 the >Fix shows. But I'm just guessing. I can't remember BMS so well...except >for the end.
Well, they cut 3 1/2 minutes from the demo version. I just can try to imagine how it will sound without the middle section, but I think it's a shame. It was this part of the song that made it good. A heavy song with a surprising but always fitting break. It's their album, I hope they knew what they were doing.
Steffen
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 10:13:25 -0400 From: Nick Giannotti <N.Giannotti@COMEQUITY.COM> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: A few things from my twisted soul.... Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=Commonwealth_Equ%l=MAIL_SERVER-970804141325Z-3559@mail_server.comequity.com>
Hey all.
1) Does anyone have (or know of a location on the web of) a transcription of the John Myung interview that was conducted in Bass Player magazine a while back? I checked the Bass Player home page, but there was nothing. Any leads, etc. would be heartily appreciated.
(As a side note, I can just imagine how this interview is, what with John being the Silent Man....
BP: So, you play bass for Dream Theater, huh? Myung: (nods) BP: How long have you been playing? Myung: (shrugs, holds up a bunch of fingers) BP: Okay, ah, well, what kind of equipment do you use? Myung: (points to rig sitting in corner of the studio)
etc... )
2) Does anyone else get as excited as I do when you turn someone onto DT (esp. when you turn them OFF of country? :) I thought this was a major coup for all us prog-rockers....)
3) My mind just drew a blank... damn.. I hate that...
-Nicholas (Mogus on IRC)
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 10:21:59 -0400 From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Brucie, Division, NWOBHM - the three are inextricably linked... Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-970804142159Z-1843@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
Dave wrote...
> Anyway - along comes this new album (with Adrian Smith - no less!) > and wham!! - this is where Maiden should have gone!!
You know, the reaction to this album has been great all around, and this one sounds the most like Maiden of any of Bruce's efforts so far. It also sounds more like Maiden than "X-Factor" did...
Maybe this should tell them something? :) > Paul scribbled... > >>Some jammer mentioned he didn't think this existed when someone else >>mentioned it. I can confirm it exists; I have a copy of the British >>pressing of the 2-CD set (the US version followed later). >> >>Def Leppard have two (very early) songs on it. Favorite >>bandname on it: Tygers of Pan Tang. :)
Hey - great band! later featuring the fabulous John Sykes on guitar, "Spellbound" and "Crazy Nights" are both great examples of what the NWOBHM was all about... > Neil wrote about... > >Left Hand Solution - Fevered
What label is this on? It sounds like my kind of thing...
Pat wrote...
(on the NWOBHM CD) > >Yep, I've got the US version. I think it only has one DL song and that >song is an early version of the song Wasted. I wonder what other >differences exist between the British and US versions...
I didn't know there were any. Hmm... > > >Well I made another person a DT fan. I think I created a monster >though... About 3 years ago I told a friend of mine about DT and played >Images and Words for him. At that time he wasn't too impressed. Last week >I was talking to him and he says that he has to listen to Metropolis >every day. We were listen to Images and Words and every 5 seconds he is >going "HOw the hell does he do that?". Pretty funny...
Hell, I STILL do that! :) > > >Don't miss out on your chance to join the Ytsejam Fantasy Football League. >Go to http://espn.com and hit the fantasy football link and sign up. >After you get a team join the league (password is "majesty"). Then >prepare to lose to my great team... Don't be left out. Join up now...
Ooohhh - them's fightin' words! > > >I got a Division cd yesterday. I haven't listened to all of it yet but it >is great prog metal. I can't wait to see how these guys sound live. They >should be a great opening band for Fates August 8th. The cd booklet had >pictures of the band members and I was like cool I can see what the >Jammer Mike Blevins looks like. Wrong. He is doing his John Myung >impersonation with his hair _ALL_ over his face...
I guess this means Matt actually sent you the CD? :)
I prefer to remain anonymous. :) Thanks for the compliment - you're making me blush! :)
Rog wrote...
>> Some jammer mentioned he didn't think this existed when someone else >> mentioned it. I can confirm it exists; I have a copy of the British >> pressing of the 2-CD set (the US version followed later). > > Well, I've been told that it has about 30 songs. Could you tell >what is its name and what is the label? Maybe we can find it on some of >the on-line stores (CD Now, CD Universe, CD Connection, CD World etc). >Maybe other people who has these 2-CD set can throw in other comments?? Is >it worth getting??
The US version is called "NWOBHM: '79 Revisited", and Lars does the liner notes. It also has a COOL picture of Thunderstick on the cover, if I remember correctly. (Hey, didn't I talk about Dickenson earlier? My, what a long, strange trip it's been!) This stuff was some of the formative music of my youth - Maiden, Saxon, Gaskin, Preying Mantis, Holocaust, Angel Witch, etc. - and of course the almighty Diamond Head!. The production (and some of the playing) is really bad by today's standards, but the exuberance overcomes that. If you want to hear the scene that gave birth to Maiden and the like, this is one of the only ways to do it - most of this stuff doesn't exist on CD in any other form.
Well, now that people know I'm old... :)
Mike
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 09:43:20 -0500 From: cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert) To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Michael Harris Message-ID: <19970804143803207.AAA247@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
To any of you who have been trying to contact Michael Harris on ordering or anything else, his new address is : guitout@centurion.flash.net · • Colonel Mustard • ·
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 10:44:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Ytsejam Fantasy Football League Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970804104133.19960I@bdmserver>
To join the YFFL at espn
go to http://espn.com
follow the fantasy football link sign up and pay espn for a team, use a credit card over the net or call them then join a group and select the Ytsejam Fantasy Football League the password is "majesty"
as of today, there are 4 slots open. There is a little over 3 weeks left to join up.
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com | |=======================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 10:40:52 -0400 From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 2812 Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-970804144052Z-1873@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
Jeff wrote...
>I finally got my copies of Superior's CD from Knights of the Round.... >good company. The CD, kicks much ass. I highly suggest that everyone >who has yet to get it should buy it. Excellent Prog Metal music.
I concur - this is some damn good stuff. When do we get the next one, Bernd? >
Itchy wrote...
> Check out Itchy's Dream Theater Homepage for the new Most Frequent > Poster Lists for the Ytsejam and Voices at : > > http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/indexdt.htm
After checking, it seems I'm not posting enough. Tied at eighteen? Sheesh... :)
Omeraron wrote...
>well hello there ytsejamers... >this is your massenger from israel talking, >i have few things to say to you guys so listen up:
I'm not even going to touch this one... I might burn myself! :) > Kevin "No More Monkey" Madden wrote...
>In the interest of starting a Division thread (Send $$ to me, Mike - you >have the address)...
Would you like that in small bills? :) > >Pat said: >>I got a Division cd yesterday. I haven't listened to all of it yet but it >>is great prog metal. > >I have to slightly disagree. I wouldn't classify Division as prog metal per >se. >I like Mike's description of power/prog instead. If you buy the cd expecting >Dream Theater/Fates Warning-type progression, you aren't going to get it. >There >are influences here and there - don't get me wrong - but I hear a lot more >Maiden, Forbidden, and the like *with prog leanings* moreso. I assume Mike >has >sound clips at the Division web page <http://www.crosslink.net/~division> and >you can/should hear for yourselves. Listening to sound clips is free, and the >cd is good enough to warrant spending a few bucks to support independent >metal.
Uh oh, here comes that "What is prog?" thing again. Groan. I can't argue with Kevin - some of the new stuff REALLY sounds like Forbidden. Please, feel free to spend that few bucks... Although we may not be independent much longer... :) > >On the other hand, some of the new material sounds more like prog metal. I >think >this is natural, because anytime you spend a few years getting that first cd >out, you end up with a strangely wide range of material, because the time >span >is so great. I think the follow-up to "paradise lost" (tentatively entitled >"we're in it for the chix, bra") will be a little more consistant >thematically and stylistically, but hey - what do I know? I know that I was >kidding about >that cd title...
What do you mean - that IS why we're in it! :) It certainly isn't for the money... > >>I can't wait to see how these guys sound live. They >>should be a great opening band for Fates August 8th. > >I have seen them, ah..three times? Anyway, they sound pretty good live - >in some ways better than on disc. If you can stand Axel-er-Scott's >stage antics, and listen to the music, it's cool.
Is it really only three times? You _were_ at our third show ever... I don't think Scott will be having much in the way of stage antics - he had hernia surgery last Tuesday, so I imagine he'll be standing still a lot... :)
He's having an easier time with the high notes, though... :) > >>The cd booklet had >>pictures of the band members and I was like cool I can see what the >>Jammer Mike Blevins looks like. Wrong. He is doing his John Myung >>impersonation with his hair _ALL_ over his face... > >I think he looks sorta like Jon Oliva from Savatage - but then I've seen >him in a suit/presentable-looking, so maybe I could be wrong ;-)
I KNOW you're wrong - I never look presentable! You can't say that anymore, BTW - since I grew a beard, I don't look like Jon AT ALL. > >Mike, you have a thread - you have hit the jam big time!
Woo Hoo! Somebody pass the doughnuts! And I intend to do everything I can to keep it going... > >CD of the day: Armored Saint - Delirious Nomad
Good choice - I probably haven't heard this in ten years, but it's a good one. >
Anybody else have problems with Swifty's "You Not Me" mp3? It's probably just me - I make computers do strange things - but I wanted to check, and to thank him for putting it out there...
Mike
(it's sig time)
Division - DC Power/prog metal is alive and cranking "Holy Land"... http://www.crosslink.net/~division or human email division@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 97 16:57:53 +0200 From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop) To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: nga@server3.software-ag.de Subject: No more cash Message-ID: <9708041457.AA00312@sundoc13.software-ag.de>
Hi all
I consider it socially irresponsible to have a CD dealer right next to where the bank has it's cash point machine. The last thing I wanted to buy on Saturday was a new CD, so first I bought my groceries, then I went to the bank for some cash for the weekend, and then - the last thing I bought - was a new CD. So here's the review (some Dream Theater content - Mike Portnoy likes this band).
Pantera - Official Live: 101 Proof
As the owner of all the official post-glam Pantera albums, I've been looking forward to seeing the cowboys from hell on their current tour - but so far they haven't managed to haul their lame arses over the pond to Europe, so I'll have to make do with this. This is the official live album, but it still has a very raw, almost bootleg feel to it - there has obviously been very little (if any) touching up in the studio. Mr. Bahr would have been proud of this. Very powerful hard hitting, no holds barred, in your face stuff. About as subtle as a brick on the back of the head but a damn sight more enjoyable. Phil also has a couple of very interesting things to say about the state of metal (I hope Vince and Eckie get a listen to this). The highlights for me are Suicide Note Part 2, Walk, Hostile, Cemetary Gates and, of course, Cowboys From Hell. This album won't turn anybody onto Pantera, but if you already like them, this is a must, especially if you haven't seen them live. 9/10
The results of the ytse-poll held few surprises, but for my own interest, I would ask the other two (yes 2) who voted for Theatre OF Tragedy and for The 3rd And The Mortal to let me know who they are.
stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) Currently playing: The Sisters Of Mercy - A Slight Case Of Overbombing
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