YTSEJAM Digest 2861
Today's Topics:
1) NWOBHM
by ryanrl@cyberalink.com.au (Robert Ryan)
2) Bonus tracks
by Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu>
3) Bonus?
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
4) Rock stations
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
5) Skadberg, Bahr, Wherry, Blevins, Portnoy, Sneezy, Dopey
by "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
6) Re: shut the fuck up and listen to me for a second!!!!!!
by eckie@asu.edu
7) T-Ride
by "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
8) Re: Singing and the Cold
by eckie@asu.edu
9) Re: shut the fuck up and listen to me for a second!!!!!!
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
10) Progressive today.. my response
by "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
11) Re: Bonus?
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
12) RE: shut the fuck up...
by Jeff DiBartolomeo <jdibart@li.net>
13) Change of pace..............
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:57:32 +1000
From: ryanrl@cyberalink.com.au (Robert Ryan)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: NWOBHM
Message-ID: <19970813005307031.AAA1590@pppd-49.cyberalink.com.au>
I am way behind in 'jams, so hopefully no-one else has covered this. If so
skip the following waffle
The above title does exist. Here are the details from my copy.
Title: New Wave of British Heavy Metal ' 79 Revisited
Distrib: Vertigo
Cat. No.: CD 846 322-2
LP 846 322-1
MC 846 322-4
Released: 1990
CD 1
Diamond Head It's Electric 3:34
Sweet Savage Eye of the Storm 3:13
Saxon Motorcycle Man 3:58
White Spirit Cheetah 4:42
Raven Don't Need the Money 3:15
Paralex White Lightning 3:52
Def Leppard Getcha Rocks Off 2:56
Weapon Set the Stage Alight 2:51
Samson Vice Versa 4:44
Hollow Ground Fight With the Devil 3:18
Girlschool Demolition Boys 3:36
Witchfynde Leaving Nadir 6:60
CD 2
Iron Maiden Sanctuary 3:39
Jaguar Back Street Woman 4:34
Tygers of Pan Tang Killers 6:33
Gaskin I'm No Fool 3:36
Sledgehammer Sledgehammer 3:10
Venom Angeldust 2:36
Angel Witch Extermination Day 3:57
Tresspass One of These Days 3:44
Holocast Death or Glory 3:30
Vardis If I Were King 2:59
Blitzkrieg Blitzkrieg 3:48
Diamond Head Helpless 7:02
Bonus Tracks on CD set only
Dragster Ambitions 4:05
A-II-Z Treason 2:55
Witchfinder General Witchfinder General 3:51
Black Axe Red Lights 2:59
Fist S.S. Giro 3:09
Praying Mantis Captured City 5:32
EMAIL me if you want any further details/scans etc.
Your welcome.
Bob
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:41:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bonus tracks
Message-ID: <199708130141.VAA13726@acmex.gatech.edu>
> 1)there will not be a bonus tracks to the japanese version of FII!!!
> do you know why?!?!?!?
> i'll tell you!!
> because the totall run of the normal version of the cd is 78 fucking
> minutes!!! and the maximum length of a cd is 79 minutes!! so if they
> wanna have a bonus track they will have to do it very very fast,if
> you know what i mean.....
I thought the plan was to have a whole bonus CD. In other words, the
identical CD to the one in the US, plus a second CD with bonus tracks on
it. That's what's happening, isn't it?
Eric
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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 09:04:46 -0300
From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bonus?
Message-ID: <33E1D0DE.36AA9BC8@geocities.com>
Hi there jammanoids!
ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> ------------------------------
> From: omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il
> Subject: shut the fuck up and listen to me for a second!!!!!!
> 1)there will not be a bonus tracks to the japanese version of FII!!!
> do you know why?!?!?!?
> i'll tell you!!
> because the totall run of the normal version of the cd is 78 fucking
> minutes!!! and the maximum length of a cd is 79 minutes!! so if they
> wanna have a bonus track they will have to do it very very fast,if
> you know what i mean.....
And who is talking about a bonus track??? There'll be a BONUS CD with
the japanese edition, and I'll spend all the $40 bucks it'll cost here
to have it! (At least, may I say...)
> 2) stop crying over the fucking price!!! 20$ is nothing!!!!!
> i live in israel,and in order for a cd to arrive here it has to be
> ship through zillion countrys,and a normal cd cost here like 28$!!
> so stop it,will ya????
Ok, $20 is nothing, send them to me so... =)
That's no excuse: we have the same deal here in Brazil, and in addition
we have extremely high import taxes (not sure about CD's, but it's
high), and we can still get US CD's for about $15-$18, and European CD's
for about $18-$25. Only japanese ones are highly overpriced (about $40).
-- []'s /**********************************************\ |* Marcelo Vanzin *| |* vanzin@geocities.com *| |* http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ *| \**********************************************/------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:41:39 -0600 From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Rock stations Message-ID: <199708130245.UAA25001@mailmx.micron.net>
>. I want to send a request out to all jammers to call up their >local rock stations and start requesting this song. Is this a feasable >idea?
Not sure if it will work, but it couldn't hurt anything. unfortunately, some of us don't have any rock stations. We here in idaho have 4 stations that play sunny came home and one headlight along with a bunch of 80's stuff all day long. Does that make sense?
woot
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:56:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Falling Into Froboz <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Skadberg, Bahr, Wherry, Blevins, Portnoy, Sneezy, Dopey Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96a.970812192942.24562D-100000@dante34.u.washington.edu>
> From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org> > Subject: The Bahr Debate .... > > ends now. If you have any questions, complaints, gripes, praise, etc > for Mike's project, please mail durnik@indirect.com, NOT the Jam.
My response is not in regards to Mike's project. It's in regards to how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie roll lollipop.
If the Bahr Debate ends now, then Mike Bahr's personal tirades regarding the blessings and curses of his personal life ALSO end now. The idea of a Bahr mailing list is a great one.
Yesterday I took a step with my right leg, and my big toe smashed into a chair leg. Gee it hurt.
I'm selling my mom. $800 or best offer, which I will put towards an upgrade of my BC Rich Ironbird "American" series to a BC Rich Ironbird "NJ" series.
Then after Mike Bahr gets his own mailing list, everyone on this list ought to subscribe to the Sarah McLachlan mailing list, just for one day. It's called "Fumbling Towards Ecstacy," named after her most popular album to date. You will learn a great deal about what the word "family" can mean to some folks in regards to a mailing list. If nothing else you will be able to put into perspective just how level-headed and smooth this list really is by comparison. ;)
---- > From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@mathworks.com> > Subject: Bahr -- the point! > > The point of my first post was that I didn't want to see the Bahr > family's troubles and advertisements for his CD projects on the jam.
Are you hinting that some of Mike Bahr's posts are prime material for an NBC mini-series? I agree.
> Sure, I think it sucks that Mike Bahr profits more, per CD, from one of > his Dream Theater CD projects than a single member of Dream Theater > does, per CD, from an actual Dream Theater album. I just threw that in.
A voice in my head that sounded a lot like Gary Kasparov just said "check."
> And once again, without fail, in ytsejam #2855, Mike posted about how > much this costs and how much that costs and how he's borrowing a > computer to increase productivity and how he may have to sell some > magic cards to get it and how he may be able to lower his prices more > next year......... > > Put it on the web page. Send email to your customers. Have a nice day.
Tune in. Turn on. Mix batter. Break wind. Shoot up. Lick stamps. Drink me.
---- > From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil> > Subject: My Take On Mike Bahr... > > 1. "Mike Bahr" does not actually exist.
Hahahahaha. This whole thing was hilarious...
> compromising video of KJL, MP, JM, two hookers, a drag queen, a dog, > five pounds of Cool Whip, a firehose, and two gerbils.
Okay, I take back everything I said. If Melissa Bahr has a video of this, I want to hear about it RIGHT HERE on the 'jam. Forget the webpage, bring it to my inbox. I want long, detailed descriptions of the product content in this case.
> "Brian and Mike - go to your corners and come out swinging!"
If you shout "Defend yourself at all times!" to Mike Portnoy with a camera in your hands, he'll pose like a boxer for you. Honest.
Bafu Vai
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:00:12 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: shut the fuck up and listen to me for a second!!!!!! Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970812195703.3611B-100000@general2.asu.edu>
Whoa, lay off the caffiene dood,
On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il wrote:
> ok!!!
Are you???
> because the totall run of the normal version of the cd is 78 fucking > minutes!!! and the maximum length of a cd is 79 minutes!! so if they > wanna have a bonus track they will have to do it very very fast,if > you know what i mean.....
YES!!! DREAM THEATER'S GOIN' BALLSY-DEATHMETAL THRASH!!! Hell, they could prolly cover Holy Wars...the Punishment Due in less than a minute...
BWAHAHA. So we can count out Metropolis part II, eh?
~SepulEckie
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:01:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Falling Into Syncopation <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: T-Ride Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96a.970812195815.24562E-100000@dante34.u.washington.edu>
Oh yeah, Rob Devereux's Unofficial T-Ride page is now visible through the search engines, for anyone interested in probing about the band. Aside from doing a search at AltaVista, the site address itself is:
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/andrew/usr/rcd/www/t-ride/
Dream Theater rules. No really, I have all their albums, really I do. Plus I can do great LaBrie impressions. I studied with Mike Bahr.
Bafu Vai
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:04:23 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Singing and the Cold Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970812200344.3611C-100000@general2.asu.edu>
Boy, that didn't read like a college textbook, did it?
*grin* ~Eckie ain't yo' Beeotch!
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:09:16 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: shut the fuck up and listen to me for a second!!!!!! Message-ID: <33F1255C.C5636812@caribe.net>
eckie@asu.edu wrote:
> could prolly cover Holy Wars...the Punishment Due in less than a > minute... > > BWAHAHA. So we can count out Metropolis part II, eh? > > ~SepulEckie
whoa!!!! i was actually listening to holy wars at the same moment i read the mail!!!! whoaaaaaa
--
"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com mailto:progboy@mindless.com
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:14:14 -0400 From: "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Progressive today.. my response Message-ID: <33F12685.6C7805A@nh.ultranet.com>
Then there is the question do we want prog to become famous? The answer is both yes and no. Yes because it would be nice to see some great artists earn the money and recognition they deserve. No because it will become watered down like metal was in the 80's and alternative in the 90's (no flames please). One hit wonder prog bands called the Spice Ryches would be on the radio. Prog music is a no win situation today. :(
I wanted to give my opinion on this statement. There are SO many bands out there that have been 1 hit wonders. DT is no exception. I bought the single for Pull me Under in 1992 (I think that was the year) and never bought the album until a friend helped me see the light. Regardless, DT was a one hit wonder. HOPEFULLY they can lose that image. Something that can give me hope in this situation is the song "You not Me" which I was gifted enough to have a sneak listen to. This song is catchy (like pull me under) but has a feel (to me) like some old QR stuff (particularly Empire). Anyways (to sum this up) Yes, DT was a one hit wonder but hopefully WAS will be the keyword! It's a cult following (sure it's a big cult) but regardless it is. Gotta run..... Lata, J
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:21:05 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Bonus? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970813001445.14079A-100000@turing.ime.usp.br>
On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, Marcelo Vanzin wrote:
> Hi there jammanoids!
So, you're still alive. :-)
[question/sentences about FiI bonus tracks deleted] > > And who is talking about a bonus track??? There'll be a BONUS CD with > the japanese edition, and I'll spend all the $40 bucks it'll cost here > to have it! (At least, may I say...)
I think that often these japanese releases aren't worth the money being charged, because they usually offer 1 or 2 extra tracks and the difference in price is more than 10 or 20 dollars. Thinking this way, you can buy some bootle... ops! the forbidden word!
> > 2) stop crying over the fucking price!!! 20$ is nothing!!!!! > > i live in israel,and in order for a cd to arrive here it has to be > > ship through zillion countrys,and a normal cd cost here like 28$!! > > so stop it,will ya???? > > Ok, $20 is nothing, send them to me so... =)
Let's say we share the same viewpoints. :-)
> That's no excuse: we have the same deal here in Brazil, and in addition > we have extremely high import taxes (not sure about CD's, but it's > high), and we can still get US CD's for about $15-$18, and European CD's > for about $18-$25. Only japanese ones are highly overpriced (about $40).
In fact, if you go to the Galleria, you can get almost any CD that one can think of for $20 if it is a bootleg (well, maybe you'll have to spend some minutes visiting some shops) or $25 if it is a rare release. The real problem is that a lot of sellers are taking advantage from the fact that people always go there to find rarities and then they are raising their prices.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:21:22 -0400 From: Jeff DiBartolomeo <jdibart@li.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: shut the fuck up... Message-ID: <v03102802b01696baff70@[10.5.163.106]>
Hay all:
In Jam #2860, omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il said: >> there will not be a bonus tracks to the japanese >> version of FII!!! do you know why?!?!?!? i'll >> tell you!! because the totall run of the normal >> version of the cd is 78 fucking minutes!!! and >> the maximum length of a cd is 79 minutes!! so if >> they wanna have a bonus track they will have to do >> it very very fast,if you know what i mean.....
I think you're wrong, "omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il". I have a copy of the Japanese version of "Awake" and it contains a bonus track of "Eve" on a 3" mini-CD. It seems reasonable that DT could release "Falling Into Infinity" in Japan with a bonus track or two if they used this mini-CD approach again. Wouldn't you agree? Actually, it makes perfect sense because then the label could press a whole run of normal CD's and just insert the Japanase lyric sheet and mini-disc into it, rather than doing separate pressings for Japan.
It's discouraging that a fellow DT fan would tell everyone on the 'Jam to "shut the fuck up." Before you flip out and swear and act crazy, please make sure your facts are straight. We're all excited about FII and bonus tracks, but I guess we all have to wait until the disc is released before we can be sure.
-Jeff
------------------------------------------------------- Jeff DiBartolomeo
"Parallel lives. Running parallel with you. To the point where our horizons divide. My opinion is just a point of view and your position is the other side."
- Fates Warning, 1991 ------------------------------------------------------- Email: jdibart@li.net URL: http://www.li.net/~jdibart/chaos-theory/ -------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:29:24 -0400 From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Change of pace.............. Message-ID: <33F12A14.7218@earthlink.net>
I just read 5 jams worth of the same shit over and over again. I'm posting these because I can't stand to see another jam with 8 posts about Mike Bahr, 3 posts about Brian Cox, 2 posts about Arash, 1 post about no DTC, and .75% post about actual MUSIC!
GO SEE FATES WARNING AS MANY TIMES AS POSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cheers, Carlo (aka Fates) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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