YTSEJAM Digest 2860
Today's Topics:
1) Re: not about Bahr
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
2) Re: the Bahr debate
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
3) Re: Exit 'Jam Left
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
4) Kzoo
by Jason Nixon <dumont@net-link.net>
5) More responses about nonsense
by caber1@concentric.net
6) to mark
by Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com>
7) asdf
by John Happe <jared@home.stlnet.com>
8) Re: more tempo
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
9) You Not Me (Heck, everybody BUT me!)
by "Steven C. Young" <syoung@phnx.uswest.net>
10) shut the fuck up and listen to me for a second!!!!!!
by omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il
11) moderation, Prism Records
by Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
12) Wanted Ytsejam #2857
by caber1@concentric.net
13) Unclassified: Re: shut the fuck up and listen to me for a second!
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2855
by "Kevin Hammer" <tufif_de_siks@hotmail.com>
15) FII bonus tracks, MEGADETH
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
16) Can't we all just get along???
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
17) Singing and the Cold
by Dark Tower <voice@gonzo.wolfenet.com>
18) On MP3 files
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:19:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: not about Bahr
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970812171237.26842A-100000@umbc9.umbc.edu>
On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, Adam Cook wrote:
> Let's see, if you were to make counterfeits of Awake that would be bad
> because you'd be making money on DT's material and they would be receiving
> none. But it's ok for you to bootleg because you're making money on DT's
> material and they're receiving none. Am I missing something?
You're missing the point that DT has given Mike permission to do these
CDs. The creators of this material have okayed it. So there is nothing
wrong with that. They've chosen to give the "sub-par" material to the
die-hards. Since it's their material, they can do whatever the hell they
want with it. I have read in previous jams that some of the DT members
disapprove of bootlegs. Well, if they really had a problem with Mike,
then they would have stopped it long ago.
Brandon
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:21:17 -0400
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: the Bahr debate
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970812172117.00f56c50@pophost.fore.com>
I agree.
KAI
At 10:18 AM 8/12/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>ends now. If you have any questions, complaints, gripes, praise, etc
>>for Mike's project, please mail durnik@indirect.com, NOT the Jam.
>
>No offense, Skadz, but this debate *is* pertinent to the list. If you are
>going to allow Mike a forum here to advertise his business, you can't quash
>discussion of it. It's either a valid topic or it isn't, you can't/shouldn't
>make it okay for him, but off-limits for everyone else.
>
>-----
>
>
>_____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________________
>E-mail: psull@ici.net
>IRC: DDictator
>WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
>NP: Drain STH - "Horror Wrestling"
>______________________________________________________________
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:37:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Exit 'Jam Left
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970812173439.28560A-100000@umbc9.umbc.edu>
On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, Mark Bredius wrote:
> Someone needs to
>
> beat the living shit
> out of you. :) Fucking idiot. :)
I never get these curses followed by smileys. Whenever I see one of these,
I picture Micky Mouse saying "fuck you" to me and then giving me a candy
bar. Why not just say "fucking idiot?" Fuck smileys.
Brandon
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:43:53 -0400
From: Jason Nixon <dumont@net-link.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Kzoo
Message-ID: <33F0D919.1410@net-link.net>
Any 'jammers from the Kalamazoo, MI area?
Jason
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:01:10 -0700
From: caber1@concentric.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: More responses about nonsense
Message-ID: <33F24AC6.2E83@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
> From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
> Subject: Re: Unsound Crap
> The only bad traders I ever encountered on this list were Jeremy Haynes,
> who personally ripped me off of 10 tapes, along with many other jammers;
> and Al B. who supposedly ripped Pat D. off, which was what all the hype was
> about 4 months ago. Pat has since granted Al a full and unconditional
> pardon, and Al hadn't ripped anyone else off, so this situation isn't
> really a good example anyway. What it comes down to is that 99% of jammers
> are trustworthy, and won't rip you off in a tape trade, so your only excuse
> for avoiding it is laziness.
I wasn't around when Jeremy Haynes was here, and, I've never been ripped
off by someone on the jam, let alone the internet. But, I've heard a
*lot* of stories about this. I personally wouldn't want to be ripped
off, does anyone? Most people I've traded with(money, and/or dubs) have
also been careful not to get ripped off, too. I really don't think I'm
or anyone else is lazy because they don't want to be ripped off. Hmm,
let's pull out the old Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary from 1973,
shall we.
Laziness-not easily aroused to action or activity
Yep, I'm not aroused by the thought of trading with Jeremy Hanyes.
That's it! I'm lazy!
John McCabe the unaroused, unsound arguer
caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:52:17 -0500 (CDT)
From: Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: to mark
Message-ID: <199708122152.AA06083@metronet.com>
how the fuck am i stabbing anybody in the back?? all i am doing is
making it known that i had no involvement in the production of these
cd's. i didnt get a penny for it and i had no part of the creation
of it. i would *at the least* liked to have been made aware that mike
was using my recordings. after i gave mike the clones of the 4 holiday
shows i also traded some clones to mike portnoy so the band knows where
the source material came from. if they ever hear the cd they will
assume that i am taping shows and selling them.
that is exactly what i am afraid of happening and is why i posted in the
first place.
mark, if i ever see you at a show or at a ytsecon or something,
you better be prepared to back up your "coxucker" comment.
i cant believe this. mike bahr sells cd's of the same thing i gave away
for free last year and he is a saint and i am a cocksucker...
<><><><><><><><><> Brian V. Cox (lerxst@metronet.com) <><><><><><><><><>
<>rush\dreamtheater\kingcrimson\phish\moe.\toriamos\echolyn\queensryche>
"The man or woman who is insensitive to the spell of this performance
really isn't fit to live in civilized society for it is one of
the wonders of the world" -Frank Granville Barker
<><><><><><><><><>DAT Taper/Trader - Email me for list<><><><><><><><><>
<><><><><><><><><><> http://www.metronet.com/~lerxst <><><><><><><><><><>
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:54:10 -0500
From: John Happe <jared@home.stlnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: asdf
Message-ID: <33F0DB81.38AC@mail.stlnet.com>
I would like to unsubscribe to the jam.
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:09:11 -0400
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: more tempo
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970812180911.00ee3190@pophost.fore.com>
>
>I'm a busy person. I have much better things to do than spend hours
>hunting down rare DT recordings and putting them on CD. Mike Bahr's CDs
>are a deal compared to how much time I'd have to spend making them myself.
>But what's this avbout CD-R? Since when have his CDs been that? All mine
>are pressed CDs except for the PT beta I got at the con.
What would you want for a dubbed copy of that PT beta? What would the
chances be of lending me that CD, and if any, what would it cost me?
KAI
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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 15:24:07 -0700
From: "Steven C. Young" <syoung@phnx.uswest.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: You Not Me (Heck, everybody BUT me!)
Message-ID: <33EE3F87.61A6@phnx.uswest.net>
Does ANYONE have the "You Not Me" sample in .wav format? I just can't
get any of the 800 .mp3 players I've downloaded to work at all. Can
anybody out there throw me a line and E-mail a sample of YNM in .wav
format my way?
Kudos to Tony LaSorsa for calling the radio stations and requesting the
new DT! I think we could all learn from his example. Phoenix-area
'Jammers: Let's start barraging KUPD with requests for this song NOW,
so they know that we're serious, dammit.
-- Steve Young syoung@phnx.uswest.net ******************************************* "Computers can do THAT?!?" -- Homer Simpson------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 97 23:56:07 PDT From: omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: shut the fuck up and listen to me for a second!!!!!! Message-ID: <Chameleon.970813000332.omeraron@>
ok!!! i need to make some of you understand something very very importent,and i hope that finaly someone will understand!!!!!!!!!!!
1)there will not be a bonus tracks to the japanese version of FII!!! do you know why?!?!?!? i'll tell you!! because the totall run of the normal version of the cd is 78 fucking minutes!!! and the maximum length of a cd is 79 minutes!! so if they wanna have a bonus track they will have to do it very very fast,if you know what i mean.....
2) stop crying over the fucking price!!! 20$ is nothing!!!!! i live in israel,and in order for a cd to arrive here it has to be ship through zillion countrys,and a normal cd cost here like 28$!! so stop it,will ya????
p.s. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE PLEASE!!!! TELL ME WERE I CAN GET A YTSEJAM SHIRT?!?!??!??!? NOBODY ANSWERED ME LAST TIME!!!
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:44:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com> To: Just Words <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: moderation, Prism Records Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.970812172121.23333A-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
Please read to the end of this post; info about a poll you may want to participate in lies below.
First, on the topic of the list's moderation:
Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> wrote: > IMO we need to start appreciating this list a bit more, > instead of continuously fucking it up... Also, would it > be possible to restrict posting to *just* those who are > subscribed to the list. [...]
Once again, a vote for this. Also, is it possible to bounce messages with a subject line of "asdf", or, better yet, return a copy of the Ytsejam instructions to the sender?
------ > Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> said: >I agree.
That's helpful. Not.
>>>for Mike's project, please mail durnik@indirect.com, NOT the Jam.
durnik@goodnet.com is his current address. I think indirect still gets to him, though.
>>No offense, Skadz, but this debate *is* pertinent to the list. If you >>are going to allow Mike a forum here to advertise his business, you >>can't quash discussion of it.
Yes he can, he's the moderator. :)
And 'posts about DT boots' are, by definition, related to DT. Posts about the legality, morality, and finances of bootlegging are not.
But, this list belongs to the pos(t)ers, and not to Skadz, so...
..to save Skadz some time, I'll volunteer to sacrifice <Ben Stein> My Inbox </Ben Stein> to a Bahr-boot straw poll. Email me, jw@winternet.com, with the subject
Bahr poll
And say whether or not you approve of his advertising, whether or not you approve of his bootlegging, and, if not, why not. Please keep the 'why' to one line. (I suppose you can include a 'why so' instead of a 'why not', but it's kinda irrelavant to the case at hand.)
One week from today (Tuesday, August 18) I'll mail the results to the jam and to Skadz. Your name will be kept confidential.
--Jay "5 meg quota, 4 gig limit" Omega --NP: Dream Theater - ACOS
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:06:46 -0700 From: caber1@concentric.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Wanted Ytsejam #2857 Message-ID: <33F25A25.7AE0@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
I didn't get jam #2857. Could someone send it over my way?
John McCabe caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:13:29 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Unclassified: Re: shut the fuck up and listen to me for a second! Message-ID: <4A2564F1.007F5BE1.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
Oh yes there will be bonus tracks on the jap FII, if you had read previous jams you would know that these bonus tracks will be a bonus CD, there you go smarty pants. :) I just love it when someone makes an ass of themselves on the jam.
gRaham.
omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il on 13/08/97 08:50:19 AM
Please respond to ytsejam@ax.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com cc: (bcc: Graham Boyle/NRC/HMAS WATSON/NAVY/AU) Subject: shut the fuck up and listen to me for a second!!!!!!
ok!!! i need to make some of you understand something very very importent,and i hope that finaly someone will understand!!!!!!!!!!!
1)there will not be a bonus tracks to the japanese version of FII!!! do you know why?!?!?!? i'll tell you!! because the totall run of the normal version of the cd is 78 fucking minutes!!! and the maximum length of a cd is 79 minutes!! so if they wanna have a bonus track they will have to do it very very fast,if you know what i mean.....
2) stop crying over the fucking price!!! 20$ is nothing!!!!! i live in israel,and in order for a cd to arrive here it has to be ship through zillion countrys,and a normal cd cost here like 28$!! so stop it,will ya????
p.s. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE PLEASE!!!! TELL ME WERE I CAN GET A YTSEJAM SHIRT?!?!??!??!? NOBODY ANSWERED ME LAST TIME!!!
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:59:27 PDT From: "Kevin Hammer" <tufif_de_siks@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2855 Message-ID: <19970812235927.22442.qmail@hotmail.com>
> YTSEJAM Digest 2855 > >Today's Topics: > > 1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2852 > by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> > 2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2844 > by "Blondie Smurf" <cyradis1@hotmail.com> > 3) LURK MODE OFF > by Dave <buster@ee.net> > 4) Another Stone For The Landslide > by "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu> > 5) Fates Warning/Savatage/Bootlegs in General > by "Blondie Smurf" <cyradis1@hotmail.com> > 6) Whatever... > by djw_at_neon@smtpgate.walker.com > 7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2854 > by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> > >----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wow, only 7 posts? is that like a new record or something? hmmm..... lets try to make this simple.
Mike Bahr = good Arash = good imposter = bad flames = bad me = a looser with too much free time :)
any questions? kevin hammer
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:02:54 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FII bonus tracks, MEGADETH Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970812170252.00812970@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 03:50 PM 8/12/97 -0700, Omeraron wrote: >1)there will not be a bonus tracks to the japanese version of FII!!! >do you know why?!?!?!? >i'll tell you!! >because the totall run of the normal version of the cd is 78 fucking >minutes!!! and the maximum length of a cd is 79 minutes!! so if they >wanna have a bonus track they will have to do it very very fast,if >you know what i mean.....
Hello?! Bonus CD, dude. Remember the "Eve" minidisc that came with the import of Awake? I wouldn't mind seeing Raise the Schlong...er...Knife or something on that :)
On a related note, anyone got the Japanese version of Megadeth's "Cryptic Writings" with "One Thing" on it? I've got the MP3 of the song, and it kicks ass, but I'd like to have it on CD too. Thanks. By the way, the Ytsejam rules. :)
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:11:58 -0400 (EDT) From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Can't we all just get along??? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970812201006.6562B-100000@infinite.wezl.org>
Subject says it all...Let's quit bitching about who has/has not screwed who and lets just be fucking YTSEJAMMERS who DT can respect and love! All hail FII the new and soon to be BEST DT album!!!
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:24:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Dark Tower <voice@gonzo.wolfenet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Singing and the Cold Message-ID: <199708130024.RAA12589@wolfenet.com>
Hello, Friends,
It is true that 'speaking' is an emeny to the singer. The reason for this is essentially very simple. Most of us speak from our throats. We are more glottal in our enunciation. Singing - at least good, strong, clear, bright singing - is more resonant, and emanates from the facial masque, JLB understands this well, and employs the technique when he vocalizes. I have come to appreciate, as a student of voice, certain dialects that are naturally more resonant, thus becoming increasingly song-like. More than this, listen to a singer's speaking voice, and often there is a correlation, i.e. Barbara Steisand. The technique can be learned, but some people are idiomatically predisposed to it. And indeed, though it could quickly irritate loved ones, placing the voice on the resonant vowels in a hum like fashion, even if one was not to actually sing, will preserve the voice.
Also, the voice is not an amp, even Sebastian Bach, aka Marshall Mouth, is using a vocal cord and musculature to produce sound. The cold causes muscles to constrict, just as they would standing in the snow waiting for the bus. Professional singers often call this "Vegas Throat" - moving in and out of limos from one show to the next, breathing cold night air before entering a theater or hotel. The principal is like that of exercising. Typically, limbering up the muscle groups, "warming up" will prevent strain or injury. Drinking a cold glass of water in the middle of a set is inviting a physiological response that is not conducive to maintaining a strong, even flow. I would suspect JLB knows this, too. It is requisite knowledge for anyone who has studied classical voice for four years, as he has.
Peter
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:48:44 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: On MP3 files Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970812214459.13762A-100000@turing.ime.usp.br>
On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, Navin Systems wrote:
> Ok well Some people have been complaining about Mp3's not working in > Netscape? This is true. However, you can still play your mp3's correctly > if you do the following: <shift-click> on the desired link to the file. > This will download the file WITH the linefeeds. Once you have the file, > there is a program called "uncook.exe" which is widely available. It > fixes the linefeed problem very quickly. The syntax is as follows : > uncook input.mp3 output.mp3
<NTDC> Well, I've been thinking... Why don't people just zip the mp3 file and put the zipped one for people to download?? This would cause much less trouble (BTW, I have never had any problems with mp3 files; maybe because I use a real *FREE* Operating System) </NDTC>
Hope this helps people putting mp3 files on their homepages to get less traffic, Roger...
P.S.: Otherwise, your system administrator could politely ask you to close your homepage... Why do you think porn sites don't last? -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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