YTSEJAM Digest 2863
Today's Topics:
1) DT license plates, .sig files
by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
2) NDTC - Can anyone do me a small favor?
by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
3) License plates...
by BillB67@ix.netcom.com
4) Re: Bonus?
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
5) Mp3 files
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE>
6) TAB
by Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
7) subject lines suck...
by Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
8) Re: DT license plates
by "Chairface" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
9) Mark Bahr
by Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
10) Mike Bahr's time....
by Steve Chew <schew@tis.com>
11) newsletter
by "D" <zayas@frontiernet.net>
12) Re: Need some addresses
by Stephan and Regina <reginars@mandic.com.br>
13) Sorry!
by Stephan and Regina <reginars@mandic.com.br>
14) Re: Mark Bahr
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 06:23:37 -0500
From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT license plates, .sig files
Message-ID: <33F19939.7564@auburn.net>
> Subject: Bafu / license plates
> Anybody got any more? I think they have to be 8 letters or less,
> at least in NY.
Since I drive a Plymouth Voyager, I think my "YTSEVAN" tag is rather
appropriate :)
> Secondly: if there really must be a sig, is there actually a good reason
> to create those of Dream Theater/Rush/Queensryche lyrics that most people
> here know by heart anyway?
In case anyone hasn't noticed my ongoing series of 37 different George
Carlin .sig files....
-- *********************************************************************** * Mark Peters -- swifty@auburn.net -- Auburn University, Class of '99 * * Ytsejammer, tape trader at http://www.auburn.net/~swifty/index.html * * Progressive tape swap - http://www.auburn.net/~swifty/tapeswap.html * * * * "Why do they put a suicide watch on certain death row prisoners? * * Why would you care if a man you're planning to kill kills himself? * * Does it spoil the fun? I also think about the death row prisoner * * in Texas who, on the day before his execution, managed to take a * * drug overdose. They rushed him to a hospital, saved his life, then * * brought him back to prison and killed him. Apparently, just to * * piss him off." - George Carlin * ***********************************************************************------------------------------
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 06:33:14 -0500 From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NDTC - Can anyone do me a small favor? Message-ID: <33F19B7A.2A2F@auburn.net>
As the subject said, can anyone do me a small favor? My girlfriend turns 24 years old today. Any anonymous "Happy 24th Birthday!" messages sent to Kristi at khillyer@earthlink.net would be much appreciated. I know this is a strange request, but I would really appreciate it because we haven't been getting along as well as we should be lately, and good deeds always reap benefits somehow or another, in the long run :)
Take care, Mark -- *********************************************************************** * Mark Peters -- swifty@auburn.net -- Auburn University, Class of '99 * * Ytsejammer, tape trader at http://www.auburn.net/~swifty/index.html * * Progressive tape swap - http://www.auburn.net/~swifty/tapeswap.html * * * * "Don Ho can sign autographs 3.4 times faster than George Zimbalist * * Jr." - George Carlin * ***********************************************************************
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:03:55 -0500 (CDT) From: BillB67@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: License plates... Message-ID: <19978137632441@ix.netcom.com>
Warning: NMBC Post (No Mike Bahr Content) =P
Some attitional ideas for personalized DT plates...
SILNTMAN COTNAWEB KILLNHND SURRNDED PULMENDR YTSEJAMR YOUNOTME RAZKNIFE
..and of course....
TRASHCAN 8^)
Bill a.k.a. Tazzmann BillB67@ix.netcom.com
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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 09:57:29 -0300 From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Bonus? Message-ID: <33E1DD39.A4743B9E@geocities.com>
Hey there,
> ------------------------------ > From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> > Subject: Re: Bonus? > So, you're still alive. :-)
Yeah, you can take it that way. =)
> I think that often these japanese releases aren't worth the > money > being charged, because they usually offer 1 or 2 extra tracks and the > difference in price is more than 10 or 20 dollars. Thinking this way, > you > can buy some bootle... ops! the forbidden word!
Yeah... But I've heard that Japanese recordings are usually better in quality too... I don't know, but I've been told that. =) Anyway, I think it'd be cool to spend some more money to have it. =)
> In fact, if you go to the Galleria, you can get almost any CD > that one can think of for $20 if it is a bootleg (well, maybe you'll > have > to spend some minutes visiting some shops) or $25 if it is a rare > release. > The real problem is that a lot of sellers are taking advantage from > the fact that people always go there to find rarities and then they > are > raising their prices.
Not to say about the "InstruMENTAL" bootlegs, which are no less than $30... I've seen that they're raising the prices, but I hope they'll settle down and go back to the "golden years". =) Buying a new release, here, for about $15... Whoa. =) Or maybe you can go to Planet Music and spend about $27 in a ordinary album... =)
Now, back to the Japanese CD's... When I bought Savatage's "DWD", there was also a Japanese release with a bonus track (I can't remember the name, but it was surely an "unreleased track" from Streets). Can anyone say something 'bout that track, or if theres somewhere where I can download it?
-- []'s /**********************************************\ |* Marcelo Vanzin *| |* vanzin@geocities.com *| |* http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ *| \**********************************************/
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:33:29 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mp3 files Message-ID: <33F22829.4176@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
I've just zipped all the mp3 files. Now I think there should be no more problems. Hopefully :-) BTW, they are still people (ystejamers) who ask me where they can download these mp3 files (Burning My Soul, Just Let Me Breath and Preuvian Skies).
You can download the files from my PROG OR DIE page:
http://lionel.kr.fh-niederrhein.de/~ashouria/index.htm
Any questions ?
Thank you for you suggestions.
Let Light Surround You Arash Ashouriha
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- | PROG OR DIE - The Progressive Music Page | | | | http://lionel.kr.fh-niederrhein.de/~ashouria/index.htm | | | | by Arash Ashouriha | | | | ashouria@kr.fh-niederrhein.de | --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:46:59 +0200 From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: TAB Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970813114659.00678acc@mail.telepac.pt>
Can anyone send me the complete 'Pull Me Under' guitar tab (preferably from the official scores)?
___ | Pedro Filipe ___ * | * ___ & | * | * | Francisco Miguel *| \ | / |* (FleXable) * | \ /|\ / | * * | \ / | \ / | * * | \ | / | * * * | / \ | / \ | * * | / \|/ \ | * "To: ytsejam@ax.com *| / | \ |* Subject: asdf _|_* | *_|_ Message: unsubscribe DT" * | * _|_ DREAM THEATER
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:11:04 +0200 From: Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: subject lines suck... Message-ID: <33F1B268.9A02F012@algonet.se>
> From: Scarred1@aol.com
there's an aol in germany?
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2848 > > So, to summarize this: Can anybody help me finding some shirt? But please in > a good quality. I don't wanna have a tent after 3 times of washing ;-) >
go to an online shop, like cdnow or something...
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> From: omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il > Subject: shut the fuck up and listen to me for a second!!!!!! >
As someone that lived in Israel a while ago, I would like to say that not all Israelis are like that...they just look fucked up because of their limited grasp of the english language...
> > ok!!! > i need to make some of you understand something very very > importent,and i hope that finaly someone will understand!!!!!!!!!!! > > 2) stop crying over the fucking price!!! 20$ is nothing!!!!! > i live in israel,
STOP mentioning that...
> and in order for a cd to arrive here it has to be > ship through zillion countrys,
a whole one country?
> and a normal cd cost here like 28$!! > so stop it,will ya???? >
bullshit, a normal CD costs $20 there...and if you go to used CD shops you might get even lower prices...
> p.s. > CAN SOMEONE PLEASE PLEASE!!!! TELL ME WERE I CAN GET A YTSEJAM > SHIRT?!?!??!??!? NOBODY ANSWERED ME LAST TIME!!!
excuse me? can you please speak up?
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> From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org> > Subject: Can't we all just get along??? > > > Subject says it all...Let's quit bitching about who has/has not screwed > who and lets just be fucking YTSEJAMMERS who DT can respect and love! All > hail FII the new and soon to be BEST DT album!!!
yeah, let's all post comments containing two words...(ie, "me too", "I agree")....spreading the fucking love all over the jams... -----
> From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> > Subject: On MP3 files > > P.S.: Otherwise, your system administrator could politely ask you to close > your homepage... Why do you think porn sites don't last?
hmm...is this from personal experience? I never noticed that porn sites don't last...
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> From: eckie@asu.edu > Subject: Re: shut the fuck up and listen to me for a second!!!!!! > > YES!!! DREAM THEATER'S GOIN' BALLSY-DEATHMETAL THRASH!!! Hell, they > could prolly cover Holy Wars...the Punishment Due in less than a minute... > > BWAHAHA. So we can count out Metropolis part II, eh?
oh, it was incorporated into YNM...you know, that 3:11-3:12 part...
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> From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch > Subject: fuckin jew > > why don't you just go to a marketplace and wait for a bomb to blow in your > face, huh? > > dumbass > > just get a clue, right?
why don't you just go to the bank and continue assisting the nazis?
/me is going to load some of his favorite mailing utilities...
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:26:26 +0000 From: "Chairface" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT license plates Message-ID: <199708131324.IAA07583@Walden.MO.NET>
> VINDALOO If I saw this one, I'd think it was from a Red Dwarf fan first, then think of DT :).
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:52:18 -0400 From: Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com> To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Mark Bahr Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=bostech%l=CARRIER-970813125218Z-4164@carrier.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
>> 1)there will not be a bonus tracks to the japanese version of FII!!! >> do you know why?!?!?!? >> i'll tell you!! >> because the totall run of the normal version of the cd is 78 fucking >> minutes!!! and the maximum length of a cd is 79 minutes!! so if they >> wanna have a bonus track they will have to do it very very fast,if >> you know what i mean.....
Well, you guys are missing something. We have heard that the new nasty producer has watered things down, right ?? Well, a normal CD is encoded using 16 bits per sample. I figure that with the watering down, they can probably pull it off using only, say, 13 bits per sample. If 16 bits creates a maximum of 80 minutes per disk, then 13 bits would allow for about (getting calculator out) 98.4 minutes. This 13 bit encoding is how they will be able to fit an extra 18 minutes onto the disk (Japanese only).
I bet they tried to get it down to 12 bits per sample (which would have been 26 extra minutes) and just couldn't do it. That is why they didn't even attempt to record Metropolis Part 2 in the studio.
Mark Bahr Patriots Placekicker Emeritus
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:10:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Chew <schew@tis.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mike Bahr's time.... Message-ID: <199708131410.KAA08767@clipper.hq.tis.com>
> > > If anyone's curious, here's my costs as they stand now... > > $4.00 - media. Remember that discs fail, otherwise this would > be less than $3. > $2.50 - packaging. Those slick liners cost money. > $2.00 - shipping, including packet and so on. > $1.50 - Sales tax on all raw materials, since I don't have a > tax ID this is unfortunately necessary. > $3.00 - estimated portion of total equipment costs. > $various - cost for the music itself. Some stuff I got free. > Other stuff I had to buy. I paid over $600 for the > master to Critical Mass, and I'm paying $400 for the > master to E2E. It depends. > $1.00 - total for jewelcase plus assorted misc. such as pens, etc > $1.00 - approx. electricity it takes to make a disc. Remember that > the entire system is powered, plus it's temperature > sensitive so I gotta keep the room at 75' when it's over > 110' outside, plus light, plus monitor, etc. > $2-4 - my take-home pay per disc. If I make 10 discs per day, I > made about as much as the average burger flipper. I do > try to make far more than that on most days. :) > >
Hopefully, this will be my only public comment on this subject. Follow up via private email if it's something you only need to say to me.
I don't know how many of you have had experience doing mail-order, but I've had some. It's amazing how much of the costs and time spent is due to little things. People who were saying that it would only cost a few dollars and would only take a small amount of time obviously haven't had experience doing it. If you have, I'd like to hear how you did it. Doing a single CD or even a few each week is one thing, but doing 10 or more per day starts taking up serious amounts of time and costs quite a bit (as you can see above from Mike's breakdown of his costs).
What I've done below is estimate (given my own experiences) how much time Mike Bahr spends doing each task and then add those times up to get a total time spent per CD. I also emailed this to Mike and he confirmed that my estimates were accurate. These times are just *averages*, so sometimes it will take less time and others it will take more. I've tried to be conservative, so I wouldn't be surprised if it actually took more time. In fact, these times assume that Mike is organzied and disciplined enough to do things very efficiently. If you think these times are inaccurate, try doing it for a few days and let me know how you were able to improve on the times. I think both Mike and I would be interested in how to improve in mail-order efficiency . My estimates on how much time Mike spends:
20 min/day mailing packages (driving, standing in line at post office)
2 min/disc addressing + sealing package (more if shipping addresses aren't computerized and organized).
30 min/day reading and responding (when necessary) to numerous emails.
5 min/disc -- time spent putting discs in recorder, starting recording, removing disc and placing it in jewel case, placing label in jewel case, making sure recording hasn't failed.
40+ hours total to gather material for a disc, digitize it and arrange/mix it properly to prepare it for recording.
5+ hours total to prepare label, talking with artist, and getting copies made and cut them to size.
5 min/order for opening envelopes, making sure the correct amount was paid, putting their return address and order in database.
10 min/day driving to and depositing checks at bank and waiting in lines and getting out money to pay for post office and supplies. This could be less if he went only once per week.
2 min/disc making sure that the persons who have ordered discs have received the ones they ordered, marking this down in database.
Plus time spent looking for the best prices for supplies and making the orders for supplies (and possibly picking them up). And probably other things that I'm forgetting.
If we assume that he sends out about 10 CDs per day then for a release of 250 CDs, we get the following average time spent per disc:
2 min/disc for taking to post office and mailing 2 min/disc for addressing + packaging 3 min/disc for reading/responding to emails 5 min/disc for recording CD 9.5 min/disc for time spent gathering material for CD, digitizing it, arranging/mixing it. 1.2 min/disc for preparing label, talking with artist, getting copies approx 4 min/disc for opening envelopes, making sure amount is correct, putting return address and order in database 1 min/disc for depositing checks at bank. 2 min/disc for making sure that the persons who have ordered discs have received the ones they ordered and checking to see if people who reserved a disc still want them.
Total: 25.7 min/disc
At 10 discs per day, that's 257 minutes/day or 4 hours and 17 minutes.
So, if as Mike claims, he makes $2-$4 per disc, then he makes about $20 - $40 per day. This is $5 - $10 per hour. I'd be willing to bet that he makes more than that at his other job. So, he's obviously not doing this just for the money! He's doing it for the fun of it and he's making money at it because otherwise he couldn't justify the time. How many of you would be willing to spend anywhere near that amount of time *per day* to make CDs for people without profit?? Personally, I appreciate the time and effort that Mike puts into creating these CDs and I'm glad he can make enough of a profit to continue doing it.
Steve schew@tis.com
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:53:31 -0400 From: "D" <zayas@frontiernet.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: newsletter Message-ID: <199708131456.KAA68358@node1.frontiernet.net>
I want you to discontinue sending me this newsletter
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:46:59 -0300 From: Stephan and Regina <reginars@mandic.com.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Need some addresses Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970813114659.006de704@pop-gw.mandic.com.br>
Hi Melissa and Mike,
I wasn't on the list, but I did recently move. Not sure if you sent my {TAPESTRY}/DARKEST OF WINTERS yet, but I thought I should send my new US address (I'm in Brasil now! :):
Stephan Dobay 965 Margaret St Monterey, CA 93940
I sort of lost track of what discs got to me, but that is my current (actually my parent's) address.
Thanks and take care!
Stephan
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 12:11:48 -0300 From: Stephan and Regina <reginars@mandic.com.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Sorry! Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970813121148.006c4d1c@pop-gw.mandic.com.br>
Sorry about sending that to the jam! Mouse is working faster than my brain.
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:28:52 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Mark Bahr Message-ID: <33F1D2B3.D025BB39@caribe.net>
Mark Metzger wrote: Well, you guys are missing something
. We have heard that the new nasty producer has watered things down, right ?? Well, a normal CD is encodedusing 16 bits per sample. I figure that with the watering down, they
> can probably pull it off using only, say, 13 bits per sample. If 16 > bits creates a maximum of 80 minutes per disk, then 13 bits would > allow > for about (getting calculator out) 98.4 minutes. This 13 bit encoding > > is how they will be able to fit an extra 18 minutes onto the disk > (Japanese only). >
i really really really doubt that... because being a producer of "current" bands..he most likely will attempt at good mastering.. 16bit or even 20bit.. because of the awesome sound...clean crisp.. etc... by watering down songs.(if so..) they mean cuttin up what they think is repetitive, useless or whatever... it doesnt mean to lower the sound quality of the disc.. even then.. Vais firegarden is 20bit mastered and is about 78 min long right?
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