YTSEJAM Digest 2890
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Songs for GF's/Ibanez Universe
by "Christian Albert Schulze a.k.a. KillMary" <caschulze@mindspring.com>
2) YtseJAM
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
3) I hope you like jammin' too
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
4) Fates and that....
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
5) Re: Subscribe
by "Iumentum" <alnygaar@online.no>
6) Fates-Parallels
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
7) misheard Lyric -- Enchant
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
8) Fates Warning
by Doug Cronkhite <dougc@staff.cerf.net>
9) Re: Fates Warning
by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
10) Re: Fates Warning
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
11) Symphony X
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@netvision.net.il>
12) Re: Symphony X
by Rick Audet <Ytse@cris.com>
13) Re: Ibanez Universe
by James Bako <jbako@intercall.com>
14) NFWC
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:32:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Christian Albert Schulze a.k.a. KillMary" <caschulze@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Songs for GF's/Ibanez Universe
Message-ID: <199708211832.OAA15159@brickbat9.mindspring.com>
>~Christian Eckie
No way, Eckie. You're You, Not Me.
:-)
~Christian.
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:05:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YtseJAM
Message-ID: <199708211905.OAA27459@enteract.com>
> From: "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
> Subject: Marillion and my new cds
>
> I'm getting sick of your attitude. I've been on this list for years and
> we've all noticed you always have to point out that anybody who (god
> forbid) doesn't like Marillion must have A.D.D. or doesn't have a true
> opinion. Get it through your head, Marillion is a preferred taste and I
> think they're boring as hell.
I understand where you're coming from. I think Itchy gets a bit
defensive when people dislike Marillion (to the point of sounding very
caustic) but he's actually a really cool guy. It's sort of like someone
(Syrinx?) writing and insulting Ray Alder's voice... I get angry. If you
don't like it, and just state your case as such, you shouldn't be put down
for it. I personally have tried to listen to Marillion and have failed to
enjoy it really. I only have Brave, and supposedly their earlier stuff is
a lot better, but to me, Brave is like a valium. I've spent over 10 hours
of dedicated listening to the album, but I can't get into it. That means
it's great background music for a party or whatever, because it won't take
away from a conversation, but it won't keep me interested if I'm listening
to it specifically.
> From: "Kevin Hammer" <tufif_de_siks@hotmail.com>
> Subject: How to buy 7 strings, an introductory guide.
>
> >Um..for you guys who own ibanez universes or rg's 7 string...
> >how do you buy strings for it???? ...like..I need to know all of
> >this..im planning on buying a Universe
> >
> What I do is first buy a pack of whatever strings you normally use (I
> prefer 9's), then go to a guitar shop that sells individual strings
> (most around here do) and just buy one really heavy guage string
> (52-56).
Too add my $.07, I'd say to buy a set of D'Addario 9's and buy a
56 guage for the bottom. That's what John Petrucci does. I use 10's and
a low 62 double wound guitar string at the bottom, because I want my
strings tight. I prefer GHS Nickel Rockers in this setting, but if you're
going to use 9's I wouldn't recommend anything but D'Addario on a 7
string. Why? Because I know that works perfectly, and all of my friends
who own 7 strings always come back to that setup eventually, or do like me
and block off the Trem for the big as 10's.
> You should buy Jim Matheos' solo cd (not to be confused with
> Mr. SubtleRage's work by the same title) "First Impressions."
That's as close to liking Fates Warning as Subtlerage will ever
get... Andy: you WILL like this album. Very Hedges-esque at times.
I'd also recommend Passion, Grace and Fire by John McLaughlin, Al
DiMeola, and Paco DeLucia as some cool music. ANYTHING by Al DiMeola is
going to have some groundbreaking acoustic pickwork somewhere along the
line.
For fans of moving instrumental acoustic music, check out Michael
Hedges _Aerial Boundaries_, _Oracle_, or _Breakfast in the Field_, and
check out Billy McLaughlin's _Fingerdance_. Great work. Also, feel free
to pick up a couple of those various artists cds from Narada, Windham
Hill, etc, with titles like "The Art of Fingerstyle Guitar" etc. That's
always a cool way to find some new leads to follow to some great new cds.
> From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
> Subject: Re: How to buy 7 strings, an introductory guide.
> so theres no such thing as a 7 string pack ...like..made for the
> universe or something..ive always thoug that ibanez did that for some
> reason or other hehe
Nope. No one does. I have this basically made for me through
GHS. I order bulk sets of 10's and have em throw in the 62.
--Chris Ptacek at EnterAct, L.L.C -- (773) 248 8511 http://www.enteract.com (business) http://www.prognosis.com/madsman/ (my contribution to --------------------------------- the vast wealth of "To err is human... to suck out | underdeveloped one's brain with an orally | web sites) deployed flesh tube is not."-MS| **************** ---------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:17:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I hope you like jammin' too Message-ID: <199708211917.OAA29498@enteract.com>
> To the guy who saw the Ibanez Universe for $1500. Don't get it!!! Get the > Ibanez RG 7-String. I saw it in a store by me for $899 AND it looks nicer > too.
Look should never be an element in the choice of a guitar. It should be playability and sound. In my opinion, the Universe is superior in both of these realms, as well as look. That's personal preference, to a point. Regardless, you're better off paying $899 for a NEW RG7 than you are paying $1500 for a Universe (unless it's one of the rare older Universes, like the swirl or the new Black and Chrome UV that's not out yet).
> From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt> > Subject: IBANEZ > > Pedro (now wondering how to pronounce IBANEZ)
There are two correct pronounciations for this brand. "Eye Buh Nez" or "I Been Had". The correct pronounciation depends fully on which store you purchased the guitar at. --
Chris Ptacek at EnterAct, L.L.C -- (773) 248 8511 http://www.enteract.com (business) http://www.prognosis.com/madsman/ (my contribution to --------------------------------- the vast wealth of "To err is human... to suck out | underdeveloped one's brain with an orally | web sites) deployed flesh tube is not."-MS| **************** ---------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:19:23 -0400 From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fates and that.... Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-970821191923Z-926@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
Steve wrote...
>> >>I'd suggest "Space Dye Vest", too, at least the intro. >> > Yes, I'd agree on suggesting "Space Dye Vest" -- I know some >non-proggers who like that song. I'd also suggest a few Jethro Tull >songs, such as "Jack-a-Lynn", "Wondering Aloud", or other acoustic >type songs by them. I also think Marillion's "Misplaced Childhood" >would be a good starting place since it has some great melodies and >isn't too heavy or harsh.
Coincidentally, I happen to be listening to "Misplaced..." at this time. I agree - I've managed to hook several of my ex - girlfriends on this album. The subject matter seems to help... :)
>> >>Try "21st Century Schizoid Man" from the first King Crimson album. If she >>doesn't run away, you may be able to make some headway. Musically, that is. >>:) >> > About 7 years ago, I knew this woman I had just met was very >special when she played Marillion's "Misplaced Childhood" for me >followed by Pink Floyd's "Animals". And! She enjoyed it when I played >Jethro Tull's "Aqualung" (the whole album) and even King Crimson's >"Indiscipline" and "21st Century Schizoid Man". :-) > > And the best part is, everything else about her is just as >wonderful! Which is why I married her. :-)
Where do you find women like this? Lately I seen to end up with the country music types... :)
Graham wrote...
>> Subject: Acoustic songs for girlies >> >> Here's my contribution to the how-can-I-turn-my-girlfriend-onto- >> metal-and-get-into-her-panties thread: [snip] I've done two compilations >> for my car > >Why on earth are you trying to turn your car onto metal? I would've >thought it would be quite fond of the stuff already.
Ahh, but he's trying for HEAVIER metal, like say Uranium. Maybe it will improve accident survivability... :)
Eck! (woah, excuse me!) wrote..
>Getting girlfriends into prog, eh? Well...Type O Negative may not be >considered prog in some eyes, but if you can get them to like "My >Girlfriend's Girlfriend," I'll tip my hat to ya!
I'll REALLY tip my hat to ya if you can get her to adopt that lifestyle... :)
CGH74 wrote... > >please stop mailing me this stuff!!!
No. > >
Chris "The Meter Man" Oates wrote...
>WFS. In terms of (oh god, here he goes again) meter, WFS is a much more
PUT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOUR HEAD AND BACK AWAY FROM THE THEORY BOOK. NOW.
Chris Ptacek soliloquized...
>The next two albums are more streamlined progressive metal, with a >commercial feel. That doesn't mean that they're sell out sounding, it >just means that they use a lot of catchy sounding melodies, and a lot of >vocal harmonies. The albums, _Parallels_ and _Inside Out_, are definitely >those I would recommend as the first albums to buy from Fates Warning. If >you don't like either of these, there's not much more you can do. You are >just not a Fates Warning fan, in all likelihood (this excludes people who >liked Fates up to this point, but hate everything after... people who I >think are deranged...). _Parallels_ features the title track of the >album, which just friggin' RIPS, and _Inside Out_ has one of my favorite >Fates songs ever, Monument.
I agree with those songs, but I think the albums as a whole go downhill in strength - a trend reversed with APSoG. Fates has evolved so much that it's certainly possible to like the older stuff and not the newer... > >Next came _Chasing Time_, which is pretty much a "best of". I don't think >they chose all of the best songs, but a lot of em are there. If you are >willing to give the band a fair shot, this could be the ideal starting >album, since it features music from all of their periods. If you like the
I would agree with this. In fact, I bought it just so I could have all of those songs on one CD for the car - I really could have cared less about the "unreleased" stuff. Getting "Quietus" by itself was worth the price of admission, although it's hard to have a Fates best of without "Nothing Left To Say"...
>I've also heard the argument that Ray Alder seems to just sing in no >direction... like he's hitting pitches, but not following a melody. That >is a mistake in listening. Some of the vocal melodies are extremely >complex, and may weave around before they repeat, but they DO repeat. >If you don't like the melody that they become, then that's fine, but there >is no mistaking that there is a lot of melody there. I think Ray's got >about the best voice in all of progressive metal music. He has the range >of a young Geoff Tate, the stage presence of Bruce Dickenson meets Rob >Lowe (that's his real name) from Solitude Aeturnus, and an incredible and >unique style. Feel free to disagree.
A drummer I used to play with made this statement about Ray circa No Exit - Symmetry: "He uses his voice like some kind of wild instrument in the music, rather than like a normal singer"
I've always agreed with that statement. Maybe that's why I didn't like Parallels and Inside Out as much - he sings more conventionally on those two, IMNSHO.
> >Lastly, I need to reitterate for those of you who are considering buying >APSoG and aren't too familiar with Fates: the album is meant to be heard >as one piece. There are parts of the song that will sound completely >pointless and out of place if not considered in the context of the whole >musical picture. There are parts of the song that will put you to sleep >if you listen without thinking about the music. And there are parts that >will rip you in half!
I agree - ignore the fact that the CD is divided into 12 parts. It only works in the context of the whole...
> >Take care, and please, DISCUSS!
Well, all right. You twisted my arm! :)
Having been a Fates fan since Spectre, I've enjoyed seeing the band change over the years, and they've produced some superior music. I recommend the band to anyone who will take the time to listen.
Mike
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:26:06 +0200 From: "Iumentum" <alnygaar@online.no> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Subscribe Message-ID: <199708211927.VAA05027@online.no>
>Subscribe >Leonard Berkoski III >Allied Signal, Scientific Instruments System Engineer >Hubble Space Telescope Project
Suddenly i understand all the problems with the hubble telescope... :)
Alexander
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:48:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fates-Parallels Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970821154101.10407F@bdmserver>
Mike of Division wrote: >I've never understood everyone's love of this CD - I like it, but I >think at least four of the other Fates releases are miles better. >Symmetry, Guardian, Exit, and APSoG are all much better albums, IMNSHO. >In fact, I was horribly disappointed with Parallels as a follow - up to >Symmetry, and refused to listen to it AT ALL for six months.
I think that the order that you get cds plays a part in which one you like better. I ended up getting Parallels first (thanks to the late 103.1 The Underground's regularly playing the song "Eye To Eye"). I didn't buy any other Fates cds until I found DT... Then I ended up getting all the Fates cds. Spectre is a great cd, but Parallels was first (sorta like your first love). I would probably say that I would like Spectre better if I had heard that cd first. Who knows...
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:46:39 -0700 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: misheard Lyric -- Enchant Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970821124631.00708c2c@cats.ucsc.edu>
So, today I had Blueprint of the World in the CD player in preparation for the show friday, and you know that line in Catharsis "I see the fixed mark in the mirror"? Well, guess what I heard?
"I see the pigs fart in the mirror"
ah well. Need more caffeine I guess.
__ /\ __ Chris Oates: aspect@cats.ucsc.edu __\/__\/__ +---- \_||_/ | This space under construction. | /__||__\ | Looking for something new to say here ... | // \ | \\ ----+ \| http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:17:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Cronkhite <dougc@staff.cerf.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fates Warning Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.970821131420.19929A-100000@staff.cerf.net>
Just saw Fates last night. Very cool show. Opened with PSOG, the entire thing. Very cool. Kevin Moore is touring with Fates and is basically playing all of Frank Aresti's parts. Next was Monument, as well as a various songs off of Parallels. Did a VERY cool rendition of 11th Hour.
Overall a good Fates show. Not great since they didn't go any further back than Parallels at all. I was bummed about that.. Really wanted to hear stuff from ATG and No Exit. Oh well.. Good to see they haven't given up though..
Doug Cronkhite
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:35:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Fates Warning Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95L.970821162905.8785A-100000@unix20.andrew.cmu.edu>
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Doug Cronkhite wrote:
> > Just saw Fates last night. Very cool show. Opened with PSOG, the entire > thing. Very cool. Kevin Moore is touring with Fates and is basically > playing all of Frank Aresti's parts. Next was Monument, as well as a > various songs off of Parallels. Did a VERY cool rendition of 11th Hour.
That's not Kevin Moore, it's Ed Roth (I think). > > Overall a good Fates show. Not great since they didn't go any further back > than Parallels at all. I was bummed about that.. Really wanted to hear > stuff from ATG and No Exit. Oh well.. Good to see they haven't given up > though..
In '94, they played Guardian. That was amazing. I'm not sure the older material would sound right with keys instead of guitar, so I'm glad I caught them back then. Life in Still Water and Monument sounded all right in Cleveland, apart from the keyboard solos (which may have been OK, but I couldn't tell because they were too quiet) but Eleventh Hour sounded kind of weird. It still rocked my world because Ray is the best singer on earth, but I wonder if the lack of guitar might make an even bigger difference if they tried to play things from, say, symmetry on back.
-maximilian
Anton Max MadMax+@cmu.edu http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:12:23 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Fates Warning Message-ID: <33FCBD46.F17005C2@caribe.net>
Doug Cronkhite wrote:
> Just saw Fates last night. Very cool show. Opened with PSOG, the > entire > thing. Very cool. Kevin Moore is touring with Fates and is basically > playing all of Frank Aresti's parts.
wha wha wha what?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.. wanst Ed roth doing that???? Does ed roth look like KevMo ???
> "At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur.
The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com mailto:progboy@mindless.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ):1254229
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:58:43 +0300 From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@netvision.net.il> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Symphony X Message-ID: <33FCAC03.6A2F@Netvision.net.il>
Can anyone tell me when can I find a site where I can listen to Symphony X sound samples, or at least a Symphony X site...
Thanx,
Shai
-- "Yauza Yauza Yauza...." - Frank Zappa "You say you want everyone happy. Well, we're not laughing..." - John Petrucci, "Scarred"
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:18:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@cris.com> To: Spoonfed Music Theory Slackfest <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Symphony X Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970821191358.2610C-100000@viking.cris.com>
Shai Yallin wrote:
> Can anyone tell me when can I find a site where I can listen > to Symphony X sound samples, or at least a Symphony X site...
I believe Dr. Mosh has "The Eyes of Medusa" on his site in mp3 format, which is located at http://www.gmsnet.com/progmetal
Now Playing: David Fiuczynski/John Medeski "Lunar Crush"
Rick Audet
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:23:01 -0700 From: James Bako <jbako@intercall.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Ibanez Universe Message-ID: <33FCF805.4D2A@intercall.com>
Carlos A. Alfaro wrote: > > Christian Albert Schulze a.k.a. KillMary wrote: > > > Dori Tritt said: > > > To the guy who saw the Ibanez Universe for $1500. Don't get it!!! > > Get the > > >Ibanez RG 7-String. I saw it in a store by me for $899 AND it looks > > nicer > > >too. > > > > IMO the Universe has a better sound. And IMO also, a better sound is > > where > > it's at :-) > > thats right.. the RG7 string is an affordable version of a 7 strin > guitar...hence the pickups are cheaper.. and i dont know about other > features..
I've tried the RG-7 and Universe, and there really is no comparison. If you really want it that badly, spend the extra money on the Uni.
btw, I don't recall which guitar mag it was, but in the new gear section of that mag they had a section on Ibanez' expansion of the 7-string line. Besides the RG series, there are two more 7-string models going into production: 1. a jazz-guitar model ($1500-2000) of the likes that George Benson and Pat Metheny are currently using, and 2. An acoustic (!!!!!) model, priced at about $1200.
James Bako jbako@intercall.com
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:15:42 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NFWC Message-ID: <199708220015.RAA28551@gms.gmsnet.com>
No Fates Warning Content...
I LIED
Fates Warning, San Diego... Canes... 8/20/97
Fuck the opening bands, who gives a shit anymore... heheh... if it ain't a prog opening band... fuckem...
The crowd was awesome... sang along, really got into it... was cheering their heads off... probably about 300 in the club...
The whole band was on as usual...
Met Mike Kizer... cool dude... haven't met a jammer who wasn't cool.. yet... heheh
-The Doc
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