YTSEJAM Digest 2891
Today's Topics:
1) Warning of Fates, and George Farber is...
by caber1@concentric.net
2) Fates Warning Jamboree.
by "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
3) Windham Hill music
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
4) Re: Fates Warning Jamboree.
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
5) DT CDs for sale
by "Matt Wilson" <Dreamline.7466@worldnet.att.net>
6) Roland VK-7 and JP-8000
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
7) Fates Warning
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
8) Re: Fates Warning
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
9) neil peart
by Thrak75@aol.com
10) universe
by Thrak75@aol.com
11) Re: Warning of Fates, and George Farber is...
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
12) Re: This and that...
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
13) ACOS Project Part 1 Finished...Will the Following Mail me...
by "Brandon Vaughn" <bvaughn@snowhill.com>
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:36:20 -0700
From: caber1@concentric.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Warning of Fates, and George Farber is...
Message-ID: <33FCFB23.2AC5@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
> From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
> Subject: Fates Warning (Listen up, Vinnie!)
&
> Subject: Fates Warning Continued
[adam cook voice]I've been waiting for someone to post about this!(j/k
adam :)
Okay, I can't talk about the Arch era, because I've only heard 3 songs
from it. So, I'll talk about the Alder era stuff.
> John Arch was replaced with an untrained kid
> vocalist named Ray Alder,
Untrained? I thought Ray was some opera singer, right?
> They went to work on a
> new and very progressive album, No Exit. Featuring several shorter
> progressive metal songs with a hard edge (a cross between Metallica
> and Queensryche at times) and the epic Ivory Gate of Dreams, this album is
> the basis on which many bands have built their sound.
The one thing you don't bring up is the lyrics. I know I'm not the only
one on this list that listens to NE just for the lyrics. The lyrics only
get better, too!
> They followed the album up with many peoples' favorite Fates album,
> _Perfect Symmetry_, which is about as progressive as you can get, without
> a metropolis middle section. Some people say it sounds like they were
> trying too hard... that's something I can not understand... it all sounds
> ideal to me.
I can see where some people are coming from with that statement. If you
listen to Nothing Left To Say. That first minute or so has one "feel,"
and then it turns around into another "feel." I really like that song.
But when I first got this CD, the only other prog bands I had heard were
DT(only Awake and ACoS), and Savatage. This CD blow me away, to say the
least! :) [I had Chasing Time but I didn't really get into any one song
off of that]
> The song At Fates Hands features some nifty keyboard work
> (Kevin Moore, I believe played all of the keys on this song. I'm not
> positive on that, but on a later all instrumental release called "At
> Fates Fingers, I am SURE it was Kevin Moore, and the parts sound very
> similar) and a winding intrumental section (much more dark and melodic
> than a Metropolis).
The liner notes say that the keyboards were done by Kevin Moore, so...
While Parallels does sound "commercial" it is still great! I think the
lyrics on this album as a whole are the best overall. This CD is in my
mind a concept album. All the songs relate. I don't mean
musically(though maybe they do, and I'm missing it), but lyrically they
all deal with the same ideas. They deal with moving on(friendships,
agruments, etc.). I don't know if Matheos meant to do this, or if these
are just the thoughts that were going on in his head at the time. BTW,
Matheos does all the lyrics on this one, something that won't happen
again until APSoG...
Inside Out, I know Ray Alder feels this is a step back for the band.
But, I think they just perfected their sound on this album! Monument is
such a great song. There's even an acoustic guitar solo for ya! :) I
think lyrical they may have taken a step back album wise. But there are
some songs that have better lyrics than on Parallels. One of these
being, MONUMENT! I seriously love this song. The album is better
arranged than Parallels, too. The album ends with Afterglow. Very light
sounding song.
> _Parallels_ features the title track of the
> album, which just friggin' RIPS, a
Question time: Did I get ripped off? I have a song called Parallels.
What "title track" are you talking about?
> If you can't appreciate Ray Alder's voice, then skip Fates
> Warning (please don't post to tell everyone that Ray Alder can't sing,
> because I'll probably over react, and go off on my "Ray Alder is THE BEST
> VOCALIST IN THE WORLD" tangent).
Okay, I know I'm going to get FW topics banned from the jam by doing
this but...People say they can't stand when Ray holds a note in the
middle of a measure, and ends the measure with a really short note. They
say this isn't a melody or something. I've question to those people,
please tell me who defined melody. Or at least give me the music theory
definition of a melody. Maybe this is one of those agruments like all
6/8 measures sound the same. Anyway, don't back up your reasoning by
saying that it doesn't sound right. You have to *prove* that it isn't a
melody.
> The song is meant to be
> heard all the way through, and is meant to be experienced (meaning, don't
> listen to it unless you have time to listen to it, and are willing to
> LISTEN to it... don't skip through looking for solos or speed metal parts,
> etc...)
I agree with these directions. The only thing I don't like are the
lyrics. I just can't figure out them out. :( I think this is FWs new
direction. I really can't wait to see what they do with their next
album. Especially since they now have a keyboardist instead of a 2nd
guitarist.
> Also, it has seemed to me that the majority of people who say Fates is
> "boring" are into METAL. Not Progressive. Maybe Progressive METAL, but
> not Progressive.
What do you mean by progressive? ;-)
> He has the range
> of a young Geoff Tate, the stage presence of Bruce Dickenson meets Rob
> Lowe (that's his real name) from Solitude Aeturnus, and an incredible and
> unique style. Feel free to disagree.
Hmm, I don't know anything about singing, or vocal melodies. But, I
usually like the singers that are bashed on the jam. :) I find them
doing very "interesting" things with their voices. That means they don't
just do one style. Hmm, style isn't the word I'm really looking for.
More like different sounding. But I don't mean the voice itself sounds
different just that it's more than one type of singing. I don't know how
to say it really, sorry.
--- And I was going through a guitar mag(Guitar World?) and they had an interview with Primus! Hehe, yep another Primus quote![I don't have the mag so this is a loose quote]Gmag: Primus sounds like it's been influenced by fusion and progressive music.
Larry LaLonde:Ugh! I hate progressive rock guitarists. They are so snobbish. I just wish they would just all DIE!!!
Ler is George Farber!! ;-)
John McCabe caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:05:01 -0600 From: "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fates Warning Jamboree. Message-ID: <199708220111.SAA02504@odin.ax.com>
> Let me start off with a few comments (not flames). Tears by Rush, Wait >For Sleep by none other than the masters themselves... what do these two >and some of the other songs on the list have in common? They are NOT >prog songs,
Wait for Sleep NOT prog? Check yer time sigs, that one was a trmendous bitch to get right. 5/8 to 6/4 to 4/8 and so on about every other measure. I usually don't have a problem with time sigs, but that one took a bit to figure out. :) Just because it don't rock don't deprog it. :)
>> goats. What a bummer. >> </rant>
>like the "Can't take the piss I substituted for you milk and now your >Cheerios taste funny. " Not bad..:> But.. um... it is kinda hateful.
Yeah, sorry about that, too. My mom's been varnishing stuff lately and I can't seem to think in anything other than incoherent thoughts. It kinda nice, though. I hear Tom Petty songs the way I think I was meant to now.
Anyway, I went to see the Fates Warning concert at the Cassia County Jamboree last night and it was pretty cool. Mark was wearing a cowboy hat and looked like he'd been farmin all day, cuz he had a smelly brown substance all over his boots. Ray was wearing a shirt that said, "Little Bunny Fufu, I love you." Jim seemed to be in better spirits than I expected, probably due to my Uncle Bill tanking him up on Jim Bean earlier that evening. They played Parts I thru IX of APSOG and played Monument, Bootscoot Boogie, Pale Fire, and I Thought It Was You. They went on to play Metropolis as an encore.
Everything was great. Jim kind of slopped a few solos but that was to be expected, Mark couldn't play as well (because of the boots, I think), and Ray was right on pitch. Joey played a fretless through most of the night, but played banjo during Monument which I thought was pretty cool. KevMo's hair's grown out a bit since his shaving, but otherwise is doing fine. I met him after the show and he said that they removed all of the cancer fine, but had to have his left 'nad amputated. (Ow!) Anywho, he was a damn kewl sight to see. I had him sign my A Change of Seasons CD and bought him a drink. Anyway, the surprise of the evening was when Doug Stone joined Ray to sing "I Thought It Was You." Anyway, Jim really plays a mean pedal steel guitar. After the show was over there was a rodeo competition. Amazingly, Mark Z. took home the honors, staying on his 8 seconds 3 times straight. Anyway, after the show, I met up with the guys and scored a PRS guitar from Jim. It was a kewl night. Sorry, I forgot to tell you about it, woot. :)
Later! KorgX3 KorgX3@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:06:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Windham Hill music Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970821230114.23008A-100000@umbc10.umbc.edu>
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Christopher Ptacek wrote:
> For fans of moving instrumental acoustic music, check out Michael > Hedges _Aerial Boundaries_, _Oracle_, or _Breakfast in the Field_, and > check out Billy McLaughlin's _Fingerdance_. Great work. Also, feel free > to pick up a couple of those various artists cds from Narada, Windham > Hill, etc, with titles like "The Art of Fingerstyle Guitar" etc. That's > always a cool way to find some new leads to follow to some great new cds.
I'd also like to add William Ackerman to the list of instrumental acoustic music. This man is just awesome. Very laid back music (no balls and chunk here), but it's some of the most beautiful music I've ever heard. My brother, who has many acoustic CDs told me a year ago that Hedges and Ackerman have a similar sound. But I've had a really tough time getting into Michael hedges. Although I listened to "aerial boundaries" over and over again about two weeks ago and it's kinda growing on me so I'll probably pick it up.
Brandon
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:12:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Fates Warning Jamboree. Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970821231030.23769A-100000@umbc10.umbc.edu>
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Korg Eksthrey wrote:
> substance all over his boots. Ray was wearing a shirt that said, "Little > Bunny Fufu, I love you."
Hehe. I skimmed this sentence and first read it as "Ray was wearing a shirt that said, 'little Funny Bafu, I love you.'" :)
Brandon
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:52:06 -0400 From: "Matt Wilson" <Dreamline.7466@worldnet.att.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT CDs for sale Message-ID: <19970822035530.AAB21300@matt>
Hi Ytsejammers: I have the following DT (and related) CDs for Sale
1. Instrumental 1-The 1987 Recordings-$30.00 This CD contains pre-WDADU instumental tracks a few of which made it onto the WDADU album.
2. Rising Power w/Mike Portnoy-$20.00 Recorded circa 1984-1985. Standard Metal sound of that era, decent sounding CD. Mike was born to play drums!
E-mail me at Dreamline.7466@worldnet.att.net Thank You.
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:57:28 -0700 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Roland VK-7 and JP-8000 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970821205722.0069f234@cats.ucsc.edu>
Any keyboard-oriented jammers out there ever play on these units? Not looking for reviews, I love em both, just want to share some experiences like our fellow guitarists do with their instrument of choice.
__ /\ __ Chris Oates: aspect@cats.ucsc.edu __\/__\/__ +---- \_||_/ | This space under construction. | /__||__\ | Looking for something new to say here ... | // \ | \\ ----+ \| http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 00:04:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fates Warning Message-ID: <199708220404.AAA27203@umbc10.umbc.edu>
habla "woot":
> that's how i pronounce it too, but it is actually supposed to be > pronounced: > > EE - BON - YES with the stress on the middle syllable.
I don't see a tilde over that "n." Shouldn't it be:
ee as in...you know, "E" ban as in "Han" as in "Han Solo" es as in...you know, "S
?
One of the "Chris"s said:
> Lastly, I need to reitterate for those of you who are considering buying > APSoG and aren't too familiar with Fates: the album is meant to be > heard as one piece. There are parts of the song that will sound > completely pointless and out of place if not considered in the context > of the whole musical picture. There are parts of the song that will put > you to sleep if you listen without thinking about the music. And there > are parts that will rip you in half!
I must agree with most everything you said, but especially this. The thing I love the most about this song is that there IS NO EXTRANEOUS MATERIAL, a point at which MOST MOST MOST progressive composers writing epic songs miss the boat. Everything you hear on this CD belongs there. There is nothing that was written a long time ago that got thrown on there because Jim thought it would just "be cool." (ie, DT's "Erotomania") This song is so far beyond trying to be cool or trying to be prog. Queensryche's "Promised Land" touches me so deeply that I can't listen to it anymore. APSoG touches me so deeply that I can't NOT listen to it. I can't remember the last time I even wanted to listen to anything else.
My g/f didn't care for APSoG when I first let her borrow it. Then, on our way back from vacation this year I put it on in the car (captive audience!). Now she thinks it's really good. "Where WAS I the first time I heard this?" she said. :)
Steve Z
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 00:29:31 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Fates Warning Message-ID: <33FD15AB.22EC5100@caribe.net>
Steve Zebrowski wrote:
> habla "woot": > > > that's how i pronounce it too, but it is actually supposed to be > > pronounced: > > > > EE - BON - YES with the stress on the middle syllable. > > I don't see a tilde over that "n." Shouldn't it be: > > ee as in...you know, "E" > ban as in "Han" as in "Han Solo" > es as in...you know, "S > > ?
well it depends..if youre saying it as if you were reading the spanish word..then it would be (without tilde) E-ban-s with the strain on the ban syllable...if it were to have the tilde then it would be E-ban-yes and of course.. I-ban-s
"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com mailto:progboy@mindless.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ):1254229
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 00:39:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Thrak75@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: neil peart Message-ID: <970822003954_1780954868@emout17.mail.aol.com>
today at my law school orientation, i ran into someone who informed me that neil peart's daughter recently died in an accident of some sort. any confirmation to this rumor?
ytsegoon (no sig b/c he's using aol from a remote place)
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 00:43:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Thrak75@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: universe Message-ID: <970822004259_117653621@emout05.mail.aol.com>
..........is a lot better than any other 7 string ibanez can make. period. it sounds better, looks better, gosh darnit, it goes with my favorite set of underwear.
seriously, why kid yourself with a toy 7 string guitar when you can have the universe?
ytsegoon
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:37:18 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Warning of Fates, and George Farber is... Message-ID: <19970822034345.AAB24712@sni.pananet.com>
> While Parallels does sound "commercial" it is still great! I think the > lyrics on this album as a whole are the best overall. This CD is in my > mind a concept album.
this brings up a question. Why is YOU always writeen in capital letters in the lyrics. Is there a meaning behind that?
> Okay, I know I'm going to get FW topics banned from the jam by doing > this but...People say they can't stand when Ray holds a note in the > middle of a measure, and ends the measure with a really short note. They > say this isn't a melody or something.
Well, I don't know about the people that were talking about 'melody'. All I know is that it bugs the hell out of me. 'anyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyymoooooooooooore'. I don't know. It just sounds unnatural to me. That has nothing to do with the melody. It just messes up the flow of the lyrics (for me).
misheard lyric:
you know that part in 'Wanna get Close to You': "I'm like a hungry criminal.."
what do I here?
"I'm like a hungry cum-lord"
haha:P
..and i'm sure Mike Bahr would agree, Ernie
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:29:43 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: This and that... Message-ID: <19970822034345.AAA24712@sni.pananet.com>
> > If you give their albums half a chance, you'll probably love them. > > Listen to it LOUD with the lights OFF, btw. It helps. > > I swear, I play Marillion for people and they say - "well, this is kind > of mellow" - and then I crank it up and the transformation is AMAZING. > If you listen to M quietly, you lose some of the dynamics, and a lot of > the power, of the songs. I _knew_ I wasn't the only one who felt this > way... :)
Actually, I've noticed this helps with a lot of CD's I couldn't get into. Hearing music loud makes really pay attention to it...and you might hear something you've been missing.
> And the best part is, everything else about her is just as >wonderful! Which is why I married her. :-)
awwwwwwwwww...ytse-love:)
>I like this CD a lot more after seeing it done live, as well. My opinion >of this has changed considerably since it's release - initially I liked >it, but wasn't blown away or anything. I now find myself listening to it >almost daily.
I've actually been thinking that hearing them live would defenitely change ny attitude towards Fates. Some bands can't seem to be captured well in the studio. One perfect example is Iron Maiden. I would've never become a Maiden fan if I hadn't heard Live after Death.
>that's how i pronounce it too, but it is actually supposed to be >pronounced: > >EE - BON - YES with the stress on the middle syllable.
You know people always tell me this, but they really wanted their guitars to be pronounced that way, they should've put a '~' on top of that 'n'. oh well
>In my view, SDV falls under the "not a prog song, but by a prog band" area >-- it's a Kev solo song. WFS is a proggy piano-synth piece.
hmm well SDV is prog in the Marillion/Genesis type of prog...
>Lastly, I need to reitterate for those of you who are considering buying >APSoG and aren't too familiar with Fates: the album is meant to be heard >as one piece. There are parts of the song that will sound completely >pointless and out of place if not considered in the context of the whole >musical picture. There are parts of the song that will put you to sleep >if you listen without thinking about the music. And there are parts that >will rip you in half!
hmmm, funny, sounds as if you were talking about 'Brave':))
Actually, Chris, as a non-fan, I must disagree with you. ASPOG, aside from No Exit and Inside Out, was the easiest CD for me to get into...well ok I never got into the others...but even though it's a 53 min 'song' (although I'd rather call it concept album, but that depends on your point of view) it's quite easy to listen through. Aside from maybe 2 or 3 parts that seem a little long and pointless if you're not really into the music...but all in all, it seems like a good starting point...although I still like Inside Out better:P
> For fans of moving instrumental acoustic music, check out Michael >Hedges _Aerial Boundaries_, _Oracle_, or _Breakfast in the Field_, and
must include 'Taproot' in there. It's the only one by him I've heard, but it kicks major ass. I actually like it better than Adrian Legg
ugh, this post is getting too long.
to be continued.... Ernie
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:46:51 -0500 From: "Brandon Vaughn" <bvaughn@snowhill.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: ACOS Project Part 1 Finished...Will the Following Mail me... Message-ID: <199708220450.XAA18775@frost.snowhill.com>
After nearly two years, I have finally finished the transcription for the guitar of ACOS. Yet I couldn't have done it without some help from: Brian Cox (who had the first ever intial TAB of the song), Erik Wolfe (if you are still out there, mail me!), Chris Ptacek (if you are still out there, mail me!), Andy Richter, Itchak Schwarzbard, Bafu Vai, and Yuji Miyazaki (if you are still out there, mail me!). If anyone else submitted some parts, please remind me so I can give you credit (it has been a long time).
Anyway, what I need now is checkers. I need people to check individual sections or the whole song. I really want any of the above contributors to get first shot at this if they want it. But everyone else is invited with some ground rules:
1) You do not distribute this version to _anybody_ until all revisions and corrections have been made (this includes web sites).
2) You do not sell this transcription.
3) You honestly review at least one section for mistakes (if you just want a copy, believe me, I will make sure you get one or have access to it; but that comes later. If you ask for a copy now or download it, _please_ check it).
4) I will honestly look at what you consider a mistake. But if I find it questionable, I may ask other tabbers their opinion. I will make the final judgment call (usually based on a majority).
Also, I have attempted my hand at the time sigs. With all the talk recently, I may have made some mistakes on these. Like one part which goes back and forth between 4/4 and 3/4, I made 7/4 to save a lot of time. Those of you real good in the theory and "correctness" of time sigs, please review!
Also, all you 7-stringers are strongly encouraged to check all parts!
Now the question: where do I get this ASCII version? Well, please be patient with me a few more days. I really don't want to have to email a lot with attached files (takes a little time). I'm trying to see if a fellow Jammer can put it on a Web page temporarily so you can download it. All the original contributors I will go ahead and send by email, so make sure to contact me!
I will post where you can get these files from in a few days.
Also, currently I can do a decent printed version for 7 string. I can also work on a professional looking version for 6 string only. I tried an alternate tuning the other day (B F# D G B E), but it won't work. Any other suggestions. I may just have to stick with the decent version if I can't find an alternate tuning that works. I could always save the professional version for something like Bombay Vindaloo.
Thanks for your patience. I hope the end product will justify the time.
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