YTSEJAM Digest 2899
Today's Topics:
1) DT WILL be on the radio here.......
by Anthony LaSorsa <dtgnr@nh.ultranet.com>
2) $$jam$$
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
3) And Shirley goes long...
by caber1@concentric.net
4) Help please....
by Anthony LaSorsa <dtgnr@nh.ultranet.com>
5) 4 all U smart guys
by Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
6) blah
by "subtlerage" <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
7) CANX
by Reiner Teichmann <rkteichm@rapidnet.com>
8) At the very least this list is humorous!
by Renob125@aol.com
9) Re: spoiler of sorts.....FII quik review
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
10) Need info on Images And Tour! CD
by "Brandon Vaughn" <bvaughn@snowhill.com>
11) Need info on Images And Tour! CD
by "Brandon Vaughn" <bvaughn@snowhill.com>
12) Okey. Everyone pop over here.
by "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
13) To you losers who have FII already
by Lars Hellsten <lars@shaw.wave.ca>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2898
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
15) Mortoro Guitars
by Davidjon Sabetai <DAVIDJON@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>
16) Re: Just stop!
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 20:07:58 -0400
From: Anthony LaSorsa <dtgnr@nh.ultranet.com>
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT WILL be on the radio here.......
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970824200758.007b1210@nh.ultranet.com>
Hey people! what's happening? There is some good news to report from the
seacoast area of NH, ME, and MA. The rock stations, WHEB and Rock101, (I
don't know the call letters! :) have been barraged with requests for the
new Dream Theater song, 'You Not Me' I just called a few minutes ago and
the guy almost yelled at me. He's like, "Damn it, like i've told everyone
who's called, the new Theater is not here yet! Relax!!!!!" I said, "Oh,
okay..well, make sure you play it a lot when you do get it!" I thought
that this hype is the kind we need to generate. I know that my friends and
I, as well as other apparent jammers in the area have only started
requesting DT in this small area, but it can be done all over the place. I
suppose if all the stations are country like someone said, it would be
difficult, but most of us here have a rock station or two that we can call
occasionally. I'm glad that the requests are getting through...I'm
interested to see where this goes...
Later,
Tony
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 20:17:42 -0400
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: $$jam$$
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970824201739.006900d8@mail.ici.net>
> Or
>is this just a complaint because I'm going to try to help people get the
>stuff you're offering for less than you're offering it for? Hmm... who has
>what to gain here?
Speaking from the point of view of a consumer, I saw the initial post and
said "$75? That's too much to pay for those". That's just me personally.
Perhaps there is someone out there who places that much value on those.
More power to them, and to the seller that finds them.
Basically, once one of these CD's is out there, it becomes a commodity, and
like it or not, the market rules. Say I have a copy of Subcon that I want
to sell, and I offer it for the original price of $25 (which I wouldn't,
because I paid more than that). I get 30 offers for it. You would sell it
for the asking price to the first person that replied. That's cool. Me -
yeah, I might try to make a buck off of it. If somebody wants to pay X
dollars, that's their right. I'm not putting a gun to anyone's head and
making them pay more. Your position on the matter wouldn't keep me up
nights if I made a profit, and if my position bothers you intensely, well...
_____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________
E-Mail: psull@ici.net
WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
IRC: DDictator ICQ: 2049374
______________________________________________________
Why do they call it a TV set when you only get one?
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:27:41 -0700
From: caber1@concentric.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: And Shirley goes long...
Message-ID: <3400ED47.2AB7@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
I was just going through the What's New page at the DT site. I stumbled
across some interesting things. Well, I noticed that the total time of
the tracks we won't see for awhile are enough with Met. Part2, to make a
decent DT sized EP. :) Speak To Me 6:15, The Way It Used To Be 8:00, and
Cover My Eyes 3:20 are a total of 17:35(so give or take one minute for
the real versions). Add that with 25 minutes(about the time for Met
Part2) and you get 42:35. That seems like too short of an album really.
;)
Anyway, I was doing the adding and subtracting stuff anyway I went to
the actual stuff, too. NM, PS, BMS(if you count HsK), JLMB and TOT are
actually longer than the demos(unless I made a really big mistake). So,
Shirley didn't really cut anything much(so anyone who says he sucks
please email me). 5 out of 10 *are* longer(I'm counting BMS w/HsK), and
stuff that was cut is only shorter by at most a minute and 35
second(LitS). Anyway, I'm still excited to finally be able to get this
album. Hey, Partha where's that review!?! :)
John "Kevin Shirley sucks" McCabe
caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 20:23:48 -0400
From: Anthony LaSorsa <dtgnr@nh.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Help please....
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970824202348.00799a40@nh.ultranet.com>
Hello there. Sorry to write again, but can someone tell me where I can
order the japan release of the new DT? Is there a mail order place or
something? Can you reply to my aol address too? It is Ytsejamer1@aol.com
This account is done in a week or so...thanks a bunch..
Tony
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 01:23:54 +0200
From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 4 all U smart guys
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970824232354.00663438@mail.telepac.pt>
4 all U smart guys:
If we played a C major scale (starting and ending on E) over an
Em chord, it would be the E phrigerator (sorry...phrygian) mode. :)
But now imagine we play an A harmonic minor scale over an E7 chord.
Does this scale/mode has some special name? If should sound great
in a sitar...
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 22:47:48 +0000
From: "subtlerage" <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: blah
Message-ID: <19970824034449.AAA23318@subtlerage.avalon.net>
> From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
> fuck you
>
> in no way, shape or form did my explanation of marillion's music
> call for that kind of abuse.
this coming from someone that responds to a post with the words "fuck you..."
nice.
> From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
> This list is starting to become a giant advertisement, and I think
> that's bullshit.
and you can find information on ordering my album "First Impressions" on
cassette, and the upcoming CD release "Vicious Cycle", at
http://www.subtlerage.com/music.htm
> From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
> 1- How do we know where the accents are in a certain
> drum pattern? Do the accents coincide with the
> bass/snare/...? Does the drummer hit the hi-hat/ride/...
> 'harder'?
send $50,000 in small bills to "Andrew Miller" and i'll fill ya in.
actually, here's a better idea.... why don't you buy a damn theory book and
quit pestering the list? if i wanted to read about this garbage i'd go back to
school.
> Can anyone scan some songs from the I&W official guitar book
> and send me via e-mail (jpg/gif format)?
> I would be forever grateful...
no.
- Andrew Miller - keyboardist/vocalist - subtlerage -
- subtlerage@subtlerage.com - http://www.subtlerage.com -
- "First Impressions" now available on cassette -
- "sr2" available September '97 on CD -
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:31:07 -0600
From: Reiner Teichmann <rkteichm@rapidnet.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: CANX
Message-ID: <01BCB0BB.E8151540@pt2-19.rapidnet.com>
Please take me off your mailing list. Thank you
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 23:29:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Renob125@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: At the very least this list is humorous!
Message-ID: <970824232904_1360189958@emout13.mail.aol.com>
<<Reagan is a communist.
Blasphemer!
>>No no, "Falling Into Infinity" is old news. I'm here to report on DT's
<<5th full-length album, "We Can Kick Green Day's Ass."
Just the beginning of a beautiful post! Songs like "Dream Stink Breath" and
"Dreaming Contradiction" would rule!
<<I've been listening to it for the last 3 weeks, and well, I gotta admit,
<<the guys did good! Just be prepared for cookie monster vocals when you
<<pick this one up in a couple years. Looks like James got pissed off at
<<all those people who liked Charlie better, 'n he's shown it on tracks like,
<<"Fuck You, Fuck Me" and "Kill the Poser." Man, I think the whole band
<<got pissed when they wrote, "We Can Write Whatever the Fuck We Want!"
<<Porntoy goes into this 16/4 time signature with a quad bass effect that
<<just gives you an epileptic siezure.
Is "Fuck You, Fuck Me" based on the Lionel Richie song "Say You Say Me"?
Sellouts! They played that song on the radio!
<<Derek's pounding out his aggression on the end track, "I'm Not Gay," as
<<well. "And you'll never be happy again. I've sold out to make money my
<<friends." This is good stuff.
I remember the "Derek is gay" thread from a couple years back. I was
wondering when he would get pissed about it and write a song. I guess the
band does read the jam! Loved the post Eckie. It's stuff like this that
happens one post in fifty that keeps me subscribed...
Pauly
-"AOL sucks!"
-Just about everybody.
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 20:32:24 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: spoiler of sorts.....FII quik review
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970824203222.00830910@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 05:09 PM 8/24/97 -0700, Partha wrote:
>Overall: When They Rock, they Rock.....but with 3.5 ballads (Hollow
>years, Anna Lee, Take Away My Pain and half of Peruvian Skies) this album
>isn't focused totally on the heavy.....
No, but with 7.5 METAL songs DT style, Vinnie's a happy camper :)
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:57:08 -0500
From: "Brandon Vaughn" <bvaughn@snowhill.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Need info on Images And Tour! CD
Message-ID: <199708250401.XAA16277@frost.snowhill.com>
Can anybody send me more information on the Images And Tour! - Centrifuge
Records - CD. Now, I already know about the origins of the CD and already
own all the original works (and strongly encourage everyone to do the
same). But there are some songs off these works that I want to transcribe
(particularly the video), and I do much better working off of CDs than
videos or tapes. If I have to, I'll just use these, and that would be
fine. Though I know I could be more accurate with both (because of the
niffty audio software tools available).
If anyone knows where one is, or be willing to make a CDR replica, please
let me know. Please email me.
\\||//
~~..'~
( \ ) Brandon Vaughn
\ c/
__\/__ "The Mad Tabber"
/ \
< . _ \ bvaughn@snowhill.com
\ `\ \ -' / \ \ ,,,_ vaughn_b@popmail.firn.edu
>|""O[|||||nn[:::<
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:57:08 -0500
From: "Brandon Vaughn" <bvaughn@snowhill.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Need info on Images And Tour! CD
Message-ID: <199708250401.XAA16283@frost.snowhill.com>
Can anybody send me more information on the Images And Tour! - Centrifuge
Records - CD. Now, I already know about the origins of the CD and already
own all the original works (and strongly encourage everyone to do the
same). But there are some songs off these works that I want to transcribe
(particularly the video), and I do much better working off of CDs than
videos or tapes. If I have to, I'll just use these, and that would be
fine. Though I know I could be more accurate with both (because of the
niffty audio software tools available).
If anyone knows where one is, or be willing to make a CDR replica, please
let me know. Please email me.
\\||//
~~..'~
( \ ) Brandon Vaughn
\ c/
__\/__ "The Mad Tabber"
/ \
< . _ \ bvaughn@snowhill.com
\ `\ \ -' / \ \ ,,,_ vaughn_b@popmail.firn.edu
>|""O[|||||nn[:::<
/_,--- ._\ '''''~
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:59:12 -0600
From: "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Okey. Everyone pop over here.
Message-ID: <199708250405.VAA00918@odin.ax.com>
OK, whose of ya' who're curious to see what Derek liked before he whacked
the hair and joined DT, pop over and check this out. Heheh. He did look
like he belonged in Alice Cooper's band. :)
The JPG is about 125k so be patient. It's a big pic.
http://www.cyberhighway.net/~korgx3/Derek.jpg
Take care!
KorgX3
KorgX3@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 00:14:41 -0400
From: Lars Hellsten <lars@shaw.wave.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: To you losers who have FII already
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970825001440.00711bf4@mail.tor.shaw.wave.ca>
FUCK YOU!
*** Lars Hellsten <lars@shaw.wave.ca> ************************************
Join the Toronto Maple Leafs mailing list at http://hockey.dyn.ml.org/
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:15:11 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2898
Message-ID: <199708250515.WAA02537@goodnet.com>
Chris Ptacek writes...
> What I'm finding distasteful is that you defend your right to make
> "cut and paste bootlegs" (which I'm all for, BTW) like WDATU, but you say
> at the same time that it's bad for other people to do the same. It's a
Actually, only one "cut" of WDATU (Status Seeker) was already on
another boot. The rest had not (at that time) been commonly available.
It's true that, since then, the Milan and Hamburg shows have come out on
bootleg CD, and I'm not condemning that because they released a boot that
had maybe 13 out of 15 tracks as unique to itself. And even though the
copying of SS to WDATU seemed right at the time, I now think I was
completely wrong to do it, and if I were doing it over, I would do it
differently. So your point is valid, it just isn't exactly applicable to
WDATU. Take for example another boot called InstruMental III. Now the
first two boots of the InstruMental series were definite keepers and by
and large contained new/unique material. Those few duplicates that existed
(Mission Impossible, etc) weren't just blatant rips. But then they release
InstruMental III, which is just the Majesty: Gates of Babylon boot with
four extra tracks. You say below that:
> AND you said it's cool to recopy and resell bootlegs. Typically,
> to make them sell better, people are going to add a track or two, or
> change the price. Since this is a skin of the teeth business, as I'm lead
> to understand, price drops (except from your camp) are rare.
Thanks for the nod to my price cut. :) Continuing my above
point... that boot company would be better served by taking those four or
five bonus tracks, and combining them with another five or six good tracks
and putting out a unique boot. That way, they win (they still sell CDs),
the buyer wins (more material) and the band... well, they still lose, but
we can't really solve that in this frame of reference.
> Then why is it okay for you to mix sources on a cd? Doesn't WDATU
> have some stuff off of other releases? This plan assumes that everyone
Only Status Seeker... _at that time_. The Milan '93 and Hamburg
'93 boots that have subsequently come out have some other material on them
from those shows. The remaining five tracks on WDATU (Light Fuse, Set the
Sun, MI/Afterlife, and TLF/BB, still don't exist on any other boot CD. I
think (but am not positive) that I source all these on the WDATU entry on
my page's CD catalog.
> who makes bootlegs is aware of your stuff, and it's like assuming you
> should have some rights over the material on your bootlegs.
OK, you're completely right here. Technically people can do
whatever they want with them because I have no more right to them than
anyone else. I just hope the buying public votes with their wallets,
because it's shameful to duplicate other boots under a new name and sell
them. They're getting very wise to this in Tori Amos collecting circles,
and are actively getting the word out about companies like Live Storm that
are the worst offenders.
> There comes a point at which the buyer should have to exercise
> some brain cells. YOU ARE GOING TO GET FUCKED if you go online and try to
I agree here as well. Of course, in the collectibles market, it's
the dealers' lifeblood to deal in misinformation. Ask any Star Wars
collector. :) It just makes it more frustrating for the vendors that are
trying to do something right, or at least, in good taste.
> you can say that once you use Surrounded from one show, no one else
> should. It's like you're saying that "It's mine first, so you can
I won't argue this point, as I am in agreement... entire shows
that have been seen in fragments are fair game.
> > general. It sucks when ANY bootleg duplicates another. I was collecting
>
> I'm to assume that you mean duplicates another, but carries a
> different name, right?
Correct. In the same way as if I released "Happy Birthday Myung"
as a new double-CD boot from that same Urawa 1/24/95 show, which is
already in second place as the most duplicated DT show out there.
> It sucks that ebola exists. In my opinion, no one should ever contract
> ebola". That's all well and good, but it's not likely, practical, or
You had me rollin' on that one!!
> deal with it. If you've taken part in this problem in the least way, for
> any reason, then you can't complain that it exists.
Well, what I _can_ do is educate the buyer to make sure they are
able to avoid getting the shaft. It's the least I can do to atone for the
duplication I had done, minimal or otherwise.
Randy Haskin writes...
> trading tapes (like so many of you seem to). Mr Bahr provides those of us
> who do not have time to trade tapes with a service. That service is the
> ability to listen to ultra rare music on a convenient CD format, and to
> have all that material in one package. This is a service which I, and
This brings up an interesting point. I _do_ believe that it's a
good idea to trade for tapes of stuff, if you have time. A great deal of
the boots out there aren't of high enough fidelity or of great enough
significance to warrant a CD pressing. For most of you, though, for whom
the daily grind makes a tape-copying hobby far-fetched, well, that's more
or less where I come in.
> is, and many of you tend to forget this, that Mike makes these CDs with the
> FULL KNOWLEDGE of DTs management. When they asked him not to release
> certain material, he obeyed. The fact that they asked that certain
> material NOT be released implies consent to the material he DOES release.
> Do all of you not see Mike Portnoy's name at the top of every one of Mike's
> buyer listings?
Well, I don't want to make it sound as though I'm on the payroll
or anything... :).... but they've been very good about making sure I don't
overstep my bounds. And that's what's made it possible to keep it up. My
current one-DT-CD-set-per-year schedule means that after Mosaic comes out,
you won't see the next one til around Sept. 98. This gives DT's tour time
to make good money, this gives time for the other boot makers to put out
their usual loads of shit mixed with a few gems, and so forth.
> in the mail. He's a fair man. He's in it for the MUSIC and NOT THE MONEY.
Well, I do sorta use it as a part-time job, but it's true that if
I didn't like doing it, I wouldn't do it. And my other part-time job makes
up the difference on my end of the stick.
Partha the Lucky writes...
>
> what follows below is a quik compendium of my thoughts on the new album,
> both after an initial listen, and then after multiple listenings......
> First Listen Reactions
Dang, the band members themselves haven't gotten their proofs of
the final CD yet... how did Partha get it??! :)
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 05:26:49 +0000
From: Davidjon Sabetai <DAVIDJON@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mortoro Guitars
Message-ID: <19970825052647.AAA26551@LOCALNAME>
The Pantysniffer wrote:
>the acoustic one sounds like a sweety, but if anyone here picked up the
>latest guitar world's buyer's guide, there's this tenny tiny acoustic guitar
>company called MORTORO GUITARS. they're based in florida. the one they had
>pictured was the most beautiful guitar i've ever seen- period. i sent away
>for a catalog, and within 3 days, my pants were wet. unfortunately, the
>3000-6000 dollar price tag on these suckers makes it a little harder to get,
>but i guess we know what i'm saving my money for now (besides the enigmatic
>mesaboogie mark iii head- bite me, thetgyi).
Mortoro Guitars are beautiful. Believe it or not I knew Mortoro. He is a
marine biology teacher at the high school I recently graduated from. I was
going to do a profile about him for the school paper, but the editors were
not big on the idea. I have seen and played one of his guitars. They are
well worth the money. I have an article about him and the process of him
making a guitar for a legenadary session player. I might be able to send it
to you if I can find it.
Isaac
"It sounds diminished ... but it's not."- John Petrucci
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:37:44 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: bwherry@bu.edu (Brian Wherry)
Cc: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Just stop!
Message-ID: <199708250537.WAA05693@goodnet.com>
Hi Jammers.
I really didn't want to put this kind of stuff public, but this
was such that I just had to post it. After this, I will exert all my
willpower to not respond to flames on the Jam toward me, because as this
post says, they are planned and deliberate and apparently the posters
don't care about what it's doing to the content of our favourite digest.
Brian Wherry writes...
> Mike, just take it off the jam. Keep doing whatever you're doing
> with your illegal CD manufacturing business -- just don't advertise on the
> jam.
"Quit your job and live as a bum."
That's what I'd have to say to equalize what you've said above. I
work two part time jobs, one of which is my CD business. The Ytsejam list
has always been and will continue to be my greatest market. I don't
particularly feel like taking a 50% pay cut in the game of life right now,
and why would I??
> Chris Ptacek and others (myself included) will continue to publicly
> flame you for your frequent wastes of "jamwidth" (heh). And then your
I really wish you wouldn't.
> loyal supporters will come out and quote back every line of the flame with
> two or three witty words thrown in there. And then some other jammers
> that really don't care about the whole issue will complain about all the
> bitching.... and pretty soon there is an entire jam filled with a whole
> lot of negative stuff, ya know?
Not if you don't start it with your inflammatory post.
> Don't go posting about how some other bootleg manufacturer ripped you off.
They didn't rip me off, I use "ripped" because it's the common
term in bootleg circles for copying one boot to make another. If anyone
got "rip-off", it was the customer who unwittingly bought the copy
release and lost their $30. "Ripped" is used when one is making digital
reads from boot CDs or DATs, esp. when referencing the re-release of same.
Example in a sentence: "I ripped a few songs from each of my DT CDs to
make a single CDR for the truck with all my favourite songs on it."
> Don't post about how hard it is for you to make your CDs.
I no longer have to. See http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/boot.html
Grin... and it was never really _hard_, just time consuming and expensive.
> Mike, you're the spark here. You can very easily make the jam a much
> better mailing list, simply by filtering your posting content. Keep in
Hey Kettle: I, the Pot, find you exceedingly black. :)
> Some jammers don't mind that you make illegal CDs of Dream Theater's
> music. And several of us do.
Does this prejudice carry over to the work I do on other band's
material? Of the 1997 releases, only 2 so far and 3 total are DT. I count
also 2 Rush, 1 Megadeth, 2 Queensryche, and 1 King's X. Or is this a
prejudice against bootlegging itself? I really don't want to argue that;
it's been done.
> It's like cigarette smoke in a crowded room. If someone
> who does not like the smell and detrimental effects of cigarette smoke
> asked the smoker to extinguish his cigarette,
Nothing is going to happen. It's a free country. I don't smoke and
I don't like it when others do so, but what right do I have to tell them
to stop when I could just as easily move aside. I don't expect the world
to revolve around _my_ needs, you see.
> Although I don't agree with what you do and your posts really strike a
> nerve in me most of the time, I don't think you are a bad person, nor do I
> think you're a con artist. But I really think you should find a new way
> to advertise.
I reach my greatest market with the greatest of ease by simply
posting to the Jam. Most of the time all I ever say is "hey, new update,
see the web page at... and BTW this new CD is featured there". The only
reason all the shit has hit the fan lately started with _your_ original
slam of me, from several weeks ago. I occasionally post a sale post, but
those are pretty far and few between and they don't repeat. I appreciate
that you don't think I'm a con... and if all this flaming goes away,
things will return to their boring previous state of being, and all will
be happy and tranquil.
> A room with one person smoking is bad enough. But
> add a bunch of people shouting as to whether or not the smoker should
> continue is much worse. Wouldn't you agree?
Sure thing. I just can't kick this dang habit... it provides half
my oxygen you see.. (to continue your analogy)... the most effective place
for me to do it is in room X... would it be that difficult for you to
either endure it in room X, ignore it entirely, or party on the other side
of the room instead?
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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