YTSEJAM Digest 2897
Today's Topics:
1) DT TOUR 97-98
by "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
2) acoustic 7's, and the mystery of neil peart's daughter
by Thrak75@aol.com
3) For Sale
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
4) The RantJam
by Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
5) Re: ?:-|
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2895
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
7) Fuck this!!
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
8) I took the flight !
by TheYTSEJAM@aol.com
9) $$$ MAKE MONEY FAST, YTSEJAM!!! $$$
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
10) Re: I took the flight !
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
11) Re: $$$ MAKE MONEY FAST, YTSEJAM!!! $$$
by "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
12) Re: A new ytsejammer here!
by sami.poimala@ff.nullnet.fi (SAMI POIMALA)
13) Dream Theater's next album
by eckie@asu.edu
14) An Enchanting, Dreamy, and Fates kinda weekend...
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
15) MI
by Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
16) Good Prog rock/metal bands !!!
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE>
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:58:59 -0400
From: "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT TOUR 97-98
Message-ID: <33FF6B32.9E614569@nh.ultranet.com>
Hey there again,
I was just wondering has there been any discussion on the places
where DT will be playing when they kick off their US tour in October?
Or is this kind of up in the air until after the release of "Falling
into Infinitiy"?
Also, I was flipping through my CD's the other day (I'm moving
so I had to get them in order to go with me) anyways, I came upon my
Pink Floyd Pulse live CD. The CD with the eternal blinking light on
it, anyways, I was looking through the jacket inside and I realized
that all of the snazzy artisticly cool artwork inside was by Storm
Thorgenson. (I think I misspelled his last name, oh well) anyways,
supposedly DT has decided to go with him for the artwork... I am
psyched, this guy's work is so cool, maybe this CD will really catch
some attention on the rack... I think it will... Now for the airwaves,
I hope that the airwaves are full of DT in the next couple of weeks.. I
know, in my heart and soul that "You Not Me" will sell... It's just a
matter of the record company promoting this CD like it should be. As
long as it gets the same or better promotion that I&W did, I don't see
why this CD won't do well. I have heard 99% of all the stuff on this CD
at the Fix show and I am hoping that these songs are even more polished
now and if they are better than the ones I heard at the shows... This
should be one hell of a fucking disc! WOO-HOO!
Anyways, gotta run! Rock on! J
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:34:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Thrak75@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: acoustic 7's, and the mystery of neil peart's daughter
Message-ID: <970823193425_-2072615222@emout06.mail.aol.com>
while on the subject of 7 string guitars, i was rather surprised to discover
that ibanez is expanding the line. sweet.
the acoustic one sounds like a sweety, but if anyone here picked up the
latest guitar world's buyer's guide, there's this tenny tiny acoustic guitar
company called MORTORO GUITARS. they're based in florida. the one they had
pictured was the most beautiful guitar i've ever seen- period. i sent away
for a catalog, and within 3 days, my pants were wet. unfortunately, the
3000-6000 dollar price tag on these suckers makes it a little harder to get,
but i guess we know what i'm saving my money for now (besides the enigmatic
mesaboogie mark iii head- bite me, thetgyi).
and no one knows what's up with the rumor regarding neil peart, eh?
ytsegoon (remote no longer)
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david y. kobayashi
thrak75@aol.com
"better to save the mystery than surrender to the secret." -j. petrucci
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:25:04 -0400
From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: For Sale
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970824012504.0068a110@pop.pipeline.com>
For Sale: Senses of humor.
Possible psuedonym: A fucking clue.
Condition: Only used once or twice, possibly last year - defintely not recently.
Target Customer Base: People with small capacities for the inanities of internet
life.
Warranty: Guaranteed to help you get through posts which you may find
offensive. Also has been known to help relieve that unpleasant stabbing
sensation in your rear end.
Price: Ah, hell, let's do it with the auction method. Starting bid: five
dollars. Although Mike Bahr could probably boot you one for less.
Green Bay Packers - 1996-97 Super Bowl Champions
5-0 Preseason.
Kevin
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 22:08:47 -0400
From: Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
Subject: The RantJam
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970823220847.00698560@mail.ee.net>
Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> spewed this:
>
> This list is starting to become a giant advertisement, and I think
>that's bullshit.
>
Isn't this an advertisement?:
> If anyone is trying really hard to find these two cds and can't,
>let me know. I may be able to help you get them, or CDRs of them for a
>reasonable price.
Maybe you consider it a public service announcement?
Is this an advertisement or a solicitation?:
> While I'm on my rant, I'd like to offer you a chance to blow me
>too.
It's at least an offer, which is certainly a commercial-transaction
related posting. Something you claim to dislike very much.
> While I'm on my rant, I'd like to offer you a chance to blow me
>too.
You should post the price you expect to pay to fulfill this oral contract.
^^^^
(note humor)
>Intelligent responses will be acknowledged and responded to
>in an intelligent manner.
As you have demonstrated so well already.
> People who want to give me a lesson in manners or want to tell
> me I've got a great big ego, please don't waste your time.
Since you already know.
You're being a hypocrite, and yet, somehow...entertaining.
> While I'm on my rant, I'd like to offer you a chance to blow me
>too.
For the record... no thanks.
Someone want to e-mail this dude a beer, some Prozac, a new
mission in life?
Joe
jkruger@ee.net
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 22:41:32 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: ?:-|
Message-ID: <19970824023827.AAA11946@sni.pananet.com>
> 1- How do we know where the accents are in a certain
> drum pattern? Do the accents coincide with the
> bass/snare/...? Does the drummer hit the hi-hat/ride/...
> 'harder'?
>
the snare usually represents the accent.
tip: buy yourself a music theory book. All you need to know is there, and
you'll have it as reference.
Ernie
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 23:35:08 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: acook@tiac.net (Adam Cook)
Cc: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2895
Message-ID: <199708240635.XAA20058@goodnet.com>
> > Anyway it's my humble opinion that no bootleg should be released
> > with material on it that exists on any other bootleg, if at all possible.
>
> Uhm, excuse me...this is coming from the guy that fucking copies other
> peoples boots and sells them for profit??? The only difference is you don't
> put your own name on the boots your copying. You still make a profit on
> them. You even admit it in this post...
Uhm, I think you're really out of line here... I don't go around
releasing boots with cryptic names that turn out to have the same material
on them that are already on popular boots, gypping the customer out of
$30-60. Italian boot companies do exactly that. Ask the guys who put out
Tragedy/Comedy, Dream Out Loud, Rockin' Japan, etc. I release stuff that
isn't on "common" boots, I made the decision of "no duplication at all"
after catching static for using the Status Seeker version from Lords of
Sound on WDATU (best copy of SS I could find). Also, I make good and sure
the content of my CDs is publicly known as early in the process as
possible.
As for me replicating the Italian boots... well, nobody else was
doing it and people kept asking me for CDR clones of them, and all I did
was make it official that I would be willing to do that for anyone who
wanted it. I never misled people at any time to believe that those
releases were mine or that I produced the material. If that's hypocrisy,
Reagan is a communist.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 23:42:38 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fuck this!!
Message-ID: <199708240642.XAA20705@goodnet.com>
If there weren't so many awesomely cool people here on the Jam who
still supported me, I'd just say "fuck off, and hasta la vista!" to the
rest of you. I can't believe this new wave of shit.
Chris Ptacek, you're just fucking wrong on this one, PERIOD. Any
collector who's into bootlegs will tell you that DUPLICATES SUCK. Ask any
Rush boot collector.. there were 9 boots from the p/g tour, and ALL of
them were copies of the fuckin' p/g video release, and until Experience to
Extremes came out, none were even close to complete. Ask DT boot
collectors who accidentally got both Wake Up and Mind Control before
knowing that they were rip-offs of each other and of a Pay-Per-view video
that's usually cheaper than the CDs!! From the collector's standpoint, I
am absolutely right in saying that it would be better if every single boot
out there contained material unique to that bootleg. We want as much
different stuff as possible.
It sucks that there are only six true soundboard tapes from Rush,
and that we therefore hear them over and over again on boots. It sucks
that NINE companies have released the counterfeit of Y Kant Tori Read,
confounding collectors who thought they might eventually get a YKTR live
or b-sides release. And it sucks that people like you who apparently lack
either experience or knowledge in this area have decided to publicly slam
someone who _does_.
Those of you who are on my side, no need to defend me this time
(unless you also have a part in this argument), this has nothing to do
with my boot operations and is a point of issue for bootleg collecting in
general. It sucks when ANY bootleg duplicates another. I was collecting
boots for many years before I even dreamed I would make CDs. I've been
through the wringer in every way on this issue, as the buyer and as the
seller.
Anyway, that's all I'll say for now.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 03:09:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: TheYTSEJAM@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I took the flight !
Message-ID: <970824030900_-1970293192@emout17.mail.aol.com>
Greetings Dreamers,
I'm just listening to "Falling into infinity" for the third time. It's not in
any way like WDADU, IAW or Awake. It's very slow ( 4 ballads) and it sounds
older ( thanks Kevin ? ). It's a great album, but it could have been a
fantastic one, if Kevin Shirley and Desmond Child wouldn't have ruined it. I
think DT will lose a few old fans with this, and maybe gain a big commercial
success. I really like the album, but I would like it more, if they would
have done it their way (like on the demos and how they played a few of the
songs on the spring tour in europe).
I can't wait to hear what others think about it. Mails are welcome
Chris
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 02:25:12 -0500
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
Cc: "Joe Kruger Marketing Network" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: $$$ MAKE MONEY FAST, YTSEJAM!!! $$$
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970824072512.00dd5e30@pop.enteract.com>
>> This list is starting to become a giant advertisement, and I think
>>that's bullshit.
>Isn't this an advertisement?:
>
>> If anyone is trying really hard to find these two cds and can't,
>>let me know. I may be able to help you get them, or CDRs of them for a
>>reasonable price.
>
>Maybe you consider it a public service announcement?
I consider it to be helpful to the ytsejammers you're trying to
screw. $75 is bullshit for those discs. If you paid that much, you're an
idiot. It's not an advertisement at all. I don't own those cds, and won't
be selling them. I am merely going to help anyone who has any desire not to
get ripped off. You're not trying to help anyone. You're trying to make a
profit on used cds. You're not trying to break even. You're a scam. If
you were trying to help people out by selling these cds, you'd sell them for
what you paid for them, or less. Are you going to tell me I'm wrong? At
least be honest.
>Is this an advertisement or a solicitation?:
>
>> While I'm on my rant, I'd like to offer you a chance to blow me
>>too.
You want to be a smart ass at me, then you have to deal with the
fact that sometimes it pisses me off. I was out of line in being that rude
there. But I won't apologize.
>It's at least an offer, which is certainly a commercial-transaction
>related posting. Something you claim to dislike very much.
That's about as intelligent as the fungus under my toenails.
>>Intelligent responses will be acknowledged and responded to
>>in an intelligent manner.
>
>As you have demonstrated so well already.
Wow. That's good. When you're through stumping me with your
obviously superior wit and intellect, please go on to make your point. Or
is this just a complaint because I'm going to try to help people get the
stuff you're offering for less than you're offering it for? Hmm... who has
what to gain here?
>> People who want to give me a lesson in manners or want to tell
>> me I've got a great big ego, please don't waste your time.
>
>Since you already know.
What I know is that I was majorly irritated by your post. The way
you're trying to make money off jammers is bullshit. The fact that I say
this and do not CARE AT ALL if someone (like yourself) tries to refute it,
means that I believe I'm correct. I believe in myself, and that gets me
called an egotist. I was simply doing what I can to stop those on this list
who don't want to hear what I have to say from wasting my time with flames
and moronic illogical arguments. Obviously it failed, because I'm
responding to you now. Judge for yourself what you think of me. I don't
care if you think I'm an egotist. That's fine. Just don't be so pissy when
I call you a scam.
>You're being a hypocrite, and yet, somehow...entertaining.
Everyone's a hypocrite at one point or another. But I don't see
where I'm being a hypocrite in that post. Feel free to point that out to
me, Captain Astute.
Now if you have some reasonable arguments to back up what you're
saying, or some ways of disproving the fact that you're selling those cds
for a profit instead of trying to help jammers, like you (hypocrite?) say,
I'll be more than happy to entertain them. If this is the best you can do,
I would rather you not waste my time.
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener
A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come
from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG.
They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground
on which idea seeds fall."
- Michael Hedges
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 03:58:06 -0400
From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: I took the flight !
Message-ID: <33FFE98D.B8AEF073@caribe.net>
TheYTSEJAM@aol.com wrote:
> Greetings Dreamers,
>
> I'm just listening to "Falling into infinity" for the third time. It's
> not in
> any way like WDADU, IAW or Awake. It's very slow ( 4 ballads) and it
> sounds
> older ( thanks Kevin ? ). It's a great album, but it could have been a
>
> fantastic one, if Kevin Shirley and Desmond Child wouldn't have ruined
> it. I
> think DT will lose a few old fans with this, and maybe gain a big
> commercial
> success. I really like the album, but I would like it more, if they
> would
> have done it their way (like on the demos and how they played a few of
> the
> songs on the spring tour in europe).
>
> I can't wait to hear what others think about it. Mails are welcome
>
> Chris
is this a sick joke?? :) i hope not.. hey man...email mE!! :) :)
--"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com mailto:progboy@mindless.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ):1254229
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 02:20:28 -0600 From: "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: $$$ MAKE MONEY FAST, YTSEJAM!!! $$$ Message-ID: <199708240826.BAA24907@odin.ax.com>
>>Maybe you consider it a public service announcement? > > I consider it to be helpful to the ytsejammers you're trying to >screw. $75 is bullshit for those discs. If you paid that much, you're an >idiot.
Hell, as much as other people'll probably bitch, I'm with Chris on this one. But the way I see it is, if anyone wants to spend $75 for these discs, I have a nice set of handblown goats molded to represent the members of Dream Theater. It's an older set (circa 1993) with Kevin instead of Derek. HIGHLY COLLECTABLE! Starting price is $550. (Goats ain't cheap!)
Anyway, isn't there a newsgroup for shit like this? Couldn't you post it there? Is this for some sort of charity? If you need the money, then say something like this: "I'm having my uvula removed, and have to part with my beloved Dream Theater discs."
What the Hell does a uvula do anyway, besides collect mucus and shit when I drink milk?
And I'm sure Mike Bahr isn't wearing any pants. KorgX3 KorgX3@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 97 22:27:00 -0700 From: sami.poimala@ff.nullnet.fi (SAMI POIMALA) To: YTSEJAM@ax.com Subject: Re: A new ytsejammer here! Message-ID: <8DE3543.00020017BD.uuout@ff.nullnet.fi>
Hello everybody! I'm a quite new fan of DT from Finland. Is there anyone else from Finland here?
Does anyone know when new DT album will come? I've heard something about September, 23rd but is it absolutely sure?
--- þ SLMR 2.1a þ PnP = Plug and Pay
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 02:27:19 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Dream Theater's next album Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970824020948.25009B-100000@general1.asu.edu>
No no, "Falling Into Infinity" is old news. I'm here to report on DT's 5th full-length album, "We Can Kick Green Day's Ass."
I've been listening to it for the last 3 weeks, and well, I gotta admit, the guys did good! Just be prepared for cookie monster vocals when you pick this one up in a couple years. Looks like James got pissed off at all those people who liked Charlie better, 'n he's shown it on tracks like, "Fuck You, Fuck Me" and "Kill the Posuer." Man, I think the whole band got pissed when they wrote, "We Can Write Whatever the Fuck We Want!" Porntoy goes into this 16/4 time signature with a quad bass effect that just gives you an epileptic siezure.
Derek's pounding out his aggression on the end track, "I'm Not Gay," as well. "And you'll never be happy again. I've sold out to make money my friends." This is good stuff.
And I bet Mike Bahr IS wearing pants, but backwards and with a "Kris Kross Forever" T-shirt.
Bwahaha....
~Another Eckie Post (tm)
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 03:03:16 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: An Enchanting, Dreamy, and Fates kinda weekend... Message-ID: <199708241003.DAA14379@gms.gmsnet.com>
Fucking SHIT... is all I have to say...
First off, hello to all the jammers that were at the show!!! We fucking rocked...
Mike "fucking" Portnoy was there to sit in for a song with Enchant, and that rocked my balls... he really tore it up...
Got to talk to James Murphy (formerly of Testament), he's one lucky son of a bitch... I'll let you guys wonder about that one... :)
The show was incredible, the best Fates show on the tour so far, highlighted while Mr. Portnoy sang with Ray during Life in Still Water...
Well, all in all, a fuckin incredible show... and also met Steve Perry at the Fog City Diner the next day, he was really cool...
-The Doc
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:39:04 +0200 From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: MI Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970824093904.0066b34c@mail.telepac.pt>
Is the 'Mission: impossible' original theme in 4/4 or in 5/4?
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:51:57 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Good Prog rock/metal bands !!! Message-ID: <34009EED.67C@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
I just want to introduce you some real good Prog rock/metal bands.
Here we go :
- ROYAL HUNT : Prog rock meets Classic. Something between Shadow Gallery and Yngwie Malmsteen. Just buy "PARADOX" or "MOVING TARGET. You can download some samples on PROG OR DIE. Check it out. I can only tell you, that this band is really great.
- SUPERIOR : Good Prog metal band from Germany. Album : Behind.
- ARKHE : Very similar to Dream Theater. Album : Arkhe.
- AYREON : Another good Prog rock band. Album : Actual Fantasy/Final Experiment.
- ATHENA : Another Prog rock band (similar to DT). Album : Inside The Moon.
- SYMPOHNY X : Good Prog metal. Album : Divine Wings Of Tragedy/Sympohny X/ Damnation Game.
- ARENA : Really good Prog rock band from UK. Albums : The Cry/Pride/Songs From The Lions Cage
- ALTURA : US Prog rock metal. Album : Mercy.
- HEAVEN's CRY : Prog metal like Fates Warning. Album : Food For Thought Substitute. Really good album.
- TILES : US Prog rock. Simelar to Fates Warning's Inside Out. Album : Tiles.
And if you like Shadow Gallery's opus "Carved In Stone", just wait for their new album "TYRANNY. Btw, Their first album "Shadow Gallery" is also really great. Check it out
If you like to order some of these albums, go to Prog Or Die page and click on the Rising Sun Logo. Rising Sun is a big mailorder from Germany which have a lot of prog rock cd's. You can also order the complete ANGRA stuff very cheap there.
I hope, I could help you.
Arash -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | PROG OR DIE - The Progressive Music Page | | | | DREAM THEATER - FATES WARNING - ROYAL HUNT - SHADOW GALLERY | | | | http://lionel.kr.fh-niederrhein.de/~ashouria/index.htm | | | | by Arash Ashouriha | | | | ashouria@kr.fh-niederrhein.de | --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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