YTSEJAM Digest 2896
Today's Topics:
1) I'm getting sick of your attitude
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
2) New DT album soon?
by "Andrea Fabris" <ea00628@flashnet.it>
3) Clockwork, Fates, DR, etc...
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
4) Re: New DT album soon?
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
5) What the hell is going on?
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
6) few questions
by Neil Florio <nflorio@galesburg.net>
7) ACOS Project (ready for checking)--All checkers apply
by "Brandon Vaughn" <bvaughn@snowhill.com>
8) Original SUBCONCIOUS CD Auction sale!
by "Blade Runner" <jean.j@videotron.ca>
9) Parodies, Drum tab
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
10) Fates Warning ranking
by alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1)
11) ?:-|
by Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
12) I&W
by Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
13) I gots a question...
by "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 09:47:31 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: I'm getting sick of your attitude
Message-ID: <01BCAFD3.C337B720@Janeway.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
adam cook says:
> I'm getting sick of your attitude.
fuck you
in no way, shape or form did my explanation of marillion's music
call for that kind of abuse. all i tried to do is explain to the
people who are interested, what to expect from their music. your
"I think they're boring as hell" comment was based on only three
listens to just one album. real nice... i am looking forward to
your review of "falling into infinity"...
i know you took offence to the following stuff i wrote :
> Some of our fellow Jammers think it's "boring", but they
> probably put it on intro-scan and gave up on it, right after.
i have seen too many "i listened to a few songs and i think they
are shit" posts to know i'm not talking out of my ass. maybe the
intro-scan part was a bit too much, but *unfortunately* not even
that much.
oh well, i guess this just proves my point that some ytsejammers
will find something to bitch about in every post.
i think mike bahr would agree with this
Christopher Ptacek wrote :
> I think Itchy gets a bit defensive when people dislike Marillion
no, i get defensive when people post stuff like "they are shit"
or "they are boring" after only a few listens to just one album.
and it's not just with marillion. i also flamed those who called
rush and queensryche "shit" based on their latest release. maybe
i'm getting too old for this crap... maybe i should just get off
the jam.
> I only have Brave, and supposedly their earlier stuff is a lot
> better, but to me, Brave is like a valium.
the earlier stuff isn't better, it's different.
> That means it's great background music for a party or whatever,
> because it won't take away from a conversation, but it won't
> keep me interested if I'm listening to it specifically.
brave is the total opposite of background music. this is just the
kind of album you *should* listen to specifically. loud, with the
lights off. or even better, with headphones. using brave as back-
ground music will ruin it. but like i usually say, their music is
not for everyone. some might consider marillion to be too mellow.
oh well, who cares.
mark
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:05:49 +0200
From: "Andrea Fabris" <ea00628@flashnet.it>
To: "dream theater list" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: New DT album soon?
Message-ID: <199708231505.RAA18375@star.flashnet.it>
It's real?
Really the new DT album is scheduled for 23th September?
Sorry, I was out of the list for vacancies and recently I found out this
piece of news.
Could someone confirm it?
Qapla'
Andrea Fabris (e-mail: ea00628@flashnet.it)
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"Ne ho viste cose... che voi umani non potreste
neanche immaginarvi"
-Blade Runner
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:10:36 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Clockwork, Fates, DR, etc...
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-970823151036Z-1518@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
>
Pat wrote...
>>Finally, can anyone recommend other prog groups in the vein of Spock's
>>Beard, Enchant, or Shadow Gallery? Would I like Lemur Voice or Angra?
>
>LV is good. You might want to check out Magellan and Altura both of Magna
>Carta. Another great band is Divine Regale.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I'll agree with that. DR should be easy to find, as well, since it's on
Metal Blade. As for Angra, while they are a favorite of mine, it sounds
like they might be a bit heavy for you - Angra is like crossing a Euro
power metal band with an orchestra.
>
>
>
>If you want a really good "power prog metal" cd then check out the cd by
>Division called Paradise Lost. It's available from their web site:
>http://www.crosslink.net/~division/
>I got this cd about 3 weeks ago and its been my top played cd since then.
>They dont have keyboards but I feel they have a unique and fresh sound.
>After my first listen I didn't really know what to think but obviously
>this cd grew on me and grew fast. Definitely worth $10. Check it out.
>
>Most played cd of the week: Division-"Paradise Lost"
Jeez, Pat, you're making me blush! :)
Shai wrote...
>BTW I bought Marillion's "A script for a jester's tear" and no matter
>what you do, NOTHING sounds like good old Jupiter or Mini-Moog.....
You ain't kidding! I have an old Juno 6 that a friend of mine that does
industrial stuff borrows from me all the time. You can get some
OUTRAGEOUS sounds out of it...
The digital and analog keyboards sound so totally different...
>
Wacky wrote...
>Aww, yeah! Clockwork is the shiznit! If you haven't already, go to
>their website (a very cool one, I might add) and order "Search" ASAP.
>http://www.netti.fi/~japi. Kick it.
I'll agree with that. I traded CD's with Anthony a while back, and I've
been listening to this a lot. Certainly worth picking up for prog metal
fans...
>
Deidre
>> > ...People say they can't stand when Ray holds a note in the
>> > middle of a measure, and ends the measure with a really short note. They
>> > say this isn't a melody or something.
>>
>I like it when he does this...for two reasons.
> 1) it is different than you expect.
> 2) After seeing them last night, and seeing the crowd...you could tell
>who was there because there was a concert, and who was there to see
>Fates. All the little teenagers standing around...trying to sing
>along...but not able to anticipate the changes. Sorry, but it was funny
>as hell!!
Yeah, I thought that was funny when I saw them, as well - there were
some really mystified expressions out there... :)
> BTW- There was a jack ass there last night, drunk or stoned, I don't
>know, but he kept grabbing the singers of which ever band was ont he
>stage. Thank you to the two jammers who shouldered him away from the
>stage when Fates was on.
It seems like there's been one jerk at every show - not a bad number,
actually. All of you out there in bands have been around for some jerk
yelling "Metallica" while you're playing - it's pretty annoying...
Division - DC Power/prog metal is alive and playing with Bruce Dickenson
on Oct. 4
http://www.crosslink.net/~division or human email division@aol.com
>
>
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 12:24:52 -0400
From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: New DT album soon?
Message-ID: <33FF0ED4.D6C29B85@caribe.net>
Andrea Fabris wrote:
> It's real?
> Really the new DT album is scheduled for 23th September?
> Sorry, I was out of the list for vacancies and recently I found out
> this
> piece of news.
> Could someone confirm it?
>
> Qapla'
>
> Andrea Fabris (e-mail: ea00628@flashnet.it)
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> "Ne ho viste cose... che voi umani non potreste
> neanche immaginarvi"
> -Blade Runner
mike portnoy said so :0)
--"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com mailto:progboy@mindless.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ):1254229
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 12:27:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: What the hell is going on? Message-ID: <199708231727.MAA29493@enteract.com>
> From: "Blade Runner" <jean.j@videotron.ca> > Subject: Subconcious CD Auction Sale > > If you're interested in putting your hands on the number 183 out of 500 > of the Subconcious CD, please make an offer. > My starting price is 35$ (US). > Make your offer...
This shit continues to piss me off. Not because he's selling it... he has every right to make a buck off this thing. More because there's gonna be a moron on this list who will probably pay $100-150 for the cd. Why not buy a cd burner and make your own copy of it? Buy a couple more copies of this disc, and you've spent the same amount of cash. There are jammers out there who can make copies for you on DAT or on CDR. This cd isn't even that amazing. Someone's gonna say "I want the original". Sure... that's fine... but it's a Mike Bahr original, not a Dream Theater original. It's a scam, yall. Great price at $35. Once it gets past $50, whoever buys it is an idiot. What happened to selling a cd, first come, first serve? This auction shit is just greed. Disagree if you want, but don't pray I'll care.
> From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2893
> > And just as a side note to Mike Bahr, he says (on his homepage) > > that "Guitar Talkin'" has ripped him off getting the acoustic songs from > > "Acoustic Dreams". > Actually, the original tape I had included the chat, but I was > working under a 60-minute constraint for AD at the time. For the record, > when I say "ripped", they may have taken it directly or they may have > gotten it from another source, but the point is that Guitar Talkin' came > out nearly two full years AFTER Acoustic Dreams and yet contained the same > material. > One time I knew I was ripped: the Uncovered boot, also by Kobra > It's clear they weren't fans of the band and were just scammers out to > make a buck.
What in the living fuck is this? I want Mike Bahr to answer this. Of course all jammers can answer as well, but I'm really only interested in Mike Bahr's answer (though yes, this is pertinent to the jam) Did you or did you not encourage people, only a week or so ago, to go ahead and copy your boots, and sell them themselves for their own profit? How are you being ripped? Or are you just inserting the term "ripped" as in ripped music from a cd (I hope you don't try to explain it as such). I am very interested in your response.
> I still wish to this day that DT would have let me release the > Uncovered show first.
So you could make a buck first? Why does it matter? If we're gonna have to pay just about the same price no matter where we buy it from, why does it matter if it comes from you, or from Slick Jimmy's cd garage?
> Anyway it's my humble opinion that no bootleg should be released > with material on it that exists on any other bootleg, if at all possible.
Refer again to my initial question. If you don't have any right to the material in question, then your opinion just smells like greed to me, man. It would be great to be able to get cds that don't have any recurrence of songs we've already heard. But that's not the way bootlegs work, when they're on the "For Sale" market, like yours, and the others in question. So somebody buys one of your boots and another that has a couple of the same songs on it. They get over it. Most of these people are the ones like the completely warped Rick Audet who truly must be insane, because he buys EVERY Dream Theater item known to man. People who collect don't care when they get a boot that has some stuff they already have. People who can't afford to get the same songs on different releases should check out the material before they buy it. Most record shops that sell bootlegs will allow you to listen before you buy, since there's rarely any way to return a bootleg. The fact is, Mike, that you, when faced with this possibility, encouraged people to go ahead and recopy your bootlegs. It doesn't matter if they retitle it, or add stuff and subtract stuff. They have the same right to do that shit as you do (which technically is "no right"). Most of your bootlegs started out as live show bootlegs for source. If you don't like people mixing and matching rarities, then you shouldn't do it either. As I say, anyone can respond. The rabid Bahr supporters should probably just start sucking my ass now, because I can care less what they have to say. Intelligent responses will be acknowledged and responded to in an intelligent manner. Mike Bahr's response is the one I mainly want to see.
> From: Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net> > Subject: Items of iterest for sale
> Sorry I couldn't post this to the YTSJAM-FOR-SALE list...
While I'm on my rant, I'd like to offer you a chance to blow me too. > $75 - High Demand Double CDs > > Lost in the Sky (collector's case) > The Dance of Eternity
If anyone is trying really hard to find these two cds and can't, let me know. I may be able to help you get them, or CDRs of them for a reasonable price.
I apologize to anyone who was offended by my tone here. That jam pissed me off. When I say shit like this, it's all just my opinions. I'm not telling anyone what to do or how to do it. People who want to give me a lesson in manners or want to tell me I've got a great big ego, please don't waste your time. I've got as much right to say this stuff as they have to say their piece.
This list is starting to become a giant advertisement, and I think that's bullshit.
Chris Ptacek at EnterAct, L.L.C -- (773) 248 8511 http://www.enteract.com (business) http://www.prognosis.com/madsman/ (my contribution to --------------------------------- the vast wealth of "To err is human... to suck out | underdeveloped one's brain with an orally | web sites) deployed flesh tube is not."-MS| **************** ---------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 12:54:24 -0500 From: Neil Florio <nflorio@galesburg.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: few questions Message-ID: <199708231754.MAA18587@dialup1.galesburg.net>
I have a few questions about some things. When I first got into progressive music I was under the impression that there were basically 3 progressive bands, DT, Rush, and Pink Floyd. But after I started surfing the net and suscribing to this digest I began hearing about many other progressive bands, Shadow Gallery, Marillion, to name a few. I went to a local CD store and the clerk who works there, who is very knowledgable about music and a friend of mine, had never even heard of most of them let alone had their albums in stock. How come I havent heard more about these bands? I would really like to hear some of their music. Can someone give me any suggestions as to what albums I would like? I guess I am going to have to go to Musicland (who I despise and hate buying things from) to see if they have anything from these bands or at least have thier albums available for order.
Thanks,
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:35:49 -0500 From: "Brandon Vaughn" <bvaughn@snowhill.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: ACOS Project (ready for checking)--All checkers apply Message-ID: <199708231939.OAA20279@frost.snowhill.com>
If you are interested in checking out one of the sections or all of the ACOS transcription, then pleae email me. I will give you the web pages that contain the transcription for you to download or print out. Please don't give out the web page address to anybody yet. It is not that it is some big secret, but there will be a lot of changes to the TAB over the next weeks. The current version is the initial version. I only want those who are willing to seriously check at least part of it to get it. Hopefully by Sept. 23 we will finally have a version that is up to 95-99% correct (we can "dream" can't we?).
Also, I please ask that nobody puts this TAB on a web page yet. After we have checked it, have free reign. And keep it free. That was the whole purpose from day one. The fact is that Warner refused to publish the song (citing legal problems with the cover songs). So this is here to give this great song to the Jam, not to make a profit. The only cost that will ever be is if I get around to putting out a professional looking version, and then it will only be for reimbursement. In fact, I'll mention later about how anybody can get a better than ASCII version by picking up a certain program.
I started last night seriously checking the TAB and I've already found a lot of "small" errors. There will be changes made over the next weeks.
Thanks for any help!
\\||// ~~..'~ ( \ ) Brandon Vaughn \ c/ __\/__ "The Mad Tabber" / \ < . _ \ bvaughn@snowhill.com \ `\ \ -' / \ \ ,,,_ vaughn_b@popmail.firn.edu >|""O[|||||nn[:::< /_,--- ._\ '''''~ ~ | | | | |
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:32:11 -0400 From: "Blade Runner" <jean.j@videotron.ca> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Original SUBCONCIOUS CD Auction sale! Message-ID: <199708232032.QAA09738@bizet.videotron.net>
If you're interested in putting your hands on the number 183 out of 500
of the Subconcious CD, please make an offer.
The current bid is 40$ (US).
Also, I'm willing to sale two DT bootlegs: -Conciously Unreal
-Home Sweet Home
Make your offer...
Francois Jalbert e-mail: fra.j@videotron.ca
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 22:21:25 +0200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Parodies, Drum tab Message-ID: <01BCB016.6BD017A0@BEtor.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Korg Eksthrey wrote :
> Heheh... Even though the parady thing died out a long time ago, > here's a repost of my favorite one.
The parody thing didn't die... people just stopped posting them for a while :-p I'm *still* collecting them for Itchy's Dream Theater Homepage at http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/ And I still have to finish my porn-version of Metropolis... Wet-Throbolis ! _____
Dave A Boston (UK) Jammer asked :
> Has anyone ever done any transcriptions for the drum part of any > DT songs?
I have a drum tab of Metropolis, by Jordan "Wolfman" Hill on "Under A Cyber Moon" at http://www.prognosis.com/dream/ :-)
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:45:04 -0300 From: alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1) To: "ytsejam mailing list" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fates Warning ranking Message-ID: <19970823214745.AAA56590@alexis1>
Hey people! I didn't want this FW thread to die before i got my input on it. Well, here's my ranking for FW CDs (I will not include Cahsing TIme, and the only one I don't have is Night on Brocken):
1) APSoG - this CD just rules
1 1/2) Awaken the Guardian - I know a lot of you haven't even mentioned this one, but I consider it to be one of those CDs that you listen to it and go like "wow, this is a perfect CD". This CD has incredibly catchy melodies, incredible harmonies, great all around playing, etc. etc. etc. It has John Arch on vocals, and he's just great. Different from Ray, but just as good. This CD has a heavier sound than recent Fates, but it's definitely progressive. NOTE: Zonder is not the drummer, but the drums are still very good.
1 3/4) Perfect Symmetry - wow
2) Parallels
2 1/2) No Exit - a mix between Arch-era Fates and Ray-era Fates
3) Inside Out
4) The Spectre Within
Well, that's all I have to say. Actually, there's "Nothing Left to Say". :)
Alexis
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 22:38:30 +0200 From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ?:-| Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970823203830.0066b6bc@mail.telepac.pt>
1- How do we know where the accents are in a certain drum pattern? Do the accents coincide with the bass/snare/...? Does the drummer hit the hi-hat/ride/... 'harder'?
2- I just read Blind Melon's comment about DT in GFTPM magazine. Is this some sort of joke...?
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 23:41:40 +0200 From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I&W Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970823214140.0066b1f8@mail.telepac.pt>
Can anyone scan some songs from the I&W official guitar book and send me via e-mail (jpg/gif format)? I would be forever grateful...
I also have some books, if anyone is interested (Vai,Satch,Yngwie)...
Thanks
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:49:39 -0400 From: "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I gots a question... Message-ID: <33FF6902.E401F3F7@nh.ultranet.com>
Hey there, I was just curious if there were any other New England Jammers here? I am really wondering how many there were.... If you are a jammer from NE, drop me a line at AUTOPOWER@aol.com, I am changing my e mail address to this temporarily until I move, I can access AOL from anywhere so it won't be a problem after I get on. Thanks a lot... Lata, J
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