YTSEJAM Digest 2895
Today's Topics:
1) NEVERMIND
by zack@lsil.com (zack gemmill)
2) Chuck Woolery slams face on ground headbanging...to DT
by Uncle Dave <uncle.dave@asu.edu>
3) Re: This is gonna be rough...
by "David Rothlisberger" <drothlis@clear.net.nz>
4) so much for that resolution
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
5) Metal Hammer url??
by eddiee@usa.net
6) Subconcious CD Auction Sale
by "Blade Runner" <jean.j@videotron.ca>
7) mp3s from rsabbs
by Chris Daley <cdaley@gmu.edu>
8) Indy Ytsejammers
by Krysten DeBroka <kryt@indy.net>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2893
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
10) Re: I give up!!
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
11) Dream Theater Book of Knowledge
by "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
12) More stuff.
by "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
13) One of the funniest things I've ever read on here :)
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
14) EEEUUUGGGHHH! What a show!
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
15) Satch
by Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
16) Items of iterest for sale
by Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 97 19:04:03 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (zack gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NEVERMIND
Message-ID: <9708230204.AA07065@fas2>
I finally got through. Sorry to bother you all.
Z.
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:58:19 -0700
From: Uncle Dave <uncle.dave@asu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Chuck Woolery slams face on ground headbanging...to DT
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970822195819.007b4870@imap2.asu.edu>
>What about music for BOYfriends that don't know prog? :P
>Tenze
tell him it's the secret to a women's heart.
...or you could tie him down, and well you know....
play DT all night long. alllll night. make it penetrate his mind.
i promise he'll wake up in the morning with a smile on his face and love ya
even more.
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Rick McMahon * College of Business * Arizona State University * YtseJammer
Member Html Writer's Guild * A Nice Guy * ICQ UIN: 309117
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~~~ D R E A M T H E A T E R ~~~
"The label rep says to me, 'nobody's gonna pay $100 for the new
(7-10 cd box set) album. So I slam his face into the desk and say
'you make this (frigging) album or i'll break your (frigging) head!
Yeah, I think that got their attention."
--John Petrucci, the Jerky Boy
"THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME TO LIVE" -- #1 YtseJammer Song by DT
Y O U A R E N O T R E A D Y F O R S E P T E M B E R 2 3 !!!!
...no one is.
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 15:35:51 +1200
From: "David Rothlisberger" <drothlis@clear.net.nz>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: This is gonna be rough...
Message-ID: <199708230339.PAA13311@fep2-orange.clear.net.nz>
This is really more like a Fw: than a Re:....
A couple of posts ago, Shai Yallin wrote
> I live in a shitty dump (aka Israel) so I don't know
> much about prog.
> Now, can you please tell me who are?
> King's-X?
Well, I can kinda sympathise with this guy, because I also live in a
dump... (not Israel though; new zealand... but part of the reason it's a
dump is probably because I moved here recently). Good music is hard to find
here, and expensive compared to lesser types of music.
Some people answered his post with information on Marillion, but what about
King's X? Where's Angra from, BTW? I've heard _about_ them, but I haven't
_heard_ them...
Also, would anybody mind making a list of "top 5" or 10 or something
Queensr˙che albums?
Thanks a lot,
David Roth
mailto:drothlis@clear.net.nz
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 23:59:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: so much for that resolution
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970822234049.2543C-100000@pacman.rs.itd.umich.edu>
big 'ol set up, hang with me for a bit, coupla CD reviews while I'm at it
this post was gonna be about T-Ride, and how I went back after Bafu told
me that he listens to it almost every day, and It's his fave band/CD, and
how I found out they have some absolutely kcik ass musicalities going on
that I really didn't notice the first time around.....
this post was also gonna be about how I found Damn the Machine's s/t (and
only?) (and out of print? perhaps) album in yet another used CD shoppe
around here (How i love living in a college town! I'm gonna move to a big
city in a week, and I'm betting my musical "options" (as in finding what I
like to hear) will actually decrease).....and how i expected a Killing is
my biz type thrashy Deth thing going on and being pleasantly surprised by
the musicality present in that album.....really cool album, even tho some
of the songs sound a bit pieced together.....definitely a should pick up
for a lotta folks reading this......
and then, this post could have been about a few other things as well, but
then I opened the mailbox, and found a package from a guy named john,
who'd e-mailed for my mailing address with no explanation a coupla days
ago.....it's got a tape in it, and I figure it's tempest (MC band, who
were in town a coupla days ago for a show i couldn't get to.....)
and so the music starts, and it's a cool instrumental, and I'm thinking, I
gotta pick up a tempest CD......vocals start, they're cool , but don't
particularly attract my attention (i'm doing other stuff, so it's sorta
background)....the guy switches from his low vocals, to higher range, and
suddenly, some notes/vocals hit my attention......holy $#^% that's fucking
circus man.......COOL, he put You Not Me on here for me.....(he posted to
the jam coupla weeks ago about having the elektra sampler).....so it's
Quick Rewind, and listen to this from a whole 'nother P.O.V.....and then i
hear two words ..............
"new millenium"
and the NEXT SONG is You Not Me
and it hit me.....i got me a tape dub of FII
and so it begins, the litany of reviews that y'all are gonna get
absolutely sick to deth of over the next two months.........
and since the computer center i'm sitting in is now closing, you're gonna
have to wait 'til tomorrow to see my thought, if you care to do
so.........
It's good to be alive
Partha Sarathi Mukhopadhyay
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 22:13:17
From: eddiee@usa.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Metal Hammer url??
Message-ID: <ww02-BHweNq2964@netaddress.usa.net>
Does anyone know if Metal Hammer magazine has URL or email
address?
Bye.
____________________________________________________________________
Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:44:04 -0400
From: "Blade Runner" <jean.j@videotron.ca>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Subconcious CD Auction Sale
Message-ID: <199708230444.AAA28632@bizet.videotron.net>
If you're interested in putting your hands on the number 183 out of 500
of the Subconcious CD, please make an offer.
My starting price is 35$ (US).
Also, I'm interested to sale two DT bootlegs: -Conciously Unreal
-Home Sweet Home
Make your offer...
Francois Jalbert
e-mail: fra.j@videotron.ca
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:41:29 -0400
From: Chris Daley <cdaley@gmu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: mp3s from rsabbs
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970823014127.007c66d0@mason.gmu.edu>
>From: Mike Stoner <mdstoner@pcocd2.intel.com>
>> DT has done a version of it a few times, both live and way back in the
>> studio. It can be found on Lost In The Sky (Italian Bootleg -- you can
>> probably get it from Mike Bahr) and assorted demos and whatnot. There's
>> an mp3 of it at the official DT site
>> (http://www.rsabbs.com/dt/newstuff/sounds.html) but I doubt it works
>> because none of the other mp3's do. (I can't get them to work right,
>> anyway)
>
>We had some discussion about this not too long ago. The file permissions
>aren't set right so you have to use internet explorer and not Netscape for
>some reason. Anyway, I did that and they worked just fine.
>
Sorry 'bout the waste of bandwidth heh but I used Netscape Communicator
and the files downloaded and played just perfectly. Shrug....try anyways!
Chris.
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:43:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Krysten DeBroka <kryt@indy.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Indy Ytsejammers
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970823004251.3585B-100000@indy1>
Hey, Ytsejammers in the Indianapolis area, please email me!! :)
---Krysten
kryt@indy.net
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 22:49:38 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2893
Message-ID: <199708230549.WAA24225@goodnet.com>
Hi! Rogerio Brito writes...
> And just as a side note to Mike Bahr, he says (on his homepage)
> that "Guitar Talkin'" has ripped him off getting the acoustic songs from
> "Acoustic Dreams". I don't think that this is true, since the "Guitar
> Talkin'" boot has things (the artists chatting) that are *not* in
> "Acoustic Dreams".
Actually, the original tape I had included the chat, but I was
working under a 60-minute constraint for AD at the time. For the record,
when I say "ripped", they may have taken it directly or they may have
gotten it from another source, but the point is that Guitar Talkin' came
out nearly two full years AFTER Acoustic Dreams and yet contained the same
material. I'm similarly critical of all the Rush boots that are just
copies of the video soundtracks, and the DT boots that copy existing DT
boots. Perhaps the worst offender of all was Another Days of Dream
Theater, a boot that counterfeits an official release, two other boots,
and a tape that was freely released to all by Kevin Moore.
One time I knew I was ripped: the Uncovered boot, also by Kobra
who made Guitar Talkin', has the same Don't Look Past Me as on
Subconscious, but they label it "Past (Into the Sun)" on the back, the way
I had to change it for the Subcon label when I was still operating under
legal restraints at the time. It's clear they weren't fans of the band and
were just scammers out to make a buck. I still wish to this day that DT
would have let me release the Uncovered show first. Also note that Guitar
Talkin' is missing L.I.E. and the songs were re-arranged for some reason.
Anyway it's my humble opinion that no bootleg should be released
with material on it that exists on any other bootleg, if at all possible.
I'm not perfect but I try to conform to this. I have a Queensryche release
coming up (soundboard from the Rage tour!) and I'm busy digging around to
make good and sure it's never been released, or is at least completely and
totally unavailable (a la Vinyl boots).
> > 1- How is the Mission Impossible theme related to DT?
> > Did they do a cover song or something? Where can I
> > download a mp3/ra with the song?
>
> Yes, they covered it. It's on InstruMental II and Subconscious (same
> version) and a live version on "When Dream and Today Unite" The last two
> are Bahr releases, so either he or any number of jammers can help you get a
Both InstruMental II and Subcon are worth picking up in their own
right, of course. To all interested in the subtleties of DT boots, check
my page at: http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik there's detail on this and
more on the way.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:00:13 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: I give up!!
Message-ID: <19970823045654.AAA8462@sni.pananet.com>
> Ok, I give up.... I don't get it!! What am I missing on APSoG?
>
> I have listened to it at least 10 times now, straight through, beginning
> to end every time (not 10 times in a row, different days :P ), and every
> time seems just as boring as the last. I have Parallels and Perfect
Symmetry,
my recommendation: stop trying... let it sit there for awhile, and maybe
one day you'll suddenly feel like listening to it and love it...it's
happende to me tons of time with many CD's
> Adrian Legg doesn't interest me much. Again, that's just me
>commenting on my own opinions. Not meant to knock anyone or to sway
>anyone's opinions.
if you haven't already, give 'Guitar for Mortals' a try, it's his best CD
IMO
Ernie
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:14:09 -0600
From: "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
To: "Ytse And the Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Dream Theater Book of Knowledge
Message-ID: <199708230620.XAA16163@odin.ax.com>
Well, let it be said that I was an industrious goon back in college. I
printed out all of the DT content in all the jams back then, and gave them
to my friend. Surprise be to me when I find that he'd compiled it all and
put it in a notebook, along with a bunch of old magazine articles and
stuff from Metal Edge and the like. heheh. Anyway, here's some stuff
about the band from an ancient Metal Edge mag that actually had a 4 page
story on them (in black and white, but it kicks ass!) The title is Dream
Theater Shoots "Another Day" so you can tell how damn old this is. It's
even got pictures of John and Rena and Mike and Marlene. I knew I'd seen
these somewhere. Anyway, they have a brief bio on each member, and what
made them start playing. Pretty kewl, I never knew alot of this.
John Myung: "You gotta keep your composure, be ready. You're on constant
standby," noted John Myung, who played classical violin from the ages of
5-16, and picked up bass because a friend's band needed a four-stringer.
John Petrucci: John originally picked up the guitar out of jealousy: "My
older sister was taking organ lessons and got to stay up later than me,
ans I was pissed. So I took the guitar lessons but hated it and stopped.
I got back into it at 12 and learned by myself," he says, naming Steve
Morse, Steve Howe, Alex Lifeson, Al DiMeola, Steve Vai, Allen Holdsworth,
and Stevie Ray Vaughn as his favorite axemen.
James LaBrie: James, from Midland, Ontario, grew up in a musical family.
He sang in church, shcool and with his dad, uncle, and brother in a
barbershop quartet.(Korg's note: LOL!) He got into rock at 14, and at 20,
took opera lessons for four years while doing session work and
commercials. Eventually, he'd like to do a solo album and a musical play
like Phantom of the Opera or Tommy. "As much as I love progressive music,
I'd like people to see another side of me. I love Journey, Van Halen, and
Aerosmith." He also likes Alice in Chains, Nine Inch Nails, Ministry,
Kate Bush, Tori Amos, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, T-Ride, and Metallica."
Kevin Moore: Kevin started playing piano at five and wanted to quit, but
his mom wouldn't allow it. Influenced by Ray Manzarek, Rick Wakeman,
Keith Emerson, then Chick Corea, Jam Hammer and Jens Johanssen, he "was in
bands since 8th grade, playing cover songs." New enough to video making
to find it "still interesting," kevin nevertheless hates DT's "Pull Me
Under" clip. "It was obvious how low-budget it was. 'Take The Time' was
more professional." The video for "Pull Me Under," the last song written
for the album, was lensed at a DT concert. (Korg's note: The infamous
T-shirt video. heheh)
Mike Portnoy: "On the forst day of school I'd always get asked, "Got any
complaints?" (a reference to the Phillip Roth novel Portnoy's Complaint)
noted Mike, who had the book at home, but never read it. the son of a
disc jockey, he grew up in a "very musical" household in Long Beach, NY,
listening to Led Zeppelin and the Beatles. "I was the only 10 year old
kid with 500 records. I was the rocker of my elementary school. I guess
it was inevitable that I become a musician." He tried piano, "didn't get
off on it," and got his first drum kit for his 11th birthday. The Who and
Kiss were early influences, then in high school he discovered Rush, "a
band that had a big influence on all of us." His current collection
ranges from the Beatles to Pink Floyd, Public Enemy, the Beastie Boys,
Jane's Addiction, Fishbone, Pantera, Primus, Porno for Pyros, and
Ministry. Outside music, his passions are boxing and films, "the stranger
the better," a la David Lynch. (He has a Twin Peaks tattoo on his right
leg.
heh. Ain't it funny how our happy band came about their passions
reluctantly at first? Imagine if Mike had stuck with piano. hahahah.
Fucking Fear!
KorgX3
KorgX3@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:50:31 -0600
From: "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
To: "Ytse And the Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: More stuff.
Message-ID: <199708230656.XAA16563@odin.ax.com>
Heheh... Even though the parady thing died out a long time ago, here's a
repost of my favorite one.
Puh' Pounded by Michelle Garcia by Dream Theater.
Burning in my belly
Last call came too late
Feels like there's an icepick in my head.
The vomit I've been sleeping in
Has stuck me to the bed.
I'm feelin' sleazier than a stinky pig
Wallowing in the sty.
Can't tell up and down from left and right
And I feel like a vampire in the light.
Suddenly, and alarm blares on
As I wake up and technicolor yawn.
Stomach's quakin'
And noises wake him up tired eyes
Where there once were memories
Now nothing in his head.
By the toilet is the mirror
At his haggard face he glances
Can't remember how ho got into his bed.
And rushing to the window
He throws up on it and out against the wall.
And starts digorging everyone and all
Bud Lites he pounded.
He's had a long, long night
It took a while to recover
Now for breakfast, he has to make the choice
Lite or dark?
Dark or lite?
Draft or dry?
Lite or ice?
His bladder can't take more of this
he stumbles off to take a piss
On his shoes he makes a stain
The suede will never be the same
He staggers to the sofa
Cracks a can and struggles to recall
And from a slick commercial hears it call
"Let Bud Lite confound you"
Was driving round and round
When I heard that blue-and-white pull up behind me
He sent me sprawling, gun-butt to the head
And from the BAC they found in me, I should be dead.
I thought I'd have to pay a fine
Instead, they beat me nearly deaf and blind.
I thank you ociffer
I crawled away without a DUI
And now I'm free to drink and drive and drink
Tomorrow, I'll go out again, I think.
Tonight i'll still be lying here
Hung over from all the Bud.
heheh. By the way, I don't have a fucking Qlew[tm[ where he found it, but
my bud has a nice big color pic of Derek when he still had his longass
hair. I'll take a trip to the scanner and post it somewhere tomorrow.
Kewl pic of him posing with a Peavey DPM 3. There's lotsuv other kewl DT
stuff I'll get around to posting sometime. heheh No wonder he called it
the "Book of Knowledge" when he bestowed it upon me.
KorgX3
KorgX3@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:30:52 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: One of the funniest things I've ever read on here :)
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970823013051.00838700@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 12:02 AM 8/23/97 -0700, KorgX3 wrote:
>His bladder can't take more of this
>he stumbles off to take a piss
>On his shoes he makes a stain
>The suede will never be the same
Chuck, I almost fell off of my friggin' seat when I read this.
THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS, DUDE!!!! YOU RULE!!! ;)~
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 02:50:21 -0700
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: EEEUUUGGGHHH! What a show!
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970823025011.006a70a0@cats.ucsc.edu>
First off, sorry Zach about you not getting directions to the show. What a
hell of a night. I'll let the detail mongers do the big cescriptions, but
let me say two words: Mike (fucking) Portnoy!! He was there! He played
"Would" by Alice in Chains along with the rest of Enchant after their
normal set, and he sang backup vocals during "Life in Still Water" !!!!! I
got my Fates grey shirt signed by him. :) Unfortunately I had to go home
(1 hour drive) and couldn't get the rest of Fates' signatures. :(
Wow. I need a copy of the show. Where's Dr. Mosh? Gimme gimme gimme.
ugh. delerious sleep-deprived ranting mode off.
__ /\ __ Chris Oates: aspect@cats.ucsc.edu
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 12:40:58 +0200
From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Satch
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970823104058.0066e438@mail.telepac.pt>
Does anyone have the guitar tab/midi for Satriani's
'The Mystical Potato Head Groove Thing'?
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 08:44:57 -0400
From: Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Items of iterest for sale
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970823084457.0068e924@mail.ee.net>
Sorry I couldn't post this to the YTSJAM-FOR-SALE list...
I just don't listen to these hardly at all
anymore. Seems like someone else would dig
them more than me.
They are all used by me only and in excellent
condition. There is only one of each. Except
for Uncovered, they are all originals (not copies).
I am not a dealer, these are all from my
collection (not the song, Itchy).
$75 - High Demand Double CDs
Lost in the Sky (collector's case)
The Dance of Eternity
$50 - Double CDs
Live in Long Island I & II
Lords of Sound
Wake Up
A Kick into a Dream
Uncovered (CDR with no case liner or label)
$30 - Single CDs
Majestic Harmonies
Dream out Loud
All payments required by US money order.
Sorry, but buyers in continental USA will be given
first preference.
Serious inquiries only to jkruger@ee.net
Joe
jkruger@ee.net
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