YTSEJAM Digest 2894
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Roland VK-7 and JP-8000
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
2) Re: JP Clinic in Tampa
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
3) I got a eoj
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
4) downloading mp3's from official DT site
by Mike Stoner <mdstoner@pcocd2.intel.com>
5) Fates Warning
by caber1@concentric.net
6) Re: Fates Last Night
by "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
7) My Goof
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
8) King's X Acoustic
by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
9) We can only disagree
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
10) HELP: FATES SHOW IN FREMONT TONIGHT
by zack@lsil.com (zack gemmill)
11) I Know It All...really!!!
by caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:16:25 -0400
From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Roland VK-7 and JP-8000
Message-ID: <33FE0FB9.83028C7F@caribe.net>
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Rick Barkhouse wrote:
> ool, finally some keyboard talk on the Jam!
>
> I've played both of these machines, and I have to say that the JP-8000
>
> rokz some serious nadz... much better than our man Derek's Korg
> Prophecy
> any day :)
>
Does Derek use the profecy as well...ive always though Derek used the
Trinity...and i dont know about the profecy..being a solo oriented
keyboard, but the trinity surely kicks any rolands ass out of
anyplace....
--"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com mailto:progboy@mindless.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ):1254229
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<HTML> Rick Barkhouse wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>ool, finally some keyboard talk on the Jam!
<P>I've played both of these machines, and I have to say that the JP-8000 <BR>rokz some serious nadz... much better than our man Derek's Korg Prophecy <BR>any day :) <BR><A HREF="http://dragon.acadiau.ca/~015691b"></A> </BLOCKQUOTE> Does Derek use the profecy as well...ive always though Derek used the Trinity...and i dont know about the profecy..being a solo oriented keyboard, but the trinity surely kicks any rolands ass out of anyplace.... <BR>
<P>-- <BR>
<P> "At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. <BR> The risk to survival is severe." <BR> Ian Malcolm <BR> <A HREF="http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro">http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro> <BR> <A HREF="mailto:calfaro@caribe.net">mailto:calfaro@caribe.net</A> <A HREF="mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com">mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com</A> <BR> <A HREF="mailto:progboy@mindless.com">mailto:progboy@mindless.com</A> <BR> Universal Internet Number (ICQ):1254229 <BR> </HTML>
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:23:51 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: JP Clinic in Tampa Message-ID: <33FE1176.9A67A1C2@caribe.net>
John Gilbert wrote:
> To finish the show he played the two short songs from the sega game, > necrominicon or something....all i have to say is...HOLY SHIT! > you guys gotta get this game, just for the 4 mins worth of music. > The most prog ballz n chunk he's done, and with some industrial > sounding > effects as well, it can't be beat.
i dont know..this has been discussed before..but ...where is that sega gaME?? ..My little..(16) brother is a very big gaming fan..as well as DT, and hes always following the mags etc...and if the game is for the Sega saturn..it hasnt come out..at least not in the US..and it probably wont...sega;s not making many much saturn games to release after this year and with titles like tomb raider 2 hitting stores i dont think there will be enought interest for a "pinball game"..if anyone knows directly from sega or from a related company please speak up...my brother and I seriously want this game.
"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com mailto:progboy@mindless.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ):1254229
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:53:50 -0700 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I got a eoj Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970822155342.006d4560@cats.ucsc.edu>
:)
Here goes Wacky:
>Pedro, I think you have been led astray at some point in your life, >hopefully not by someone here on the ytsejam. ;) Accents are defined, >both their placement and magnitude, by the musicians who write the music >that contains the accents. Asking where accents were NOT supposed to be >is like asking DaVinci where the plates were supposed to be. You get my >drift?
Um, oops, that would be me, the musical heretic. :) Just to say it one more time, loud and clear so (hopefully) no one misunderstands me: There is no rigth and wrong in music. All the theory I've been throwing out only has to do with "standard" versus "nonstandard" -- "common" versus "uncommon" -- Since notation and theory were designed around the common, it helps to know this so that, when the uncommon comes along, it can be notated in a way that captures the spirit of the original music. That's all, end of soapbox (for now) :) Please, I (and theory) am not trying to stifle anyone's creativity, just trying to help people explain the music in a clear way so everyone can be saying and meaning the same thing.
__ /\ __ Chris Oates: aspect@cats.ucsc.edu __\/__\/__ +---- \_||_/ | This space under construction. | /__||__\ | Looking for something new to say here ... | // \ | \\ ----+ \| http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:07:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Stoner <mdstoner@pcocd2.intel.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: downloading mp3's from official DT site Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.93.970822155801.74594B-100000@frc998>
> DT has done a version of it a few times, both live and way back in the > studio. It can be found on Lost In The Sky (Italian Bootleg -- you can > probably get it from Mike Bahr) and assorted demos and whatnot. There's > an mp3 of it at the official DT site > (http://www.rsabbs.com/dt/newstuff/sounds.html) but I doubt it works > because none of the other mp3's do. (I can't get them to work right, > anyway)
We had some discussion about this not too long ago. The file permissions aren't set right so you have to use internet explorer and not Netscape for some reason. Anyway, I did that and they worked just fine.
Mike
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:18:42 -0700 From: caber1@concentric.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fates Warning Message-ID: <33FE4881.1073@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
> From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) > Subject: Re: Warning of Fates, and George Farber is... > this brings up a question. Why is YOU always writeen in capital letters in > the lyrics. Is there a meaning behind that? I don't know, but this is another reason I think that there is some lyrical connection through out Parallels(notice the liner note thanks section, the last person is "YOU"). Another reason is the opening and closing lines of the CD(something that was just recently bought up here). All the songs have repeating themes. I get a feeling Matheos wrote these songs when he just had a fight with a close friend/s. I don't know, I just think of Parallels as FWs first and only concept album(for all I know APSoG is about sitting around going color blind, and doing nothing about nothing ;).
> Well, I don't know about the people that were talking about 'melody'. All I > know is that it bugs the hell out of me. > 'anyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyymoooooooooooore'. I don't know. It just sounds unnatural > to me. That has nothing to do with the melody. It just messes up the flow > of the lyrics (for me).
Usually it'll go along with the music. I've never heard Ray sing something that didn't flow with the song. I don't know a lot of music theory to back up my answer, but in my ear the music is very flowing. But never on a first listen. I'll usually get into it by just trying to go with Zonder's drumming. In a few listenings, the guitars sound in place, along with the bass, and vocal stuff(lead & backing). Well just listen at your own risk. :)
John McCabe caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:27:18 -0600 From: "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Fates Last Night Message-ID: <199708230033.RAA13901@odin.ax.com>
>Any one else who was >there please correct me if I am wrong, but at the end of their set, did >the singer say that they had just signed with Metal Blade Records
Enchant? It would be nice. I think Metal Blade is a bit better label than Magna Carta (maybe not much) but at least they aren't out to screw you as bad as Magna is, and they'll actually support your tours and press your albums a little. Magna basically sold through word of mouth. That sucks leg, cuz the bands on that label deserve better.
Mosh, you wanna confirm this? KorgX3 KorgX3@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:49:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: My Goof Message-ID: <199708230049.TAA24038@enteract.com>
Sorry about my Fates error. To this day I still end up calling "Point of View" "Parallels". It's what it was introduced to me as on a compilation tape, and I always thought that's what it was called, until I bought the cd. My bad.
> Untrained? I thought Ray was some opera singer, right?
I have it from a couple good sources that he is untrained. I didn't ask him when I met him at the show. > > The song is meant to be > > heard all the way through, and is meant to be experienced (meaning, don't > > listen to it unless you have time to listen to it, and are willing to > > LISTEN to it... don't skip through looking for solos or speed metal parts, > > etc...) > > I agree with these directions. The only thing I don't like are the > lyrics. I just can't figure out them out. :( I think this is FWs new > direction. I really can't wait to see what they do with their next > album. Especially since they now have a keyboardist instead of a 2nd > guitarist.
The album, as I understand is about a guy who woke up in the morning, about an hour before his alarm clock went off, and he didn't really fall back to sleep. He's sort of drifting in a partial consciousness (Drifting in and out, his mind never rests). This is something that most people can relate to. If you've ever got up before your alarm clock went off and just laid in bed thinking, you sometimes go off on wild dreamlike fantasies, and sometimes you have an amazing clarity about things... and then sometimes you stress out or get depressed. It's a mix of feelings, memories, ideas and the likes. > > Also, it has seemed to me that the majority of people who say Fates is > > "boring" are into METAL. Not Progressive. Maybe Progressive METAL, but > > not Progressive. > > What do you mean by progressive? ;-)
Progressive as in music that we term progressive on this list (complexity, meter change, key change... a lot of theoretical action in the composition) while not being really METAL. I'd even say that Fates is metal, but they're not rip your head off, in your face, adrenaline metal. Not in the same way that Megadeth is. I find Fates about 1000 times more aesthetically pleasing. :)
> Wait for Sleep NOT prog? Check yer time sigs, that one was a trmendous > bitch to get right. 5/8 to 6/4 to 4/8 and so on about every other > measure. I usually don't have a problem with time sigs, but that one took > a bit to figure out. :) Just because it don't rock don't deprog it. :)
I don't know if I'd personally call it prog. Generally just a tough time sig isn't enough for me to deem it as so. But that's just me.
> From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> > Subject: Windham Hill music
> > For fans of moving instrumental acoustic music, check out Michael > > Hedges _Aerial Boundaries_, _Oracle_, or _Breakfast in the Field_, and > > check out Billy McLaughlin's _Fingerdance_. Great work. Also, feel free > > to pick up a couple of those various artists cds from Narada, Windham > > Hill, etc, with titles like "The Art of Fingerstyle Guitar" etc. That's > > always a cool way to find some new leads to follow to some great new cds. > > I'd also like to add William Ackerman to the list of instrumental acoustic > music. This man is just awesome. Very laid back music (no balls and chunk > here), but it's some of the most beautiful music I've ever heard. My > brother, who has many acoustic CDs told me a year ago that Hedges and > Ackerman have a similar sound. But I've had a really tough time getting > into Michael hedges. Although I listened to "aerial boundaries" over and > over again about two weeks ago and it's kinda growing on me so I'll > probably pick it up.
I have sort of the opposite problem. Ackerman's compositions are extremely simplistic. On a video I have with him playing, he plays half of a song on open strings, needing only his right hand. Not much action, and pretty basic. It's relaxing music, but it doesn't hold my attention. He's got enough fans that he deserves a chance by everyone though. He's doing something right. For me, Hedges is the pinnacle of acoustic fingerstyle guitar. Better yet, he's the pinnacle of solo instrumentalists (meaning he is his own accompaniment on most of his songs... just him, his guitar and a microphone or two... no punch ins or overdubs. He's as complex as I think you can get, stylistically, and once you grasp his motives in each song, you get tossed into another world. I always end up in some weird Xanth-like (Piers Anthony anyone?) tale when I relax and listen to Aeriel Boundaries. I know when I first got the album, I didn't hear ANYTHING of value at ALL on the album, though I loved the other album I bought that day (Tuck Andress's solo album... really scary). I went back a year later, and couldn't believe what I'd been missing. My ear just wasn't redy for Hedges that early on, I guess
> Subject: DT CDs for sale
Man... I wish we could have a ytsejam-forsale list. I'm sick of all these types of posts. Every now and then they're cool, but to post the same shit over and over again, as if we didn't see it...
> From: Thrak75@aol.com > Subject: neil peart > > today at my law school orientation, i ran into someone who informed me that > neil peart's daughter recently died in an accident of some sort. any > confirmation to this rumor?
Confirmed.
> > While Parallels does sound "commercial" it is still great! I think the > > lyrics on this album as a whole are the best overall. This CD is in my > > mind a concept album. > > this brings up a question. Why is YOU always writeen in capital letters in > the lyrics. Is there a meaning behind that?
No. It's a big typo. They ran out of lower case o's and u's.
> Actually, Chris, as a non-fan, I must disagree with you. ASPOG, aside from > No Exit and Inside Out, was the easiest CD for me to get into...
I don't so much mean that it's hard to get into as I mean it's not mean for you to put on track 5 and hit repeat, like you might do with your favorite song off Awake. It's all meant to flow, and chopping it up will give you a less pristine first impression.
> > For fans of moving instrumental acoustic music, check out Michael > >Hedges _Aerial Boundaries_, _Oracle_, or _Breakfast in the Field_, and > > must include 'Taproot' in there. It's the only one by him I've heard, but > it kicks major ass. I actually like it better than Adrian Legg
Taproot is one of my favorite cds, but I don't see it as something that Joe Jammer would like. That's not fair of me, but I just think it's a little too experimental for some people. With a writing style as deep and complex as Hedges, I would introduce people to his music with his more tangable efforts. Nothing beats "Rootwitch" off Taproot though. Easily my favorite Hedges song. Aerial Boundaries is seen as Hedges Opus Magna or however that goes. It's the standard to which all experimental fingerstyle guitar is compared. Adrian Legg doesn't interest me much. Again, that's just me commenting on my own opinions. Not meant to knock anyone or to sway anyone's opinions.
> ugh, this post is getting too long.
Never stopped me... :) Chris Ptacek at EnterAct, L.L.C -- (773) 248 8511 http://www.enteract.com (business) http://www.prognosis.com/madsman/ (my contribution to --------------------------------- the vast wealth of "To err is human... to suck out | underdeveloped one's brain with an orally | web sites) deployed flesh tube is not."-MS| **************** ---------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:54:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytse Jam) Subject: King's X Acoustic Message-ID: <199708230054.TAA15526@tundra.winternet.com>
Jammers,
I attempted to post this a while back, but somehow it bounced so here it is again. I deleted the non pertanent stuff...
I just picked up my King's X Acoustic Spirits CD from Mike Bahr. I have a ll the KX releases including Building Blocks plus a few live shows on tape/video that have long since been worn out. This show is truly an excellent show, you can feel how personal KX shows are live. In this case a few of the band member's folks were present at the show and KX made a point to introduce them.
The production and sound quality on the Cd is great, and best of all won't wear out in a few months. I have a feeling this one will stay in the CD changer for a while. (Yepo, it has. Two weeks later it is still in the changer...)
later,
Nathan Bradley -------------------------------------------------------------------------- savaweb@winternet.com Savatage Fan Web Pages Trans-Siberian Orchestra Web Pages www.savatage.com www.winternet.com/~savaweb/tso --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 20:23:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: We can only disagree Message-ID: <199708230123.UAA28047@enteract.com>
> Finally, can anyone recommend other prog groups in the vein of Spock's > Beard, Enchant, or Shadow Gallery? Would I like Lemur Voice or Angra?
Based on what you explain above, I think you'd be blown away by both of em. Definitely worth checking both out (LV and Angra are two of the best bands I've found from this list) > From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> > Subject: Melody > > :) Actually, there's no complicated definition of melody, but I think that > in a lot of views, the last note of a melody is the most important, and by > not holding it out and giving it more power it can give an uneasy feeling > to the melody.
While I agree that one note may be more important than another in a melody, I don't think I personally could ever agree that the last note of a melody is always or even just usually the most important. If you listen to Hedges or Tori (two of the best great melody writers I can think of off the top of my head), you'll notice that they often employ these ideas into their writing... throwing in one note to catch you off guard and completely warp the melody into something else. They both often will sustain a note and end on a very short final note to add a sort of passion or urgency to the music. It's a sucessful trick for many. And I think that LaBrie does most of this stuff too. I don't think that the argument can be made that Alder's less of a vocalist because he sustains a note for a long time and ends abruptly on another. Geoff and LaBrie do that all the time. I can hear why some poeple find the melodies to be too winding, and hard to follow, but once you comprehend them, that seems to resolve.
> Chris! You ended a sentence with a preposition! Shame on you! The > correct sentence should be "The correct pronunciation depends fully on > which store you purchased the guitar at, asshole." :)
Grammer my English good so is not. Language is my English first, idiot so I am an. > From: BillB67@ix.netcom.com > Subject: I give up!! > > Ok, I give up.... I don't get it!! What am I missing on APSoG?
You're probably just not meant to. As long as you got the secret decoder ring that came in your APSoG Cereal box, you should understand the album clearly. Of course, if you don't like APSoG, "you aren't a real prog fan" (TM Korg)
> The techs at Ibanez workshops insist in saying 'Eye-Ban-Ez'.
That's the only way I've ever really pronounced it, and the only way I ever will. I used to sell em, and the people who sold em before I did also pronounced it like that. If you said you wanted an Ee Bon Yes guitar, I'd probably not have a clue what you were talking about. And if you said Eye Bon S, I'd probably yell at you until you agreed that it's Eye Ban Ez.
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Chris Ptacek at EnterAct, L.L.C -- (773) 248 8511 http://www.enteract.com (business) http://www.prognosis.com/madsman/ (my contribution to --------------------------------- the vast wealth of "To err is human... to suck out | underdeveloped one's brain with an orally | web sites) deployed flesh tube is not."-MS| **************** ---------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 97 18:52:16 PDT From: zack@lsil.com (zack gemmill) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: HELP: FATES SHOW IN FREMONT TONIGHT Message-ID: <9708230152.AA06777@fas2>
Hi, sorry for yelling, but could anybody in the Bay Area send me directions to Club Kaos? I called the # from the phone book, but it's a !%$# answering machine, and I can't call information for 510 since our extensions are 408 within the 510 area code (figure that one out?). I need the info within the next two hours. Still trying to call the radio station... thanks. In the process of moving so I haven't been on top of this.
Zach (408) 433-7686 or 433-8538
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:17:42 -0700 From: caber1@concentric.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I Know It All...really!!! Message-ID: <33FE6466.5413@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
I searched around for FW interviews to shed some light on the Parallels album. And I found it! I went to Dr. Mosh's FW site and there's an IRC interview with Matheos.
There it is the important lines...
Q: What is the theme of Parallels?
Jim: It's about the relationship of the band members to each other and to the audience.
I started reading through the lyrics and I've a new found respect for FW just look at the deep meanings of these songs...
-Leave The Past Behind is about how FW is doing another "long road" trip, "again." -Life In Still Water is about those annoying drunk fans that get "tired of screaming" when they find out that their "not reaching anyone." -Eye To Eye is about a groupie that "gave [him/herself] to [Jim,]" and Jim got hung up about his/her "cold" packs. [Side Note: Cold packes are those things that get cold, so you don't get sweaty palms. If your palms are sweaty you can't move up and down the guitar's neck as fast. So the groupie must have been on influence on Jim's playing.] -The Eleventh Hour is about stupid fans that try "to understand" what certain lyrics mean, but since they "ignore facts" or certain lines they don't get the real meaning(that's not me, it is? ;). -Point Of View is about an internet fan who didn't write "IMO" after bashing Alder's singing. -We Only Say Goodbye is obviously about when FW was an opening band, playing "[their] deepest thoughts," and the audience was chanting "goodbye." -Don't Follow Me is about a fan who tried to get back stage passes. But Jim found out that he/she was reading his "diary." So, Jim kidnapped the self-conscious fan, who keeps asking how good they(the fan) "look," and where were they(Jim & the fan) "going." -The Road Goes On Forever is about how the same boring stuff "goes on and on..."
John McCabe caber1@concentric.net
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