YTSEJAM Digest 2905
Today's Topics:
1) I&W
by Satu Reunanen <satu.reunanen@sci.fi>
2) No, nerdboy, setting the computer's clock to September 23rd will
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
3) Faith No More
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
4) ELEKTRA and our favourite band.
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
5) Steve Howe/Asia/ and best prog drummers.
by Jonathan Case <jcase@hadley.METR.uoknor.edu>
6) Re: SUBCONCIOUS CD AUCTION!
by Alison Clark <clarka@stu.beloit.edu>
7) Re: Steve Howe/Asia/ and best prog drummers.
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
8) Re: ELEKTRA and our favourite band.
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
9) Re: SUBCONCIOUS CD AUCTION!
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
10) Well, MP is almost perfect!
by beheader@sili.com.br (Pedro Prado)
11) Yes, Steve Howe has done more than Yes.
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
12) Oh my god, it's progressive rock content.
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
13) doh!
by Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
14) Helping Itchy get CD's =), DT shows
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2900
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2901
by szebro1@gl.umbc.edu
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 21:05:35 +0300
From: Satu Reunanen <satu.reunanen@sci.fi>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I&W
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970826180535.00678458@mbox.sci.fi>
Hiya gang !
Just the other day I was listening to that cd again and
was thinking to myself " I will NEVER get tired of this
cd, or any DT material anyways". Now I'm thinking are there
any NUTS out there who are tired of listening to this cd ?
Let me know do you still have this huge smile on yer faces
when you play the cd and won't ever stop wondering how
great this band is ?? You better keep that smile or I'll
come and beat the crap outta you all ! =) Just a small thought.
I'll keep DT's music in my heart till the day I die.
And I'll probably take it with me when I go to hell..
Have a nice day. Satu
PS: YNM was great ! And still is..
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 19:19:11 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: No, nerdboy, setting the computer's clock to September 23rd will
Message-ID: <34032C2F.6201@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
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Think I've noticed waaaay too much of a warm and happy feeling in the
last couple of jams. With that in mind, think I'll...
Mike deployed:
> But that's my opinion. I, personally, can't wait to hear it [FII],
> and have none of the feelings I had about two of my other favorites
> that have released CD's I didn't like.
Which CD's are those, Mike? :) And tell me, how long have you had these
feelings? C'mon, man, we need to know which groups they are, so the
incendiary may be countered....
Let's put it this way, WAAF (local rock radio station) must comply:
Play the new DT or the bumper stick is removed :)
Sully cut several drivers off in Quincy, drew gunfire from a maniac at
the Braintree split, then wrote:
> Hey, I'm planning my wedding right now, and the fights I'm having with
> my family over stuff make the flame-wars on here look like a love
> fest. "It's all relative" :)
I thought Incest was forbidden on the jam? :)
By the way, where's the wedding reception? I'lldrive by with FII blaring
from the truck. It'll be my little YtsePresent to you and the MRS. :)
You know, it's great to be back :) Can't wait till people who think they
have large nads start bashing the new stuff for no apparent reason.
There'll be a overabundance of material to work with...
WHO'S FUCKING NEXT????
:) <- Just in case people missed the 90 smileys earlier in the post...
Warmest Regards,
Jon
-- *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------*------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:29:53 -0400 (EDT) From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Faith No More Message-ID: <v01520d00b028a77ce0bb@[207.90.119.15]>
..Yeah, the latest one is excellent.
You may want to try "The Real Thing" and "Angel Dust"...BOTH are in my top albums of ALL-TIME.
Dan
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:10:58 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ELEKTRA and our favourite band. Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970826131056.0083c100@postoffice.syspac.com>
I sent an e-mail to a local disc jockey for our hard rock/metal station here in Phoenix. Look at what I got back. How about some action, people!!
~Vince
>Return-Path: <eddie@98kupd.com> >Return-Path: <eddie@98kupd.com> >X-Sender: eddie@98kupd.com >Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:48:38 -0700 >To: VGL@syspac.COM >From: Eddie Webb <eddie@98kupd.com> >Subject: Re: DREAM THEATER > >Vince: If their record label isn't going to get behind them why should we? > > > >At 12:34 AM 8/26/97 -0700, you wrote: >>VGL@syspac.COM (Vince LuPone) sent the following >>------------------------------------------------------------ >>Comments: >>Hey guys, >> How about playing some PROGRESSIVE METAL >>on yer show, there? Dream Theater's got a new album coming >>out (September 23rd, "Falling Into Infinity") and I think it would >>be great if you started playing some of the tracks off of the >>CD or the single that they've sent you. >> >>"Real Rock" should never be opressed. >> >>~Vince LuPone >> >>VGL@syspac.COM >>obscuredude@geocities.COM >>http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/6933 >>------------------------------------------------------------ >>Sender's server: p57048.syspac.com >>Sender's IP address: 204.181.57.48 >> >> > >
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:16:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Jonathan Case <jcase@hadley.METR.uoknor.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Steve Howe/Asia/ and best prog drummers. Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.970825221657.20335B-100000@hadley>
I recently picked up a CD of Asia, with heat of the moment. I'm wondering, is this the same Steve Howe as in earlier YES releases.
This is probably an obviously question, but can you e-mail me privately to confirm what's probably my obvious hunch.....
Another note:
Here are whom I regard as the best prog dummers out on the scene in recent times (and of what I've listened to...)
Rush's Neil Peart (of course!) Dream Theater's Mike Portnoy (of course!) Fates Warning's Mark Zonder Enchant's Paul Craddack ? Shadow Gallery's Kevin Soffera ?
I'm not totally sure about the spelling/names of these last two, but you get the idea! I think SG's drummer does some pretty amazing stuff in Carved in Stone. I can hardly wait for their new release "Tyranny" that I've been hearing about off and on.
Finally, what's this about Enchant having another CD out? I have A Blueprint of the World, and Wounded, but I've been hearing about a third CD (can't remember the title). How can I get it? Enchant must be busy, because they just releases Wounded this year as well, according to the date on my magna carta CD.
Bye for now, Jon
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:37:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Alison Clark <clarka@stu.beloit.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: SUBCONCIOUS CD AUCTION! Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.970826153138.47760A-100000@stu.beloit.edu>
> If you're interested in putting your hands on the number 183 out of 500 > of the Subconcious CD, please make an offer. > Current state of Subconscious Auction : > 45 $ - bidder :nsimard@mediom.qc.ca > Also, I'm willing to sale two DT bootlegs: -Conciously Unreal > -Home Sweet Home > > Make your offer...
Just as a comment on what's been going on on the jam lately--has anyone even commented on this? I find this much more obnoxious than Bahr's posts about upcoming releases--this guy's holding an auction over the 'jam. If you want to try to get the most for your CD, fine, but do it through private email. Everyone who is interested has already made their offer--no one new is going to come along and say, "OH MY GOD! I MUST HAVE IT NOW THAT IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE!" Please take it to private email.
Alison |\_/| |@ @| +--------------vvvV--<o o>--Vvvv-----------------+ | | V"V | | Alison Clark | clarka@stu.beloit.edu | +------------------------------------------------+ | http://members.aol.com/bardtirla/lair.html | +------------------------------------------------+ | "Death is the first dance eternal. Deceit is | | the second without end. Love is the dance of | | eternity..." --John Petrucci | +------------------------------------------------+
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:56:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Jonathan Case <jcase@hadley.METR.uoknor.edu> Subject: Re: Steve Howe/Asia/ and best prog drummers. Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.970826165349.14440A-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
OK, allow me to announce my return to Ytsejam with a response. Not having heard the Asia album inquestion, I do have to say that I am not sure what happened to those guys. The band, as most know, consists of Carl palmer on drums, one of the best prog drummers in existence, Jeff Downs onkeys and Steve Howe on guitar. Downs and Howe were in Yes, and in hearing some of Asia's hits, I really don't know what got into those guys. Don't get me wrong, I like Asia, at least what I've heard, but these guys were not the type to do pop music, especially Carl Palmer. BTW, any ELP fans can check out Carl Palmer's brilliance if you live around New Jersey or New York. September 9, or is it the 8th they are playing at the State Theater in New Brunswick NJ. Got 22nd row, the best seats I've ever had, except at a DT concert of course. ElP is also playing at the Beacon theater and in Atlantic City, of all places, wonder how that happened. NOw, don't all of you guys get too excited about my return, OK?
Reach Damon Fibraio at damon@shell.monmouth.com keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality Deviant of Reality All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars. Neil Peart of Rush
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:00:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> Subject: Re: ELEKTRA and our favourite band. Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.970826165724.14440B-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
I have one qeustion about this. What do you expect from a radio D.J. remember, these guys don't give two shits about music, they are trying to keep their listeners to generate advertising revenue. Radio is almost as evil as record companies. In fact, they are puppets of record companies. Remember, if it doesn't have loads of power chords, screaming vocals, bad drumming and loads of feedback with trite lyrics, why in hell would radio play it? Anybody think the new Genesis album is going to see the light of airplay? If it does, I'll be shocked. The only reason Rush got the airplay it had for Test for Echo is because they sound semi-alternative. And you really had to struggle to find a station that would play hte songs. When was the last time you heard Yes or ELP on the air? I have never heard Dream Theater played on the air except at the college station I sued to work at. I never heard Fate's warning, I only bought their cd through word of mouth here. If you want to hear radio play good music, try moving out of the country. I hear Europe actually cares about music as opposed to profits.
Reach Damon Fibraio at damon@shell.monmouth.com keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality Deviant of Reality All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars. Neil Peart of Rush
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:01:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Alison Clark <clarka@stu.beloit.edu> Subject: Re: SUBCONCIOUS CD AUCTION! Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.970826170136.14440C-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Well, I see that on my return, the jam is still the loving place it was when I left.
Reach Damon Fibraio at damon@shell.monmouth.com keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality Deviant of Reality All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars. Neil Peart of Rush
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:07:27 -0300 From: beheader@sili.com.br (Pedro Prado) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Well, MP is almost perfect! Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970826180727.006ad800@pop.sili.com.br>
Carlos A. Alfaro wrote:
>does your cd skip??... my brother and i listened to it *several* times >and we cant find anything wrong with the timing...anyone else find that >mystering miss-timing of MP?
Well, I listened to it again and I still think he misses the timing. I would ask you to listen it again, and pay attention to the mark of 2:07 going to 2:08. It's a VERY soft missing, but it's there! Mark the timing with your hand while you listen, then you will know what I'm talking about. Or better: use a metronome. Find the corresponding timing and turn it on with the music. Right after the missing he corrects the beat again, so it IS almost imperceptible.
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Vincent G. LuPone wrote:
> Um...nope. Wrong dude. If he seriously did make a mistake in the studio, >I think he would've gone back and done the track again, or do what Larz >does and punch-in drum hits. > >>Note: I hope you could understand, because, as you could see, my English is >>not perfect. > > Hey man, your Engrish is alot better than some American and English >Ytsejammers! Don't worry about it dude.
Yes, I really think he would've done it. But as I sad before, the miss-timing is almost imperceptible, I mean, it is so soft you must REALLY pay attention in order to percept it. By the way, it's almost confirmed that MP is coming for a Workshop here in my city: what would you think if I asked him this? hehehe... :-p
_________________ Pedro Prado - a.k.a. Beheader Email: beheader@sili.com.br - ICQ: 1271907 URL: http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/3551
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:22:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: Jonathan Case <jcase@hadley.METR.uoknor.edu> Subject: Yes, Steve Howe has done more than Yes. Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970826172000.3253A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> I recently picked up a CD of Asia, with heat of the moment. I'm > wondering, is this the same Steve Howe as in earlier YES releases.
<nod> the one and the same. he was on 2 asia studio albums (Asia and Alpha) and is on the "Live in Osaka" CD just released from BluePrint.
> Finally, what's this about Enchant having another CD out? I have A > Blueprint of the World, and Wounded, but I've been hearing about a third > CD (can't remember the title). How can I get it? Enchant must be busy, > because they just releases Wounded this year as well, according to the > date on my magna carta CD. > the album is called "Time Lost" and it's more of a "b-sides and unreleased" album. it's not on Magna Carta (from what i've heard, Enchant has decided to look for a better record label...) and is a Europe-only import.
* * * * * * * e-mail: syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com erotomania!: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/ offical lemur voice homepage: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur.htm
(c) 1997 Happy Fun Ball, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:31:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: Oh my god, it's progressive rock content. Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970826172322.3253B-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> OK, allow me to announce my return to Ytsejam with a response. Not having > heard the Asia album inquestion, I do have to say that I am not sure what > happened to those guys. The band, as most know, consists of Carl palmer > on drums, one of the best prog drummers in existence, Jeff Downs onkeys
it's geoff. :)
> and Steve Howe on guitar. Downs and Howe were in Yes, and in hearing some ..and what a great 4 months it was. :) have i mentioned that drama is the greatest progressive album of all time?
no?
i'll do so now. :)
> of Asia's hits, I really don't know what got into those guys. Don't get > me wrong, I like Asia, at least what I've heard, but these guys were not > the type to do pop music, especially Carl Palmer. BTW, any ELP fans can
i'm probably one of the few on the jam who is really into the new (and the old) asia material. No, Asia isn't dead. Geoff is the only original member left, but John Payne does a great job (with 3+ albums under his belt) on bass and vocals.
A quick discography:
Asia (1982) Alpha (1983) Astra (1985) - with Mandy Meyer on Guitar. Aurora (1986) - Japan only. Out Of Print. I need this. :) Then & Now (1990) - 4 new songs, 6 old songs. Live In Moscow (1991) Aqua (1992) - with Steve Howe, Carl Palmer, Al Pitrelli. 1st album with John Payne on bass/vocals. Aria (1994) - with Pitrelli. Arena (1996) Archiva 1 (1996) Archiva 2 (1996) Live in Nottingham (same tour as "moscow" and has wetton) - 1997 Live In Osaka (with Payne and Steve Howe) - 1997 Liev in Koln (Aria tour) - 1997 The Best Of Asia 1982-1997 this is the better one. this has quite a few John Wetton/Asia tracks redone by Payne/Downes.
That's your progressive rock history lesson for the day.
* * * * * * * e-mail: syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com erotomania!: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/ offical lemur voice homepage: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur.htm
(c) 1997 Happy Fun Ball, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 00:16:57 +0200 From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: doh! Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970826221657.00664ff4@mail.telepac.pt>
Has anyone already noticed that the Simpsons theme is in Lydian?
___ | Pedro Filipe ___ * | * ___ & | * | * | Francisco Miguel *| \ | / |* (FleXable) * | \ /|\ / | * * | \ / | \ / | * * | \ | / | * * * | / \ | / \ | * * | / \|/ \ | * 'Fuck Fuck Fuck' *| / | \ |* _|_* | *_|_ DREAM THEATER * | * _|_
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 20:09:51 -0300 From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Helping Itchy get CD's =), DT shows Message-ID: <33E9043F.19B76BFB@geocities.com>
> ------------------------------ > From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> > Subject: cd universe, my FII review, fuck you, bahr controversy > cd universe : > http://www.cduniverse.com/cgi-bin/cdubin.exe/lobby/frm=lk_itchy/
Hehehe, sometimes my fingers are faster than my brain. =) I meant CD Connection, I already had that one in my bookmarks. (duh)
> cd now : > http://cdnow.com/from=sr-223652
Cool, didn't need to change anything... =)
Lemme try again... Any jammer from São Paulo has the address of Clube Aramaçan??? I'd really like to know where the shows will be. =)
-- []'s /**********************************************\ |* Marcelo Vanzin *| |* vanzin@geocities.com *| |* http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ *| \**********************************************/
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 20:20:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2900 Message-ID: <199708270020.UAA10899@umbc10.umbc.edu>
>> I really didn't want to put this kind of stuff public, but th >> was such that I just had to post it. >> >Now why is it that you *just had* to post it? Perhaps to get other >people on the Jam to reassure you of your righteousness? There's >something called PROPRIETY, folks. According to my online Webster's, >it can mean either "the standard of what is socially acceptable in >conduct of speech: DECORUM" or "the customs and manners of polite >society." This includes not posting to a public forum what is meant >for private e-mail.
Amen.
Steve Z
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 20:28:14 -0400 (EDT) From: szebro1@gl.umbc.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2901 Message-ID: <199708270028.UAA11446@umbc10.umbc.edu>
> This is serious horse shit from both of you. These are publicly > relevant issues in a public forum. And you would never speak to me in > person, in private, the way you wrote in private e-mail. I don't take > kindly to people saying things on the net that they know damned well > they wouldn't dare say in person.
I, personally, won't say anything over email that I wouldn't say in person, and I'm sure there are many 'jammers here who feel the same way. This is what separates me <us> from all the dorks who use their internet addresses as a shield against dissenting opinions.
Steve Z
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