YTSEJAM Digest 2907
Today's Topics:
1) Shocked and stunned....
by djw_at_neon@smtpgate.walker.com
2) Superior
by Paul Kendall <pkendall@wave.co.nz>
3) Portnoy did NOT make a mistake
by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
4) New update available
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
5) An Idea DTC!!
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
6) Skylark album
by "NGA" <nga@software-ag.de>
7) blah
by Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
8) Cool CDs at cool prices
by "NGA" <nga@software-ag.de>
9) re: Queensryche CD Rom
by <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng"
10) YFFL
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
11) ACoS drumming and A fortune in Lies
by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
12) ELEKTRA and our favourite band.
by "Edwin Voras" <Edwin.Voras@MCI.Com>
13) Enchant
by "Edwin Voras" <Edwin.Voras@MCI.Com>
14) Release Date ...
by Hein Vandenabeele
15) RE: Falling Into DTC (no, not really)
by "Edwin Voras" <Edwin.Voras@MCI.Com>
16) Radio in Europe
by "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
17) Terwilliger
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
18) radio kings
by psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
19) Re: Yes on the radio
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
20) Re: Yes on the radio
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
21) Re: Yes on the radio
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 97 08:29:51 -0800
From: djw_at_neon@smtpgate.walker.com
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Shocked and stunned....
Message-ID: <9708278726.AA872666797@smtpgate.walker.com>
Hi,
I've just got to work and read my usual three-jam fix with my finger
over the down arrow ready for my normal
"flame-skip-non-relevant-slag-bahr-yawn" mode to kick in....
...and it didn't.
THREE JAMS ON THE TROT - NO SHITE TO SKIP!!!
In fact there was quite a bit of "happy families" going on - and about
time too! On to the normal rantings - I have to agree with everyone
saying that DT CDs just sound great everytime. I walk to work some
mornings (not this morning 'cause it's pissing down in the UK) and
when I do I always have my personal stereo with DT blasting. And I
always end up wanting to walk past my office and just keep listening
all day.
Can't wait for the 23rd (or is it earlier? - I'll try and find out the
UK release date today).
Talk soon...
Me Happy...
Dave (a UK Jammer).
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:28:59 +1200
From: Paul Kendall <pkendall@wave.co.nz>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Superior
Message-ID: <l03020900b02976a95261@[202.49.46.131]>
Can anyone tell me if there is a Superior web site that has a discography
and other info about the band. Also, are there on-line CD sites or other
sources available to obtain their CDs?
Thanks,
Paul
Paul
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 02:31:50 -0500
From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Portnoy did NOT make a mistake
Message-ID: <3403D7E6.65BE@auburn.net>
If he did, why did he play that part the same way on almost every live
version of the song I have heard?
The same goes for the similar accusation regarding ACoS. If you think
about the drum part for a bit, and take into account the fact that
Portnoy is musically gifted and is rhythmically insane, it is perfectly
logical to assume that these parts appear on the albums the way they
were intended to be heard.
It's cogent, deal with it,
Mark Peters
swifty@auburn.net
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 00:42:17 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New update available
Message-ID: <199708270742.AAA24784@goodnet.com>
Hi all.
Well, just a quick notice that the web page has been updated. Some
new things thereon...
* Updates to the recently-added bootlegging guide
* Mikey's Guide to CDR Media (commentary welcome and invited)
* New CD updates and all that official stuff
* Confirms that DT "Mosaic" is open for orders and such.
Coming soon...
* Scans of popular boot packaging so if you have a nice printer you can
run off some sweet copies for yourself, or if you're just curious to see
what it looked like
* Hopefully, availability on Tap the Rockies, Tori Stories, and Animated.
Take care all! The URL is in my signature below.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 01:58:29 PST
From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: An Idea DTC!!
Message-ID: <199708270904.CAA14536@ktk1.SMARTT.COM>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 08/26/97 11:55pm -0700
Hey,
So, I read vince' post and I thought, what a fucking prick.
Now, I thought about this before reading vinces post but after
reading what vince wrote, I thought it would be a good idea to
post this.
Vince did somethin cool by writing into the radio
station...and yet a few other people (can't remember their
names) brought up points abotu being controlled by money,
advertising and all that other bullshit. Then I thought about
what that DJ dude said in vince' letter, "If the record
company won't get behind them, why should we?" Well...we had
one big victory with ACOS and I am sure that was a kick in the
teeth to alot of people...and it proved one thing, DT fans can
get the job done.
Remember that mail in thing to MTV to get more metal video'
played about a year and a half ago (I think it was some QR
song) well, it would seem that ALOT of radio stations are on
the web. How about, everyone I guess, signs up or something
and we all send these stations email requesting the new DT
songs.
Not one big email full of names, but many many many seperate
emails all requesting a single song or whatever songs from the
new album they have. We just need to make a listing of all the
radio stations on the web that do play rock music, it doesn't
matter the style. Just request the hell out of it.
If fans really do make up a band, then hey, we can do this
promotion stuff ourselves. WHos' with me on this?
Mark Smeets/Stranger0/HTML Guild Member
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http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/ - personal page
http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/Front.htm - Megadeth F.A.Q.
A Bridge is not a high place
The fifty-second floor
Icarus would nkow
A Mountain isn't too far to fall
When you've Fallin' from the Moon - Marillion, Brave - Fallin' from the Moon
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:14:03 +0200
From: "NGA" <nga@software-ag.de>
To: "The Ytsejam Crowd" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Cc: <nga@software-ag.de>
Subject: Skylark album
Message-ID: <9708270919.AA22476@server3.software-ag.de>
Hi all
here's a question primarily aimed at our Italian friends, but anybody
else is, of course, also welcome to provide answers.
I've heard good things about the album "Dragon's Secret" by the
Italian band Skylark. I've been told or read that the music is like a
cross between Angra and Symphony X, but that the production is
cheap and crappy. So my question - can any of you good people
recommend this album? Answers either to the Jam or to me here
at the office.
Review update: I recently gave the album 'Visions' by Stratovarius
7.5/10. I have since listened to this album a few times more, and
I would now award an improved 9/10. But I still think that the speed/
power stuff is a bit overdone. Any Kraut Jammers going to see them with
Conception in Offenbach - perhaps we can get drunk
together afterwards.
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop
(nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Handsome - Handsome (no, NOT Hanson!)
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:14:51 +0200
From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: blah
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970827101451.0067dc28@mail.telepac.pt>
1-How do I get the back 'issues' of the Jam?
2-How does Petroochee (yep!)achieve those acoustic
sounds (Pull Me Under, Acos) LIVE? Does he use a
real acoustic guitar or just an electric guitar?
3-Know I'm paying attention, there are LOTS of tv
themes written in Lydian: Simpsons,Jetsons,...
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:38:23 +0200
From: "NGA" <nga@software-ag.de>
To: "The Ytsejam Crowd" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Cc: <nga@software-ag.de>
Subject: Cool CDs at cool prices
Message-ID: <9708271239.AA21871@server3.software-ag.de>
Hi all
here's a tip for all of you stateside Jammers who are looking for stuff by
bands like Tiamat, The Gathering, Samael, Theatre Of Tragedy, Moonspell
etc. at give-away prices. Go check out the home page of Century Media
(http://www.centurymedia.com). All of the above stuff is there and they are
letting you have lots of it for a mere $ 10 per album! I wish we had prices
like that here in Krautland. I also found out from the page that Tiamat and
The Gathering will be on tour together in Germany in October: see you all
in Offenbach!
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop
(nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Summoning - Lug-Burz
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 97 9:57:36 EDT
From: <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng"
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: re: Queensryche CD Rom
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+061,oA@tcx.tcco.com>
>From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: Queensryche 2CD CD-ROM for SALE
>
>Send offers. I originally paid $49+ for it.
>
>I'm only asking $30, since it's been awhile and I need to get rid of it.
>Price includes me paying the shipping.
Dude, you got ripped off. Software Etc has it for $15.
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:04:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: YFFL
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970827100309.22242H-100000@bdmserver>
Well the Ytsejam Fantasy Football League was early this morning.
Jason Hartman got the prized player of Brett Favre....
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| Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
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| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
| New Dream Theater-September 23, 1997 |
| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:30:54 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ACoS drumming and A fortune in Lies
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.970827092030.18577B-100000@rossby>
>> does your cd skip??... my brother and i listened to it *several* times
>> and we cant find anything wrong with the timing...anyone else find that
>> mystering miss-timing of MP?
>I don't know about that part, but there is a part in ACoS <in "The Crimson
>Sunset" where he goes into 12/8 and hits the hat <or the splash--I'm not
>sure which> on the second eighth of each triplet and his timing gets way
>off.
Steve,
Are you referring to the actual CD ACoS? Mike Portnoy's timing
is NOT way off!! That's a ridiculous thing to say.....He simply
syncopates the rhythm by accenting the second note of every triplet on
the china type cymbal (not HH ot splash), but he still maintains the timing
perfectly!
Don't take this as a flame or anything. I'm a drummer and listen to and
pick up on these type of deals.....
Dream Theater does some composing by deliberately chopping off an eighth
note of a sixteenth note (or adding one or the other), but still maintain
the time. An example that I'm still struggling with is in "A
fortune in lies". In the pre-chorus part, It seems as though they're
chopping a sixteenth note off to make a 15/16 measure instead of 4/4
time. Anyone else notice this? Does it seem like 15/16 time or 4/4 time?
-Jon
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:28 -0700 (MST)
From: "Edwin Voras" <Edwin.Voras@MCI.Com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: ELEKTRA and our favourite band.
Message-ID: <19970827153223.AAB1060@localHost>
Vince sent us this:
>I sent an e-mail to a local disc jockey for our hard rock/metal station
>here in Phoenix. Look at what I got back. How about some action, people!!
>
>~Vince
>
>
>>Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:48:38 -0700
>>To: VGL@syspac.COM
>>From: Eddie Webb <eddie@98kupd.com>
>>Subject: Re: DREAM THEATER
>>
>>Vince: If their record label isn't going to get behind them why should we?
Can you say Mail Bomb boys and girls!
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:38 -0700 (MST)
From: "Edwin Voras" <Edwin.Voras@MCI.Com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Enchant
Message-ID: <19970827153824.AAA24603@localHost>
Jon Case wrote:
>Finally, what's this about Enchant having another CD out? I have A
>Blueprint of the World, and Wounded, but I've been hearing about a third
>CD (can't remember the title). How can I get it? Enchant must be busy,
>because they just releases Wounded this year as well, according to the
>date on my magna carta CD.
Yes they have another CD out. It's only available as an import right
now. Try ordering it through German Music Express
(http://www.musicexpress.com/) I got it from there and got it very
quickly too. It kicks butt too. I highly recommend it. It explains
when they wrote it all inside the booklet also.
Later,
eD
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Date: 27 Aug 97 17:48:28 EDT
From: Hein Vandenabeele
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Release Date ...
Message-ID: <9708271850.AA8561@NYC-NTGW-N02.ny.jpmorgan.com>
When is the Belgian release date for FII ???????
H.
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:54 -0700 (MST)
From: "Edwin Voras" <Edwin.Voras@MCI.Com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: Falling Into DTC (no, not really)
Message-ID: <19970827155443.AAA5182@localHost>
The Eckster wrote:
>Yeah, if it were only so simple. KUPD's the valley's ONLY hard
>rock/metal station still in the biz out here. If _I_ had to give up KUPD,
>that'd leave me with the options of 2 alternative stations, 1 really
>festering hip hop station, and about 50 country stations (not including
>the Mexican channels!) Not an appetizing palette.
Unfortunately for us PHX pholks that is so true. Thats why I never
listen to the radio anymore, but just for the support of our beloved
DT it's time to start a phone and E-mail deluge on 98 Kupd I thinks.
Just my .03 1/2 cents worth.
Ytse on,
eD
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:47:24 PDT
From: "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Radio in Europe
Message-ID: <19970827164724.14517.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hey Jammers.
>I hear Europe actually cares about music
>as opposed to profits.
No such luck.I live in Finland, and all the radio stations play is pop
and techno shit.Or the stuff thatīs "in" at the moment.Which almost
always sucks.
Has anyone heard the new Metallica song called:"Fuel"?I think itīs
pretty good.Better than the stuff on Load, anyway.
-Vilzu-
"I can learn to resist,anything but temptation"
Rush:"Resist"
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:02:55 -0700
From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Terwilliger
Message-ID: <199708271702.KAA16541@main.cfmc.com>
Went to the Marillion show at The Fillmore last night. That'd be Marillion
show number two for Adam. The first was an awe-inspiring experience...last
night's performance may not have been quite THAT awesome, but it was awfully
good. I UNDERSTAND why folks say the band is perhaps a little drab for
their tastes, especially on the last few albums. On the other hand, I think
Itchy's right about "Brave"...it really IS an album that demands close
listening. Or, at least, close listening will be well-rewarded. I'm still
partial to "Clutching at Straws" and "Holidays In Eden," but the whole
catalog is just awesome. And they are miles from boring in a live setting.
They're one of the most dynamic bands working and that sure comes through.
I was impressed. Oh, and Enchant opened. They weren't half-bad, either.
But you probably already knew that.
Five Gratuitous CD's:
=====================
1. Rush: Hold Your Fire
2. 24-7 Spyz: Harder Than You
3. Savatage: Handful of Rain
4. Melanie Phippard: Bliss
5. Bloodline: Bloodline
Adam D. Barnhart
adamb@cfmc.com
ydnt85a@prodigy.com
http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:05:36 -0400
From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: radio kings
Message-ID: <199708271702.NAA17249@kira.ici.net>
>> I don't know about you, but if I got a reply like that from my radio
>> station, it'd become my EX radio station in a BIG fuckin' hurry.
>
>Yeah, if it were only so simple. KUPD's the valley's ONLY hard
>rock/metal station still in the biz out here.
Once I got a CD player in my car, I got *real* selective about listening to
the radio. I used to listen to the two semi-local rock stations (WAAF and
WHJY), but now if they're playing crap, they're OUTTA THERE!
To be honest, I very rarely listen to music on the radio anymore. I can't
understand how an audiophile could listen to an FM radio broadcast of a
great piece of music without yakking on their shoes. :)
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E-mail: psull@ici.net
IRC: DDictator
WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
NP: Drain STH - "Horror Wrestling"
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:17:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: Too Much Coffee Man <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
Subject: Re: Yes on the radio
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.970827141711.2134A-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
OK, I shall now broaden that question. When was the last time you heard a
Yes song other than Roudabout or Seen all good people? And ELP song toher
than Lucky Man? There. Find an answer to that one.
Reach Damon Fibraio at damon@shell.monmouth.com
keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality
Deviant of Reality
All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars
All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars.
Neil Peart of Rush
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:40:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Yes on the radio
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970827143947.2500A-100000@umbc9.umbc.edu>
On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Damon Fibraio wrote:
> OK, I shall now broaden that question. When was the last time you heard a
> Yes song other than Roudabout or Seen all good people? And ELP song toher
> than Lucky Man? There. Find an answer to that one.
I heard the 1st impression of Karn Evil 9 by ELP on The Cult (104.3) here
in Baltimore a few months ago.
Brandon
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:54:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: Yes on the radio
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.970827145320.2134C-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
The first impression? Maybe you're thinking of the second impression, the
one that starts out with Welcom back my friends to the show that never
ends ... Yeah, you hear that sometimes, I never seem to hear it, if
anybody plays ELP, it's Lucky Man.
Reach Damon Fibraio at damon@shell.monmouth.com
keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality
Deviant of Reality
All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars
All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars.
Neil Peart of Rush
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