YTSEJAM Digest 2908
Today's Topics:
1) RE: Superior
by cmustard@netdot.com (Mark Lampert)
2) Metallica's new album and production
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2907
by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
4) Re: radio in Phoenix.
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
5) Shadow Gallery samples
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE>
6) yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by "flavio maia pimenta" <fmaia@alpha200.digiopen.com.br>
7) MP's drumming mistakes, Fortune in Lies
by hagai sadot <"winkle@internet-zahav.net"@parker.internet-zahav.net>
8) Yes...
by Jason Nixon <dumont@net-link.net>
9) YES!, Steve's, Howe
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
10) Yes & ELP on the radio...
by Steve Chew <schew@tis.com>
11) Enchant / Marillion
by zimbobmaniacalphysiopsychowarelephantitus@juno.com (Scott R Luttringer)
12) Who are these bands?
by Brenton McCraven <bmccrave@email.unc.edu>
13) Re: Yes on the radio
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
14) Keyboard Advice Needed!
by "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
15) Progressive Metal Fest in Baltimore????
by KyleTaraG@aol.com
16) Dream Theater SOUTH AMERICAN TOUR DATES
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
17) Remember the 80's, and My Guitar Wants To Kill Your Radio Station
by caber1@concentric.net
18) MP is perfect: this simple mistake doesn't make him "not
by beheader@sili.com.br (Pedro Prado)
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:25:38 -0500
From: cmustard@netdot.com (Mark Lampert)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: Superior
Message-ID: <19970827192144638.AAA211@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
Paul wrote:
>Can anyone tell me if there is a Superior web site that has a discography
>and other info about the band. Also, are there on-line CD sites or other
>sources available to obtain their CDs?
Though I have not yet searched for an actual Superior site, you can order
their CD from Knights of the Round CD Kingdom at www.knightsoftheround.com
. I believe it is available for 14.99 plus shipping, which puts it to $18
or so. Knights of the Round is a great CD ordering site as far as I've
dealt with them, and from what I've read from other 'jammers.
· • Colonel Mustard • ·
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:32:41 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Metallica's new album and production
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970827162619.27077A-100000@turing.ime.usp.br>
On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Ville Rassi wrote:
> Has anyone heard the new Metallica song called:"Fuel"?I think it=B4s=20
> pretty good.Better than the stuff on Load, anyway.
=09Well, in fact, I don't know what to think about the new Metallica
album. It will (supposedly) have "Devil's Dance" which is very heavy and
slow (something like "The God that Failed" and "Sad but True") and this
almost-faster-than-anything "Fuel". It is interesting, but the only time I
heard to this song was when I was watching one tape here at home from a NY
show, so I can't comment very much, but I found it very repetitive.
=09Maybe the'll have a better arragement/production. Let's hope this
is the case (who will be the next Metallica producer?).
=09Anyway, since we have so many people involved with music here in
this list, could you please tell us less enlightened people what exactly
the process of production is? I have some very vague idea, but I really
don't know what the role of a producer is.
=09Thank you very much for any light shed by your mighty
intellectual comments, Roger...=20
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:35:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2907 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970827153120.7480A-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
> From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> > To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> > Subject: YFFL > > > Well the Ytsejam Fantasy Football League was early this morning. > > Jason Hartman got the prized player of Brett Favre....
Brett Farve? Bah. Two words. Vicodin Man. "If Brett can't do it, the Vicodin can."
-jeremy "Who's looking to see Brad Johnson to Cris Carter TD passes all Fall long."
+=====================================================================+ # grad student, Boston U. # "Lots of people go to college for seven # # Boston, MA 02134 # years." # # Astronomy # "Yeah, they're called doctors." # #<*> Jeremy Hallum <*># --Tommy Boy # #<*> jhallum@bu.edu <*># Vikings Fan since 1979 # #<*>jhallum@dreamt.org <*># http://bu-ast.bu.edu/~jhallum/ # +=====================================================================+
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:46:20 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: radio in Phoenix. Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970827124618.00804750@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 08:46 PM 8/26/97 -0700, you wrote: > >> I don't know about you, but if I got a reply like that from my radio >> station, it'd become my EX radio station in a BIG fuckin' hurry. > >Yeah, if it were only so simple. KUPD's the valley's ONLY hard >rock/metal station still in the biz out here. If _I_ had to give up KUPD,
BRING BACK Z-ROCK!!! Man, I loved 100.3 back before it became the edge. I remember never listening to KUPD, ever. Once Z-rock left, I HAD to listen to KUPD because the only other stations I liked here didn't play metal. 93 plays AOR and 91.5 plays GOOD jazz. Other than that, radio sux here. KUPD's only real redeemable qualities are that death metal show, Into the Pit, and the Local 98 show. We've got some killer local prog metal bands here.
Nicole/Kirby, wroted: >signature they want to within each section and meet up at the end. Did >that make sense?
Is that question really necessary after this...
> Nicole Rene Stachowicz McWatters > Undergrad Professional Writing Major
;)~ Hey don't worry 'bout it. My gramur ind spiling sux.
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:49:58 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Shadow Gallery samples Message-ID: <34050376.938@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
I've only a 30 sec sample of "The Dance Of Fools" from SHADOW GALLERY's
first album. If some of you are intressted, please mail me and I will put it
on PROG OR DIE. The sample is in mp3 format and about 205 KB (zipped).
You can order Shadow Gallery's first album directly from Magna Carta.
If there are people who never heard Shadow Gallery, just buy "Carved In Stone".
This great opus is really one of the best Prog albums ever. Really :-) -------------------- BTW, my top 10 albums of the week :
1)Royal Hunt - Paradox 2)Dream Theater - Awake 3)Shadow Gallery - Carved In Stone 4)Jean Michel Jarre - Oxygene 7-13 5)Dream Theater - The Original Majesty Demos 6)Fates Warning - Inside Out 7)Jean Michel Jarre - Revolutions 8)Dream Theater - A Change Of Seasons 9)Fates Warning - A Pleasent Shade Of Gray 10)Dream Theater - When Dream And Day Unit
ARASH -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | PROG OR DIE - The Progressive Music Page | | | | DREAM THEATER - FATES WARNING - ROYAL HUNT - SHADOW GALLERY | | | | http://lionel.kr.fh-niederrhein.de/~ashouria/index.htm | | | | by Arash Ashouriha | | | | ashouria@kr.fh-niederrhein.de | --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:21:22 -0300 From: "flavio maia pimenta" <fmaia@alpha200.digiopen.com.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <34048C41.DF76CA0A@alpha200.digiopen.com.br>
Dt is going to brasil next september15!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:27:45 -0700 From: hagai sadot <"winkle@internet-zahav.net"@parker.internet-zahav.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: MP's drumming mistakes, Fortune in Lies Message-ID: <199708272023.XAA28835@parker.inter.net.il>
Hi everyone! There was a lot of stuff about Portnoy's drumming the last few digests, and as a drummer I would to share my humble opinion: I believe that although being a great drummer, Mike does make mistakes, and they are not that hard to find. In Caught in a web, at 3:22, it sounds as if mike "forgot" that he has to move to the HH cimbal. (that's only an opinion, it might have been deliberately). Another one (and this one's or sure) -In the Rush tribute cd WORKING MAN, Mike has a drum solo on track 2. At 1:37 , you can hear clearly his sticks hitting each other. It may sound stupid to some of you guys, but it's a mistake that shouldn't happen, especially not in a studio. In live performance, Mike's drumming gets a bit inaccurate. In his drum solo in YTSEJAM, in the "live in tokyo" video, his double bass drum part is extremly messed-up, and in the "live at the marquee" cd, his makes a mistake in the SOROUNDED opening part. (can't remember exactly when, don't have the cd).
BTW: Jon Case- about your FiL question: your right! they do cut-off one 1/16 note! At first I thought it's simply not accurate, because I heard only the live version, but then I got it!
BTW 2: about the best prog drummers issue, I think one of the greatest prog drummers is Deen Castronovo. Try Marty Friedman's "DRAGON'S KISS". The drumming, and the CD itself are amazing!! never heard anything as comlicated as this one!
That's all for now... Hagai Sadot
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:27:47 -0400 From: Jason Nixon <dumont@net-link.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Yes... Message-ID: <34048DC3.38FB@net-link.net>
> OK, I shall now broaden that question. When was the last time you heard a > Yes song other than Roudabout or Seen all good people? And ELP song toher > than Lucky Man? There. Find an answer to that one.
ummmmm, duh..... Owner of a Lonely Heart?
Jason
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:28:55 +0200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: YES!, Steve's, Howe Message-ID: <01BCB338.87A66220@Homm.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Richard Karsmakers wrote :
> The release date for the new DT CD in Netherlands is September 19th.
YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guess I'm gonna have to start bugging record stores to see if they've got the single yet. _____
Satu Reunanen wrote :
> I'll keep DT's music in my heart till the day I die.
Or until they "sell out" :-) _____
Jay Omega wrote : > Anybody else notice how many prog guitarists are named Steve? > Howe, Hillage, Rothery, Vai, Hackett...
Yeah... Lukather, Morse, Wilson...
_____
Syrinx wrote :
> Subject: Yes, Steve Howe has done more than Yes.
He was also part of GTR, along with Steve Hackett (ex-Genesis), Max Bacon, Jonathon Mover and Phil Spalding. In '89 he was also part of Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe :-) For those who have Queen's album "Innuendo", check out the "spanish guitar" on the title track... That's Steve Howe too :-) He also made a bunch of solo albums.
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:39:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Chew <schew@tis.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Yes & ELP on the radio... Message-ID: <199708272039.QAA00590@clipper.hq.tis.com>
> >OK, I shall now broaden that question. When was the last time you heard a >Yes song other than Roudabout or Seen all good people? And ELP song toher >than Lucky Man? There. Find an answer to that one. >
Well, I heard "Still you turn me on" by ELP and "Long Distance Runaround" by Yes pretty recently here in the Baltimore/DC area. But, those are still among the commonly played songs by those bands. When I lived in Pittsburgh, 102.5 WDVE used to play Yes's "Starship Trooper", "And You and I", "Changes", along with the more common songs like "Owner...", "All Good People", "Long Distance Runaround", "Roundabout", etc... They also played "Karn Evil 9 (2nd impression)" and a few other ELP tunes (including "Mars the Bringer of War (!)). Last time I was there, they've moved to a modern and classic rock style so I doubt they play Yes or ELP as often. Here in Baltimore/DC Yes and ELP just don't seem to be as popular, though they do play the above rarer songs once in a blue moon.
Steve
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:37:57 -0700 From: zimbobmaniacalphysiopsychowarelephantitus@juno.com (Scott R Luttringer) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Enchant / Marillion Message-ID: <19970827.133758.11174.0.zimbobmaniacalphysiopsychowarelephantitus@juno.com>
>Finally, what's this about Enchant having another CD out? I have A >Blueprint of the World, and Wounded, but I've been hearing about a >third >CD (can't remember the title). How can I get it? Enchant must be >busy, >because they just releases Wounded this year as well, according to the > >date on my magna carta CD.
I got a chance to talk to the guys in Enchant after the show at the Fillmore last night, and when I was talking to Ted Leonard, I was asking him when they were planning on playing in the bay area again, and he said that they are really busy because they want to start recording their next album. But he did say that they would like to put together a "Fan CLub Only" show. The guys were really cool, and I got them to sign my Time Lost CD. Well, at least 4/5 of the band. The guys in Enchant have heard the new DT album. I told Ted they should open for DT on the upcoming tour, and he said, "Yeah that would be cool. We got to play with them in Europe, but it would be cool to play with them over here (U.S.)" He also mentioned how Doug Pinnick of King's X did some vocals on the new album and how he was a King's X freak.
Marillion was cool, but I liked the Fish show better.
Scott
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:50:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Brenton McCraven <bmccrave@email.unc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Who are these bands? Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95L.970827163621.83552B-100000@login5.isis.unc.edu>
I'm planning to go to a progressive music festival this weekend in Chapel Hill, NC called ProgDay. Is there anyone out there also going? It's Saturday and Sunday Aug 30-31. I may only make it to one of the days so I wanted to get some opinions on these bands (I haven't heard of any of them). SATURDAY:
French TV Salem Hill Ozone Quartet Providence David Ragsdale (I know he played violin for Kansas but I'm not familiar with his recent material. I think his band includes the bassist from the Steve Morse Band.) SUNDAY:
Volare Smokin' Granny After the Fall Finisterre Discipline
I think there's a band called finneus gauge playing on one of the days also. Can anyone tell me something about these bands? Which overall lineup is better? Are any of them must-see bands? Help!
Brent
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:40:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Yes on the radio Message-ID: <199708272140.RAA13636@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
> > > On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Damon Fibraio wrote: > > > OK, I shall now broaden that question. When was the last time you heard a > > Yes song other than Roudabout or Seen all good people? And ELP song toher > > than Lucky Man? There. Find an answer to that one. > > I heard the 1st impression of Karn Evil 9 by ELP on The Cult (104.3) here > in Baltimore a few months ago. > > > Brandon >
I heard Owner of a Lonely Heart by Yes on 95.5 WPLJ in New York not too long ago.
I'm pretty sure Damon's question was a rhetorical one, though :) But who cares.........bwahahahahahahah.........
-Al
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I inhale the sun...........I exhale the absence of light I am the number One..........burning.
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Date: 27 Aug 97 13:44:14 -0700 From: "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Keyboard Advice Needed! Message-ID: <199708272200.PAA23743@mailsun2.us.oracle.com>
Can any of you knowledgable keyboarders out there recommend a decent keyboard (brand/model) in the price range of about $500-$700? I'm a guitarist looking to expand my musical abilities to the keyboard realm - I think it could juice up my songwriting as well. I know nothing about keyboard brands/models but I'm looking for versatility - in other words, a board that's good enough for about anything I'd like to do, since I'm not interested in buying more than one at the moment.. So a variety of sound options, a pitch bender, etc.. Any sort of built-in drum machine or rhythm programmability would be great as well, although that may be asking a bit much for that price range.. Please email me privately. thanks, -Neil.
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:07:22 -0400 (EDT) From: KyleTaraG@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Progressive Metal Fest in Baltimore???? Message-ID: <970827180540_-2072087879@emout15.mail.aol.com>
Someone posted a couple of jams ago about the possibility of a progressive metal festival taking place in Baltimore right after Thanksgiving. Can anyone else confirm this or give anymore information about it? I live in New Orleans, but if Fates Warning, Vicious Rumors, Elegy, Mystic Force, and others are on the same bill...I"M THERE! If anyone knows anything about this, please let me know...Thanks! Should be hearing FII in a day or two...I'll post a review -Kyle
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:54:24 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dream Theater SOUTH AMERICAN TOUR DATES Message-ID: <199708272254.PAA15482@gms.gmsnet.com>
Alright... I have some tour dates for South America, specifically, Brazil... on my web page... just click the Brazil dates link on the front.
URL in .sig below...
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:46:33 -0700 From: caber1@concentric.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Remember the 80's, and My Guitar Wants To Kill Your Radio Station Message-ID: <3404D878.3F4@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
> From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> > Subject: Re: Yes on the radio
> OK, I shall now broaden that question. When was the last time you heard a > Yes song other than Roudabout or Seen all good people? And ELP song toher > than Lucky Man? There. Find an answer to that one.
A Yes song, hmm... How about Owner of a Lonely Heart? I heard that last Saturday during a commericial break in MuchMusic's Loud show. Hehe, it's always funny to watch that show. You go from something like A.D.I.D.A.S.(or whatever the name of song that is) to "The Very Best of Elvis Collection." :) --- > From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net> > Subject: An Idea DTC!!
Anyone who lives in America that complains about their local radio selection should really read that post. But, I have a question. How are we going to pass around these email addresses? I don't think the jam will support the amount of every jammer sending in their local radio station(s) email address. So, anyone willing to give up web space, or better yet, setup a mini mailing list for awhile?
John McCabe caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:28:28 -0300 From: beheader@sili.com.br (Pedro Prado) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: MP is perfect: this simple mistake doesn't make him "not Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970827192828.006ab5c0@pop.sili.com.br>
Nicole Stachowicz McWatters wrote:
>Pedro Prado keeps writing stuff about how MP misses a beat in Metropolis >between 2:07 and 2:08. First off, my husband and I are both drummers, and >the neighbors hate us! I hate to tell you this, but we listened to it a >few times (actually, I played it about 10 times), and we came to the >conclusion (he faster than I) that MP is just playing a two measure rhythm >*IN 4/4* and does not miss a beat. He merely plays a pattern within the >time span of three eighth notes four times and ends with a pattern within >the time span of four eighth notes and winds up at the end of two >measures. In other words, he would play in 3+3+3+3+4, which equals 16 >eighth notes or two measures of 4/4. This is perfectly acceptable, since >the rest of the band is still playing in 4/4 and they all catch up with >each other at the end of that section. I really hope you get to go to >one of his clinics because he goes over the fact that the band writes >music in sections, and they each basically play in whatever time >signature they want to within each section and meet up at the end. Did >that make sense? Of course, I'm paraphrasing what he said. But anyway, >Portnoy's right. :) Hope this helps!
Ok, I understand what you're trying to say. But the missing I mentioned is not influenced from the time measure. It doesn't matter if he is doing 4/4 or anything else. What I'm saying is that he is doing a simple beat (just snare and bass drum) and he misses the last snare. Maybe my CD has any problem, but, even the missing being too soft, it's not that much that musician people can't note it. Sorry, but I still think he misses this beat. But, as I said in the subject: If this missig really exists, I don't think this makes MP a worst drummer. Even the best drummer (like MP) can make mistakes.
_________________ Pedro Prado - a.k.a. Beheader Email: beheader@sili.com.br - ICQ: 1271907 URL: http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/3551
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