YTSEJAM Digest 3306
Today's Topics:
1) Rhapsody
by "Henri Serton" <hserton@worldonline.nl>
2) DTIFC
by Neil Elliott <Images_and_Words@compuserve.com>
3) NEW PROGRESSIVE MUSIC WEBZINE & MAGAZINE
by matej setinc <katarina.setinc@kiss.uni-lj.si>
4) Sabotage
by psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
5) Houston Ytsevening II
by cmustard@netdot.com (Mark Lampert)
6) mitchell foy-gate
by Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com>
7) Guitarists that have lost it...
by "Mr. Matt" <MattG@apqc.org>
8) NO DT CONTENT!!!
by Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
9) Re: DTIFC
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
10) TSO Stuff, Metal on TV, MTV
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
11) tour shirts
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
12) B Sides
by MacAusland.Robert@ic.gc.ca (MacAusland, Robert: HFX)
13) TSO
by Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
14) Re: Fw: SPOCK'S BEARD LIVE IN "THE NIGHTCLUB"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Lisa Marie <peterson@fore.com>
15) Mike Bahr survives brush with death... kinda
by Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
16) ICE AGE (Monolith)...Powermad '97
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 18:21:30 +0100
From: "Henri Serton" <hserton@worldonline.nl>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Rhapsody
Message-ID: <01bcfe7d$90af35a0$LocalHost@hserton>
Just a tip for all Jammers out there.
I just picked up the album "legendary tales"
from Italian band "Rhapsody". It is an fascinating
mix of classical music and progressive metal.
I think it is absolutely great!!
More info on them overhere:
http://www.world-online.de/limb-music
3 Dec I will be in Den Bosch.
I hope to see some Dutch jammers there.
Henri Serton
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"Significant was the holding on to a collective
responsibility, a collective guilt. This is a
clear sign of a primitive culture."
-Jacques Le Goff in
"The culture of mediaeval Europe" pag 218
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hserton@worldonline.nl
http://home.worldonline.nl/~hserton/
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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:59:44 -0500
From: Neil Elliott <Images_and_Words@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DTIFC
Message-ID: <199712011259_MC2-2A40-37DA@compuserve.com>
>I don't need to know his address, but the question that I can't seem to
>find an answer to is: "Can I still send money to the New York address of=
>the fan club?"
Yes you can! DTIFC
Midtown Station, Box 1188
New York
NY 10018
And just to put everyone in the picture. The Fall issue of the Fan Club
magazine (#15) will be combined with the Winter edition, to become one. I=
t
will be in the mail later this month.
Neil Elliott - DTIFC
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Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 19:40:00 +0100
From: matej setinc <katarina.setinc@kiss.uni-lj.si>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NEW PROGRESSIVE MUSIC WEBZINE & MAGAZINE
Message-ID: <34830480.7F55974F@kiss.uni-lj.si>
Yo,
I am Matej a chief editor of 12th Dimension prog music webzine and magazine and
I all of YOU invite to our updated web page:
http://home1.gte.net/mawyatt/12D
please let us know what you think and what would you like to see on that page...
thanx,
take care,
Matej
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Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 14:13:35 -0500
From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Sabotage
Message-ID: <199712011907.TAA25456@kira.ici.net>
As a side note to the TSO/Savatage discussion.
I was half-watching a figure skating competition on late night the other
night, and one of the skaters was announced as skating to "Alone You
Breathe" by a band called Sabotage (their spelling, not mine). The music
started, sounded vaguely familiar, the vocals started, sounded VERY
familiar. I went over to check my CD collection, and sure enough, right
there on Handful Of Rain - "Alone You Breathe".
Amazing what you find when you're not looking for it. I kind of wish I'd
been paying more attention, so I could send a letter/e-mail to the promoters
correcting the spelling of the band's name. :)
-----
_____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________________
E-mail: (psull)-(at)-(ici)-(dot)-(net)
IRC: DDictator
WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
NP: Dream Theater - "Falling Into Infinity"
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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:23:15 -0600
From: cmustard@netdot.com (Mark Lampert)
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Houston Ytsevening II
Message-ID: <01bcfe8e$9270ac00$5d2227d1@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
If you didn't catch the first post, here's the second! This past
June, a few of the Houston jammers got together for dinner at Texadelphia
off of Westheimer for an evening of prog rock talk & food. The second one
will be coming up either on December 12th or 13th, a Friday or Saturday
respectively. It will probably be around 7 or 8 o' clock that evening at the
restaurant. If you haven't already emailed me and are interested, do so and
I will keep your email address for when I send out the address and phone
number to those of you going. Bring anybody with you that you want as well.
Hope to see you there - good sailing!
· • Colonel Mustard • ·
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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:57:51 EST
From: Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: mitchell foy-gate
Message-ID: <40825ad0.348316c2@aol.com>
what are you people complaining about?!?!?!?! JEEEEEEEEEEZUS CHRIST!
i thought this review was from sometime like the new york times or washington
post. but "poets, artists, and madsmen"!?!?
who the fuck cares?
it's reviews like mr. foy's that i believe keep periodicals like "poets,
artists, and madsmen" from attaining a level of importance higher than toilet
paper.
please- don't even bother sweating this ape. maybe there's a valid point in
arguing if the times or post write an excessively horrid review. but mitchell
who? whatever.
ytsegoon
************************************************************************
david y. kobayashi
the new york law school
thrak75a@aol.com
dkobayashi@nyls.edu
"can you hear
me
am i getting through?
drowning in a silent sea
or only dreaming?"
-j. matheos
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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:09:15 -0600
From: "Mr. Matt" <MattG@apqc.org>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Guitarists that have lost it...
Message-ID: <01BCFE62.B6A136C0.MattG@apqc.org>
>On another note, does anyone else think that some very good guitarists
>tend to get worse with age? Why should that be? I'm thinking of:
>Ritchie Blackmore - peaked 2nd half of 70s
>Yngwie - Superb debut album, dropped off from 'Eclipse' onwards
>Tony Macalpine - still good, but doesn't 'grab' me like the older stuff
>And a lot of guitarists I don't know mentioned on the 'jam whom everyone
>says are past their prime (Michael Angelo?)
I might have to agree with Mr. Agar on this one guys. But, I think what
happens with a lot of guitarists is that they get "bored" with playing the
stuff that got them so much acclaim in the first place. I can understand
this to some extent (I mean, how different can Yngwie make all of those
neo-classical songs sound?). The most obvious case in point for me is one
Mr. Paul Gilbert. Or even the whole band, Mr. Big. Listen to that first
album! It rocks hard (rides free, hehe) from start to finish (ballads
excluded, of course). But then Paul seemed to get fed up with the whole
ripping thing - much to the disappointment of Racer X fans who saw Mr. Big
as the answer to a lot of guitar-prayers for a band that kicked ass and
took names. Malmsteen also tripped out on his Eclipse album in favor of a
more bluesy style "feeling" kind of approach to soloing.
Why? I dunno. I realize most of these guitarist started out as wide-eyed
fans of the best guitarists of their youth. Most of which were basically
blues players (Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, etc). Maybe they wanted to "get
in touch with their roots". Richie Kotzen was another shred-head who could
whip out some beautiful, melodic stuff, and did so on his first couple of
albums. But, then came "Mother's Head Family Reunion". What was it?
Sounded like the soundtrack to Boogie Nights with better guitar. Nuno?
Still a relatively good songwriter and not the worst singer around, but by
the third Extreme album he was already holding back his substantial chops.
WHY?! Maybe they just run out of steam. It's easier to take the abrupt
end of a promising career (i.e. Randy Rhoads, Jason Becker, et al) than to
watch a one die a lingering, boring, embarassing death. =P
I guess whether we like it or not, guitarists do what they wanna do. We
just have to hope that they do what we like for a while, until the next guy
comes along. [shrug]
Oh well. Just remember when you say your prayers before going to bed at
night to thank God for good prog! :)
P.S. - Jonathan, I thought Angelo's solo album (No Boundaries) was way
better than anything he ever did for Nitro... Now you wanna wonder
whatever happened to good guitarists, let's talk about Jake E. Lee! :P
That's what I think. Now let's get back to jamming.
Matt Gonzales
AKA "Mr. Matt"
AKA "Genghis"
MattG@apqc.org
"Any philosophical differences can be settled in a Deathmatch at your
convenience."
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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 15:08:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NO DT CONTENT!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.971201150302.7729A-100000@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
This is an open letter to all on this mailing list. I need help with two
major things. The first is I am looking for a tape for my boss by
Whitney Houston and Jermaine Jackson called "Precious Moments". The song
I am looking for is entitled "If you say my eyes are beautiful" If
anyone has this cd or knows someone who does, my boss is willing to pay
top dollar for it. Also if anyone out there knows, is there a mailing
list for Jermaine Jackson?? I can't find it. If anyone can help me I
would greatly appricate it!! Sorry about the non-DT content. Email me
in private for thjis matter. Thanks!!!
Later,
Dan
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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 19:46:00 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: DTIFC
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971201194331.1747A-100000@blum.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Neil Elliott wrote:
> Yes you can! DTIFC
> Midtown Station, Box 1188
> New York
> NY 10018
>
> And just to put everyone in the picture. The Fall issue of the Fan Club
> magazine (#15) will be combined with the Winter edition, to become one.
> It will be in the mail later this month.
Hi, Neil.
I think that I have a problem. Since I'm in Brazil, I think that I
should send my subscription to the U.K., right? Ok, but last Friday I went
to our post office and they told me that for some reason, they don't send
sterling pounds to the foreign countries.
So, I'd like to know if I could send the money to the US
headquarter of the DTIFC instead...
> Neil Elliott - DTIFC
Hope to hear from you soon, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:35:19 -0200 From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: TSO Stuff, Metal on TV, MTV Message-ID: <3478D9D7.F81C2511@geocities.com>
Hey there ye jammanoids!
> ------------------------------ > From: "Brian Anderson" <lrng2lve@frontiernet.net> > Subject: New MTV hard rock/metal channel > Hope all the U.S. Jammers had a happy Thanksgiving. Anyway, I read > in our local paper the other day that our favorite MTV will be > offering a few new channels soon. I read that they will be offering > a hard rock/metal channel, along with a spanish/latino channel and > maybe a rap channel . . . I can't remember. It would cost an added > $10 on your local cable bill. But it all depends if your cable > ------------------------------
Funny you mentioned that... I read the same thing in a local newspaper here in Sao Paulo (that's Brazil, not USA. :) ), talking about these new channels... It's an interesting idea, but they mentioned a thing: the quality of the broadcast would not be as good as in a normal channel, as (from what I understood) they would be broadcasting about 6 digital channels from one analog one (don't ask me how that works. I really don't have a clue.) Anyway, only time will tell what will be out of this.
> ------------------------------ > From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> > Subject: Re: Maiden on MTV > Also, the other day, when I was watching some boxing ads, I almost > felt from my chair when I realised the song that was being played: Master > of Puppets. When I told my father that the amount of heavy metal he heard > when he was watching TV was incommensurable, he thought I were on crack... > ------------------------------
There's one thing that makes me mad sometimes. Generally, on TV programs (at least here), people who like rock/metal are treated like stupid, full of problems, not to say any other things, animals (in lack of a better description, ya know, my English is not that good. :) ). In spite of that, just about ANY song you hear in TV programs is rock/metal. I can't turn the TV around here without hearing a song from Joe Satriani. They seem to love this guy (I really have no complaints on that, as I like him a lot :) ). Other things I oftenly hear includes Malmsteen, Vai, Metallica, sometimes Maiden... Man, does that pisses me off.
> ------------------------------ > From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> > Subject: Re: TSO > Man, I have no words to describe this fantastic CD. I think that > it is one of the best things that I have ever heard. It's up there with > I&W, FII, AJFA (yes, "that" band) and Opeth's albums. Definitely on my top > 6. Thanks, Matt, sending for such a great CD (it's also the only CD that I > have that both my mom and dad like :-) )!
I TOLD YA!!! :)
> BTW2, how many classical music excerpts can you identify in this > CD? I can identify 3 movements of Tchaikovsky's "The Nutcracker" suite, > but I think that there are other passages that I'm not able to recognize. > Hummm... Just wondering.
What do you say about "A Mad Russian's Christmas"??? :)
> Also, I've noticed that some of these songs aren't common here in > Brazil (maybe they are folk/popular songs from the US), but what is the > name of the 8th song? I have heard it before I heard this CD and don't > believe the name of this song is "Sarajevo 12/24" as it is listed in the > tracklist.
Hehehe... about this, "The Silent Nutcracker" is know around here as "Noite Feliz", what stands for "Happy Night". :) About "Sarajevo 12/24", you heard it when I went to your house bringing Savatage's "Dead Winter Dead". Duh. :) Besides that, many of the songs on TSO I first heard on that movie "Home Alone". :) The most recognizable being "A Mad Russian's Christmas" and "Sarajevo 12/24".
> Just waiting for my Cynic CD to arrive :-), Roger...
Hehehe, birthday is a good thing... I'm going downtown today to spend some of the earnings of last Thursday. :) (More CD's to account! :) )
That'd be all for now.
-- []'s /**********************************************\ |* Marcelo Vanzin *| |* vanzin@geocities.com *| |* http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ *| \**********************************************/
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Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 15:53:03 -0500 (EST) From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: tour shirts Message-ID: <01IQNY6CCQC2000K6Q@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
I have seen two of the tour shirts: the blue mid-sleeve one with the penis on the back, and the white one with the front and back cover photo on it. I had a choice between these two and I chose the blue one because it looks like at least *some* actual design work was done on it, however little. I wonder if Storm designed these shirts or not, and if they're the only ones. I have to say that my disappointment with the album cover is magnified on these shirts. My queensryche HitNF shirt is about 50 times cooler than either of these two shirts.
For 25 dollars, I really think they should at least make an attempt at putting something new on the shirt, not just the same graphics loosely strewn about.
On a related note, I saw a BIGASS book of all of storm thorgesen's Floyd work, compiled and explained by himself. It looked pretty cool, if anybody likes floyd they would love this book.
later josh rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
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Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 15:54:14 -0500 From: MacAusland.Robert@ic.gc.ca (MacAusland, Robert: HFX) To: ytsejam@ax.com ('YTSEJAM') Subject: B Sides Message-ID: <1997Dec01.151438.1255.1449151@msmail.ic.gc.ca>
I've been off the list for a fair bit since the release of FII and I was wondering if any singles with unreleased B-Sides have been distributed?
NDTC:
Can someone out there in Net Land point me in the direction of a copy of Death of a Dictionary (+Live+'s first release). Any info would be very much appreciated.
R.
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 07:16:44 +1000 From: Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: TSO Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971202071644.006d9c18@powerup.com.au>
Hi
Just read on the Savatage mailing list that TSO will be performing on the Rosie O'Donnell show on either the 11th or 12th of December.
Word is that they'll be showing the video for "Christmas Eve" and performing "Prince of Peace".
Pity we don't get the show here in Australia :(
Still, pretty damn cool news.
Spiff
--- Nigel Bridgeman (nigelb@powerup.com.au) The Movie Pages - a movie page: http://www.powerup.com.au/~nigelb/movies
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Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 13:19:09 -0800 From: Lisa Marie <peterson@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Fw: SPOCK'S BEARD LIVE IN "THE NIGHTCLUB"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <2.2.32.19971201211909.006d6944@mailbox.sj.fore.com>
At 03:50 PM 11/29/97 -0800, you wrote: > >>Hi Everyone, >> >>I just wanted to let you all know - or remind those of you who already >know - >>That there will be a live chat with the members of SPOCK'S BEARD in the >>NIGHTCLUB >>on Sunday night at 8:00pm EST.
If anyone was able to log the chat, could you please forward it to me??
Thanks in advance :o) Lisa Marie ------------------------------------------------------------ ".`^~,^. __ _ '._',_.; Lisa Marie Peterson \ \ ___ ___ ___(_) ___ ( \/ ) Jessie@a-vip.com \ \/ _ \/ __/ __| |/ _ \ \ / ICQ UIN# 1518578 /\_/ / __/\__ \__ \ | __/ \/ \___/ \___||___/___/_|\___| http://www.a-vip.com/jessie ------------------------------------------------------------ THOUGHTS - the official Spock's Beard mailing list http://home.pacbell.net/proghead/thoughts.html ------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 14:35:02 -0700 From: Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mike Bahr survives brush with death... kinda Message-ID: <34832D86.3BF8@goodnet.com>
Hi everyone.
An interesting thing happened to me today... I was at Rockaway Records in Mesa scanning the used CDs as usual, and when I got in line to buy stuff, ahead of me a guy was robbing the clerk at knifepoint! I didn't really have any idea what to do and I can't fight my way out of a wet paper bag, so instincts and memories of High School wrestling kicked in, and I took the guy down from behind and put him in a sleeper hold. As this happened he managed to stab me in the thigh/side (more of a "big poke", not a slash or tear stab) and then the store personnel beat the shit out of him and called the cops.
Anyway I just got back from getting 20-odd stitches and I'm a bit lightheaded from the anasthesia wearing off. This won't affect my work much, if at all, because although being stabbed in the thigh makes sitting difficult, I can still take care of business. I just thought I'd share it with everyone since naturally I'm totally freaked out right now. In a way it's kinda cool.. when all the drugs wear off and the scar remains, I'll look back and know I may well have saved a kid's life by taking down the robber, and that's pretty darned cool! :) Take care all, and may this never ever happen to you!!
-- - Mike Bahr / Prism Records - durnik @ goodnet . com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 16:53:11 -0500 From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ICE AGE (Monolith)...Powermad '97 Message-ID: <348331C7.4AB3@earthlink.net>
> Best band that canceled: Ice Age. These guys are the only one off the free > CD that I would have bought just from hearing their one song. It was > awsome! I later asked the dealers about them. They told me that their > guitarist car broke down and he couldn't make it. They passed out a demo > tape to one of the dealers. They don't have a CD as far as they know. If > anyone knows anything about this band, let me know.
ICE AGE are a 4-piece prog rock/metal band from Long Island. They used to go by the name of MONOLITH (just check the liner notes of DT's "Images and Words"). I've seen them a bunch of times on Long Island and in NYC (anyone remember Prog-Nite at the Rock-n-Roll Cafe on the first Wed. of every month??) and each time was impressed at Josh Pincus (keys and vocals) and Jimmy Pappas (guitars) control over their instruments....great players!! I only wish the drums and bass were more prominent.
I havent heard their latest demo as ICE AGE but I have their '95 demo "Initiation" as MONOLITH and think its great. Three instrumentals and one w/ vocals ("Overload", "Initiation" (vocals), "Spare Chicken Parts", and "The Guardian of Forever" <--beautiful track!!)
Its too bad they had to cancel their appearence at Powermad 'cuz that would have been a great opportunity for them. Hopefully they won't share the same fate as INNER STRENGTH (another great Long Island prog-metal band that disappeared into obscurity........
Check out their web site for plenty of info and sound samples.
Carlo
NP: ARCTURUS "Aspera Hiems Symfonia"
-- _ __| |__ "When you know that your time is close at hand |__ __| maybe then you'll begin to understand | | Life down here is just a strange illusion." | | |_|
--IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)
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