YTSEJAM Digest 3345
Today's Topics:
1) Re: What?
by Cloud Strife <calfaro@caribe.net>
2) Re: RESPONSES TO THREADS
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
3) Cliff Burton & Dave Mustaine
by Jason Keis - DRulz <jkeis@dorsai.org>
4) Need "Scarred / Spinning Years" URL
by <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng"
5) Philly Pre-DT Get_Together.
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
6) Purpose of this list...
by Chad Donovan Mitchell <kerensky@telepath.com>
7) Dutch Jammers....
by Ioannis Mavroukakis <ipm@soc.unl.ac.uk>
8) Re: mustaine and metallica
by Chris Livingstone <chris.livingstone@wolfson.co.uk>
9) Derek Sherinian, Xmas CD
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3344
by Nicholas Giannotti <nickg@gis.net>
11) re: london gig
by "Andrew Moore" <a.s.moore@anglia.ac.uk>
12) Re: Mustaine and Metallica
by Lauren Glenn <LGlenn73@erols.com>
13) Too Seriously
by "KillMary, Killer of Mary and the Holy Shit" <caschulze@mindspring.com>
14) Re: What?
by eckie@asu.edu
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3337
by eckie@asu.edu
16) Calling all Tampa Bay Jammers...
by "Doug Merrell" <doug.merrell@telops.gte.com>
17) Re: Believer
by "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@Walden.MO.NET>
18) >:)
by eckie@asu.edu
19) re: london gig
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:16:22 -0500
From: Cloud Strife <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: What?
Message-ID: <348EC056.BFF7005E@caribe.net>
Anna & Heike Boedeker wrote:
> .. D-Man ...
> >The whole cancer thing is just a big joke that started when Neil Peart came
> >out of the closet and announced that he had caught cancer from one of his
> many
> >gay lovers.
>
> uh... since when is cancer a STD?
>
> -h
i think thats part of the joke :)
--In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:progboy@mindless.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:33:55 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: RESPONSES TO THREADS Message-ID: <199712101533.KAA17182@ia.cs.wm.edu>
> Please just listen to what a caring, sensitive and deeply religous fan of > DT is trying to say, without responding with hints at crack-smoking. It's > offensive and immature.
Offensive and immature?!?!? Are you smoking cr -- oh, never mind.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough cmerlo@cs.wm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:41:39 -0500 (est) From: Jason Keis - DRulz <jkeis@dorsai.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Cliff Burton & Dave Mustaine Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.971210103719.16471B-100000@amanda>
Hey guys.. it's me, DRulz.. just to let all those who are bit confused, you Cliff Burton and Dave Mustane were both in Metallica at the same time. Lloyd Grant wasn't even considered as a member since all he did was overdub one guitar solo on the first version of Hit The Lights, and that's it.
If you watch Cliff Em All, you will see some really early footage of Cliff's second gig with Metallica, and off the right, you will definitely see Dave Mustaine up there jamming away.
Furthermore, Dave Mustaine did not put any hexes on anyone. He admired Cliff Burton, so I found that entirely humorous when someone said that on this list. He just reflected his emotions to what happened in his song "In My Darkest Hour."
Jason Keis aka DRulz
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 97 10:24:41 EST From: <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng" To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Need "Scarred / Spinning Years" URL Message-ID: <vines.3hH8++IfXoA@tcx.tcco.com>
Hi. Does anyone have the URL for Ryan's SCARRED / Spinning Years webpage? I lost all my bookmarks and the Search tool doesn't pick up anything.
Thanks.
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:27:50 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: A Ytse Besides Itself <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Philly Pre-DT Get_Together. Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.971210112547.2375A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Sorry to waste the (in)vaulable band width, but...
Before the Philly Dream Theater show (this sunday), we're gonna have a little get together. Here's the plan.
We're gonna meet up at the TGIFriday's on 2nd street (about a block below South Street) at 5:30pm. I'm doing this that early so that we can eat, and then get in line for a killer spot to see the Theater.
If you have any questions/concearns, or whatever, please email me!
- mike.
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(c) 1997 Erotomania, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:37:27 -0600 (CST) From: Chad Donovan Mitchell <kerensky@telepath.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Purpose of this list... Message-ID: <199712101637.KAA04724@telepath.com>
(lurker mode off...)
Um, is it just me, or has this list suddenly become the official Fates Warning (oh, and BTW, Dream Theater too) list?
(lurker mode on - asbestos undies in place)
Chad Mitchell "Doctors get to bury their mistakes...Architects can only advise their clients to plant vines." -- Frank Lloyd Wright
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:58:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Ioannis Mavroukakis <ipm@soc.unl.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dutch Jammers.... Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.971210165720.4734A-100000@p138-42.unl.ac.uk>
Oh i almost forgot...I met 2 Jammers ath the Forum gig from the DT fan club....get in touch with me guys,i'm the Greek guy you were talking with when you arrived at the grounds :) Yiannis.
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:00:06 +0000 From: Chris Livingstone <chris.livingstone@wolfson.co.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: mustaine and metallica Message-ID: <348ECA96.4A796FC2@wolfson.co.uk>
> Burton wasn't even in the band when Dave was kicked out, it was still > Ron McGovney, original bassist and founding member.
Missed the start of this discussion, but this information is totally wrong (forgive
me if I have mis-read this quotation). I have a very early live video of metallica
playing a small club in the bay area which features both burton and mustaine in the line up (part of this video is featured in cliff em all). I also have an Interview with Dave Mustaine which was recorded not long after burton's death, where he stated that himself and Cliff were very close freinds and used to travel to metallica rehearsals together on the bus. Cheers Chris
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:22:36 +0100 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Derek Sherinian, Xmas CD Message-ID: <01BD0595.CF233920@Quark.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Matthew G. Nedell wrote :
> From: Derek Sherinian <0_mnedell@FAIR1.FAIRFIELD.EDU>
Can you please change that to "Matthew G. Nedell" ? Maybe you think it is cute to pretend you are Derek... but I think it's annoying as fuck.
> To: ytsejam@ax.com > Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Why the hell do you always CC your posts to the Ytsejam in addition to just posting it there ? It doesn't even appear twice in the digest, so why bother ? Do people in bounce mode get it twice ? And if so, do you think they appreciate it ? _____
Steffen Barabasch wrote :
> Third, the CD will indeed be about 75 minutes long, but it will NOT > contain soundchecks, any of the unreleased demos, covers, the lounge- > UAGM, or any messages. Maybe you have to get used to it first, but it > is very rare and interesting material, that's for sure!
I think I know what's going to be on the Xmas CD !!!
It's going to have FII, played backwards !!!
Just think about it... FII is about 75 minutes long, and Dream Theater sounds great, no matter how you listen to them... That includes listening to them backwards. :-) Maybe that'll even make You Not Me sound like a sneak preview of Metropolis II...
:>
Ps. Sorry, no Fates Warning content
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:10:31 -0500 From: Nicholas Giannotti <nickg@gis.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3344 Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.19971210121031.5f1f6582@pop.gis.net>
Neil G. wrote,
>Some people on this list never fail to amaze me with their lack of respect >for other people - some people like Bjork (me, for example), some people >don't, but suggesting that her career should be ended by using a 40 lb >hammer is nothing short of incitement to murder, which just happens to >be a criminal offence in many countries. Probably the same people who >rejoiced when Kurt Cobain and Shannon Hoon died...wankers.
Oh, my, please forgive me. I wasn't aware that sarcasm in ANY form wasn't allowed on this list. If you're going to be so literal as to take me seriously, then you might as well lump yourself in with the people you call 'wankers'.
-Nicholas
"Everyone who believes in psychokinesis please raise my right hand."
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:14:01 -0000 From: "Andrew Moore" <a.s.moore@anglia.ac.uk> To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: re: london gig Message-ID: <01bd058f$027312c0$4e2d53c2@btc-pc1.abs.anglia.ac.uk>
Tim wrote:
> lowlights: > missing the end off "scarred" - thats my fave bit of awake - i feel slightly cheated ;-)
I was a bit disappointed a this too. I was ecstatic when Scarred started as it is SUCH a good song (it's playing now!), and I wern't sure if we would here it, but when they didn't play the ending I was a tad narked. I wish the ending would go on and on and on...
> all in all a welcome return to a criminally undertoured country, although JLB said they were going to do > a proper tour next year, which is nice....
It'll be interesting to see where they play...
> some NDTC: > England are going to win the world cup...
Too right!!! :)
Andy.
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:33:19 -0500 From: Lauren Glenn <LGlenn73@erols.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Mustaine and Metallica Message-ID: <348ED25F.D0A8BFAF@erols.com>
Jeremy Kube wrote: > > > Burton wasn't even in the band when Dave was kicked out, it was still > > Ron McGovney, original bassist and founding member. > > Again, I think you are wrong. I there were some demos of their > early songs with both Dave and Cliff. And, if I'm not mistaken, when Dave > was playing with James on "Cliff'em All", the band had already Cliff on > their line-up. I won't check this now because I still have some projects On the video of Cliff'em All, they interview the band and Dave and Cliff are both there.
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:38:05 -0500 (EST) From: "KillMary, Killer of Mary and the Holy Shit" <caschulze@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Too Seriously Message-ID: <199712101738.MAA31667@camel8.mindspring.com>
Neil Gallop sez: >Some people on this list never fail to amaze me with their lack of respect >for other people - some people like Bjork (me, for example), some people >don't, but suggesting that her career should be ended by using a 40 lb >hammer is nothing short of incitement to murder, which just happens to >be a criminal offence in many countries. Probably the same people who >rejoiced when Kurt Cobain and Shannon Hoon died...wankers.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing the other day and I came to the conclusion that there are people that take their music WAY too seriously, to the point of making it the most important thing in their lives. Nothing wrong with that, would you say, but I start getting worried when I see people saying things like:
. dropping a 40lb hammer on the head of someone that makes music that they don't like . saying that DT's music is reason enough not to commit suicide (yeah, that's been posted) . people going ballistic when other people think the bands they like suck, or when they see someone defending a band that they think sucks. . people who live by DT's lyrics as if they were the bible or something... and people that seem to agree with certain things and like certain bands simply because "Mike Portnoy says so"...
and so on.
In the end, when people start taking this music business too seriously, things like the death of John Lennon end up happening. I'm not saying that this is gonna happen here, it takes a real lunatic to do something like that, but I think we should try to chill down a bit and appreciate music for what it is - just a form of art destined for entertainment. Not some reason to create wars and hatred between people.
Any responses, especially flames, please send privately... I don't think "music philosophy" is allowed in this list, and if someone's to be kicked out for raising this kind of questions, let it be just me...
Christian.
"Four billion years within our ears, still hatred brings as many tears" - Queensr=FFche, sp00L
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:44:07 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: What? Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971210104223.18076A-100000@email1.asu.edu>
On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Christopher R. Merlo spewed forth: > "Yeah, his balls fell off!"
LOL!
> OK, OK, I'd probably start to actually feel bad if I let this go any more. > The whole cancer thing is just a big joke that started when Neil Peart came > out of the closet and announced that he had caught cancer from one of his many > gay lovers.
Listen to D-Man. He knows. He's gayer than a hootenanny :).
~Eckie climbs up a bell tower after his Art History final
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:48:05 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3337 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971210104605.18076C-100000@email1.asu.edu>
> Seriously though, I've fallen asleep to "Kill'em All" and "...And > Justice for All". But I suddenly woke up when it was playing the last > track of AJFA. I don't know why... :-)
To this very day, that transition from To Live is To Die to Dyer's Eve startles the shit outta me! :D
That's the only song coupling I like better than Silent Man/Mirror...heh heh.
Dunt dunt dunt, dunt dunt dunt, dunt dunt dunt...
~Eckie wishes Beavis would've "sung" out the riff to Mirror/Lie
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 97 12:36:47 EST From: "Doug Merrell" <doug.merrell@telops.gte.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Cc: <merrelld@gte.net> Subject: Calling all Tampa Bay Jammers... Message-ID: <vines.Vuk8+lAhXoA@barracuda.tmtrfl.tel.gte.com>
Hi everybody,
Just thought I'd send this notice out to see how many people were going to make it to the Dec. 17th show at the Masquerade in Y-bor City. I've got my tik... just looking for some other Jammers to hang out with.
Unfortunately, all my friends are too close-minded for this type of music. I have one friend from work who's going to try to make it. I'm looking for anybody and everybody who is in the Tampa-St. Pete area to get together for a mini YtseCon : )
Direct all inquiries, questions, comments, etc. to: merrelld@gte.net.
Lute, let me know if you've got your tik yet.
Sincerely, Doug Merrell
"Every day things change, basically they stay the same." -- Dave Matthews, Live at Red Rocks
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:57:54 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@Walden.MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Believer Message-ID: <199712101806.MAA04594@Walden.MO.NET>
> >"Triology of Knowledge" by Believer. > > Awesome. I never knew Christians could actually escape from the church > music mentality and expand into a prog. feel like this. When the album was > released there weere rumours going round that the next album would be in a > very similar type vein (the whole " Symphonic Prog Thrash Metal" vibe) Can > anyone give me info about what happened to the band since then? Anyone want > to send some mp3's of the new Tourniquet? I must concur with this. I like all Believer's albums, but Dimensions (Trilogy of Knowledge in particular, of course :) just blew me away when I heard it the first time. As far as what the band's doing now, I believe the last I heard is that they're sort of on indefinite hiatus or something like that. I don't think they ever officially broke up, but they haven't done anything in a long time. Try mailing hmmag@aol.com. You may be able to find some info out there. The new Tourniquet rocks in the same vein as Vanishing Lessons did, but I'm not presently able to record mp3's.
Dale R> Newberry "Evil Villains, stand down from the funk." - Space Ghost
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:18:38 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: >:) Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971210110142.18076E-100000@email1.asu.edu>
On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, NiGgA wrote:
> a bit late possibly, but none the less valid: people intensely wanting to > get into some music that they clearly don't like ("Oh shit, what's wrong > with me, I don't like A Pleasant Shade Of Grey, somebody please help me > to understand this album"). Also include liking band X because a member
[Enter nipple disclaimer here] I think it's just a matter of curiosity. Most of us on this list, while listening to a HUGE variety of musical genres ranging from rap to death metal to the Spice Girls at least share a common appreciation for progressive metal, and might find OTHER styles or bands through the ppl on this list and adopt them as their favorite bands; i.e., there is an amount of respect and consideration given when a ytsejammer posts a good/great/bad review of a work, as opposed to some 14 year old kid on the street who has all his body parts pierced and wears corderoy and Adidas. When somebody who's as heavily involved with the genre as we are starts raving about something, it's only natural that our curiosity is piqued and we want to find out why so and so said what about band x.
Case in point for me anyways, Savatage: I hadn't so much as even heard a speck,thought, gust of a remaining year old fart of these guys until somebody brought them up on this list. I bought Edge of Thorns and was blown away! Same thing happened with Symphony-X and Angra, and Iron Savior (check out iParty sometime, it's a great tool for spreading "your music" to other interested Ytsejammers).
If you call that some kind of sheep syndrome, that's your perogative. Ern posted a while ago that his persuit to find understanding in the "goodness/excellence" of music he doesn't quite "get" might help him as a musician, later on down the road. My nipple agrees.
I'm still trying to understand what all the hype over Radiohead is. It's one of those bands I just don't think I'll "get" for a loong time, if ever.
> Some people on this list never fail to amaze me with their lack of respect > for other people - some people like Bjork (me, for example), some people > don't, but suggesting that her career should be ended by using a 40 lb > hammer is nothing short of incitement to murder, which just happens to > be a criminal offence in many countries. Probably the same people who > rejoiced when Kurt Cobain and Shannon Hoon died...wankers. > Get your head outta your ass, you'll realize the humor that's always been on this list isn't limited to lightbulb jokes. Sure, I've heard Mexican chefs skin cats and make them sound more musical than Bjork, but I would never want another human to literally drop dead from a large 40lb hammer being thrown through their skull.
I'd use a gun, it's easier. :)
~Christopher William Eckie, Ptacek's psycho twin brother
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:21:09 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: re: london gig Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971210161740.23736D-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Andrew Moore wrote:
> Tim wrote: > > > lowlights: > > missing the end off "scarred" - thats my fave bit of awake - i feel > slightly cheated ;-) > > I was a bit disappointed a this too. I was ecstatic when Scarred started as > it is SUCH a good song (it's playing now!), and I wern't sure if we would > here it, but when they didn't play the ending I was a tad narked. I wish > the ending would go on and on and on...
What do you people mean the end of "Scarred" wasn't played? Did they have sound problems? Did they do some kind of jam/joined song at the end of "Scarred"? > > some NDTC: > > England are going to win the world cup... > > Too right!!! :)
You mean the soccer world cup? Don't worry. :-) Brazil will have the first place again. :-)
> Andy.
[]s, Roger...
P.S.: Thanks Mike Bahr for supporting my messages. :-) I'm sure Mike Bahr would have agreed with what I said (or, at least, laughed :-) ). -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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