YTSEJAM Digest 3354
Today's Topics:
1) TSO
by Bruce Dickinson <0_mnedell@FAIR1.FAIRFIELD.EDU>
2) Re: DT and the Future
by Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3352
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3353
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3353
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
6) The return of WDaDU?
by Bruce Dickinson <0_mnedell@FAIR1.FAIRFIELD.EDU>
7) Re: The Dream Police
by Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com>
8) Chris Merlo, please mail me
by Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
9) Re: The return of WDaDU?
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
10) Confirmation on Dt FL. dates??
by Daus Studenberg <daus@ufl.edu>
11) Space dream
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
12) Re: Christian metal
by "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@Walden.MO.NET>
13) "My" radio show
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
14) Rush-llica?
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3353
by The Gay Homophobe <skooc@earthlink.net>
16) If...
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
17) Re: DT at the forum
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:39:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bruce Dickinson <0_mnedell@FAIR1.FAIRFIELD.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: TSO
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.971211233419.96758B-100000@FAIR1.FAIRFIELD.EDU>
Hey, I just picked up TSO today. I think it is incredible. I am glad I
got some xmas music for the season. I encourage all of the other jammers
to purchase this item. Very good work. See ya.
My friend has the Mechanix release of WDaDU. I am pissed. Why can I not
find this album. I don't want it on One Way. Any ideas where to get it?
Thanks guys!
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Matthew G. Nedell
0_mnedell@fair1.fairfield.edu
1-203-256-6222
"If it's not in 2.35, I'm not watching it."
Words to live by as proclaimed by James LaBrie-
"I won't give up till I've no more to give, NO MORE TO GIVE!"
"I said, 'I love you........................good-bye'"
"So speak................I'm right here!"
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 97 21:09:42 -0800
From: Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: "A daily dose of Ytsejam..." <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: DT and the Future
Message-ID: <199712120508.VAA24320@network-services.uoregon.edu>
Bruce D. Duesterhoeft wrote:
> Now I look at other 'good' bands and what they've done. They've not
> really progressed, but cycled towards comercialism. From Rush to
> Metallica to Queensryche and so on.
Now, I agree with a lot that was said in this post...but I have to
question this statement, at least, in regards to Rush.
If Rush has "cycled toward commercialism", then why is it that the much
of the Rush I hear is from 1982 (ie: Signals) and earlier? Wouldn't their
newer material get more airplay if it was more commercial? Aside from the
occasional "Test For Echo" (when the album was first released) and the
_one_ time I heard "Ghost of a Chance," where is this fabled
commercialism? Progressive rock doesn't (just) mean 20 minute songs about
otherwordly forces (2112) and allegorical quests for meaning (The
Fountain of Lamneth). I firmly believe that Rush is writing and playing
the kind of music that they want to write.
I've got a pantheon of animals in a pagan soul
Vishnu and Gaia - Aztec and Maya
Dance around my totem pole
That's commercial? I think that's quite far removed from "So....tell me
what you want what you really really want."
Sorry, for the outburst. Later
Andrew
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Andrew Embler - aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu
*** http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~aembler ***
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Random Thought:
"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you
do criticize him, you'll be a mile away and have his shoes." -- Unknown
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:34:37 -0500 (EST)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3352
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.971212003034.156808D-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Thu, 11 Dec 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> >
> > faith- Surrounded
> > hope- Another Day
> > love- LSOAD
>
> Only one of those is a ballad though.
>
I knew someone would call me on that :). I think The Acoustic Dreams
version of LSOAD qualifies as a ballad (sort of like the electric TSM
qualifies as a mid-tempo song). As for Surrounded, you're right. But it
starts and ends as a ballad and it was the only one that I could think of
that had to do with faith.
Richie
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:51:44 -0500 (EST)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3353
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.971212003831.156808E-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Thu, 11 Dec 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
>
> What I think bands like Dream Theater and the like should do is, forget
> what is going on in the 'commercial world', but do what you want and TRY
> to change what's being played on the radio/MTV and the like. Just think
> about it, Rap/Dance music did it, and all that stuff is mostly rip off/
> machines and boring pencil thumping noise.
To quote the band Alias, "In a perfect world...." Unfortunately, this
world is far from perfect and the music business is even less so. To
ignore the "commerical world" is an idealistic concept and one which NO
band on ANY major label can do. Hell, even Aerosmith was sent back to the
drawing board when they turned in the masters for Nine Lives (after which
they brought in, coincidentally, Kevin Shirley). The music business is
very much one of natural selection: those that can't adapt will die. I
know that isn't really the heart of natural selection, but it's pretty
good analogy for my purposes here. Besides, DT has admitted in interviews
that they have a love for commerical music (U2, Elton John, Journey)
as well as for progressive music and I personally think they are at their
best when they combine the two (Surrounded, LSOAD, etc). Some say that FII
crossed the commercial line. Fine. I say WDADU crossed the prog line. It's
a matter of taste.
Richie
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:29:33 -0500 (EST)
From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3353
Message-ID: <01IR2HBZT0OI0024ES@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
>Hmmm. Was that the Lion Voltron or the Vehicles Voltron??
Of course it was the Lion Voltron, which kicks ass, and not that lame Vehicle
wanna-be voltron that nobody every wanted. Nothing pissed me off more than
coming home from school to watch voltron and seeing all these little cars
forming up.
I'm thinking about making some DT action figures, btw. James gets a megaphone
and a tamborine, etc. I could do it, too, if I had the time.
josh
rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.ed
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 02:12:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bruce Dickinson <0_mnedell@FAIR1.FAIRFIELD.EDU>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The return of WDaDU?
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.971212020850.120960B-100000@FAIR1.FAIRFIELD.EDU>
I have this idea.....I know it has probably been thought of before but it
would be cool. DT should remix WDaDU and have the vibrant James LaBrie
perform the vocals. I am almost positive the members of DT would not be
up for it but it sure would be cool. I guess a live bootleg could be made
up of the songs in the order of WDaDU. Hey, if anyone else is with me
please let me know.
Thanks guys, see ya!!!!!!
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Matthew G. Nedell
0_mnedell@fair1.fairfield.edu
1-203-256-6222
"If it's not in 2.35, I'm not watching it."
Words to live by as proclaimed by James LaBrie-
"I won't give up till I've no more to give, NO MORE TO GIVE!"
"I said, 'I love you........................good-bye'"
"So speak................I'm right here!"
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 02:23:07 -0500
From: Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: The Dream Police
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971211235051.00689194@pop.mindspring.com>
>Several of our angry letters -- although not mine -- were published in
>last week's issue of POETS, ARTISTS AND MADMEN here. al@isd.net,
>Vince LuPone, and Adam Pye -- take a bow! :) You're famous, in
>Atlanta anyway.....
Neat-o. Now I've gotta try to remember what I wrote... :) Where can I
pick one of those up, Paul? I never actually saw the magazine, just the
article copied for the 'Jam. Or, just save one for me for DT IN ATLANTA!!!
:) I'll see y'all there...
Adam
DT in Atlanta = 4 days (!!!)
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:24:36 -0700
From: Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Chris Merlo, please mail me
Message-ID: <3490E6B4.2F33@goodnet.com>
I got your last e-mail and lost the printout I made with your change of
address on it. Can you echo that to me again? Thanks.
-- - Mike Bahr / Prism Records - durnik @ goodnet . com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/------------------------------
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:49:58 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: The return of WDaDU? Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.971211234713.11003A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Bruce Dickinson wrote:
> >I have this idea.....I know it has probably been thought of before but it >would be cool. DT should remix WDaDU and have the vibrant James LaBrie >perform the vocals. I am almost positive the members of DT would not be >up for it but it sure would be cool. I guess a live bootleg could be made >up of the songs in the order of WDaDU. Hey, if anyone else is with me >please let me know. >
Been there, done that -- have the t-shirt. DT said they won't rerecord WDaDU, but Mike Bahr has a boot CD with live recordings of WDaDU songs -- When Dream and Today Unite -- visit his page (http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik) and check it out -- good quality overall -- two audience and the rest soundboard sources.
--Matt
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:14:11 -0500 From: Daus Studenberg <daus@ufl.edu> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Confirmation on Dt FL. dates?? Message-ID: <01BD06AC.08048F20@ppp-15-ts10.nerdc.ufl.edu>
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Hello jammers, I was just writing to see if DT actually confirmed the = Orlando and Ft. Lauderdale dates. What I think they do not relaize is = that a lot of the college fans are under exam week which coincides with = the Tampa gig on the 17th. DT needs to confirm the Orlando and Ft. = Lauderdale gig because they will be missing out on a lot of college fans = if they don't. Besides, I know we packed the Orlando John Petrucci = clinic!! =20
So, Florida fans e-mail me and let me know what you think, perhaps we = can get some support to make them confirm those two dates!! =20
DT in FLORIDA!!
Daus
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:15:34 -0500 From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Space dream Message-ID: <v01530509b0b6961a0eee@[209.50.100.133]>
>>I dreamt that it was the future, and we were engaged in a losing battle with >>Voltron. That's right. Voltron. So finally, all of earth just decides, >>"Hey, why don't we blow up the planet?" and the next thing I know I'm in >>some kind of transporter or something and as I'm beaming away, I see >>everything >>around me evaporate. The whole planet turns into empty space. And we all >>escape to another dimension or something...where...the whole planet is just >>like one big Doom level, except instead of a video game, it's all real.
Have you been hanging out with Kai Hansen again? Here's from the liner notes of the new Gamma Ray:
"So if Martians had been coming to Earth in mighty machines because their planet was wasted, maybe we will be the next martians. One day conquering another planet. It might be a turning circle."
and....
"All hopes for the survival of the race are put into a voyage to a distant planet they called EARTH that was just being born. The voyage will last through many generations. So when finally they will arrive, Earth will provide perfect conditions."
-Jeff Keifling http://45150.com/music
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 02:08:18 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@Walden.MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Christian metal Message-ID: <199712120817.CAA20925@Walden.MO.NET>
> Yeah, or some other Christian speed/thrash/death bands...Tourniquet, > Deliverance, Vengeance Rising, and Believer. Tourniquet sounds like > Slayer, only heavier (and more complex too). Deliverance sounds like old > school Anthrax, only with Mesa amplifiers and the music's a bit faster too. > Vengeance Rising is just pure death metal, and from the one Believer CD I > have (Sanity Obscure), it sounds like they're a death metal band too. Funny thing you should compare Tourniquet and Slayer since I read a while back that Tourniquet's former guitarist Gary Lenaire (who occasionally does some lead vocals) sounds a whole lot like Tom Araya, and from what little Slayer I've heard, I can see that. Vengeance Rising also does a sorta corny but cool cover of Deep Purple's Space Truckin' on their Once Dead album. Out of all these bands,. though, Tourniquet is the only one currently doing any music. Deliverance broke up recently, Believer hasn't done anything for a few years (who knows what's up with them now), and Vengeance has been broken up for some time. As far as Believer goes, Sanity Obscure is a good example of their overall sound, some technical thrash and an orchestral track, but Dimensions is easily my favourite, simply because of Trilogy of Knowledge :). Oh yeah, also, older Deliverance sounds more like old school Anthrax. They dropped some of their speed metal style and opted to go for a heavy groove (but very much keeping a metal sound) with their last couple albums. They also wrote more introspective lyrics on the later albums, too. A couple more worth looking into would be The Crucified (for a more hard core metal/thrash sound), Living Sacrifice, and some others I can't think of off hand (my mind's blanking :).
Dale R. Newberry "Evil Villains, stand down from the funk." - Space Ghost
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:00:59 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: "My" radio show Message-ID: <199712120800.AA02326@crl.crl.com>
> From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com> > Subject: Paul's Radio Show > > Paul, > > >>It's not like we haven't played that Xmas CD > cover EVERY week on WREKage -- by request, even..... :)<< > > When is this show on? I need to start listening to it, as I am sick of all > these half ass wanna be stations in Atlanta. When are we going to get a > real Metal station down here besides your show :o) ?
Well, it's not actually "my" show -- the regular host, Kevin, and the emergency backup host, Jonathan, are both friends o' mine. I just bring down CDs (DT fan club CD, Symphony-X, Superior, FW, etc.) and sometimes they play them.
The show is on WREK-FM, Georgia Tech's radio station, which is at 91.1 FM. HOWEVER, they are also available via RealAudio feed at www.gatech.edu/wrek. The show normally runs from 10pm - 2am Friday nights into Saturday mornings. (Except Fri. the 12th, where the station is running a Grateful Dead marathon. I don't envy them the calls they'll be getting from annoyed metalheads. hehe)
Uh, WARNING: WREKage is normally a thrash/death/black-metal show. You'll hear Obituary, At the Gates, Dissection etc. along with Therion, Pan-Thy-Monium, Cynic or DT's "Damage Inc." I'd like to get my own progressive-metal show, but you have to be a Tech student. If anyone wants to take up a collection so I can take a SCUBA class, I'm all for it. hehe
-- +-- ...once the cloud that's raining ---+- Paul W. Cashman ---+ | over your head / disappears | vanyel@crl.com | | the noise that you hear | www.crl.com/~vanyel | +--is the crashing down of Hollow Years.... --+---- ICQ #4151223 -----+
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:20:50 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rush-llica? Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971212012049.006c8e30@postoffice.syspac.com>
>If Rush has "cycled toward commercialism", then why is it that the much >of the Rush I hear is from 1982 (ie: Signals) and earlier? Wouldn't their >newer material get more airplay if it was more commercial?
Well, we hear old-school Metallica songs like Fade, Seek, and Master from time to time on our local hard rock station. Discuss :)
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:32:17 -0800 (PST) From: The Gay Homophobe <skooc@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3353 Message-ID: <199712120832.AAA14513@iceland.it.earthlink.net>
>Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:39:37 -0400 >From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com> >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: STOP THAT!!!! >Message-ID: <8525656A.0062956A.00@ATLMAIL.IBMUS2.I >>>I think, instead of hearing "Perfect Strangers" here, DT needs to play >a cover of "Damage Inc." << > >I wish DT stopped playing covers, and would treat us to one more great DT >song. Remember, every goofy Nightmare Cinema spoof is one less Scarred we >get to see. C'Mon DT, play Scarred!!!!!
They did NC when I saw them at the HoB and then again the next night in Palo Alto, CA when they didn't do NC. The set was exactly the same except they added on PS for the NC song. It affected the total time the band played, but the setlist was the same # of songs.
> Yeah, or some other Christian speed/thrash/death bands...Tourniquet, >Deliverance, Vengeance Rising, and Believer. Tourniquet sounds like >Slayer, only heavier (and more complex too). Deliverance sounds like old >school Anthrax, only with Mesa amplifiers and the music's a bit faster too. > Vengeance Rising is just pure death metal, and from the one Believer CD I >have (Sanity Obscure), it sounds like they're a death metal band too.
When I'm in a serene religious mood and I'm looking for a CD to put on I feel nothing says "God loves you" better than King Diamond or Mercyful fate.
>Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 19:45:51 -0200 >From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?fl=E1vio_maia?=" <fmaia@alpha200.digiopen.com.br> >To: <ytsejam@ax.com> >Subject: ascf
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
A mime is a terrible thing to waste ;-)
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:51:55 -0500 From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: If... Message-ID: <v0153050cb0b6aa85db1b@[209.50.100.133]>
>>I wondered to myself, "If I didn't have these CD's but I knew them all, >>and I were in a store, would I grab them first?"
Ha! Yea, if they had them. Chances are null that'd ever happen here in the States. I DID pick up Nighttime Birds in a USED CD store last week. This thing was released in August! That was a treat.
-Jeff Keifling http://45150.com/music
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:20:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: DT at the forum Message-ID: <Marcel-1.26-1212102048-72brZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>
> From: "Charlie Farrell" <charlie_farrell@email.msn.com> > Subject: DT gig at the Forum > > Don't know what happened to Graham Borland. I went to buy a T-shirt > at the end of the gig and next minute he'd vanished. Sound's like he > had an eventful trip home :-))
Umm, sorry. :-) I hung around in the middle of the hall for a few minutes when you went off to buy your t-shirt, and then I wandered over to the t-shirt stall to look for you. Couldn't find you. Ta for the drink!
> Portnoy always delivers and his incitement to bombard Kerrapp with letters > was spot on.
Yes. I wonder if he actually read the FII reviews in Kerrang and Metal Hammer? They were surprisingly complimentary. Still, it deserved a lot more coverage than the miniscule obligatory album reviews.
I desperately need a tape of the London gig. If I don't get one, I'll go crazy. Anyone?
Graham
-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889
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