YTSEJAM Digest 3353
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Some quick replies; TSO
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
2) STOP THAT!!!!
by "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
3) lyrical content
by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3349
by Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
5) From the pits
by Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
6) Guitar War
by ProgRckBoy <ProgRckBoy@aol.com>
7) Re: Christian Metal
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
8) ascf
by "=?iso-8859-1?Q?fl=E1vio_maia?=" <fmaia@alpha200.digiopen.com.br>
9) TSO's "Christmas Eve and Other Stories" (again)
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
10) Voltron
by Paul Dyer <dyer@taunet.net.au>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3345
by Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3344
by WOLFESPOT <WOLFESPOT@aol.com>
13) TSO, Awards
by Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
14) Abstinence
by Dan Tarquin <dant@webspan.net>
15) DT gig at the Forum
by "Charlie Farrell" <charlie_farrell@email.msn.com>
16) Bootlegs!
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
17) DT and the Future
by "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 17:27:08 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Some quick replies; TSO
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971211171855.32057A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Thu, 11 Dec 1997 eckie@asu.edu wrote:
> Uh, if it's so lame...why is it selling out so fast?
>
> ~Eckie just thinks some ppl are afraid of distorted guitars
Well, now comes an interesting point: when I first received the
TSO CD, I put it to play and my mom told me: "So, you got a decent CD at
last!" I didn't care, since she likes "Master of Puppets" (it's funny how
she seems to dig "For Whom the Bell Tolls" and other heavy M* shit --- I
guess it's called osmosis :-) ). But the really *strange* thing was when
my father came and told me "Well, you're finally hearing to some music,
huh? I like this CD, who is it?"
The strange thing is that my father *never* cared for *any* type
of music.
Then I asked them why they liked the CD if it was rock'n'roll (of
course, there's a *big* rip off of Tchaikovsky's "The Nutcracker suite",
nevertheless, it is rock'n'roll) and they told me "Well this CD is
different, nothing too noisy".
The same thing seems to happen with my antipatic aunt that is a
piano teacher (as I told here before). Unfortunately, I didn't have the
chance to show her this CD, but I'd like to hear her impressions of it.
That's fear of distorted guitars IMO also.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:39:37 -0400 From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: STOP THAT!!!! Message-ID: <8525656A.0062956A.00@ATLMAIL.IBMUS2.IBM.COM>
>>I think, instead of hearing "Perfect Strangers" here, DT needs to play a cover of "Damage Inc." <<
I wish DT stopped playing covers, and would treat us to one more great DT song. Remember, every goofy Nightmare Cinema spoof is one less Scarred we get to see. C'Mon DT, play Scarred!!!!!
Charlie
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:05:00 -0500 From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: lyrical content Message-ID: <199712111959.OAA15373@bertelsmanncis.com>
from matt g.: >To be honest, I've read a lot of lyrics and written quite a few myself. > And have come to the conclusion that while my favorite musicians may be >brilliant at what they do, it doesn't mean that they are eminent >philosophers of our times. Meaning, that they want to make music. They >have a singer. He wants to sing. He needs lyrics. They want the music to >sound cool. They, therefore, also want the lyrics to sound cool. So, many >people often end up writing lyrics that just sound cool but don't >necessarily make any sense (e.g. "Doo-wah-widdy, diddy-dum, diddy-doo").
sometimes, yes, lyrics are written simply to create an effect, without having much meaning. this was precisely the intention of jon anderson of YES when he penned the lyrics to CLOSE TO THE EDGE:
"a seasoned witch will call you from the depths of your disgrace, and rearrange your liver to the solid mental grace..." etc.
these lyrics preplexed the hell out of me, until i read somewhere that jon intended no specific meaning, only to paint a vivid mental picture. at last they made *some* sense. still, though, by and large, most bands do write lyrics with some substantial content aside from the imagery. in fact, considering specifically Dream Theater's lyrics, the only one who seemed very interested in the visual effect of words was kevin. while the johns, and mike too, i suppose, have all tried their hand at writing lyrics, and the johns have been cryptic in some of their descriptions (the killing hand, lifting shadows, etc.), there is no evidence, i would think, in any of dream theater's songs that would lead to the conclusion that they were just trying to sound cool without having an actual point, or something along those lines.
specifically with lines in the sand, then, we have many lines that do utilize fairly clear images referring to biblical texts. Dream Theater also has certain history of being interested in matters related to religion, such as in afterlife and voices/silent man). on top of that, we have doug pinnick singing, who has very strong christian inclinations (along with the rest of king's x). given that, along with the overall thematic organization of the song and the clear specific line references within the song, i don't really see much reason to assert that maybe they were only matching cool-sounding lyrics to a cool-sounding song. i think, given the context and what we already know about this song, Dream Theater should get a little more credit than that.
--MATt
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 20:16:53 +0000 (UTC) From: Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3349 Message-ID: <Pine.SCO.3.95.971211201555.19765A-100000@vectorbd.vectorbd.com>
If you want a tape of the spring Euro tour, check out Ryan Whitaker's site for Seven Wonders (awesome), Spinning Years, and Caught in Amsterdam '97. He wasd VERY prompt in sending the CD's when I ordered them.
-- Bert Baldwin
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:49:49 +0000 From: Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: From the pits Message-ID: <348FFD8D.16D4@sprynet.com>
It's been a while since i've posted and i'm about 4 weeks behind, but i happened to catch this response to something:
"Uh, if it's so lame...why is it selling out so fast?"
-that is not a very good defense. Look at what else sells.
thank you Phillip Cool CD of the moment: Threshold "Psychedelicatessan"
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:07:54 EST From: ProgRckBoy <ProgRckBoy@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Guitar War Message-ID: <e0ec141a.34905104@aol.com>
to da jamma'z--
I did a little survey among my best guitar playing buddies. All play electric, and all admit to spending most of their provate practice time on acoustic, and doing most of their writing on acoustic. I'm the same. It seems that if you write something that sounds good clean, you can arrange the parts to add a distorted guitar... but if you write things dirty, then you have a lot of cleaning to do. And you don't need an amp for an acoustic.
--ProgRockBoy
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:59:53 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Christian Metal Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971211135952.006a5ef8@postoffice.syspac.com>
>>>Awesome. I never knew Christians could actually escape from the church >>>music mentality and expand into a prog. > >heh heh. Check out Mortification from Australia for a good dose of >Christian Death Metal.
Yeah, or some other Christian speed/thrash/death bands...Tourniquet, Deliverance, Vengeance Rising, and Believer. Tourniquet sounds like Slayer, only heavier (and more complex too). Deliverance sounds like old school Anthrax, only with Mesa amplifiers and the music's a bit faster too. Vengeance Rising is just pure death metal, and from the one Believer CD I have (Sanity Obscure), it sounds like they're a death metal band too.
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 17:30:28 -0500 From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net> To: Keeper of the Seven Ytses <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: TSO's "Christmas Eve and Other Stories" (again) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971211173028.006a4eac@pop.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
After reading my comments about a local inept review of TSO, Eckie inquired:
>Uh, if it's so lame...why is it selling out so fast? >~Eckie just thinks some ppl are afraid of distorted guitars
Good question, m'man; in fact almost exactly what I wanted to know when I wrote them. Here, just for a laugh, is the note I sent them:
=========== Hey INsite folk,
As a Christmas fanatic myself, I read with some interest B. Love's reviews of the various new Christmas CD releases this year. I had to laugh out loud at his inept review of Trans-Siberian Orchestra's "Christmas Eve and Other Stories." While Mr. Love is certainly entitled to his (lopsided) views of this fantastic album, it might interest him to know a few things:
1) TSO's "Christmas Eve and Other Stories" is NOT, in fact, a new release this year -- it has been re-released this year because it sold out of stores everywhere last Christmas season.
2) "Christmas Eve/Sarajevo 12/24," a track from the album, received extensive airplay on radio stations across the nation last Christmas season, and is getting even more airplay this year.
3) Sales of TSO are brisk this year as well; talk to clerks in various record stores and most of them will tell you it's hard to keep on the shelves. The album is being advertised by TV spots for Target, Blockbuster Music, and Goody's. The group recently appeared on the Rosie O'Donnell show, one of the most popular talk show programs in the nation, to play live and show clips from the "Christmas Eve/Sarajevo 12/24" video.
B. Love's comparisons of TSO to Night Ranger and John Tesh are only true insofar as all those artists/groups actually have real talent. Apparently Love is too shortsighted to appreciate it. TSO, however, far from trying to "cash in on Mannheim Steamroller's success," have created their own holiday classic with a blend of power, majesty and a message of peace and goodwill to all on Earth. Calling it "the worst Xmas album ever, hands down" is perhaps the funniest thing I've read in months. So thanks, B. Love, for that holiday giggle -- but to anybody else wanting to hear some _good_, albeit different, Christmas music -- give this disc a spin. =========
Happy holidays, all. Phil
========================================================= Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter "Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired, gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals Currently playing: Jonn Serrie -- "Upon a Midnight Clear"
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:06:32 +0900 From: Paul Dyer <dyer@taunet.net.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Voltron Message-ID: <1330204904-5729301@smtp.taunet.net.au>
Hmmm. Was that the Lion Voltron or the Vehicles Voltron??
Cheers
paul D.
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:30:33 EST From: Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3345 Message-ID: <6fca14fc.3490779b@aol.com>
In a message dated 12/11/97 13:16:00, you wrote:
> >> Please just listen to what a caring, sensitive and deeply religous fan of >> DT is trying to say, without responding with hints at crack-smoking. It's >> offensive and immature. > >Offensive and immature?!?!? Are you smoking cr -- oh, never mind.
first we can't talk about religion, then metallica, now i can't hint at crack smoking? god damn!
ytsegoon (maybe i can't say that, either)
************************************************************************ david y. kobayashi the new york law school thrak75@aol.com dkobayashi@nyls.edu
"you have to learn how to change your instincts....or at least ignore them." -waiting for guffman ************************************************************************
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:45:23 EST From: WOLFESPOT <WOLFESPOT@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3344 Message-ID: <84488674.34907b15@aol.com>
how can I get off this mailing list? someone HELPMEPLEASE!?
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:53:08 -0600 (CST) From: Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com> To: Just Words <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: TSO, Awards Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.971211183905.23078A-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
]From: "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@Walden.MO.NET> > Hehe, yeah, I missed the show, but that is humourous. Kinda reminds=20 > me of a review of the TSO album I read in the paper last year. =20 > Described them as a combination of Yanni,
True. Even my mom thinks so.
> Rush, and=20
All talented musicians are compared to Rush by the mainstream-listening public, because Rush is probably the only talented band they've heard.
> Meatloaf, or something along those lines :).
Well, the one singer sounds like him (esp. on An Angel Came Down/ Returned.)
I don't think I could do much better; they're a ML clone + Children's Choir + Metal Band + etc. playing new-age-metal-classical christmas tunes. Who can you compare them to? ;-)
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]From: "[iso-8859-1] fl=E1vio maia" <fmaia@alpha200.digiopen.com.br> > To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> > Subject: ascf > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > Content-Type: text/plain; > subscribe flavio maia > Content-Type: text/html;
And this month's Not Even In The Ballpark award goes to... :)
--Jay "what's hard about spelling 'asdf'?" Omega --NP: Savatage - Edge Of Thorns
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 19:54:58 -0500 From: Dan Tarquin <dant@webspan.net> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Abstinence Message-ID: <01BD066E.BE297880@usr2-01.mor.nj.webspan.net>
Greetings,
Does anyone else stay away from their favorite song for long periods of = time, just so that it's better when you do listen to it?
If I had to name a favorite song of all time it would be Natural Science = or Hemisphere's by Rush, and I purposely stay away from listening to = them frequently, just so that when I do put them on, it's really = awesome. Especially because you don't hear those songs on the radio = unless it's a Rush A-Z or something..................
Dan
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 02:29:08 -0000 From: "Charlie Farrell" <charlie_farrell@email.msn.com> To: "Ytsejam list" <ytsejam@ax.com> Cc: <djw_at_neon@smtpgate.walker.com> Subject: DT gig at the Forum Message-ID: <05b1c4447020cc7UPIMSSMTPUSR01@email.msn.com>
Great to see that so many Jammers were at the Forum on Tuesday night. Maybe next year, we can organise ourselves and meet up before the gig! Lets hope they don't play the Forum. I'd prefer The Astoria (5 minutes from the office) or Shepherd's Bush Empire (on my way home). In both cases, there's more pubs where we could meet up before the gig.
Don't know what happened to Graham Borland. I went to buy a T-shirt at the end of the gig and next minute he'd vanished. Sound's like he had an eventful trip home :-))
Vanden Plas were great. I love the latest album and they seemed to concentrate on the material from that. Ties - the web-site is great and I agree that 'Rainmaker' is a great song!! (The Web Thing - Vanden Plas Internet Site: http://www.inf.fu-berlin.de/~goebel/vp/vp.html)
DT were magnificent. To be honest I was disappointed by the Tilburg gigs in April. The new songs seemed unfinished (they were) and though they played efficiently, there was a lack of feeling. None of that, this time. Everything sounded just right. Powerful, played with real conviction and with a great balance of material. JP's guitar was just so heavy!!!
Even Derek seemed to fit in - or perhaps, because he was stuck at the back with his lava lamps, I wasn't too aware of the faces he was pulling. Myung and the stick were great - NM grows on me all the time and made a great set closer. James's voice wasn't as perfect as in Tilburg but he was still in good shape considering the number of gigs they've played recently. Portnoy always delivers and his incitement to bombard Kerrapp with letters was spot on. Mustaine delivered a similar (though longer) speech on the same subject only a month or so ago. But its no use us just complaining about the state of the UK press - we have to do something - I suppose email is the easier alternative - and it saves a stamp.
I did write down the setlist - I just need to find the paper i wrote it on.
Another short jammer with a sore neck. But a UK jammer with World Cup tickets!!! Montpellier here I come! [shame England aren't playing there - but I'll get the chance to cheer on the Iranians against Germany. :-)) ]
Charlie
P.S. Finally who was the guy in the 'fix 96' t-shirt and Baseball cap?
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:49:22 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Bootlegs! Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971212014319.2077A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
Hi, there.
Well, since I'll be on vacation next week, I think that I'll set up some trades.
If you would like to see my bootleg list, please send an email to <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> with the subject "send bootlist" (without quotes, lowercase characters --- otherwise, my filtering program won't be able to process your e-mail).
The body of the message will be completely ignored (it is a program that will reply to your message; this also means that you will have your reply very quickly --- after a minute or so, the sufficient for the messages to travel).
Please, before setting up a trade, take the time :-) to read my trading guidelines at <http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html>. I will only trade if you agree with them.
Ok and sorry for the waste of bandwidth. :-)
Hope to hear from you soon, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:19:27 -0500 From: "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net> To: YtseGods <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT and the Future Message-ID: <3490BB4E.B0F091F5@enter.net>
I was just thinking the way to work today about DT's future (you do things like this during an hour drive). Now, I'm almost sure that Mike has said that the direction the band is going in is the way THEY want to go. I kind of question this.
Now I look at other 'good' bands and what they've done. They've not really progressed, but cycled towards comercialism. From Rush to Metallica to Queensryche and so on. A few bands/individuals that have side stepped this 'tradition' are Fates Warning (I totally applaud them for having the balls to do a 53 minute epic), Steve Vai, Joe Satriani abd for the most part Dream Theater. I know there are other less well known bands in the industry that are progressing, but I'm speaking in a larger scale.
What I think bands like Dream Theater and the like should do is, forget what is going on in the 'commercial world', but do what you want and TRY to change what's being played on the radio/MTV and the like. Just think about it, Rap/Dance music did it, and all that stuff is mostly rip off/ machines and boring pencil thumping noise.
Why doesn't DT try to step up and do what they stand for, instead of making their music 'more accessible'. I say BULL SHIT! Americans haven't gotten where they're by doing what others said or thought should be done. Americans had at one time progressed a head of everyone, until laziness and the easy way out of things stepped in, but that's besides the point. If you want something changed you have to at least introduce you're idea and not be afraid of critism.
We all know that the state of the music industry is at one of it's all time lows and we need someone to step up and lead the music industry into the 21st century- I sure don't think The Spice Girls, Sugar Ray, Jerkameoffa and Prodigy are going to do it.
How is it to be done? Great question, but fortunately we have some of the most intelligent, open minded, creative, free willed and progressive minds in the world right here. It might seem like a huge challenge and a mountain bigger than Everst to climb, but noone is saying it can't be done.
I know there are alot of holes and open ended stuff I left here, but I thought it would be a great conversation piece. Something that we can unite and talked civilized about and not bash each other over.
that's all and thanks for listening (reading)
Bruce Duesterhoeft
PS. I've been writing a manuscript and if you want to check it out, go to my home page and check out 'The Jytre': http://www.enter.net/~bduesterhoeft/bruweb.html
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