YTSEJAM Digest 3364
Today's Topics:
1) songs before dt shows
by TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org>
2) 2 questions
by JB <beamup@vt.edu>
3) re: Roxy complaints
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
4) FAN club
by JB <beamup@vt.edu>
5) Re: songs before dt shows
by Cappy <mgjones@mcs.net>
6) Re: What goes around...
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
7) Insomnia...
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
8) Arkhe, Hydrotoxin
by "Timothy P. Shough" <hounddog@nji.com>
9) Mark Zonder
by "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
10) Re: songs before dt shows
by Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
11) Re: Variety/setlists...
by Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com>
12) Re: Setlists etc...
by Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com>
13) DT content hidden somewhere
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
14) I'm back/Random thoughts (again)
by Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <stachowic_n@UHDVX3.DT.UH.EDU>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3362
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 16:14:21 -0500
From: TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: songs before dt shows
Message-ID: <34944C2D.5B2B8631@dreamt.org>
> From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu>
> Subject: DT shortening their setlist.... Duh!
> I think most fans would rather see DT play three more tunes LIVE
> than WAIT three songs longer for them to come on, even if they are
> listening to the unreleased stuff (which sucks, btw). DT is way
> into that "make the stage spooky and play some canned music" thing,
> but it drags on soooooo long! It's kind of like an announcer saying,
I dunno, i've never gotten to see them live, but maybe those songs are
played instead of silence while the band sets up? Who says DT is sitting
there backstage waiting for the right 'mood'? It probly takes 20 mins
alone just to set up MP's drumset :) I mean, the songs are played
between the opening band and DT, right? So that's probly what they do
with that time.
--Dan McCormack dmc@dreamt.org http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 15:15:09 -0500 From: JB <beamup@vt.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: 2 questions Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971214151509.007de7a0@mail.vt.edu>
hey all... sorry to have not been around for a while, but with all the interviewing and travelling and now with exams, I have very little time to do anything entertaining.
I was wondering if someone could privately email me about 2 things.
1. Is DT still set to go at the JAXX in Springfield on 12/26. I've had a friend up in Northern VA ask around, and he hasn't heard anything, even from JAXX 2. What's the status on the Hollow Years video? Done? Been shown yet?
p.s. well my loathing at those MTV junkies is ever more present... today flipped on "12 angry viewers"... and the winner was this video by the interpreters or something, with a video that rivaled Alanis Morisette's in plainness.... basically just a white background (until the last 5 seconds) with the three members sitting around half mouthing the words.... looking all strung out and crap. The viewers were saying things like "I liked the beat.. the video was plain, but I liked the beat so it gets a 5/5" "I loved the video, it was 'out there'"... ugh.... IT WASN'T 'OUT THERE'... it WASN'T THERE....
Jason
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jason Brindel Computer Engineering '97 Virginia Tech beamup@vt.edu http://www.vt.edu:10021/B/beamup (540)961-7262 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 15:19:30 -0500 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: Roxy complaints Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971214151928.0068f9a0@mail.ici.net>
>The show was great, of course. I just want more show and less intro >fluff, and I think most fans would rather see Nightmare Cinema or just >a smidgeon of ACoS than listen to an old (but good) Alice in Chains >song.
I sit here as a person who was unable to attend this show last night *at all* because of a prior commitment, and I have to read posts that the "between-sets music" was too long? Come on - if that's the biggest complaint you have, go whine at someone else, already. :) I would have gladly let them play another hour or two between sets - then maybe I could have gotten in to see part of the show.
Seriously, though, you make it sound like they are doing the whole thing on purpose. Don't forget that most of the time spent on that fluff is stage switchovers between sets and stuff like that. And realistically, when have you *ever* been to a show where the headliner didn't make you wait a little bit. Certainly not any of the good ones. Tha anticipation heightens the experience. :)
----- _____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________ E-Mail: psull@ici.net WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html IRC: DDictator ICQ: 2049374 ______________________________________________________ It's not hard to meet expenses, they're everywhere.
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 15:25:03 -0500 From: JB <beamup@vt.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FAN club Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971214152503.007dccd0@mail.vt.edu>
Hey, one other question... I sent in my $15 for the fan club about 4 months ago, (the check WAS cashed... so I know it got there), and have still yet to receive anything from them.... who should I contact, anyone know? what should I do? I want the fanzine and CDs!!!!
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jason Brindel Computer Engineering '97 Virginia Tech beamup@vt.edu http://www.vt.edu:10021/B/beamup (540)961-7262 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 15:09:44 -0600 From: Cappy <mgjones@mcs.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: songs before dt shows Message-ID: <19971214150944.03275@mcs.net>
On Sun, Dec 14, 1997 at 12:29:36PM -0800, TheCowGod wrote: > I dunno, i've never gotten to see them live, but maybe those songs are > played instead of silence while the band sets up? Who says DT is sitting > there backstage waiting for the right 'mood'? It probly takes 20 mins > alone just to set up MP's drumset :) I mean, the songs are played > between the opening band and DT, right? So that's probly what they do > with that time.
Everything for the headliner is *usually* set up beforehand, and the openers have to work around that. Between the opener and the headliner, all that really needs to be done (and I'm not a roadie, or anything, speaking of just what I've watched at gigs that don't close a curtain between sets) is hooking up some of the sound lines to the equipment and a few final setup things (like soundboard testing/setup)...usually nothing that would take more than 15 or 20 minutes to do. I've only seen DT twice, and both times there was almost an hour wait between opener and DT.
-- Mike Jones, mgjones@mcs.net __________ Cappy _________ cappy@progmetal.org Parallels - Official Fates Warning Mailing List | Progressive Metal Hub http://www.progmetal.org/fateswarning | http://www.progmetal.org
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 97 15:10:46 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com, ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: What goes around... Message-ID: <34944b56229f002@mhub0.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <199712131718.LAA06066@telepath.com> from ytsejam@ax.com: > Frankly, though, I just have never > understood the appeal of the Ozz. I find his vocal style downright grating.
I can understand that. I jut like it for some reason. I think it gives the music a sense of urgency.
> As for Ratt, I think I would rather "suck your ass" than be forced to listen > to them for an hour.
I have to admit I wouldn't sit and listen to a whole CD of them, but a few songs here and there on the radio is pretty cool.
-Brian
******************************************************************************** "So understand, don't waste your time always searching for those wasted years. Face up, make your stand, and realize you're living in the golden years." -Adrian Smith ******************************************************************************** Coleridge on IRC
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 97 15:13:59 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Insomnia... Message-ID: <34944bf42319002@mhub0.tc.umn.edu>
For the people who were talking about falling asleep to various songs, here's one for you: last night I fell asleep during Deftones in concert, for about a half-hour. And I swear they played the same song the whole time. God, they suck the root.
-Brian
******************************************************************************** "So understand, don't waste your time always searching for those wasted years. Face up, make your stand, and realize you're living in the golden years." -Adrian Smith ******************************************************************************** Coleridge on IRC
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 16:37:58 -0800 From: "Timothy P. Shough" <hounddog@nji.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Arkhe, Hydrotoxin Message-ID: <34947BE6.769E@nji.com>
Eric Desobe comments:
> Someone mentioned Arkhe and I had to post seeing as the timing was pretty > good. Yesterday, I got Arkhe, Darkstar, and Glass Hammer (Perelandra) in > the mail and my impressions: > > Arkhe - pretty good. Opening song has a smooth guitar going and I was > pretty excited, but the singer (although acent free) is not that great. A > very uneven James Labrie sound I guess. Will take some getting used to. > But the instrumental stuff is very prog, crazy, lots of keys etc. Grade B
Could someone please tell me where I can get a copy of this CD? Incidentally, both Arkhe and Hydrotoxin are very highly rated by The Laser's Edge, but they only have Hydrotoxin in stock (mine should arrive within two weeks...YESSSS!!! <Marv Albert mode off>). If someone could direct me to a copy of Arkhe, I'd be most grateful. Thanks!
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 13:41:13 PST From: "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mark Zonder Message-ID: <19971214214114.913.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hey everyone!
This is a clip from a Modern Drummer interview of Mark Zonder (november 97).Pretty interesting stuff:
<<<"There are a lot of things on this record(ApSoG)Iīve never done before, like rolling across the toms or riding a crash cymbal for a chorus,"Zonder says."And I think this is the first time Iīve been content with just opening the hi-hat and laying down a fat backbeat.Iīd like to think that by being more open to different ideas and approaches, I helped make this a really different record for us." Recording the disc was simply a prelude to the tedious task of preparing the music for re-creation in concert.Zonder spent a weekend at Matheosī home in New Hampshire, programming all the albumīs background noises and lead-ins---beat by beat---into a sequencer."Iīd start at 11 P.M. and work until about 4:30 A.M.,"says Zonder(who once lost five hours of work when Matheos inadvertently flipped a light switch that also controlled power to the sequencer)."It sound like a pain in the ass, and it definitely can be.But we donīt do any of this stuff just to be more artsy.The sequencer is just a tool for us to be able to do some creative and exciting things.For us, itīs like having two more guys in the band, without paying them." As it is, Zonder says that since adding bassist Joey Vera and bringing a keyboardist on tour the band has never sounded better."Itīs like a new band---not just in terms of people, but the music,"says Mark."We werenīt really happy with our last record[1995īs Inside Out].We reallly wanted something that was more live-sounding and aggressive this time, and I think we got that.Making it one continuous piece of music gives it a lot of natural ups and downs, which should make it pretty interesting live.As much as I enjoy the studio, I canīt remeber being more excited about getting out and doing some shows.I just want to see if we can pull this off.>>>
Hereīs another one:
<<<Zonder used his own recording studio and rehearsal facility(Billīs Place in North Hollywood)to extensively demo his parts before rehearsing them with the band.He also utilized smaller drums than usual---8" amd 10" rack toms, a 12" floor tom, a 20"kick, and a trio of snares(all GMS)---along with his usual array of triggers and electronic pads.Mark altered his kit from tune to tune, setting up only the drums and cymbals he planned to use for a given song.The effort made his kit more efficient to play, Zonder says.>>>
Happy jamming,
-Vilzu-
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:55:44 -0700 From: Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: songs before dt shows Message-ID: <349455E0.A6944BA3@goodnet.com>
Cappy wrote: > > few final setup things (like soundboard testing/setup)...usually > nothing > that would take more than 15 or 20 minutes to do. I've only seen DT > twice, > and both times there was almost an hour wait between opener and DT. Well, I think that the clubs have a part to play in the delays too... They want people to spend some time buying drinks and such, so they probably schedule in the bands to go on at specific times. Plus I think the band themselves likes to build the tension in the room a bit before going on, get the crowd a little antsy, so they go even more nuts when they hear "The Rooster"...:)
-- ~Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com> <ICQ # 2070538> Home Page / AZ Concerts Mailing List - http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream - http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer/fw Dream Theater "Unofficial" Song Book - http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer/dt ~Sola sapientia est qui me in merda posuit~
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:12:27 -0500 From: Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Variety/setlists... Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19971214171227.007c7c40@mindspring.com>
>song a true representation of the album version. Even if bands allow taping >at shows, that is a priviledge to tapes as well as a small percentage of the >audience members who may want a copy. It doesn't mean that the band is >going to surrender to a random setlist of songs to appease the tapers. As >far as with traders, we are well outnumbered by ones who just come to a show >JUST for the show and could care less about tapes. That one experience is >enough for many people to recollect in their minds without having to press >"Play".
I agree that a "random setlist" format should'nt be just for tapers. But DT has gotta know that their relatively small fan base is fairly rabid and many will be going to more than one show. These fans, for the most part I'm sure, would like to see something different at each show they go to. I'll still be all kinds of exited to see them in Atlanta (2 days!), but there won't be any suspense at all - just anticipation of seeing a great band. We know what they'll play, how they'll play it, etc etc. I've just always believed in variety in live shows. And don't the artists get bored with the same setlist for a year long tour?! I couldn't take it. In the past they've mixed up the song order as the tour goes along, but generally not too much change in the actual songs played. Hopefully we get to see something different this tour, but I don't see it happening...
DT in Atlanta = 2 days (!!!!!!)
Adam http://www.mindspring.com/~alpineone ^^ Tapelist w/ setlists...
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:27:16 -0500 From: Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Setlists etc... Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19971214172716.007af870@mindspring.com>
>As far as DT playing a different set each night, this is all very >well if they play so often and so widely that we all get to go to >three/four or more shows. But last Tuesday was the 1st time for >three yrs that they have come to the UK, and I think I can speak for >most of the people there when I say that we wanted to hear the set >they've been playing on this tour. Sure everyone has their own >favourites, but if they'd dropped Voices or Lines in the Sand or >JLMB or Met or PMU or the end of ACOS or Scarred, I would have just >felt cheated.
Though I really don't agree with you here, Adrian, you've brought up a very good point. This would be the only justification I could think of for having a generic setlist for an entire tour. While I really don't want to hear the exact same show four or five times throughout the tour, there are people who can't/won't travel to shows out of their cities, and for these folks the generic setlist approach is probably good. It's also good for people who aren't as familiar with DT as we are. I must say that the setlist they're using now is an excellent one, but for someone (like me) who is into tape trading, etc, I'd much prefer to get a unique experience at each show I attend. If I missed a show that they did something really unusual at, I'd trade for it, but, other than Nightmare Cinema and YYZ in Boston, nothing really of note has taken place this tour. Sure, they're my favorite band and I'd go see 'em a dozen times if I had the chance, but a dozen identical shows would get really old really fast. Besides, how else am I gonna hear Afterlife, LTL, or The Killing Hand on this tour? :)
DT in Atlanta = 2 days (!!!)
Adam
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:29:46 -0500 From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT content hidden somewhere Message-ID: <v0153050ab0ba1924fc40@[209.50.100.137]>
>>I picked up Ayreon: The Final Experiment at PowerMad.
Yes! I have only one song that somebody taped for me, "Sail Away to Avalon" This is a cool tune. What's the rest of it like?
>> One of the lead singers is Lenny Wolf, for those who >>were wondering what ever happened to him.
I also read somewhere that Lenny has a new Kingdom Come album coming out. Maybe it already is or maybe the idea was scrapped. He got a lot of bad reviews in the past of sounding too much like zeppelin; I did like his pre-KC band, Stone Fury. Got rid of it several years ago, though. Kind of wish I still had it. There were a couple rockin tunes on that.
TSO: I heard there was a TSO interview in Metal Edge Magazine. Has anyone read this? Jon & Paul supposedly had dollar signs in their eyes according to the story. News at 11.
-Jeff Keifling http://45150.com/music
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:25:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <stachowic_n@UHDVX3.DT.UH.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I'm back/Random thoughts (again) Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.971214182240.47311A-100000@DT3.DT.UH.EDU>
Hey, guys! After a brief hiatus to catch up on some schoolwork, take my finals, and learn the ropes of my new job (asst. editor of school newspaper), I've gotten some time to read 'jams again.
Rogerio Brito wrote: >I don't have even the most vaguely idea of why people feel bad >writing long posts. I don't either. <g> On with the rambling!
Scott <skooc@earthlink.net> wrote regarding re-recording WDADU: >Not a bad idea but LaBrie's fucking ego gets in the way. This guy >is one of the biggest assholes in rock and roll... <snip>
Well, I guess I never got the chance to tell you all about Ken's and my trip to Seattle (was that a month ago?!?), but James was very nice to the both of us! He signed at least 7 cd liners, and he even posed for a picture with Ken and me. (He even asked someone helping with the tour to take the picture.) So he's not as bad as everyone says he is. Oh, yeah, and John M. actually spoke to us. All of them were great!
On Rush airplay: I'm sure many of you noticed that they played TfE and Half the World a LOT when TfE was first released, but has anyone heard either of those songs in the past, say, 6 months?
Wes (Beavis) Foll wrote: >Check this out, I was over at my friend Andy's house today, and his his >mom had bought TSO not knowing it was a band like Savatage.
First of all, TSO *is* Savatage minus the singer plus an orchestra and guest vocalists. But you already knew that. ;) Second of all, my mom loved the album when I played it for her this weekend. :) She said that she had heard Christmas Eve/Sarajevo 12/24 on the Sunny station. (That's Neil Diamond/Celine Dion/love songs territory.) Third of all, I just love how the lead guitar just sings out in several songs... goosebumps!
On Bruce Duesterhoeft's hypothetical question: >Do you ytsejammers think that todays commercial world can be changed. >Or will it continually spiral downward so that my 5 year old nephew >banging on a pot and a pan will make millions.
Well, I saw a news story on a gorilla that's painting pictures, and now he's famous. I've heard of kids painting with watercolors or crayons and having their pictures hung in museums. What makes you think music is different from art? ;)
Oh, and later Neal Brown responded to the above question: >4) The music scene undergoes drastic changes every so often. I get the >feeling there's going to be a radical shift in music soon.
Yeah, Ska will take over the airwaves and become the next big thing. *shudder* Oh, wait. I'm still recovering from last night's nightmare where Charlie Dominici is about to shoot me in the street in front of a giraffe and several small children. (That was a real nightmare, btw.)
OK, I think that's it for now. If I don't post again (chances are I will now that I have all this free time), Merry Christmas, everyone. :)
-Nicole aka Kirby
Nicole Stachowicz McWatters : Assistant Editor of Dateline Kirby on irc.dreamt.org : a student publication of the Undergrad Professional Writing Major : University of Houston-Downtown stachowic_n@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu -or- ytsekirby@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039
"And of all the nights throughout the year/ That come and gently leave None hold the dream of magic/ Like the evening, Christmas Eve" -liner notes, "Christmas Eve and Other Stories" by Trans-Siberian Orchestra
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 19:55:49 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3362 Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.971214193248.88278A-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Sun, 14 Dec 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote: > > I wonder why record companies complain that bands like DT don't sell well. > Just an observation, but I have YET to see FII advertised as a new release > anywhere. Maybe I'm overlooking something, but could it be their own damn > fault? Without any label promotion, of course it aint gonna sell.
Amen!
---and-----
> Nah. 1) MTV is losing influence among my generation (I'm 19) because > more and more people are sick of going "baa". 2) <gloom> At some point, > it's certainly possible that the US/world economy will go under and the > bloated music industry will plummet.
MTV shot themselves in the foot. I just did a paper on MTV so I'm in a really anti-MTV mood right now. When MTV first started, it was a great source to learn about new music. Now, with the advent of non-music programming ("Singled Out," "Real World", etc) less time can be spent playing music, much less new music. As a result, MTV is no longer seen as the new music source that it once was. That's not to say that radio doesn't base their programming on MTV rotation, but people are starting to get hip to the fact that MTV doesn't have it's finger on the pulse of music anymore. Oh, and about the music industry plummeting, it's not going to happen due to some global depression or anything. One of the music industry's biggest fear is, coincidentally, the internet. Imagine what would happen if major bands made entire new albums available for downloading off the internet, thereby bypassing the need for a record label at all? Granted, there are certain logistics that would need to be worked out, but if more people start having access to the internet this could turn into some scary shit.
---and---- > Most R&B-House-Dance-Shit (RBHDS) groups going around today seem like > they're just being churned out in some huge musical printing press out > the back of Godknowswhere.
I know a prominent tour manager who once referred to this process as the "BabyFace Car Wash." :)
I agree with you about "follow his producer's > instructions well enough to make a hit record", that's something that > hasn't changed, but the lack of intregrity, authenticity or uniquness > across the RBHDS (and any other commercially viable) bands today is > worse now than ever before. > If you go back to the origins of the music industry (ie Tin Pan Alley, etc), you'll see that for certain genres this has always been the case. Look at some of the Motown stuff. It's no different today.
Richie
P.S. Any suggestions on how to finish a 10 page philosphy paper comparing/contrasting Stitch to Harman would be greatly appreciated.....
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