YTSEJAM Digest 3372
Today's Topics:
1) Lines In The Sand tab, Empty Tremor samples
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
2) Re: Working Man/Portnoy
by Shawn Carroll <carrolls@psi.com>
3) pat matheny, b/l/s
by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
4) Hollow Years cover
by Matthew Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com>
5) Re: For those going to the Atlanta show... (ACOS TAB project)
by Cassiano Barbosa <geoimage@uol.com.br>
6) Are you a Freak - Yes I am
by Christian Hallebro <hallebro@kuai.se>
7) Re: For those going to the Atlanta show... (ACOS TAB project)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
8) Burning my soul
by TheYTSEJAM <TheYTSEJAM@aol.com>
9) NDTC!!! - Pat Metheny
by Chad Donovan Mitchell <kerensky@telepath.com>
10) Re: Hollow Years cover
by calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro)
11) HY single
by calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro)
12) Scanned CD covers + MP3 Question
by Hafiz Mawji <hafizm@octonline.com>
13) Just beat it :)
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
14) Check on status of DTIFC!
by Kevin <kvill@flash.net>
15) Not just DT and FW, look to the east
by "Ivan-Assen Ivanov" <i_assen@topteam.bg>
16) Savatage
by "Ivan-Assen Ivanov" <i_assen@topteam.bg>
17) guitar Guiness record
by "Ivan-Assen Ivanov" <i_assen@topteam.bg>
18) Yes Jam
by "Ivan-Assen Ivanov" <i_assen@topteam.bg>
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:08:12 -0800
From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Lines In The Sand tab, Empty Tremor samples
Message-ID: <3497340B.6989@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
My friend Ardian is working on the "Lines In The Sand" tab.
I will inform you when it will be online on Prog Or Die.
After that, he will work on "Burning My Soul".
Than, he will try to work on the complete APSOG guitar tab !!!
The EMPTY TREMOR samples on Prog Or Die can be heard only with SoundBlaster.
I've used a Cretive Labs compresions software to make the files smaller.
I will try to convert them in to MP3 format so eveyone can enjoy the greatest
band since Shadow Gallery (IMO).
The samples can be found on the More Progressive Bands section.
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BTW, my top 10 albums of the week :
1)Dream Theater - Falling Into Infinity
2)Empty Tremor - Apocolokyntosys
3)Europe - The Forgotten Tales
4)Dream Theater - Hollow Years (SINGLE)
5)Shadow Gallery - Shadow Gallery
6)Dream Theater - Awake
7)Dream Theater - Images And Words
8)John Norum - Another Destination
9)Angra - Holy Land (2CD)
10)Europe - Prisoners In Paradise
ARASH
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:05:12 -0500
From: Shawn Carroll <carrolls@psi.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Working Man/Portnoy
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971216120510.009829c0@p3.herndon.psi.com>
Howdy All,
I think I rememeber reading that Rush was not upset that people wanted to
pay tribute to them but more so what a tribute meant to Rush...
Most tribute albums recognize bands that have had their "Golden Years" and
are no longer putting out music that made them famous... Either that or
the artist being recognized is dead.
Rush's issue with the tribute was "Hey, we are still here, still rocking
and still have great music left to write, so don't write us off yet with a
tribute album."
I think I remember reading that there was litigation pending against Magna
Carta for being the label behind the Working Man tribute. I don't know how
that turned out though.
Shawn
>> 2) What was Peart's reaction to the tribute album?
>
>I don't know the exact details, but he wasn't happy with it. I think he's
>been quoted as saying it was just a bunch of bar bands trying to cash in
>on Rush's name.
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:45:00 -0500
From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: pat matheny, b/l/s
Message-ID: <199712161741.MAA21732@bertelsmanncis.com>
two things have come up recently that i thought i'd comment on. the
first is bozzio / levin / stevens, an absolutely incredible album. what
incredible players.
ok, pat matheny. i know very little, having only picked up one of his
more recent works, "under a missouri sky." it's mostly just duets with
charlie haden, a wonderfully talented upright bass player. the music is
very mellow, but is quite beautiful. high recommendations.
--MATt
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:03:15 -0500
From: Matthew Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Hollow Years cover
Message-ID: <3496C263.9EF0D628@disknet.com>
> I've put up a scan of the cover for the "Hollow Years" single at
> http://www.auburn.net/~swifty/dreaholl.html
Are you sure you did? I get the page and background graphics and the tracklisting at
the bottom, but the album cover doesn't load.
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:57:16 -0200
From: Cassiano Barbosa <geoimage@uol.com.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: For those going to the Atlanta show... (ACOS TAB project)
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971216005705.007d6820@pop3.uol.com.br>
>>On Mon, 15 Dec 1997 eckie@asu.edu wrote:
>
>> > handed to him a few months ago. In particular, I want to know:
>> >
>> > 1) If he approves/disapproves of us doing this.
>>
>> Why would he disapprove of fans trying to figure out his own songs and
>> teaching each other? He knows tab books are rip-offs nowadays! :)
I must say that I would be glad to buy an official ACOS tab book. But as I
know that it certainly won't be released, I think the idea of the ACOS tab
project is great. Many people want to learn how to play DT songs.
>
> When I talked to him, he said that he would be very happy to
>correct everything in the tab. He said: "I don't want people playing my
>things erroneously" (it is paraphrased, but that's the essence).
Essence - paraphrase = "I don't wanna see any mistakes, man". I remember
that. :)
>
>> ~Eckie Again
>
> []s, Roger...
Later,
Cassiano
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:09:17 +0100
From: Christian Hallebro <hallebro@kuai.se>
To: YTSEJAM digest <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Are you a Freak - Yes I am
Message-ID: <3496C3CC.72D5147C@kuai.se>
After I have listen to Freak Kitchens "Spanking Hour" for two weeks now
I must say it is a killer album and probably the best I have bout in
'97.
And Mattias "IA" Eklundh is a real wizard with his guitar.
So find it, buy it, listen to it and love it.
Christian
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:36:23 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: For those going to the Atlanta show... (ACOS TAB project)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971216163033.27181A-100000@karp.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Cassiano Barbosa wrote:
> > When I talked to him, he said that he would be very happy to
> >correct everything in the tab. He said: "I don't want people playing my
> >things erroneously" (it is paraphrased, but that's the essence).
>
> Essence - paraphrase = "I don't wanna see any mistakes, man". I remember
> that. :)
Well, you have the tape with our voices... You should remember
better than I... :-) BTW, if I'm not mistaken, he said that he had some
solo material. I don't remember what his response was. Could you refresh
my mind and also say something to the people here. Maybe we should start
another petition, you know. :-)
> Later,
>
> Cassiano
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:44:32 EST From: TheYTSEJAM <TheYTSEJAM@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Burning my soul Message-ID: <68297a1e.3496cc12@aol.com>
Hi guys,
sorry if this has already been asked. Is there a commercial single out for "Burning my soul", if yes, does it include any new songs like the "Hollow years- single" in europe?
Please email me private. Chris
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:49:50 -0600 (CST) From: Chad Donovan Mitchell <kerensky@telepath.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NDTC!!! - Pat Metheny Message-ID: <199712161849.MAA29621@telepath.com>
Pat Metheny is a God. Ask any guitar player. :) He's only won five Grammys for best jazz album of the year. And his work does have common ground with prog, since early jazz/fusion, i.e. Miles Davis, Weather Report, was a heavy influence for a lot of early progsters. For a good starting place, check out the 1995 live album, "The Road to You", which has some of his best later works.
Chad Mitchell "Doctors get to bury their mistakes...Architects can only advise their clients to plant vines." -- Frank Lloyd Wright
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:20:04 -0500 From: calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Hollow Years cover Message-ID: <3496E274.7A23AEC2@caribe.net>
Matthew Robbins-McDaniel wrote:
> > I've put up a scan of the cover for the "Hollow Years" single at > > http://www.auburn.net/~swifty/dreaholl.html > > Are you sure you did? I get the page and background graphics and the tracklisting at > the bottom, but the album cover doesn't load.
its tehre he just directed the picture "link" do a .JPG
try this one http://www.auburn.net/~swifty/dreahol1.jpg
BTW .. just got the HY SIngle too.. havent listened to it yet so icant tell you about the new" songs
In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:progboy@mindless.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:30:03 -0500 From: calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro) To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: HY single Message-ID: <3496E4CB.5137C7F1@caribe.net>
Ok, the radio edit is pretty cool..i mean ...still is better than 90% that whats on the radio...
You or me.. hmmm i cant decide myself with this version... I like the music better than you not me... but the lyrics/vocal parts kinda suck.....but the song itself,..(IMO) is much better...less straightforward...
Way it used to be...hm. all i can say is... U2!
its really cool but wouldnt have fit on Fii.. at least imo
--
In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:progboy@mindless.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:38:48 -0500 From: Hafiz Mawji <hafizm@octonline.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Scanned CD covers + MP3 Question Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971216143848.007c8900@octonline.com>
Hi all Jammers,
This is my first post to the list. I just wanted to tell everyone that I have scanned my cd covers for all 5 DT albums and put them on my website. These are not just regular covers as all of them are autographed by the members of DT. I got them autographed on October 29th when I saw them in Toronto. That was a special day as Dream Theater also played a 25 minute acoustic set in our downtown HMV, which was where I got the autographs. I was lucky since the security stressed that you were only allowed to get one autograph but I was near the end of the line and showed the group all my Cd covers so they signed them all. The songs played live in the acoustic setting were: Take Away my Pain, Silent Man, Hollow Years, and a small Jam. I also have scanned my ticket for the show and its on my website. I will post the songs that they played in concert in order:
Lines in the Sand Under a Glass Moon Burning My Soul Voices Take Away My Pain The Mirror/Puppies on Acid Crimson Sunset/Innocence Just Let Me Breathe Peruvian Skies Pull Me Under Scarred Ytse Jam w/drum solo New Millenium Inevitable Summer/Crimson Sunset Metropolis Part 1 Damage Inc riff
I have all this stuff on my website, so if you would like to trade for other rarities please check it out at: http://members.octonline.com/terabyte/an320.htm
I would like to know where I can download some .MP3 files from the web, can someone email me some sites that have heavy metal material on there, thanks.
Thanks all and have a great weekend.
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:49:56 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: Just Let Me Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Just beat it :) Message-ID: <3496DB64.15FB@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
> 5400 in a minute, or 90 a second! Some guy Gary Clarke aka Rick > Raven.
Welcome to the wonderful world of typos!
I'd believe 540, but not 5400, unless Gary is electro mechanical ;) -- *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------*
"The Apollo Guidance Computer was primitive by any modern comparison having but 72 kilobytes of ROM and 4 kilobytes of RAM"
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:57:16 -0600 From: Kevin <kvill@flash.net> To: YtseJam Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Check on status of DTIFC! Message-ID: <3496EB2C.5ED2@flash.net>
How does one go about checking on their status in the DTIFC. I subbed early this year (or late last year, can't remember) and certainly need to know if funds are due. Thanks, Kevin Villines.
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:08:34 +0200 From: "Ivan-Assen Ivanov" <i_assen@topteam.bg> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Not just DT and FW, look to the east Message-ID: <B0000015285@new.acsior-ns.bg>
>Now many people think that this 70s progressive rock craze started with >Rush. That may be true to an extent, but you actually should go back in >time about 3-4 years with Yes and Emerson Lake and Palmer.
These "many people" probably have the same problem most of the jammers have: they are American, and as such fail to notice anything happening in Europe. No hard feelings, but you guys miss an awful lot of brilliant music. Progressive rock started in the end of the 1960s with Pink Floyd and Genesis and Yes and ELP, when for musicians in America Vietnam and drugs and all that hippie craze was more essential than music itself. I admit, I discovered Dream Theater, Rush and Fates Warning a bit too late (actually, as for Fates Warning, I owe this to the Ytsejam); I hope you will feel the same joy, if you try out modern European prog-metal. I don't have an idea how easy is to get hold of CDs of obscure European bands in America, but check out for the label "Nuclear Blast", a German firm, specialized in "ultra-right" metal (like Scandinavian death-metal, which turns more and more progressive each year), gothic and atmospheric metal. BTW, I have the feeling that "gothic" has a different meaning in Europe and in the USA. Here it is mostly a kind of metal, not some insane black-wearing post-punk electroid-heads I couldn't believe my ears what a guy from Fates Warning (I can't remember his name, I wasn't much of their fan back then) said in an interview for a local radioshow. He was asked what young bands did he like in Europe (he was in Europe at the time), and he quoted Paradise Lost. The guy who was taking the interview was at least as surprised as me, and explained him Paradise Lost are a band with maybe a decade of history and five albums behind them; the one from Fates Warning said "Oh really, they are unknown in the states." Anyway, trust him: Paradise Lost are a great example of a ex-death-metal band turning to gothic/progressive metal. Try also Amorphis, which play something of Finnish folk metal, their English equivalent Skyclad, or a some of the wonderful metal-with-a-female-vocal bands like The Gathering (Netherlands), Left Hand Solution (Norway, I think), or especially The Gallery (Germany). I got the first album of The Gallery a month ago and still can't believe my ears. I haven't enjoyed anything this much since ACoS. (if you can't find it in the stores, search for "The Gallery" in the UBL; it will point you to their recording company's Web page; the company's called "Hall of Sermon").
Anyway, try what's happening on our side of the Atlantic. You'll like it. Assen
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:13:38 +0200 From: "Ivan-Assen Ivanov" <i_assen@topteam.bg> To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Savatage Message-ID: <B0000015286@new.acsior-ns.bg>
>>Are there any other Savatage albums anyone would recommend? I already >>asked for "Streets" for Xmas, but I was wondering if any of the others >>would be a good investment. > > EDGE OF THORNS EDGE OF THORNS EDGE OF THORNS > EDGE OF THORNS EDGE OF THORNS EDGE OF THORNS
IMHO, Edge Of Thorns is so pop it makes Bon Jovi seem like Beethoven, but the new album, "The Rise of Magellan", is as rich and complex as DWD.
BTW, if you like James Hatfield, check out the band Darkseed from Germany. It sounds like James Hatfield sings with his sister, but the music is very progressive.
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:49:25 +0200 From: "Ivan-Assen Ivanov" <i_assen@topteam.bg> To: "Ytsejam, aka the Ultimate Inbox Flooder" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: guitar Guiness record Message-ID: <B0000015289@new.acsior-ns.bg>
> The demos part might be singular, but it's one of those. It's a >guiness book index. Type in "guitar" in the search field, and then >select "miscellaneous endeavors: guitar playing." Look at the record >for fastest playing; it'll blow your fucking mind. It can't be true; >just figure out how many notes per minute that is. In case you're too >lazy to go there and you'd rather just trust me, it says the record is >5400 in a minute, or 90 a second! Some guy Gary Clarke aka Rick Raven. > jason It is possible; I watched a documentary about a guy who held this record for some time; the trick is he doesn't play "real music". He presses D on the griff and strumms four times ( up/down/up/down), then presses D# and strumms for times etc. The next string is played in the reverse direction; it looks like a glissando, and it SOUNDS like a glissando, but if you look at the soundtrack image, say on a wave editor, it looks allright.
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:30:54 +0200 From: "Ivan-Assen Ivanov" <i_assen@topteam.bg> To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Yes Jam Message-ID: <B0000015287@new.acsior-ns.bg>
>"90125" was the first Yes album I bought and though I enjoyed it quite alot, >upon further exploring earlier works, I was just as impressed and morely >blown away by their musical virtuosity. Well, you were lucky. I started with "Relayer" and "Close to the Edge", and when I heard "90125" I was disgusted. I learned to like it, or at least not to hate it too much. Yes did the same Rush and Genesis did in the 80s - started playing almost disco music.
> I think in certain ways Yes and DT are much alike. That's exactly what I'm afraid of. Falling Into Infinity bears the same signs as Tormato - Yes's first shift towards the commercial swamp they needed 10 years to get out of. The songs are shorter, the ideas - not fully exploited, the vocals are simple and melodic.
>I think it would probably be one of the most >challenging covers DT could ever try (definitely Gates -- it is just >SICK!!!) That's just my opinion, though! :) I've heard that the Magna Carta recording company (Magellan, Shadow Gallery) did a "Tribute to Yes" CD called "Tales of YESterday"; the only thing I've heard from it are 20 second from Magellan'd rendition of "Don't Kill the Whale" on RealAudio, but it was awesome. Go get it, if you can; I'm out of this option.
>Buy some of their earlier works >like: The Yes Album, Fragile, Close To The Edge, TFTO, Relayer. Tales From Topographic Oceans is not for the faint of heart; try Fragile and The Yes Album first. TFTO is a deeply moving, religious work (albeit what kind of religion this is, I don't know). I remember how Yes sounded to me, before I got into them: an enormous, seemingly amorphous, incomprehensible mass of sounds. Believe me, this holds true even for ears used to things like 'Metropolis' or 'APSoG'. Don't spoil the fun with jumping straight into TFTO. You'll appreciate it later.
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