YTSEJAM Digest 2248
Today's Topics:
1) More Music
by psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
2) MTV web site, ECHOLYN
by "Robin L. Campbell" <campbell@str.com>
3) New album
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
4) Re: SDV samples and more...
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
5) EAST/WEST SUCKS HARDCORE!!!!
by Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
6) SDV
by Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
7) Dream Theater, less progressive????
by Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
8) Cover My eyes??
by Gkras19@aol.com
9) Answer to a Gamma Question
by Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
10) New DT that makes me moo in joy
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
11) a song - NDTC
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
12) Re: Dream Theater, less progressive????
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
13) Cover my eyes and hopefully when you remove your hands their will be a new Dream Theater album in front of me.
by "Jonathan Dery" <metropolis@net1plus.com>
14) mary jane, new dt, and a request to all jammers
by WildKoba@aol.com
15) I thought we got past this
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
16) PMU-ending, personnel changes, overdubs
by sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch)
17) snare sound (again!)
by sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch)
18) Re: PMU-ending, personnel changes, overdubs
by "Robert Quezada" <rquezada@monmouth.com>
19) anyone watching PBS at about 8 PM last night??
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
20) "tell me i'm mad, how should i know?"
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
21) Fix
by Jan-Michael Souter <jmichael@airmail.net>
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 12:55:25 -0500
From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: More Music
Message-ID: <199702051750.MAA15206@uhura.ici.net>
> In the meantime (since there is nothing they can do about it), the
>band has still been writing music, adding to the 2-plus hours and
>growing song list. The two songs
>are:
>Cover my Eyes (3:20)
>Hollow Years (6:20)
The hell with a DOUBLE CD......
Sheesh...if the label doesn't get it's act togther soon, they're going to
have to release the FIRST QUADRUPLE-CD STUDIO PACKAGE EVER MADE!!!!
..or maybe, to make it easier for new fans, they could release it as 2
double CD's.
:)
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_____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________________
E-mail: psull@ici.net
IRC: DDictator
WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
NP: Dream Theater - "When Dream And Day Unite"
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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 97 12:34:28 -0600
From: "Robin L. Campbell" <campbell@str.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: MTV web site, ECHOLYN
Message-ID: <199702051839.KAA12707@pawn.ax.com>
Hey y'all
To whoever posted about the MTV web site, I was just cutious, so I
found out it was at the unlikely address of : WWW.MTV.COM! I'm a regular
Magnum P.I. without the mustache!
Anyone interested in buying the 'As the World' disc from Echolyn? I
just can't seem to get into this stuff, but maybe someone else can. Let me
know if you are interested.
See y'all later!
-rob
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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:43:59 -0500 (EST)
From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New album
Message-ID: <199702051844.NAA06230@umbc8.umbc.edu>
I think that if DT has 3 CD's worth of music, they should take
the 60-70mins that sound most like I&W's and just put that on
1 CD. I don't need 2 other CD's full of White Zombie Theater
(refering to some of the new stuff heard at Birch Hell).
-- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/------------------------------
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 97 11:34:44 PST8 From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: SDV samples and more... Message-ID: <9701058551.AA855168974@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
>Sorta New at this...anyways I'm looking for names on progressive rock >bands...so if there are any good ones out there...please lemme know. Oh >yeah, in "Space Dye Vest" there's this background voice talking saying "he >doesn't want you to be real, to think and so have feelings"...blah blah >blah, you know what I'm talkin' about....anyways, where is that from? Jes' >curious. Much love. Well, for answers to the sources of many of the samples and what the heck they are saying, check out the DT "unofficial" Song Book at: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer/dt/dt.htm And for even more cool info, check out the most excellent DT FAQ that D-man loving maintains, the actual address escapes me, but go to: http://www.rsabbs.com/dt -the official DT site And check for it there... ~Mike
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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:26:31 -0500 (EST) From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: EAST/WEST SUCKS HARDCORE!!!! Message-ID: <199702052026.PAA03898@hammurabi.nh.ultra.net>
I agree with Tony man, It's bullshit that east/west can't get their shit together. I WANT AN ALBUM AND I WANT IT NOW!!!!!!!!! Does anyone have the e mail address for the record company? Fuck it, give me their phone number and I will have an interesting chat with them. Wish me luck, J
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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:28:20 -0500 (EST) From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: SDV Message-ID: <199702052028.PAA16622@hammurabi.nh.ultra.net>
I wondering if anyone could tell me what the samples are in SDV? I was just curious where they came up with them. Later, J
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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:35:49 -0500 (EST) From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dream Theater, less progressive???? Message-ID: <199702052035.PAA18204@hammurabi.nh.ultra.net>
I heard and saw some of the new stuff DT is putting on the new album. It is harder edged and less progressive. What are everyone elses opinions on the subject? Just curious, J
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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:02:20 -0500 (EST) From: Gkras19@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Cover My eyes?? Message-ID: <970205154926_2093000851@emout17.mail.aol.com>
Why are some jammers assuming that "Cover my Eyes" or "Close my eyes", is a ballad just because it under 4 minutes long. Did it ever occur to anyone that it could be a really fast aggresive song. Just something to keep an open mind about.
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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:07:27 -0600 From: Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Cc: "'TTubbiola@aol.com'" <TTubbiola@aol.com> Subject: Answer to a Gamma Question Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=GE%l=AMERIDATA/ADNC/00131CBB@msb01ncadctmsge.ameridata.com>
>>>>Question for old prog fans. . . >>>>A longtime lurker here. Does anyone here remember Gamma w/Ronnie Montrose? I'm wondering if there were ever any CD releases of the album with "Man On The Ship" on it?
Since I can answer this, it kinda dates me...Well I have this friend who is a girl (unfortunately not the other way around...), also an annually challenged person , who gave me a tape (from LP) with GAMMA1 & GAMMA2. I'll have to check at home, but I believe the song you're talking about is called *Voyager*. It's from GAMMA2. The only GAMMA CD I've seen is a Best of Gamma. It'll probably have this song, since it was the cut that got the most airplay. FYI for the annually challenged, GAMMA also did a cover of Thunderclap Newman's 'Something's in the Air', also on GAMMA2. Fo mo info cheque out: http://www.west.net/~wedge/montrose+gamma.html
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Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 15:44:23 -0600 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: New DT that makes me moo in joy Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970205214423.00725820@mail.inlink.com>
> >I think that if DT has 3 CD's worth of music, they should take >the 60-70mins that sound most like I&W's and just put that on >1 CD. I don't need 2 other CD's full of White Zombie Theater >(refering to some of the new stuff heard at Birch Hell).
the further they get from I&W the more i've gotten into it, each new step i dig, i dont want another I&W personally, i want a NEW ALBUM.. and from what i've heard the new stuff is taking even more of a step in a new direction than awake was from i&w.. i think it also has some serious airplay possibilities. kinda funny you mention white zombie, someone once said james labrie sounded like rob zombie on caught in a web when i played it to her.. dont think the progressive time sigs are gone, they're all still there, but the overall style keeps getting more harsh and raw as we go... lets get this new album rolling, i'm for the quadruple cd!! ~Rip
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Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 17:43:55 -0500 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: a song - NDTC Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970205174351.0068ab18@ici.net>
Sorry to waste the bandwidth, but I need some opinions....
I just put up the lyrics to a song I'm working on. I've been tinkering with it for over a year, and yet there's still a few spots that don't "feel" right. Therefore, I am enlisting the assistance of you knowledgable music folks to straighten me out.
The song is available at
http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/song.htm
So if you happen to surf by, feel free to e-mail me suggestions. Oh, yeah, if you like it the way it is, feel free to tell me that, too. :)
Thanx in advance
________Pat Sullivan__________________________________ E-mail: psull@ici.net WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html IRC: DDictator NP: Tool - "Aenima"
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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 17:01:46 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Dream Theater, less progressive???? Message-ID: <199702060001.RAA30072@jamaica.u.arizona.edu>
At 12:42 PM 2/5/97 -0800, you wrote: >I heard and saw some of the new stuff DT is putting on the new album. It is >harder edged and less progressive. What are everyone elses opinions on the >subject? Just curious, J > Well, at heart I'm a thrash metal freak. I basically cut my teeth playing the guitar to old Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax, Teseament, Pantera, etc. I've just gotten into prog in the past year or two. My personal favorite DT songs are the heavier, ballzier ones (PMU, Mirror/LIE, CiaW, Scarred, Afterlife) and I'd love to hear them go a even heavier. They're not gonna stop being prog. After all, Met pt 2 is supposed to be 30 minutes or so. I dunno about you, but that's pretty darn progressive in my ever-so-humble opinion. Either way, Dream Theater kicks butt and they'll continue to do so. Rock on.
Peace be with you and God bless, ~Vince
(http://www.u.arizona.edu/~vgl)
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Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 19:38:47 -0500 From: "Jonathan Dery" <metropolis@net1plus.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Cover my eyes and hopefully when you remove your hands their will be a new Dream Theater album in front of me. Message-ID: <32F92817.5E86@net1plus.com>
I sorta picture "Cover My Eyes" as a real moody, melancholy piece of music about a very tragic event happening that the main character cannot bear to witness. I don't really picture it as a commercial song. When I first heard the title and length of the song, I immediately thought of "Don't Leave Me Now" from "The Wall". It seems like the last four songs that the band has written are going to be real depressing. Just think of the titles: "Trial of Tears" (not a happy title), "Peruvian Skies" (child abuse- probably the coolest title the band has ever come up with), "Cover My eyes" ("Oh I can't stand to look at it any longer!"), and "Hollow Years" (probably about the last couple of years of trying to put out a new fucking album and having a producer die and have the label shit on them- mmm, probably not).
-Jon Dery
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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 19:47:17 -0500 (EST) From: WildKoba@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: mary jane, new dt, and a request to all jammers Message-ID: <970205193055_-1777580226@emout10.mail.aol.com>
hi there. been a while since i had time to sit and masturbate on my keyboard to you boys and girls....so i thought with the imminent holiday, i'd show you all a token of my love to you...
to mr. erik: re: i know all about the honor of god, mary jane
you know, i've always wondered about why kevin (i imagine he selected the sample- he wrote the freakin song!) picked those samples....so apprently irrelevant, so almost-nonsensical. much like you, i am not a literary critic- as a matter of fact, i know barely anything about literature...but maybe he was trying to get us to concoct these images into our little craniums....i always get the image of an old decrepit woman saying that line to another much younger woman, in front of this old mansion, with thunderclouds sweeping by....that and for some stupid reason, dave mustaine comes to mind. the voice makes me think of him- as if he could be the one saying it. whatever....
re: new dt
i wonder if they've ever thought of switching labels. a new company that would perhaps support them more. too bad relativity records went the way of the dodo bird. maybe it's not even the record co.'s fault- but i mean, this wait is really getting ridiculous, as i imagine the band must think. what happened to paul northfield? and i've argued this in the past- why can't the porn toy himself do it? i know someone once argued that they don't have the true know-how of how to do it, but this sure would be a good learning experience, wouldn't you think? if alan parsons, can do it, i mean..if fucking pete steele can co-produce an album, come on petrucci......whatever.
lastly, a request too all jammers. please listen. i am in a computer science class that teaches you how to use the net (yeah, it's a blow off class, i know), and i have to make a project where i run a business and put up a web page for it. i'm considering calling my place the "wild koba home of the bizarre guitar", and would like your assistance. YOU can make a difference.
anyone who's got jpegs of any fucked up guitars (i.e., the legions of you goons with warr guitars), i would love it if you sent one my way. the weirder the better. anyone with a pic of vai's heart-shaped guitar, for instance? any of your own little concoctions? i would love you bitterly if you helped me out. thanks.
ytsegoon
********************************************************************** david yoichi kobayashi binghamton university bd91014@binghamton.edu
"'conducting' is when you draw 'designs' in the nowhere- with a stick, or with your hands- which are interpreted as 'instructional messages' by guys wearing bow ties who wish they were fishing." -frank zappa **********************************************************************
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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 97 17:24:03 PST From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I thought we got past this Message-ID: <9702060124.AA21117@tengs1>
Bruce,
What a hypocrite! In your post, you make fun of:
>AACK!!!
Bill the Cat.
>When will you ever learn?!?! When will the vitriolic
People without college educations.
>ytsejam
Dyslexic people (DT is really guility of this)
>cold-hearted
Me.
>insensitive animal
Nature.
>to take every opportunity avaliable to batter away at someone's old lady
OJ Simpson (oooo, don't go there).
>Whaddya also kick puppies
And sociopaths.
cheers! (oops, making fun of alcoholics)
Zach
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 03:01:21 +0100 (MEZ) From: sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch) To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam - the Dream Theater mailing list) Subject: PMU-ending, personnel changes, overdubs Message-ID: <9702060201.AA81308@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>
Hi!
Just (once again) some quick notes to these topics. I don't know if you discussed them to death already, so I'll keep it short:
PMU ending
Yes, they wanted it this way. Yes, the idea was stolen from "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" from The Beatles' Abbey Road album. And yes, it sounds shitty. I thought it was an mastering error because it sounds like someone forgot to fade out or accidently pushed the red button or something. The live ending is much better, because they *play* it, instead of just switching off the power ;-)
Label problems
James once said that Derek Oliver were "their father", because he signed DT back then. Oliver is gone and maybe the label support with him... Well, if the label has no interest in getting the band in the studio, that is one problem. But why the hell doesn't the manangement something? Like pushing EastWest to get the band recording. Or any other label, if EW really lost all interest in DT.
Ok, I don't know what's going on there, but anyway: Wake Up, Rob Shore and company! Do something! At least do more than now ;-)
Overdubs
Yes, there were overdubs on the live tracks. LATM sounds quite raw, so I don't think they touched a lot. They heavily overdubbed the vocals on the ACOS live tracks -- James was sick this time, think of the Japan PPV-show. I think it's ok as long as you tell everybody, but they didn't. Just a small note in the booklet like 'some vocals rerecorded in studio' or something. Would have been more honest this way.
Don't start another James-bashing now, he's still the best!
DT-webpage contest
Hey, visit my webpages and vote for me. And if it's just for the graphics ;-) Hi to Chris and the others, they've got fine pages, too! But I still don't know why NAV included my (German) page... well, I won't complain.
Later,
Steffen
----------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE MIRROR - Official German Dream Theater Fanclub
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 03:06:32 +0100 (MEZ) From: sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch) To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam - the Dream Theater mailing list) Subject: snare sound (again!) Message-ID: <9702060206.AA96114@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>
Hi!
Jeremy Kube wrote: >the snare drum at all. Maybe it was because Mike was still learning how to >get the right sound out of the snare drum. Or maybe he had uneven sounding >hits. later, j
Of course it sounds like shit. Mike was forced to use triggered snare drums by David Prater, he wasn't learning anymore. Or do you hear badly played drums on WDADU?
Steffen
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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 21:20:45 -0500 From: "Robert Quezada" <rquezada@monmouth.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: PMU-ending, personnel changes, overdubs Message-ID: <199702060222.VAA16963@shell.monmouth.com>
> Label problems > > James once said that Derek Oliver were "their father", because he signed DT > back then. Oliver is gone and maybe the label support with him... Well, > if the label has no interest in getting the band in the studio, that is one > problem. But why the hell doesn't the manangement something? Like pushing > EastWest to get the band recording. Or any other label, if EW really lost > all interest in DT. > > Ok, I don't know what's going on there, but anyway: Wake Up, Rob Shore and > company! Do something! At least do more than now ;-) This reminds me of when ACOS wasn't going to come out. Why don't we do another mass e-mail compaign?
rq
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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 21:32:27 -0500 (EST) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: anyone watching PBS at about 8 PM last night?? Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970205212656.1697D-100000@pacman.rs.itd.umich.edu>
i DID hear Savatage wafting through the halls of the Michigan league an hous ago, one of the piano interludes off of Edge of Thorns.....it stopped, and just then i reached the lounge area where an old guy was changing the channel on the TV set.....caught a glimpse of a mountain scene, and then he changed back to the mountain, but there was different music going, and the PBS logo came up.....
sooooo, did anyone else catch savatage on pbs, or was the music from a different source (like the janitor's cassette player) (there was no janitor around, btw)
one more thing.....there was this 70s station in detroit, played enough styx, queen, police to keep me checking every once in a while.....so i turn to it, and "damn, i know fade to black is an older song, but i don't think it was made in the 70s".....i shore wish radio stations would advertise format changes a bit better.....
partha
p.s.: gotta choose between "i think i'm going bald" and "i'm going slightly mad"....which one do ya take?? me, I'll go with queen on the music, and rush for the psychological implications....
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Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 21:36:36 -0600 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: "tell me i'm mad, how should i know?" Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970206033636.00706a34@mail.inlink.com>
> >p.s.: gotta choose between "i think i'm going bald" and "i'm going >slightly mad"....which one do ya take??
easy.. i'm already mad for the most part, might as well take the go slightly mad and finish it off :)
GAKAMOOBWACA!!!!! ~Rip
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Date: Wed, 05 Feb 97 21:49:16 -0500 From: Jan-Michael Souter <jmichael@airmail.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fix Message-ID: <m0vsKtU-000EjiE@mail.airmail.net>
You'll need to look on the Usenet newsgroups. There is talk over there about the fix show(s). Good luck.
> >From: Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org> >Subject: TON mailing list, Poughkeepsie fix show > >Anyway, a little birdie told me (who doesn't have much time to read jams anymore) > that there are Fix for 96 bootlegs circulating. If anyone has the Poughkeepsie > show, I NEED IT!!!! I NEED MY FIX DAMMIT!!!
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