YTSEJAM Digest 2250
Today's Topics:
1) too much material?
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
2) Prog of '97
by "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi>
3) Re: New Sound
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
4) East/West email campaign
by Anthony G LaSorsa <agls@christa.unh.edu>
5) East West mass email.
by Anthony G LaSorsa <agls@christa.unh.edu>
6) Re: Voices
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
7) Mucous
by Graham Borland <graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk>
8) Re: Mucous
by as459@ctcdbs.ctc.cummins.com (A G Stiles)
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2249
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
10) Singing stuff
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
11) Re: Mucous
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
12) Gary Hoey/Ron Thal/Greg Howe
by Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
13) Pull Me Under Abbey Road
by "Larry Odneal" <hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com>
14) AlternicA...
by GlassMoon <ep180@city.ac.uk>
15) CD Treasures
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
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Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 13:45:23 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: too much material?
Message-ID: <32F9E073.6F59@mailstorm.dot.gov>
Here's a suggestion :)
Instead of double/triple CD, just have the material available instantly
on the net (say, via realaudio). From the sound-board to the sound-card.
Screw the fookin' CD :)
Jon
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Date: 6 Feb 97 15:51:00 +0200
From: "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Prog of '97
Message-ID: <9702061551.aa00@tppalv2.metsaserla.fi>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids....
Now that a few persons are compiling a list of prog/metal albums that
are going to be released shortly, it strikes me as peculiar that no one
has mentioned either Clockwork's debut EP (afaik, self-financed) or Psyco
Drama's "Bend" (Massacre Records).
Is anyone aware if there will be new albums by Shadow Gallery or Kamelot
this year?
_Mape_
Cool song of the day: Rainbow -"Wolf to the Moon"
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:00:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: New Sound
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970206085830.5536A-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
OK. I loved I&W. Not just liked, *LOVED*. I really *liked* awake. I
love when KJLB sings with a high clear voice. I don't want a new albom
just like I&W, but maybe a combination of all of them. I don't know, I'm
that kind of a sappy guy. And I think JP's guitar work was better on I&W
for the most part. Just an opinion. Be well.
Matt B
====================
"You are all weirdos. Hmph." (Sam the Eagle, The
Great Muppet Movie)
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:47:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Anthony G LaSorsa <agls@christa.unh.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: East/West email campaign
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91a.970206094417.24261A-100000@christa.unh.edu>
We've all established that EW is stupid not to get DT's new one out on
the shelves. If you guys on the jam got ACoS to happen, why don't we all
do it again. I wasn't on the jam at the time of ACoS, but let's do it.
Get everyone you know to email EW. Even if they don't know DT or like
them. Let's create this hype. The only thing I need is the email
address for EW records. Does anybody know?
Tony
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:08:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Anthony G LaSorsa <agls@christa.unh.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: East West mass email.
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91a.970206100441.7142A-100000@christa.unh.edu>
Okay, I went to Elekra's homepage and I sent them email via their site.
You can email them at: elektra.com or eegmail@aol.com
The first one means that you have to be in their homepage and the second
is the standard email. Let's go! I've already sent like 5 or 6 in the
past ten minutes.
"Release the hounds!!!!!!!" -J.Seinfeld
Tony
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:30:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Voices
Message-ID: <199702061532.HAA29501@pawn.ax.com>
>
> > When my voice is feeling particularly like shit, what I do is drink
> > some variety of tea product. I assume real (hot) tea, with lemon and/or
> > honey, would be best, but Snapple seems to do ok for me.
>
> I prefer Fruitopia to Snapple, mainly because the Snapple drinks tend to
> feel more acidic. They bite you, man, like Love.
>
Actually, I prefer Gatorade (lemon-lime - the clear one, or
the citrus cooler one).
By all means, do not use any of the blueberry drinks...not
only does it taste bad, but when you go for that *one* note
or scream or what have you, it's pretty embarrassing for the
crowd to see a blue mouth and tongue..... little unknown
facts that can truly be the difference between getting signed
and being ignored.....
> improve your voice. Water dilutes mucous, drink a lot of it and your
> singing voice will be happy.
Water is definitely another good one - most singers use it -
nice and natural, etc.,etc., Mr. LaBrie prefers Evian, I like
Naya, but dammit it's WATER!!!!! do NOT use Hoboken water,
your teeth will fall out during the performance - what a pain in
the ass THAT is....
Al Balkiewicz
vocals, Half Naked
-- @#%^$#%^#$&#%%$&#$%^#$%^#$%&#$%^&#$%^&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%^&%$ | | | I wasn't born with enough middle fingers.... | | | #$%^#%&#%^$*%&*^&*%&(%^&(%^&*(%^&*(*%^&*$^&*#^%&#^*$%^&*#%^&*#$%& | Al Balkiewicz SEND MAIL HERE -->balkiewi @ njmsa.umdnj.edu | | OR HERE! --->DA_PROF @ BIGFOOT.COM | %@#$^@#$^@^%%$&#$&^*$%&*$&*$%^$&$%^&$%^*$^%&*$%^&*$%^*$%^&%$^&%$%------------------------------
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:31:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Graham Borland <graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk> To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Mucous Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.93.970206163102.3804A-100000@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk>
Why don't Americans spell mucous "mucos"?
Graham B. _______________________________________________ | o o | | Graham Borland |:: | graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk |:: | http://grelb.src.gla.ac.uk:8000/~graham |:: |_______________________________________________|:: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:41:04 -0500 From: as459@ctcdbs.ctc.cummins.com (A G Stiles) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Mucous Message-ID: <199702061641.LAA13858@wks1-70.cummins.com>
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:42:57 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2249 Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970206095721.7005D-100000@enteract.com>
> I think that if DT has 3 CD's worth of music, they should take > the 60-70mins that sound most like I&W's and just put that on > 1 CD. I don't need 2 other CD's full of White Zombie Theater > (refering to some of the new stuff heard at Birch Hell).
Yeah, and while we're at it, let's bring hairspray and choreographed kicking back into mainstream music. If you don't dig the music, that's cool. Don't buy it. But don't ask a progressive band to stay the same. That, my friend is a no-no. :)
> I went to "Jukebox Billiards", a local pool hall...and lo, & behold, in the > jukebox was a Dream Theater album that had been put in because of several of > us jammers demanded it. The word is spreading, my friends.
If you're feeling generous, you can do what my buddy did. We were spending so much time at this pool hall (Rack Em' Up Billiards in Alsip or Crestwood IL...) that he bought them a copy of Awake for their jukebox. It got such heavy play that it's now skipping. ;)
> I _do_ want to reiterate that I'm more than willing to produce > their album myself if they'll fly me on out to NYC. :) Granted, my > experience is pretty limited, but hey, the job will get done. If there's > one thing my CD projects prove, it's that I can focus and finish what I > start. But enough about me. Portnoy co-produced Working Man, so he's a > candidate as well.
Ah what a world it would be if we could produce DT's album for them. Unfortunately, producing a cd is a lot harder than pressing them (which I understand from your posts is a monster of a task in and of itself.... I never knew you could screw up burning a cd... but I've never burnt a cd!) and it's something most producers go through years of school for. As the recording artist, it's a little easier, because you know what you want to bring out in your playing, but for one of us, with the little experience that we have, to try and produce DT's new album would be disastrous (<sp?>). I don't think even Portnoy would want to take control of that task by himself. There's a definate "extra member of the band" quality that a producer can bring into a recording, that can really help a song reach its potential. I mean, without the production being what it was, Ozzy's No More Tears wouldn't give you chills every time you hear it!
> From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Voices
> I prefer Fruitopia to Snapple, mainly because the Snapple drinks tend to > feel more acidic. They bite you, man, like Love.
This is weird. The best vocal drink I've ever found was Very Fine Fruit Punch. Get a bottle and tell me I'm wrong. :) But more importantly, this is the first post of considerable size I have EVER seen on ANYTHING that's focused on Milk and Mucus. I don't know whether to congratulate you or to pummel you! Look at this... Dream Theater has been dormant for so long that we're talking MUCUS on the Ytsejam! Lord have Mercy!
> spirally cool album. I'm not going to conform to 1997 and substitute the > word "tasteful" for "dull," but there are no extremes on this album, which > is strange considering the virtuosity of Gary Hoey. This me no like. Aside
Well, I for one have never considered Hoey to be a Virtuoso in any sense. He's got a good feel and he can play well, but his technique and musical vocabulary (what I've heard of it) is not awe inspiring. He has some great songs... and some that bite. Now, when I'm looking for shred, I know to look elsewhere than Hoey, but I listen to a lot of players that don't shred... and Hoey hasn't made an impact that's made me consider buying his new album. He's someone else's guitar god, not mine. Am I the only one on the list that's bought Ron Thal's new album?!?!? Someone BUY THIS ALBUM and BACK ME UP! Ron Thal "Hermit" on Shrapnel is the best music I've heard all year! (all 1 month of it)
Bafu: What are you doing buying Bug Alley when we've agreed that there are TONS of cds that you have not as of yet heard! Break out that xtra slim wallet of yours and start scraping together some cash!
- Chris Ptacek - The Lord of the Frogs - tibbir - kaorc - "There are some colors that can't be described in black and white"
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 12:11:58 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Singing stuff Message-ID: <199702061711.MAA25125@rpc42.gl.umbc.edu>
Bafu, you are too funny.
> Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 02:41:54 -0800 (PST) > From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> > To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> > Subject: Voices > Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.970206024128.27706E-100000@dante21.u.washington.edu> > > > When my voice is feeling particularly like shit, what I do is drink > > some variety of tea product. I assume real (hot) tea, with lemon and/or > > honey, would be best, but Snapple seems to do ok for me. > > I prefer Fruitopia to Snapple, mainly because the Snapple drinks tend to > feel more acidic. They bite you, man, like Love.
Actually, hot tea IS good for the voice, but only if you are not singing immedeately. Anything you put in your throat while singing should be room temperature.
> > > Also, avoid all dairy products as much as you can. It stuffs up your > > sinuses and then you have all that frothy sputnum to deal with. > > I've heard from many vocally "educated" people that (don't laugh, this is > a widely-held belief) milk "generates mucous" and thus is bad for singers > who want clear throats and wide-open sinuses.
Yes, this is true.
> singing voice will be happy. And here I feel like I've stumbled onto the > Battle Beasts discussion again. "WATER! WATER CUTS MUCOUS!" "MILK! MILK > CLOUDS WATER!"
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA! Yes!
> > Finally, warm up a *lot* before you attempt to sing for real. Sit down > > with the piano/guitar/whatever and do a couple of scales. Start at the > > low end of your range and work to a little above the middle.
Well, not necessarily. James says he warms up for 40 min before each show. Wow. Many singers would be worn out. Warm up until you feel warmed up. Do your scales, yes. Warm up to whatever are the highest and lowest notes you are required to sing that evening. Then work on the difficult passages for a while.
> Push-ups. Lots of 'em. On your knuckles. While underneath a car. With an > angry, thrashing alligator beneath you.
Woo hoo!
> On "Live In Tokyo," during the part where Mike Portnoy is introducing a > drummer he idolizes (I forget his name), you can hear LaBrie doing a > whole-tone warmup in the background.
This is my favorite part of the video.
<incedentally, Alan White>
> I usually crank up the Chopin. Talk about speed and range, you scream > along with some this "etudes" stuff and Dream Theater becomes child's > play. And if that doesn't work there's always Lita Ford to build your > baritone thunder.
Ironically enough, most rock singers are NOT tenors <James and Steve Perry excluded>; they are mostly screaming baritones.
> > Then, eventually work it up to concert volume. > > That means sing so loudly that you don't need a microphone. Gary Cherone > is good at this.
Seriously.
> > Oh, and one final non-scientific note. I love DayQuil. It does > > wonders for me. Clears me up in like 5 minutes. Two of those happy > > little caplets and I'm Pavarotti.
Avoid antihistamines like the plague! They dry you right out!
> Pavarotti singing through a waterfall. CIGARETTES, CHRIS, THEY EAT VOCAL > CORDS LIKE MAGGOTS ON A DEAD CARIBOU.
Yes, not smoking is the MOST important thing to a singer.
> There's always gum. Someone once told me that chewing gum is "uncouth and > unethical," but the chewing motion massages and warms the muscles in the > face, to the point where the sinuses are opened and ready for action. Too > bad Trident generates mucous. Well not really, but it's fun to think that > way.
Ever watch the Three Tenors? Pavarotti is ALWAYS chewing gum. The chewing introduces saliva into the mouth to aid in pre-intestinal digestion, but if it keeps you moist go for it. Avoid gum with too much sugar because this can actually irritate the throat. Many sports and health stores will have types of gum that produce more water. These have helped me in the past.
Steve Z
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 12:39:44 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Mucous Message-ID: <199702061742.JAA01412@pawn.ax.com>
> > Why don't Americans spell mucous "mucos"? >
A lot of times its just "mucus" - what I've learned is the following concerning American English - "don't ask why - just deal..."
Gallagher used to have a bit concerning the different spellings of things, e.g., "though" is pronounced "thoe" but "through" is pronounced "throo" and "trough" is pronounced "trawf".....he made it funny though.....
Hey, maybe if we continue with these NDTC, thoughtless discussions, we can frustrate the lurkers from DT, i.e., Mr. Portnoy, to become so fed up that they HAVE to release something new....... just a thought...
- Al
-- @#%^$#%^#$&#%%$&#$%^#$%^#$%&#$%^&#$%^&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%^&%$ | | | I wasn't born with enough middle fingers.... | | | #$%^#%&#%^$*%&*^&*%&(%^&(%^&*(%^&*(*%^&*$^&*#^%&#^*$%^&*#%^&*#$%& | Al Balkiewicz SEND MAIL HERE -->balkiewi @ njmsa.umdnj.edu | | OR HERE! --->DA_PROF @ BIGFOOT.COM | %@#$^@#$^@^%%$&#$&^*$%&*$&*$%^$&$%^&$%^*$^%&*$%^&*$%^*$%^&%$^&%$%
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Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 13:17:05 +0000 From: Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Gary Hoey/Ron Thal/Greg Howe Message-ID: <B0000031786@chicago.orlinter.com>
At 08:52 AM 2/6/97 -0800, you wrote: >Bafu wrote: >> spirally cool album. I'm not going to conform to 1997 and substitute the >> word "tasteful" for "dull," but there are no extremes on this album, which >> is strange considering the virtuosity of Gary Hoey. This me no like. Aside
I got Bug Alley and I agree with you. They are definately some cool songs on it, but nothing that tops anything from _Animal Instinct_ or the _Endless Summer_ soundtrack. Hoey has a talent of taking an old song and making it sound fresh and exciting like taking Focus' "Hocus Pocus" and making it rock and substituting the yodeling with guitar. "Low Rider" was another good remake. I think that Bug Alley would make good background music...something that you play while doing something like cleaning your room.
Chris wrote: > Well, I for one have never considered Hoey to be a Virtuoso in any >sense. He's got a good feel and he can play well, but his technique and >musical vocabulary (what I've heard of it) is not awe inspiring. He has >some great songs... and some that bite. Now, when I'm looking for shred, >I know to look elsewhere than Hoey, but I listen to a lot of players that >don't shred... and Hoey hasn't made an impact that's made me consider >buying his new album. He's someone else's guitar god, not mine. > Am I the only one on the list that's bought Ron Thal's new >album?!?!? Someone BUY THIS ALBUM and BACK ME UP! Ron Thal "Hermit" on >Shrapnel is the best music I've heard all year! (all 1 month of it)
Hey, I borrowed the first album from someone and liked a few songs on it. I didn't get a good listen of it, but the song "Ick" was really a really cool flamenco song. I also like the second song. What is the album like? Does he still do the zany crazy stuff or is he more song oriented?
Also, check out Greg Howe's latest _Five_. The first song just rules. Greg Howe has some really off-kilter rhythms. Overall, a good CD, just that I prefer his last two more.
BTW, Chris could you make your subject header more descriptive next time. I don't read a lot of the jam, and just scan for the subject headers. I just happened to read this one, and noticed Ron Thal. This goes for other jammers too. Some people don't have the time to wade through all the messages.
Walter.
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:29:00 -0500 From: "Larry Odneal" <hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Pull Me Under Abbey Road Message-ID: <199702061826.MAA24949@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com>
> Everyone's talking about the ending to PMU, and it seems like at least some > don't like the way the song ends in the studio - they prefer the way it is > live. I personally feel the opposite about it - first of all how much more of > an abrupt ending can you get than the way it ends on I&W? It certainly isn't > as abrupt on LatM.
I agree - I like the studio version better. I thought it was a fact that they did this"on purpose" in the studio, and my opinion is that the Beatles' "She's So Heavy" was an influence. After all, it's from the album that MP , er, _emulated_ on Live in Tokyo. > I went to "Jukebox Billiards", a local pool hall...and lo, & behold, in the > jukebox was a Dream Theater album that had been put in because of several of > us jammers demanded it. The word is spreading, my friends. > Much love, > Mari
Hmmmm - I went looking for this local pool hall, but I guess "local" to you isn't Bumfu . . . uh, I mean Oak Ridge, TN. Saw lots of Hank Williams, Jr, though. (The South sux, IMHO)
> As if disclaimers, apologies, or grovelling have ever stopped someone from > being flamed into oblivion. You got THAT right!
> Too bad Trident generates mucous. Well not really, but it's fun to think that way.
Well, I tried thinking that way for a few minutes, and got a headache. It really wasn't *fun* at all. Bafu Vai, you mislead me. Again. AND FOR THAT YOU WILL BURN IN ETERNAL HELLFIRE!
> "Desire" (the radio release based on a piece by Bach) will drill into your > brain like a wandering Q-tip after you've had too much coffee.
OK, you definitely didn't find that metaphor in your Thesaurus! What is your secret, man? Brains or something?
> The main melody is like the Energizer Bunny!
Speaking of . . . What happens if you put in the Energizer Bunny's batteries BACKWARDS?
He keeps coming, and coming, and coming . . .
> Half of the song is that one riff! > You'll be humming it within minutes! Within seconds! Uncontrollably! Worse > than "It's A Small World!" It will drive you into a state of total panic! > And generate mucous!
Maybe so, BUT - Fourth Estate did it first - same tune, done extremely well, on their "Finesse & Fury" album.
Joke of the day - Stop me if you've heard this one -
Q. Who was the first computer expert?
A. Eve - she had an Apple in one hand and a Wang in the other.
Sorry . . .
Larry
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 18:36:49 +0000 (GMT) From: GlassMoon <ep180@city.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: AlternicA... Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.970206183210.28021E-100000@paddington>
Sorry to clutter the jam with this everyone, but I thought this site needs to be advertised a bit!!!! (current metallica fans may want to ignore it)
http://members.aol.com/alternica/index.html
As for phoneing east n'west to bitch at them for not having done anything towards DT releasing their next album, I'm in for it! but maybe we should make sure that we don't do harm instead! And nevermind about a 2cd/3cd/10cd album, I'll be pretty happy with a 5 song ep at this stage!!! it's been TOO long!
Achilles \\ "You turned me round to face myself, // Metalhead and \\ made me trust in what I am" // Dream Theater fan \\ Rage - All this time //
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Date: Thu, 06 Feb 97 11:31:08 PST8 From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: CD Treasures Message-ID: <9701068552.AA855254393@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
Has anybody ever dealt with them? They have some good stuff and what seems resonable prices. They don't seem to be online much (just an AOL account), but they have been sending me flyers of their catalog... THX
~Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ) Email: mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com / mkizer@goodnet.com / fugazi@weirdness.com URL: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer Dream Theater Song Book -^- Fates Warning Island in the Stream
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