YTSEJAM Digest 2255
Today's Topics:
1) Type O (DUCK!)
by Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
2) american
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
3) Re: William's Opinions
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
4) arrgh....
by Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
5) NEW MATERIAL
by Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
6) My horror story!!!!
by Hector Crisantes <snyfarms@gateway.dakotacom.net>
7) Bogus Nothings
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
8) You're being a dick.
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
9) psychology of music (NDTC)
by Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
10) new material and cool post wars
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2253
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
12) Re: You're being a dick.
by "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
13) Help! Need Metallica Bootleg!
by MTeiper@aol.com
14) Speaking of Vocal Subjects...MDTC (Marginal...)
by "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
15) MY letter to BEastWest (fwd)
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2253
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
17) Dead Winter Dead
by rsjm@thezone.net (Jeff Taylor)
18) hello
by kurt@fgallery.com
19) Re: YTSEJAM stuff, picky stuff, etc.
by Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com>
20) Flemming Rasmussen as producer
by "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
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Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 17:19:47 -0800
From: Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Type O (DUCK!)
Message-ID: <32FBD4B3.20E0@dreamt.org>
Sorry to bring TON back up on the jam, but I have no where else to go. If
anyone has October Rust and a program to make sound files, I need a wav
of the part on "Be My Druidess" that says "I'll do anything to make you
come". I'l make it myself but I can only make wavs off CD and I only have
OR on tape. thanks
========================================================================
"Are you gonna bark all day, little -----
doggie, or are you gonna ---- ------------- ----
bite?"-Micheal Madsen, ---- - ----
Reservoir Dogs -- - - - - - - - --
"Just victims of the in-house - - - - - - -
drive-by. They say jump, - - -- - -- - -
you say 'How high?"-Rage -- - - - - - - - --
Against The Machine ---- - - - ----
later--------------Brian ---- ------------- ----
-----
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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 01:15:34 +0200
From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: american
Message-ID: <199702072315.BAA23655@pepe.online.ee>
>>for the greater good! Do it for yourselves! Do it for the fans! DO
>>IT FOR AMERICA AND THE WHOLE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE!!! Dream Theater
>>fans must have
grrrrrrrrr......
R.
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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 19:02:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: William's Opinions
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970207185712.29919A-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
For the most part, I agree with this guy. I&W is a lot smoother to me as
well. This is one of my gripes about Power of Omens (hi Dave.) They are
awsome musicians, but the transitions happen very abruptly and frequently.
I think certain time should be spent on a certain riff or groove. I mean,
anyway, how are you gonna keep coming up with new material if all of it
goes into 30-second segments of one song? I do enjoy awake, mainly Silent
Man, SDV, IF, and Erotomania, but the quality has gone down a bit. If you
listen to the rhythm guitar, there ar a lot more one note type rifs, that
is, no chordal stuff like I&W. I like the more Rush-influenced stuff.
Despite all this, though, William, isn't 15% of a Jam a little much? Just
chastizing gently, not flaming. Be well.
Anxiously awaiting,
Matt B
====================
"You are all weirdos. Hmph." (Sam the Eagle, The
Great Muppet Movie)
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Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 20:18:06 -0800
From: Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: arrgh....
Message-ID: <32FBFE7E.4DF9@dreamt.org>
To anyone who I have been in contact with...
My isp's mail is screwed up so any mail sent to me or any of my aliases,
including my dreamt.org account, will be bounced back. Sorry for the
inconvenince. I'll let you know when the mail is back up
========================================================================
"Are you gonna bark all day, little -----
doggie, or are you gonna ---- ------------- ----
bite?"-Micheal Madsen, ---- - ----
Reservoir Dogs -- - - - - - - - --
"Just victims of the in-house - - - - - - -
drive-by. They say jump, - - -- - -- - -
you say 'How high?"-Rage -- - - - - - - - --
Against The Machine ---- - - - ----
later--------------Brian ---- ------------- ----
-----
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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 20:25:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NEW MATERIAL
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970207202523.30844A-100000@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
Does anyone know of a website where I can download any new material???
Thanks
Dan
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Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 20:21:45 -0800
From: Hector Crisantes <snyfarms@gateway.dakotacom.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: My horror story!!!!
Message-ID: <32FBFF59.20C3@pop.dakotacom.net>
I Broke My AWAKE CD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:16:39 -0600
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bogus Nothings
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970208051639.00709f00@enteract.com>
> From: "Elv" <cyclone@securenet.net>
> Subject: VAUXDVIHL
ARGH! I've been looking EVERYWHERE for this band's albums! :)
Maybe I can help them with an internet account... if they have a
computer...
> I say, let it rest on the band's head!!!
> They get the record out soon, or I can't be responsible for
> what happens to their careers!!!
> There! I've said it!
> Let the fire and brimstone fall where they may. ;)
*And the crowd goes wild* Rick! Rick! Rick! Rick!!!
> No, It takes three gerbils an hour of work each just to send an e-mail.
> :) Now, let's be serious. As we all know already (from my constant
> bitching and whining), Vermont is a cultural black hole.
I'd liken it to the "Armpit of the Universe"
> But, anyway, it's tough to find anything in Vermont that's not made in
> Vermont.
What DO they make in Vermont? (To satisfy the people who bitch
about NDTC--) Do they make DT Merchandise? ( :PpPpPPPp )
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener
A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come
from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG.
They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground
on which idea seeds fall."
- Michael Hedges
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Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:46:15 -0600
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: You're being a dick.
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970208054615.00737fb8@enteract.com>
From: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
You're being a dick.
Anyone wanting the reasons why, e mail me and I'll send you what I
send this guy privately.
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener
A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come
from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG.
They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground
on which idea seeds fall."
- Michael Hedges
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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 01:15:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: psychology of music (NDTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970208011106.68A-100000@umbc9.umbc.edu>
Heya folks-
I am in this class at school called "research methods in psychology."
The course requires a major research paper on a topic that interests me. I
was thinking about doing something relating to music since I love music so
damn much.
One possible idea is the effects of certain kinds of music on people and
possible physiological reactions to the music. Then there's a topic of the
effect of music while studying. If anybody has any other ideas that
they think would work, please email me as I have to come up with a topic
within a week. Thanks a lot.
Brandon
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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 00:14:23 -0600
From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: new material and cool post wars
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970208061423.00735ee4@mail.inlink.com>
after williams post full of "you're missing my point"s after every line, he
concluded with
>
>i don't doubt that... I just really hope that that step further away
>from I&W is stylistic, and not in quality.
they're not going back to I&W anywhere i can see, its covered ground, its
why skid row doesnt make albums full of high vocals and love songs, they rip
your balls off now, dt is growing and evolving, i&w was a half a decade ago,
i cant wait for the new album. i dont really enjoy comparing music, and
overanalyzing, i just throw it on and look for whats good in it, theres
usually quite a bit, especially in DT.. theres no judge of quality. there
is no quality. no syle, no rules; only interpretation.
i also add the possibility that a point missed in every instance is a point
not well displayed. jam on :)
~Rip
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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 01:21:36 -0500 (EST)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2253
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.970208011605.49634A-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Fri, 7 Feb 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> Anyone remember a band from the late 80's called Vain ?
Of course.
> I was just listening to them and noticed the record
> was produced (and engineered + mixed)by Paul..
> Funny..DT is something WAY different than these
> guys..
Well, David Prater (I&W & ACOS) also did the most recent Night Ranger album,
the one without Jack Blades (although now he's rejoined them). So DT
doesn't have to stick with prog producers.It's not a bad album either. And
yes, the drums are triggered on it.
Richie
Personally, I'd love to see Michael Wagner do the album.
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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 01:21:05 -0500
From: "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: You're being a dick.
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970208062105.00686e78@pop.pipeline.com>
At 09:55 PM 2/7/97 -0800, you wrote:
>From: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
>To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
>
> You're being a dick.
>
> Anyone wanting the reasons why, e mail me and I'll send you what I
>send this guy privately.
>
>
> Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener
> A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
Can't we all just be dicks together? I suggest you amend the .sig
to "Musician, Listener, and Dick"
Wait - *I* have now fallen prey to the incredible catching, spreading,
and contagious dick disease! No, not *that* dick disease. Sheesh.
Repeat after me, "Dick Dick Dick." Soon it will just be another syllable
cluttering up the landscape of your lexicon. See, Catholic girls, dicks
aren't so bad, after all.
I must be in the mood to offend.
Dick! /me stares into the reflective glare of his computer screen, and sees...
a giant one-eyed....DICK!!! Help!! Free Clinc!!! Whatever. Real post to follow.
Kevin
GO WINGS!!!
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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 01:34:19 -0500 (EST)
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Help! Need Metallica Bootleg!
Message-ID: <970207205935_1015114960@emout03.mail.aol.com>
Hey Jammerz -
While we all sit and stew about the continued absence of a new Dream
Theater disc, I was hoping one of you could help me out. I apologize that
this does not deal with Dream Theater, but I am DESPERATELY searching for
Cliff Burton's last Metallica gig from Stockholm on CD (the entire 90 minute
show, preferably). I can't remember exactly the date of the gig, but it was
on the "Master Of Puppets" tour, and it was his final gig before his tragic
death. I have the show on tape, and I think it was taken from a vinyl
source, but I need it on CD. The show was KILLER! Anyway, sorry for wasting
DT space, but if anyone can help, or knows somebody that can help, please
E-Mail me privately with prices or details. Thanx, Jammerz! Rock on...
- Matt T.
***** My love for you like ticking clock, BERZERKER!!!! *****
- "Clerks" :)
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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 01:35:16 -0500
From: "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Speaking of Vocal Subjects...MDTC (Marginal...)
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970208063516.006896a8@pop.pipeline.com>
Today I was listening to a Queensryche boot of the PL tour,
and I was struck by how much Geoff Tate's voice had declined
over the years. This was made especially clear because also on
this tape was included (thanks, Chuck) some material from the Warning
tour (or pre tour - he mentions "forthcoming lp") and while the sound
quality of the latter boot paled in comparison to the former, Tate's voice
was hitting all the highs. I actually booed at the cassette deck in my car
when he (on the PL tape) copped out of the "Take Hold of the Flame"
screech and left it alone. My belabored (or belaboured) point of this is a
simple question: Why does the range of the rock vocalist (I also submit
Bruce Dickinson - listen to boots from 80-83) decline so with age? I understand
it could be a combination of factors which have been mentioned in the past
such as overuse (Bruce sang about 400 dates on the World Slavery Tour),
bad habits, and the challenge of performing in front of amplified musicians, but
I wonder if it could also be genetics. I notice Pavorotti has lost some range,
but he is WAY out of shape, and damn old. Apples and Oranges, most likely.
To link this to the marginal DTC I advertised, I wonder whether this same
phenomenon will befall James LB. It may be too soon to tell, but he is
near the age of Tate and Dickinson, though I doubt he has performed the
sheer number of dates they have. I also wonder why the vocalist can't
be "turned up" so to speak in order that he need not sing so loudly. Is it a
matter of hearing oneself in the mix? You can tell I am not a musician by
these layman-like questions and observations, but when some vocalists
decline, and others do not (Halford, for example), I, like the lyrics to an
obscure
Flotsam and Jetsam tune, wonder why I wonder why why why. Ok. Good night.
Let he who is not a dick cast the first....well, nevermind.
Kevin
GO WINGS!!!
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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 23:40:01 -0700
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: MY letter to BEastWest (fwd)
Message-ID: <199702080640.XAA36160@jamaica.u.arizona.edu>
Hey all,
Someone asked for a form letter, so I'm throwing mine out there on
the table too.
>Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 09:18:47
>To: eegmail@aol.com
>From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
>Subject: Fan request.
>
>To whom it may concern,
> Hello, my name is Vince, and I am a Dream Theater fan. As you
know, they have a whole slew of new material waiting to be released, and
your recording company has yet to land them in a studio to record their next
album.
> Do you realize what a cash cow you're missing here? With the
resurgence of bands like Van Halen, Metallica, Queensryche, Motley Crue,
Megadeth, etc. the genre of heavy metal is steadily gaining ground on
alternative pop music. Another big genre is that of progressive rock which
is spearheaded by bands such as Rush and Dream Theater. These bands have
sold millions upon millions of albums worldwide and they all keep their fans
in stitches waiting for new releases. Being as technically proficient as
they are, and now that their songs are getting heavier, Dream Theater could
very well be THE BAND that launches metal back into popular status. If you
don't put them in the studio soon, they're probably going to give up on your
company and take their music elsewhere. Can you imagine how stupid
East/West would look if Dream Theater went to another label and sold 10
million copies? People would say,"Well, how come they couldn't do this with
East/West Records? Same band. East West MUST be an inferior company."
> Do you really want people saying that. That could be the end of
your company. So many record labels have gone under as a result of this
type of mediocre thought. Please don't follow suit. Get Dream Theater in
the studio where they belong, immediately. This is a request of one of your
customers. Remember the first rule of good business. The customer is
*always* correct.
>
> Thank you for your time and consideration.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Vincent G. LuPone
> vgl@u.arizona.edu
> http://www.u.arizona.edu/~vgl
>
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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 08:28:01 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2253
Message-ID: <32FC7F61.749C@caribe.net>
Richard A. Rivera wrote:
>
> On Fri, 7 Feb 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
>
> >
>rs.It's not a bad album either. And
> yes, the drums are triggered on it.
>
> Richie
>
> Personally, I'd love to see Michael Wagner do the album.
hehe ...my choice would be.. (puts his flame resistant suit on) fleming
rassmusen (i think thats it the guy who produced and justice for
metallica) anyway..the guy who prodcued ajfa.. ive always imagined how
mike would sound with lar's drum sounds.which i always love cuz you can
get thewhole effect..very powerfull too... :)
Increasingly the mathematics will demand the courage
to face its implications-Ian Malcolm
mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 09:32:11 -0400
From: rsjm@thezone.net (Jeff Taylor)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dead Winter Dead
Message-ID: <199702081330.KAA19216@terra.nlnet.nf.ca>
Hey all! Long time since I've posted on this list, but I just wanted to put
in a good word or 2 for this album. I just got it a couple of days ago, and I
think I've listened to it about a zillion times already. This album is simply
*incredible*! The instrumentals (Mozart & Madness, Christmas Eve) kick some
major ass, and the little "Ode To Joy" piece, Memory, is just *too* cool! The
end of Not What You See, with all the layered vocals, sends chills up my spine
everytime I hear it. It's one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard!
I remember around Christmas, someone on the list said that you should only
get DWD if you're really into classical music. I would have to disagree with
this statement. While I don't hate classical (my dad listens to a lot of Mozart
and Beethoven), it's not exactly the type of stuff I normally listen to, and
as I've already said, I love DWD. I think that most fans of DT's music would
really appreciate this album.
So in summary, if you don't already have this album, what the hell are you
waiting for man?! Go get it now! You won't be disappointed.
Later,
Jeff
"Here in this labyrinth of lost mystery
I close my eyes on this night
And you're all that I see."
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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 10:44:30 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: hello
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.17.2.8.10.44.30.2916992174.417391@ms.fgallery.com>
hello its me carlos alfaro..this is my other mail account.. well i was
wondering if this was discussed before..when awake came out.. does
anyone think that the ending of Inocence faded is very reminiscent to
dixie dregs?!?? ...man i bought 2 dreg records and after listennin to
them and then listening to IF i was like..whoa sh*t.. this songs endind
is pure dregs!
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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 09:01:01 -0600
From: Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM stuff, picky stuff, etc.
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970208150101.006a67ec@enteract.com>
>From: CORNHOLIO <dmilner@econ.vu.nl>
>But I agree there's a lot of DT-clones. I'm a fan of DT, but I don't
>even take the trouble listening when bands are compared to
>DT/Queensryche nowadays. Most bands just can't play this music in a
>natural way; they might try something else.
I can't help but AGREE with you... :) I was at Impulse a few weeks ago (yes,
same Impulse that does the mail order stuff) and they said "Here, you'll
like this, this is REALLY like old Queensryche stuff". And, yes, it was. A
little TOO much! They had "QR chords", "QR changes", and even a false Geoff
Tate! However, it just sounded TOO false...left a bad taste in my mouth... :P
(Which, of course, I will need some Veryfine Fruit Punch to rinse my mouth
out with... *grin*)
>From: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
>whew, man.
Whew, yourself! Do you have a personal vendetta against Chris because he
doesn't agree with you???
*Madelaine attacks Billy-boy with a nit comb...
Ooh! Look, everyone!! Gather round!! I found that William has CLAY FEET!!! Ooh!
Sorry, but I do get rather offended when people turn a rather interesting
debate to an attack on personal character. What you did was really uncalled for.
On the DTC homefront...
Do we have any game programmers out there?? Because we could all work
together and make a DT game, sort of like the Queensryche "Promised Land" CD
rom! :) Here, I've got Kai's Bryce to make neat Myst-esque landscapes...all
we need is to kidnap the band for a week and make live video clips to
embed... And then we could include the new album as Disc 2! Hmm.. "Dream
Theater: The Search for Reasonably-Priced Studio Time!"
*grin*
-Maddy
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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 10:29:23 -0500
From: "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Flemming Rasmussen as producer
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970208152923.0068e8b0@pop.pipeline.com>
Someone suggested this and actually thought he would have to don
a flame-proof suit for even the thought. Man, if you have ever listened
to Blind Guardian, for which he is the producer, at least lately, you
would see that your idea is quite a valid one. Sure, many have complained
about AJFA's "wide" bass tone, etc, but I think this would be a very
interesting, though unlikely, choice for producer. Listen to Imaginations
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