YTSEJAM Digest 2166
Today's Topics:
1) Dragon Attack (Queen Tribute)
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
2) annie haslam, bottom line, nyc
by WildKoba@aol.com
3) Tapestry ordering.....
by Aarre Numminen <aarre.n@swipnet.se>
4) Leviathan
by Aarre Numminen <aarre.n@swipnet.se>
5) Re: Macalpine; Metalica
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
6) An apology
by "Ken McWatters" <kmcwatters@hotmail.com>
7) Foreign DT lyrics
by "Kasper, Robert" <RKasper@aus.etn.com>
8) inferno/Badlands
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
9) Stratovarius/Amorphis/Waltari (NDTC)
by "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi>
10) Re:Queensryche Boot...yipes!
by Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com>
11) Inferno
by Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2165
by Matthew P Robbins <robbins@aero.und.edu>
13) Videos and Books of Dream Theater Guys
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
14) IME Recommendations
by Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
15) New buy
by vanzin@dks.com.br
16) Re: Dragon Attack (Queen Tribute)
by Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.or.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
17) Re: Foreign DT lyrics
by "Robert Quezada" <rquezada@monmouth.com>
18) Re: woot's post
by "Michael D. Stoner - FDC ~" <mdstoner@pcocd2.intel.com>
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Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 01:45:57 -0800
From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com
Subject: Dragon Attack (Queen Tribute)
Message-ID: <199701070945.BAA00163@ms.kallback.com>
I can't identify/remember who some of the vocalists are.
Who are these guys?:
Adam (no last name)
Paul Shortino
Mark Boals
John Bush
ps. Has anyone got Dregs of the Internet Cd? How is it?
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 05:00:00 -0500
From: WildKoba@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: annie haslam, bottom line, nyc
Message-ID: <970107045959_1459045978@emout02.mail.aol.com>
yo! check this out. renaissance fans may want to go see annie haslam live at
the bottom line, in nyc, saturday jan. 18th. 2 sets (7:30 and 10:30), and 21
and over only. if you're bored that night, it's well worth it. renaissance
was/is a verrrrrrrry obscure art rock band in the 70s that i think DEFINE art
rock. i've mentioned them before, but they are absolutely awesome, and
haslam's voice was a reason why. she has worked with other prog rockers, most
notably steve howe. damon- if you get this, this is the keys-friendly band
that will make you gasm repeatedly.
and rick terry- mad fat props for the info on the rick wright cd. i
understand manu katche (one of my favorite drummers) is on that cd, along
with sting's guitarist, dominic miller. look foward to finding it.
peace,
ytsegoon
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david kobayashi
wildkoba@aol.com
bd91014@binghamton.edu
rangers and knicks- GOON CENTRAL STATION! if they can't win, they'll beat the
shit out of you anyway. we want bob probert and dennis rodman, NOW!
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 12:14:18 +0100 (MET)
From: Aarre Numminen <aarre.n@swipnet.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tapestry ordering.....
Message-ID: <199701071114.MAA08702@gaia.swip.net>
Hi Mike!
My name is Mika Numminen, and I ordered one Tapestry and sent a check
for it (30$), and now that you won't do it, I'd rather have a copy of "When
Dream and Today unite" if that's possible...
The info in my letter with the check had my old email-adress
(te95mne@student.hgs.se), but this is my new one, hope that you have copies
left of the disc, please respond to me if any problems come up, at this
adress (aarre.n@swipnet.se), ok?
Cheers,
Mika Numminen
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:38:09 +0100 (MET)
From: Aarre Numminen <aarre.n@swipnet.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Leviathan
Message-ID: <199701071238.NAA07742@janus.swip.net>
FIrst post for the year, so have a good 97 everyone!
Subject of this post is a magnificent CD I bought just before christmas and
haven't stopped listening to since:
"Riddles, Questions, Poetry & Outrage" by Leviathan
not knowing much of this band I can't comment too much on them, but this is
a GREAT progressive metal band, and remind me a lot of the two latest Fate's
Warning studio releases (Parallels and Inside Out) with a little harder edge.
Great songs, good instrumentation (I love the keyboards) and a good singer.
The band seems to work a lot like FW too, John Lutzow (one of the
guitarists) write most of the songs, plays the keys and seems like being the
driving force behind the band... Enough rambling... :)
The CD is released by Century Media, (Nevermore etc.) and the prod. number
is 77143-2.
Mika Numminen
new email: aarre.n@swipnet.se
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 08:32:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Macalpine; Metalica
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970107082801.25753A-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
Hey all, I'm back. Macalpine? On tour? Again? Yes!!!!!!!!!
Please someone tell me about this. He's one of my absolute favorite
guitarists.
I saw Metalica on New Years Eve at the San Jose Arena in CA. I hate
to say it, but I was completely unimpressed with a band who I've been a
phan of for some time now. Their concert was just like every live CD you
hear with some new material. James even said almost the same things as he
says on the other CD's. Also, the stunt where they lit someone on fire,
had someone else fall from a ladder, and pretended to short out their
systems had me fooled. I think, now that I know, that that was one of the
most tasteless stunts ever pulled by a band in history. I even had floor
admission, so I was 35 feet from the stage at all times. Corn also
sucked. Disappointing.
I think I'll wait for the box set to come out to get any other CD's
of theirs. Be well and take care.
Matt B
"The dead are rarely violent." (Shawn Rosenheim, Asst. Prof. Williams College)
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Date: 7 Jan 1997 13:38:45 -0000
From: "Ken McWatters" <kmcwatters@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: stearns@bga.com
Subject: An apology
Message-ID: <19970107133845.4614.qmail@hotmail.com>
Everyone,
Let me make myself clear. I apologize for making a negative
comment about the suicide note. The reason I posted the comment in
the first place was because of a misunderstanding. The original
suicide message did not have the word ytsejam in it, not even in
the To: field. Thus, I assumed that the sender was spamming the
whole internet with it. After Erik posted a followup to the jam
though (I was behind in reading by about 4 jams), I realized that
my spamming assumption was wrong.
The point of my original post was, look, the sender is looking
for attention from the whole internet, and the date field indicates
the suicide message is a couple of weeks old anyway, so let's not
all get so excited about it. Again, this was based on an incorrect
assumuption on my part. I also admit that the way I put it was
rather insensitive.
To conclude, then, I realize that any suicide note should be
taken seriously. I'm sorry that my comment put this one in a
negative light.
Ken McWatters
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much clearer now/We live within a dream and never wake"
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 09:41:21 -0500
From: "Kasper, Robert" <RKasper@aus.etn.com>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Foreign DT lyrics
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_ATTMAIL%p=ETNWHQ%l=EXCHANGE-970107144121Z-1534@sentry.bev.etn.com>
Cliff Totten wrote:
>>Mystery lyrics.........?
>>1.) The very end of "Pull me under". ( just before the tape "supposedly"
>>stopped. )
>>2.) The words said (by someone) just before they take off into the
>>instrumental part of "Take the time" ( you know, Ba Da Da Da Da
>>Dum ......ah,.....You get the Idea.)
>>Are those words French?
Cliff, those words are English, very English actually. It's a line from
Shakespeare's Hamlet...
"Oh that this too, too solid flesh would melt..."
..it's my understanding that a good portion of that song is based upon
that famous play.
C'ya, wouldn't wanna b'ya!
Rob
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 09:41:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: inferno/Badlands
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970107093557.27352A-100000@bdmserver>
Greg wrote:
>Jay Peele used to hang here on the 'Jam...what is up with Inferno these
>days...I remember they were looking for a drummer...I hope a new vocalist
>was in the plans too!
I thought Jay Peele was the vocalist...
Ray Gillen: Someone wrote that Ray played for the other team. How do you
know this? Dont you know that you can get AIDS from other causes? Just
because you are not gay does not mean you will not get aids.
Other albums that Ray has sung on:
George Lynch's Sacred Groove: sings on one song
Ray also sang on a Sabbath album. Unfortunately that version of the
record was never released. They got someone else and redid the vocal
tracks. I wish I could remember the name of this album.
Sun Red Sun is available from Perris Records.
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Date: 7 Jan 97 17:21:58 +0200
From: "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Stratovarius/Amorphis/Waltari (NDTC)
Message-ID: <9701071721.aa58@tppalv2.metsaserla.fi>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids....
It seems the Finnish bands are getting some coverage around here. :) Now
that's what I call musical progression. :)
To the guy who asked which Stratovarius CD is better, "Episode" or "Fourth
Dimension" the answer would be without a doubt "Episode". "4D" is a good
disc, it has even some spectacular moments and the instrumental "Stratovarius"
shows what their guitarist Timo Tolkki is all about. But "Episode" probably
has five of the best ten songs Stratovarius has ever done. Besides, Jens
Johansson and Joerg Michael do not play on "4D" or any of the earlier Strato
discs. By the way (look ma, no acronyms!), Stratovarius is in the studio
right now, the new cd will be out sometime around early May. Timo Kotipelto
(their singer) wouldn't give the album title away just yet, but I'll keep
you posted.
Someone said that Waltari has female vocals. Not true. Their latest effort,
"Yeah! Yeah! Die! Die! - Death Metal Symphony in Deep C" (now there's an
album title that screams for an acronym!) has a female opera soprano as one
of the three lead vocalists, the other two being Amorphis' death metal
growler Tomi Koivusaari and Kartsy Hatakka, Waltari's own vocalist, who
absolutely defies any classification, he can sound like anything from
Madonna (yes he can!) to your run-of-the-mill black metal screamer...but
back to the point, no other Waltari production has any female vocals save
the Lapplander girls singing backing vox on their disc "So Fine!". If you're
into weirdo-metal (I don't dare call them progressive, or it just may be
that they're the most progressive band on this planet!), give them a listen.
If you think Mr. Bungle or Primus are strange, you ain't heard nuthin' yet!
I'm sure if Madonna would hear their death-techno cover of "Vogue", she'd sue
the hell out of them....
Chris Ptacek, you said that Amorphis sucks. Fine. I respect you opinion.
Now I'd like to know why do you think they suck. Is it the vox that turn
you away or what? You definitely should give them another chance, only this
time listen the growling vocalist like he was just an instrument supporting
the keyboards. That should give you a different aspect to their stuff. :)
Not that I'm politicking (is that a word) for Finnish metal or anything! :P
_Mape_
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Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 09:26:56 -0600
From: Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re:Queensryche Boot...yipes!
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970107152656.006a2b90@enteract.com>
>Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 09:19:33 GMT
>From: nigelb@powerup.com.au (Nigel Bridgeman)
>And I saw that Queensryche one again, "Acoustic Live & Other Rarities". I
>had a better look at it, and from memory it has the following:
>2 versions of "Stars", i think it was called. A Dio song, i think. One
>version was recorded for Hear N Aid (i think).
>A version of Silent Lucidity recorded with an orchestra.
>A demo version of Prophecy.
Yipes!! *I* want it!!! I have a boot called "Unplugged and Other Stories"
which has similar stuff... Tracks 1-5 are the MTV Unplugged tunes, 6-10 are
songs from the EP & Warning (and maybe one from Rage for Order, it's too
early to think straight). 6-9 were recorded live in NY, Oct. 1983, and 10
was from Tokyo, 1985...
And now, Nigel, it seems you've found a BETTER one! Eeep!!! Especially that
"stars" track. It is the one from Hear N Aid, and to get it, you have to
FIND Hear N Aid in the first place!! (my local import store has it, but it's
rather expensive...)
Sounds like a good find...now go get it before I hunt you down and buy it
myself!!! ;)
-Maddy
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Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 10:52:55 -0800
From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Inferno
Message-ID: <32D29B87.732C@umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
Someone asked about Inferno after picking up the Psychic Distance CD.
Jay Peele just moved and he is setting up a studio in the new house. He is
planning on doing some recording this winter with a couple of new members,
Gary is still doing the bass work. Jay was talking about changing the band
name but he really hasn't let me know one way or the other. He will let me
know, I run the official WWW page for Inferno. <grin>
http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html is the URL
For those who heard the Architect demo tape (which I like a lot better than
the CD) you will find that Jay's vocals are getting a whole lot better.
Architect was moving in more of a Rush/Peter Gabriel/Dream Theater kind of
direction, not as heavy, still very complex. If something comes up I'll let
you know, a lot of Jammers have the Inferno disk and may be interested.
Later,
Mike
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WWW Pages - Unsigned Bands: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html
WWW Pages - Inferno Page: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:15:19 -0600 (CST)
From: Matthew P Robbins <robbins@aero.und.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2165
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.90.970107100409.57338B-100000@heart.cas.und.nodak.edu>
This is a bit late, but I want to issue a BIG thanks to all the jammers
who responded to my request for band reviews. They were all very unbias
and throuogh. Thanks to all.
To the guy who said that, "Streets is the greatest album of all time
(fact)."
This statement is just as absurd as saying that a band simply "Sucks."
What FACTS do you have to support your claim? None, I suspect. Is Streets
the highest selling album of all time? Did it have the longest running #1
single ever? Does every Savatage fan believe it is their best album ever?
**I THINK NOT** Personally, I like Streets very much, but your claiming
your opinion to be fact is a sure sign of your closed mind. Go ahead,
flame me, but I know I'm not alone in my feelings here.
~Matt
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Date: Tue, 07 Jan 97 09:12:17 PST8
From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Videos and Books of Dream Theater Guys
Message-ID: <9700078526.AA852654055@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
I got this message today, for those of you who may be interested in
these videos...
~Mike
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We carry music instructional videos and book/cd's featuring Dream
Theater band members, some of which haven't even been released yet.
They are as follows:
Mike Portnoy:
"Drum Lessons with the Greats Vol. II" Book/CD (Released in '96 - also
includes Neil Peart (Rush), Tim "Herb" Alexander (Primus) & others)
"Progressive Drum Concepts" Video (BRAND NEW - not yet released)
John Petrucci:
"Rock Discipline" Video (Released in '96)
John Myung:
"Progressive Bass Concepts" Video (BRAND NEW - not yet released)
If you would like more info and maybe to post some info on your site,
feel free to email me back.
Thanks!
Regards,
Holly Melanson
104437.3567@compuserve.com
DCI Music Video
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:53:08 -0600
From: Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: IME Recommendations
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=GE%l=AMERIDATA/ADNC/000ED7D5@msb01ncadctmsge.ameridata.com>
I've seen many recommendations for IME (I Mother Earth) recently on the JAM. How do they compare with DT, i.e., style, etc.
Also, IME's *Scenery & Fish* has been given good reviews by fellow JAMers.
I've seen IME's *Dig* in many a bargin bin. Is it worth getting?? How does it compare w/ SAF
Thanks! Email direct if you wish.
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 15:00:42 -0300
From: vanzin@dks.com.br
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New buy
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.17.1.7.15.0.42.2579404677.514715@dks.com.br>
Hey jammerz,
First of all, sorry for no DTC.
I just bought a CD from a Brazilian band called Dr.Sin. I
consider them the best one that has appeared in our Heavy Metal scene
lately. Their guitarist is incredible (if you think Angra's Kiko is
good, you have to see this guy). I don't think their albuns have already
been released elsewhere, but I'll take a look.
For now, I think I'm gonna record one or two .RA's and DCC them
to the guys in the #ytsejam. Just ask me when I'm there.
[]'s
Marcelo Vanzin
Sao Paulo - Brazil
vanzin@dks.com.br vanzin@dreamt.org
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 02:16:31 +0900
From: Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.or.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Dragon Attack (Queen Tribute)
Message-ID: <199701071716.CAA28219@ma1.seikyou.or.jp>
At 2:15 AM 97.1.7 -0800, trevorw@ms.kallback.com wrote:
>I can't identify/remember who some of the vocalists are.
>Who are these guys?:
>Adam (no last name) from Mozart (US band sounds like Queen,They've already
>released 3 albums. First one was produced by R.Thomas Baker known as his works
>with Queen)
>Paul Shortino ex-member of Rough Cutt
>Mark Boals from Yngwie Malmsteen band
>John Bush from Anthrax! Don't forget about him.
-Keiji Nishihara
Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.or.jp
tq0139@mail.doshisha.ac.jp
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 12:29:47 -0500
From: "Robert Quezada" <rquezada@monmouth.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Foreign DT lyrics
Message-ID: <199701071736.MAA28215@shell.monmouth.com>
> >>1.) The very end of "Pull me under". ( just before the tape
"supposedly"
> >>stopped. )
> >>2.) The words said (by someone) just before they take off into the
> >>instrumental part of "Take the time" ( you know, Ba Da Da Da
Da
> >>Dum ......ah,.....You get the Idea.)
>
> >>Are those words French?
> Cliff, those words are English, very English actually. It's a line from
> Shakespeare's Hamlet...
>
> "Oh that this too, too solid flesh would melt..."
>
That part from PMU is in English, but the words in that part of TTT are
Italian, I believe. Here are the words from TTT:
"Adesso che ho perso la vista,
ci vedo meglio e di piu"
rq
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 09:42:43 -0800 (PST)
From: "Michael D. Stoner - FDC ~" <mdstoner@pcocd2.intel.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: woot's post
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.93.970107091848.60812M-100000@frc999>
>
> I'm also starting to get into Rush. I promised myself I wouldn't, cause
> with 20+ albums, that's a lot of money. However, a local used shop has
> just about all of them so maybe in time... I also wish that they would
> have waited until they had a whole album's worth of stuff before releasing
> something every year. Their CDs must average about 35-40 minutes each.
>
That's because back in the day you could only fit about 20 minutes onto
one side of a vinyl record without compromising the sound quality. So
bands only had to come up with about 35-40 minutes of new material to
fill up the record.
In the present, it would seem like they have to e more creative or use B
material to fill up a CD (or even use 75%), but I think this is balanced
by the fact that back in the 70's it was expected that a band would
release a new album every year. Are there any bands today that release a
full CD of original material every year?
--Mike
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