YTSEJAM Digest 2167
Today's Topics:
1) Christmas CDs
by Graham Borland <graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk>
2) Re: inferno/Badlands
by Scott Holthausen <smh@ldg.com>
3) IME
by "Mike Patrick" <mepatrick@iquest.net>
4) Gillen, who am I? (not sponsered by the wellness plan)
by "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2166
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
6) Length of early Rush albums
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
7) Rush LD/Superior news?
by Scott X <skooc@earthlink.net>
8) Sorry about the message.....
by Aarre Numminen <aarre.n@swipnet.se>
9) the old Rush LPs
by Scott X <skooc@earthlink.net>
10) Re: Dragon Attack (Queen Tribute)
by Aarre Numminen <aarre.n@swipnet.se>
11) Hear N' Aid video
by Scott X <skooc@earthlink.net>
12) Back Bacon
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
13) IME recommendations-reply
by BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
14) Rick Wright, Hear N Aid
by rsterry@idirect.com (Rick Terry)
15) Metallica set lists needed!
by Scott X <skooc@earthlink.net>
16) I'm back/Amorphis...
by Hard Rock <cdh191@merle.acns.nwu.edu>
17) A particle of mercy
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
18) THE MIRROR News?
by sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch)
19) Re: Fire Garden
by Jan Melander <jan.melander@got.wmdata.se>
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:50:17 +0000 (GMT)
From: Graham Borland <graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk>
To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Christmas CDs
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.93.970107174738.21772A-100000@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk>
Hello :-)
Who has the lowest numbered Christmas CD? I can't remember offhand, but
I think mine is #854.
According to the latest edition of Kerrang!, "Dream Theater are currently
recording a new album which is due for release in May".
I think they're badly informed.
Graham B.
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 97 18:09:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Scott Holthausen <smh@ldg.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: inferno/Badlands
Message-ID: <199701071824.KAA24888@pawn.ax.com>
Pat Daugherty wrote:
<snip>
>Other albums that Ray has sung on:
>George Lynch's Sacred Groove: sings on one song
<snippty, snip>
I think you have him confused with *Ian* Gillen, the first lead singer for
Lynch Mob. I believe Ray was dead by the time Sacred Groove was recorded.
Or mabey not. . .
Scott Holthausen
-smh@ldg.com
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:47:19 -0500
From: "Mike Patrick" <mepatrick@iquest.net>
To: "DT" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: IME
Message-ID: <m0vhgXC-005OmxC@iquest2.iquest.net>
How does IME compare to DT? They don't, other than the fact that IME
opened for some shows on the Awake tour. Nonetheless, they are GREAT.
Scenery and Fish is in my top five of last year. When I saw them live, I
said to myself, "Gosh, Miami Sound Machine on crack." They would lock into
a huge groove and the percussionist would just GO OFF. Scenery and Fish
has some of that, but it is REALLY melodic in spots and just a tad more
'popish' than DT. These guys are one of those bands that aren't easily
categorized and unfortunately will probably suffer the same fate as other
bands that that could be said of - they are are destined to wander the
earth in musical obscurity.
Mike
mepatrick@iquest.net
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Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 13:47:44 -0500
From: "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: extra large pizza-eating individuals <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Gillen, who am I? (not sponsered by the wellness plan)
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970107184744.006a8940@pop.pipeline.com>
First, the Sabbath album that Gillen recorded, but then was recorded over by
Tony Martin, was entitled "The Eternal Idol." Or maybe it was "Headless Cross."
One of those two. Both of which are excellent records, I might add. Just pretend
you have never heard of the Ozzy era, and imagine a new band. That's a sore
spot with me. Most of the post-Ozzy era Sabbath is extremely well written
and performed
metal. It's the Sabbath name that screws everything up. There is a
compilation of the
post Ozzy era entitled "The Sabbath Stones" which contains all the best Tony
Martin
era material.
Second, some asked about who some people on the Queen tribute were. Paul
Shortino
was the singer for 80's cheese metal band Ruff Cutt or however they spelled
it. John Bush
was the singer in the excellent, underrated LA band Armored Saint. He now
sings for Anthrax.
Mark Boals sang on a few Yngwie Malmsteen cd's, and was accompanying YM on his
latest tour here in the states.
P.S I think the word "era" was used too many times throughout this post. JFYI
Kevin
GO WINGS!!!
GO PACKERS!!!
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 12:54:21 -0600 (CST)
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2166
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970107123122.28923A-100000@enteract.com>
> From: "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi>
> Subject: Stratovarius/Amorphis/Waltari (NDTC)
> Chris Ptacek, you said that Amorphis sucks. Fine. I respect you opinion.
> Now I'd like to know why do you think they suck. Is it the vox that turn
> you away or what? You definitely should give them another chance, only this
> time listen the growling vocalist like he was just an instrument supporting
> the keyboards. That should give you a different aspect to their stuff. :)
> Not that I'm politicking (is that a word) for Finnish metal or anything! :P
Since I fancy myself somewhat reasonable, I will explain myself. I was
just making a point, so I didn't really expect to be confronted on this...
A good while ago two of my better friends were telling me about this
"Awesome Band!" that I had to hear. They were referring to Amorphis.
They pumped the band up huge, telling me about everything they do. I was
quite interested, but it took them two weeks to get around to showing me
the music. It turned out that it was more "doom" and depressing than I'm
into, and it didn't have the complexity that I so enjoy. This is a prime
example of a time when my saying "this band sucks" is to be taken as an
opinion, and is definately something yuo can and should disagree with if
you like the band. I like doom metal with clear vocals, or death metal
with the growling vocals... but I'm not a big fan of slower doom metal
with the growling vocals. I do understand the music's appeal to
listeners, but it didn't do anything for me.
I will note that I am planning to listen to their most recent release.
I'm told it's considerably different from their other work (much to my
friends' dismay). My idea of good doom metal is Ved Buens End, Solitude
Aeturnus, Candlemass Etc...
I will give Amorphis another listen, if you can point me in the direction
of what you would consider their finer songs.
Thanks
Chris Ptacek
someone@prognosis.com - "That Ptacek fool" - Master of the surreptitiosly
trite - Keeper of the tomes of preconceived notion - salt water taffy=bad
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 12:04:00 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Length of early Rush albums
Message-ID: <199701071904.MAA14284@goodguy.goodnet.com>
To the person who asked why older Rush albums are only 40 minutes
long...
Back then they were all on LP, which can only do 23 minutes per
side without grooving too thin to guarantee non-skipping. A great many
Rush albums push THAT limit to the edge, such as Caress of Steel and Power
Windows. My Hold Your Fire LP skips like mad because it's 25 or so minutes
per side. By then, CDs were coming into vogue, so Rush started writing
55-60 minute albums instead of 40-45 minute albums. So please be fair to
the Boyz in Rush... their obstacle was nothing more than the technology of
the time. :)
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - ASU Sun Devils 11-1, PAC 10 Champs!
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:07:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott X <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rush LD/Superior news?
Message-ID: <199701071907.LAA14477@austria.it.earthlink.net>
>RUSH: Grace Under Pressure
>VHS and LD: Out of Print.
>European (UK/Germany) and Japanese LD: In print and currently available at
>most Tower Records, Incredible Universe, and Camelot shops.
You can still find the laserdisc fairly easily. Here in the Bay Area I come
across it on a regular basis, but it's at full retail (29.95) Ken Crane's in
Westminster, CA might have it and if they do it would only be 23.95.
Also, I was off the jam for a while so if there's any news about Superior I
would love to hear it, especially if it has to do with touring America! (I
can dream, can't I?)
Scott
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"We didn't land on Sherwood Forest; Sherwood Forest landed on us!"
from the movie "Robin Hood: Men in Tights"
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 20:20:30 +0100 (MET)
From: Aarre Numminen <aarre.n@swipnet.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Sorry about the message.....
Message-ID: <199701071920.UAA09734@janus.swip.net>
Woohoo! Talk about a fuck-up.... *blushing* I guess my message for Mike Bahr
went straight to the jam, sorry about that... Just a bit confused about the
ack mode...
Mika
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:22:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott X <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: the old Rush LPs
Message-ID: <199701071922.LAA15880@austria.it.earthlink.net>
>I'm also starting to get into Rush. I promised myself I wouldn't, cause
>with 20+ albums, that's a lot of money. However, a local used shop has
>just about all of them so maybe in time... I also wish that they would
>have waited until they had a whole album's worth of stuff before releasing
>something every year. Their CDs must average about 35-40 minutes each.
Back in the days before Compact Disc (yes, SOME of us are old enough to
remember those days) the format of choice was the LP, today known as Vinyl.
For optimum sound performance they say a record should be between 16-22
minutes per side. Rush's albums fell within this area. Also, most albums
released were :30 (Van Halen & KISS) as Much as :45-:50 (Genesis).
By today's standards Rush's albums are short, back then they were average in
length, but not quality. I would argue that even though they were only
:36-:40, they are better then most albums today that are :50+.
Scott
ps - Sometimes this CD format can be a pain in the ass too. All The World's
A Stage has a song missing from the LP version (What You're Doing) but it
doesn't list that on the back at all. I think there's a track missing on
Exit Stage Left also.
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"We didn't land on Sherwood Forest; Sherwood Forest landed on us!"
from the movie "Robin Hood: Men in Tights"
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 20:24:27 +0100 (MET)
From: Aarre Numminen <aarre.n@swipnet.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Dragon Attack (Queen Tribute)
Message-ID: <199701071924.UAA10422@janus.swip.net>
What's the Dragon Attack CD??? Who's on it? Information is _wanted_! Email
me personally about it, ok?
Thanks in advance,
Mika
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:31:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott X <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Hear N' Aid video
Message-ID: <199701071931.LAA16971@austria.it.earthlink.net>
Yo!
I have the Hear N' Aid video that's been discussed lately. I made mine
directly from the factory master so it's really nice quality and is in
stereo. Running time total is :30. It contains the video for the song and
the making of the song. If Anyone would like a copy I'd be willing to set up
a trade. Email me your list and we'll work something out.
Scott
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"We didn't land on Sherwood Forest; Sherwood Forest landed on us!"
from the movie "Robin Hood: Men in Tights"
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:34:45 -0800
From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Back Bacon
Message-ID: <199701071934.LAA14190@main.cfmc.com>
>From: "woot" <sir@micron.net>
>
>Recently picked up The Galactic Cowboys self-titled. I've given it more
>than it's fair chance, and I'm still not very impressed. It does have its
>moments, like track #2 is pretty cool, but I find myself comparing again...
"I'm Not Amused" is a classic, to my was of thinking, as is "Why Can't You
Believe In Me." Trendy, I guess....the two singles. I guess I just don't
agree with the assessment above. Though, if you're getting into the band,
I'd start with "Space In Your Face."
>I'm also starting to get into Rush. I promised myself I wouldn't, cause
>with 20+ albums, that's a lot of money. However, a local used shop has
>just about all of them so maybe in time... I also wish that they would
>have waited until they had a whole album's worth of stuff before releasing
>something every year. Their CDs must average about 35-40 minutes each.
That's actually a time-period thing, rather than a Rush thing. A 40 minute
record in 1977 is actually a little on the long side. Look at the first Van
Halen record, for example. Rush and Genesis actually made some of the
longest records of the late-70's. We won't even talk about The Ramones. At
any rate, like everyone else, Rush is making hour-long albums now, for
better or worse.
And my own commentary on the Marillion thing:
It's certainly very possible for a Dream Theater fan not to like Marillion.
Chris Ptacek correctly mentions that Marillion certainly isn't a metal band
and a lot of people don't consider them to be "real" prog. Of course, a lot
of people also don't consider Rush, Queensryche, King's X, Fates Warning,
Pink Floyd, and, yes, Dream Theater, to be progressive, either. I do, and
highly, highly recommend all of those bands to everyone I can every chance I
get.
At any rate, I think Dream Theater and Marillion ARE similar and are both
Progressive bands (though I don't think they're as similar as Dream Theater
and Rush....heh). And Marillion's awesome....one of my favorite bands.
Five Gratutitous CD's:
======================
1. Rush: Test For Echo
2. Budgie: Budgie
3. Queen: A Night At The Opera
4. Alanis Morrissette: Jagged Little Pill
5. ZZ Top: Eliminator
Adam D. Barnhart
adamb@cfmc.com
ydnt85a@prodigy.com
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Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 12:57:58 -0700
From: BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: IME recommendations-reply
Message-ID: <s2d25288.089@IOMEGA.COM>
Randall Braun asked about IME disks and comparisons. I have them
both. Initially, I think I like Dig better. But, I have only had S&F
for a week. I do think this one will grow on me because I'm already
humming 'One More Astronaut'. S&F does not sound like a continuation
of Dig-they are two different albums going in different directions.
They don't remind me of DT at all. Randall, if you can get Dig in the
cutouts, by all means buy it, it's a damn good CD. S&F also is an
enhanced CD meaning that you get Quicktime to download and several
little 'movies' of the band with some music from both albums-kinda
neat. So, in conclusion, I would recommend Dig first then get S&F or
just buy them both, it'll be worth it.
Wilmo
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Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 19:52:01 GMT
From: rsterry@idirect.com (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rick Wright, Hear N Aid
Message-ID: <32d3a5c5.10099718@mail.idirect.com>
Greetings fellow Ytsefruit of the Womb!
>Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 05:00:00 -0500
>From: WildKoba@aol.com
>and rick terry- mad fat props for the info on the rick wright cd. i
>understand manu katche (one of my favorite drummers) is on that cd, =
along
>with sting's guitarist, dominic miller. look foward to finding it.=20
Thou art welcome, oh master of infinite goondom! :) You
shouldn't have too much trouble locating it. It's readily available
at most of the major chains.
>Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 09:26:56 -0600
>From: Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com>
>It is the one from Hear N Aid, and to get it, you have to
>FIND Hear N Aid in the first place!! (my local import store has it, but =
it's
>rather expensive...)
Unless you absolutely can't live without that song, I would
suggest passing on Hear N Aid. In truth, Stars is the only good track
on it, with the exception of a version of Rush' Distant Early Warning
taken from the GUP tour in 1984.
Also, there is a very notable buzz at the beginning of Stars
on the CD that was not on the original vinyl. I have both of these.
If you can get the boot with an alternate version, I'd say
grab it. The guitar solos may be different.=20
Also, in case you aren't aware of this, the CD version was
MUCH longer than the radio play version with a TON of solos, so if you
like 80s shred, that's a little added bonus. :)
Cheers,
Rick
Toronto
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:56:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott X <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: "<ytsejam@ax.com>" <vanhalen@lists.fdt.net>
Subject: Metallica set lists needed!
Message-ID: <199701071956.LAA07420@iceland.it.earthlink.net>
Hi!
If anyone has been to any of the Metallica show EXCEPT Fresno, San Jose &
San Fran, could you please send them to me? I guess Lars said they're
changing the set every night to keep it fresh. An if the three nights I went
are an indication he's right. It's changed a little every show.
Scott
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"We didn't land on Sherwood Forest; Sherwood Forest landed on us!"
from the movie "Robin Hood: Men in Tights"
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 14:12:16 -0600 (CST)
From: Hard Rock <cdh191@merle.acns.nwu.edu>
To: The Perfect Strangers <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: I'm back/Amorphis...
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.93.970107140600.12516A-100000@merle.acns.nwu.edu>
Back from Winter break. I spent the break with my girlfriend in NJ,
and I had no clue how boring that place really is. Lots of deer, though,
and that's real exciting for a New York City boy.
In defense of Amorphis, in the little bit I've heard, they
definitely struck me. "Black Winter Day" is a way cool song, complete
with growls and regular singing and keyboards and everything. You could
accuse them of sucking, but not for being unoriginal or your average
run-of-the-mill-trying-to-sound-the-same death metal band.
Later.
Take it easy,
"To be is to do" - Plato
Charlie Harrison "To do is to be" - Aristotle
"Hard Rock" (NYC) "Doo bee doo bee doo" - Sinatra
/}
/ /
/ / />
"Vato" ,__________/ //{----/{________________________________ "Vato"
Miami /| ==========|/\|-----/_________________________________\ Miami
NYC \| ==========|\/|-----\_________________________________/ NYC
'~~~~~~~~~~\ \\{----\{
\ \ \> "Having a sensitive member of the
"Seasons change... \ \ audience; it's like having another
and so can I" \} member of the band..."
-DREAM THEATER -JOHN COLTRANE
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Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 20:40:44 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A particle of mercy
Message-ID: <32D2B4CC.6FBE@mailstorm.dot.gov>
Started giving TfE a closer listen over the holidays and I'm liking it
more and more. My favorite so far is The Color of Right. The lyrics, as
Neil so often does, wonderfully combine the etherial with the down home.
One of those melodies that makes ya jump up out of your seat and grab
the axe.
*------------*------------------------*--------------*
| Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
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Goodnight Steelers...
Jacksonville, you may now begin cleaning off the golf clubs too!
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 21:44:26 +0100 (MEZ)
From: sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch)
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam - the Dream Theater mailing list)
Subject: THE MIRROR News?
Message-ID: <9701072044.AA55280@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>
Hello!
Just a quick note for all German speaking Jammers - again:
Wer Info ueber THE MIRROR, den deutschen DT-Fanclub haben will, einfach in
die Webpages schauen:
http://www.westend.com/TheMirror
Wer keinen Internetzugang hat, kann mich auch per Mail erreichen:
Das Fanzine hat sich aus allerlei Gruenden verzoegert, und im Moment suche
ich noch nach einer anstaendigen Druckerei, aber das wird schon noch.
Mehrfach wurden die "monatlichen Newsletter" erwaehnt (Hallo, Olaf). Davon war
nie die Rede. Wenn es keine oder nur sehr wenige News gibt, so wie im Moment,
warum sollte ich dann Newsletter verschicken? Nicht vergessen, der mit Abstand
groesste Teil der Mitglieder bekommt gedruckte News, und es waere unfair, nur
fuer ein "nix neues" deren Geld aus dem Fenster zu schmeissen. Diejenigen mit
Netzugang koennen die aktuellsten News auf den Webpages lesen oder mich direkt
fragen - der regulaere Newsletter kommt nur bei Bedarf.
On with the Jam...
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THE MIRROR
German Dream Theater Fanzine
TheMirror@westend.com
http://www.westend.com/TheMirror
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 97 21:57:30 -0000
From: Jan Melander <jan.melander@got.wmdata.se>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Fire Garden
Message-ID: <9701072154.AA16041@goethe.got.wmdata.se>
>Holy hell....I finally picked up Vai's Fire Garden and man does it rock!
>
>Baghdad and Fire Suite are awesome: rockn' Arabian music!
Yepp! I agree!
But did You know that *Bangkok* was written by the ex-ABBA
members/songwriters Bjorn & Benny for their musical Chess? Check out the
music to Chess, it is realy good.
Vai have rearanged the piece quite a lot on the record but I saw him on
the Skyscraper Tour with DLR and at that time he did Bangkok in almost
the same arangement as in Chess as the main part of his solo number, it
was amazing.
Cheers,.
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Jan Melander
WM-Data
jan.melander@got.wmdata.se
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"Until the circle breaks and wisdom lies ahead,
The faithful live Awake, the rest remain misled"
Innocence Faded - Dream Theater
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