YTSEJAM Digest 2187
Today's Topics:
1) Braindance et al.
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
2) Cobain, Stairway, Bizarro Music
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
3) Re: Low Metal Vocals
by "Eddie J Cooper" <eddie@abacus.co.uk>
4) Re: Re: Low Metal Vocals
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
5) Fan Club Address
by ichhi@matrix.mdn.com (Patrick Taylor)
6) Re: gutter to the stage patch?
by sjepsen@post4.tele.dk (Jepsen, Steen)
7) boots and gloves
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
8) jam sucking?
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
9) DT/Angra/Crimson Glory- type bands
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
10) Whoops -Triumph mistake
by BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
11) 25 rules for women (NDTC) this is a fun one!
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
12) go now, see ya
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
13) Where to find DT drum transcriptions
by Scott Luttringer <95fa467@dvc.edu>
14) Idle babble & Birch Hill
by Quazel Schmirt <jmlentch@mailbox.syr.edu>
15) Darkstar
by Jan van Huizen <aurora@wirehub.nl>
16) New Braindance
by "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu>
17) New progtrend...
by Mika Numminen <aarre.n@swipnet.se>
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 03:18:45 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Braindance et al.
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9701150342.B19845-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
> Subject: Re: Echolyn and BH pictures
>
> I guess I should count myself lucky for findin' Stu Hamm's Kings of
> Sleep. This guy rocks. That Prelude in C is pretty rad, I gotta
> kick back and jam to it again.
"Kings of Sleep" is the only Hamm CD I have :( (well, except for Vai's
P&W, but that doesn't really count). This disc gets regular rotation in
my CD player. Some of the songs are a bit lame songwriting-wise, but the
bass playing throughout is top-notch. And every time I listen to him
play Bach's "Prelude in C", I'm tempted to just give up playing bass
altogether. If you're a fan of any of Stu's work (and Working Man is not
a fair representation - he's much better than that), pick up anything you
can find by him. He has three or four solo CD's out, all on Relativity
from what I understand (back when they were good).
BTW, I saw a rap album in the store the other day released by
Relativity. I cried.
----> From: "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@avalon.net> > Subject: new braindance cd > > and for those who don't know, braindance is, well, by their > own definition 'progressive new age gothic metal fusion'. i call them > amazing. their singer has one of the most incredible voices.. very
[snip] I agree 100% with everything Rage had to say. I describe them as "Yes meets Type O". Arranging is awesome. Lots of great hooks and melodies - and female voice harmonies (yum) - are mixed just right with prog elements. And they use the coolest samples I've ever heard (yes, cooler than DT's :). On this one album, they use samples from Ren & Stimpy, Star Wars, Reservoir Dogs, and other things. It's cool as hell. When I got this disc, the only thing that could chase it out of the CD player and keep it out was Spock's Beard.
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> From: Scott Cook <skooc@earthlink.net> > Subject: Shitsejam > > Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out! If you don't have > something to contribute other than whining that the Jam sucks then I guess > it's time to move on. Maybe you should try Martyr's mailing list.
"You're not allowed to rent here anymore!" "Yeah!"
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 00:21:45 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Cobain, Stairway, Bizarro Music Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.970114235955.30486A-100000@dante26.u.washington.edu>
> From: DJSHEP68@aol.com > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2179 > > < Also the Kurt thing, I believe he was a good person even though his > music in my opinion sucked> > > I'm sorry,but in my book anyone who blows his head off and leaves a > very young girl to grow up without a father is NOT a good person.
Alright, alright, how exactly did Kurt Cobain die? Did he overdose on drugs of some sort or did he shoot himself? Did Malmsteen call him one day and begin playing 32nd notes over the phone?
Has "Scenes From A Memory" begun shipping yet?
Well I heard an interesting song last night. It started with a riff played by Petrucci at that clinic last June. Turns out it's called "Stairway To Heaven," and now that I've heard it in it's entirety, I can now say I'm a changed man. Sort of. When Petrucci did that to give an example of what he heard "every day" while working in a guitar store, everyone burst into laughter, and I had to sort of sit there and assume it was from something famous that everyone hated. Or loved. But now it all makes sense.
The song that came on after that, next on the album I guess, started with a heavy drumbeat which I recognized as being sampled in about 49 different rap songs. Who'd have thought Led Zeppelin would one day influence the creation of dozens of rhymed threats. Then when the guitar came in I wondered what exactly Motley Crue was listening to when they thought up "Hooligan's Holiday." Those Zeppelin guys must be pretty popular...
Even more bizarro was when I was listening to a tape of Steve Morse's "Picture This," which happens to be the only piece of music I own by that icon and what is arguably one of the most beautiful pieces of music around. Anyway, when it ended I turned on the radio, and was blown away when I heard an extremely similar piece, I mean a Sonic Twin, on a jazz station (KPLU Tacoma-Seattle). A guitarist by the name of Martin Taylor was playing a piece from his album "Artistry." Anyone heard of this fellow? Is he another biggie that I've just never heard/heard of?
"I'm a honey." --Elaine, "Seinfeld" 1/9/97
---- > From: erasm58@cicrp.jussieu.fr (Ties GOEBEL) > Subject: Cool poll results in France / Great concert > > Best band: Angra > Best album: Angra - Holy Land > Hope for the future: Superior !!!
So I guess our outlook has gone from "but there may not be one" to "Superior!!!"
Anyone looking for a break from sweep-picking and finger-numbing scale practicing, check out the Stray Cats "Best Of The Stray Cats." My first Stray Cats album, and I'm impressed. Brian Setzer has some pretty cool trix up his sleeve. And best of all, it's FUN music. :)
"The dead are rarely violent." --Benjamin Franklin
Bafu Vai
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:24:36 0 From: "Eddie J Cooper" <eddie@abacus.co.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Low Metal Vocals Message-ID: <9701150924.AA17981@sphinx>
On 14 Jan 97, svjohnson@amoco.com wrote about "Low Metal Vocals":
> My girlfriend asked me the other day why metal singers need to > sing so high up in the vocal range. I didn't really have a > good answer for this. I just kinda said that metal is > aggressive and powerful and I never met anyone getting a good > yell out of their body in the lower registers. Anyone else?
Errrr... try the "sell-out" James Hetfield as I believe you would have him known...
Laterz Eddie };-)~
- "Hardware, n.: The parts of a computer system that can be kicked." - "Boy, life takes a long time to live..."
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 02:56:14 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Re: Low Metal Vocals Message-ID: <199701150956.CAA60036@kitts.u.arizona.edu>
At 01:36 AM 1/15/97 -0800, Eddie Cooper wrote: >> My girlfriend asked me the other day why metal singers need to >> sing so high up in the vocal range. I didn't really have a >> good answer for this. I just kinda said that metal is >> aggressive and powerful and I never met anyone getting a good >> yell out of their body in the lower registers. Anyone else? > >Errrr... try the "sell-out" James Hetfield as I believe you would >have him known... > Yeah, or the dudes from Type-O, (newer) Anthrax, Pantera, Fear Factory, etc. Even Mustaine from Megadeth with that higher voice can grind it out every now and then. That gutteral growl is awesome.
RRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
The one thing missing from DT (j/k).
Maybe it's just me but could this girl be referring to what was popularly considered "heavy metal" in the 80s and early 90s? You know, all that glam stuff. Not that all glam is bad, though. I love Judas Priest, VH, Kiss, and the Scorpions. :)
Later all,
Peace be with you and God bless.
~Vince
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 05:57:54 -0501 (GMT-0500) From: ichhi@matrix.mdn.com (Patrick Taylor) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fan Club Address Message-ID: <199701151058.FAA22394@decker.mdn.com>
Hi there,
Could someone please repost the address of the DTIFC. I'd really like to get the Christmas CD. Thanks.
buhbye Patrick Taylor ptaylor@ichhi.mdn.com
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:29:11 +0100 From: sjepsen@post4.tele.dk (Jepsen, Steen) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: gutter to the stage patch? Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970115132909.0068ce04@post4.tele.dk>
Olli-Pekka Komonen wrote: > >PS: Did everyone get their From gutter to stage with a patch like i did? >
Er no... What kindof patch is that???
Steen
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 08:47:31 -0600 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: boots and gloves Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970115144731.006d74dc@mail.inlink.com>
> >>I thought DT encouraged bootlegs? > >Not at all! Mike Portnoy doesn't mind them and if you check Mike Bahr's >list of paid CD's you usually see Mike P with three spots taken. The >rest of the band is not happy with them.
this is probably because mike is perfect. i mean, the rest of the band are just mortals, but mike portnoy, the immortally cool drum god, worry about messing up on a bootleg? nawwww. :)
~Rip
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 08:53:28 -0600 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: jam sucking? Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970115145328.006d6854@mail.inlink.com>
> >I agree with Ben. The list has really gone downhill lately. Granted, at >least there haven't been any stupid debates the last couple of weeks >resulting in about 15 new jams a day. > >Anyway, I've been on here for about 2 and a half years now (god, I feel >old), and at one time I was one of the most frequent posters, but now I >can't even remember when I last posted. Why? Because the jam sucks now!
the jam doesnt suck any less. people's opinions about it do. these threads are the same gooey threads that were going on a year ago, and you can either have fun with them, read them, respond to them, get involved with them, or you can sit back and say "this sucks" i think after two years you may just be getting tired of this place, but i really dont see how it sucks. i been here probably a year now and i still love reading and posting to jams just as much as i did when i first got on, theres 800 some people out there to hear your voice. being someone who talks to ben a lot, something i have noticed, and this is just a perception of mine, is that he's getting more involved socially at his school, he's just getting away from the net a lot, and thats probably what really resulted in him getting off the jam. thats not a bad thing at all, its just led him to want off tha jam. when you stop reading posts, you stop following with the people, the inside jokes, everything else, you start thinking it sucks. the jam still rules imo, nah nah :P
~Rip
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 97 10:33:19 EST From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT/Angra/Crimson Glory- type bands Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+v,DrmA@tcx.tcco.com>
I was going through the new DreamDisc catalog and was wondering if anyone had any opinions on the following bands. Next to each one is the description that DreamDisc gave - I'd also like to know how accurate their assessment is...:
Kamelot (Crimson Glory/Queensryche type) Leviathan (prog metallers) Mayadome (Dream Theater/Fates Warning type) Pavlov's Dogs (Queensryche type) Psycho Drama (ala Crimson Glory/Queenryche) D.I.M. (Dream Theater type) Heir Apparent (ala old Queensryche) Time Machine (Dream Theater/Queensryche type)
Thanks in advance for your help (cng@tcco.com)
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:35:03 -0700 From: BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Whoops -Triumph mistake Message-ID: <s2dcb004.051@IOMEGA.COM>
Hi jamlings,
>>> "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com> 1/14/97, 02:14pm >>> Mike Levine or Gil Moore? There was no Mike Moore. >>>>>>>
Kevin caught my mistake I posted in an earlier jam about Mike Levine, not Moore, being on Wheel Of Fortune.
Thanks Kevin, I guess I should learn to proofread :>
Wilmo
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:33:55 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: 25 rules for women (NDTC) this is a fun one! Message-ID: <199701151633.JAA28788@nevis.u.arizona.edu>
Thought you all could use a little humor!
>>25 rules for Women: >> >>1. SportsCenter starts at 11:00 PM and runs an hour. This is a great time >>to pay bills, put laundry in the dryer or talk to your sister. >> >>2. Two hot dogs and a beer at a baseball game do, in fact, constitute >>going out to dinner. >> >>3. Unlike you, we essentially want to dress just exactly like all our >>friends. Thus, you need not go much further than the Gap, J. Crew or the >>local Patagonia store. >> >>4. If we see you in the morning and at night, why call us at work? >> >>5. Butthead is the smart one. >> >>6. Is it too much to ask to have the bra match the underwear? >> >>7. You probably don't want to know what we're thinking about. >> >>8. Silence does not need to be filled with discussions about "us" and "the >>relationship." >> >>9. Things you can help with: the Sunday crossword, yard work, the dishes, >>cleaning, and grocery shopping. >> >>10. Things you should let us do alone: figuring out where we are, watching >>anything on TBS, playing cards, smoking cigars and picking out the beer. >> >>11. Socks never constitute a gift. >> >>12. Department stores and malls were designed so that when you want to look >>at bed linen, shower curtains or handbags, there are always some speakers, >>tires or sporting equipment nearby. >> >>13. We don't know anything about handbags. Don't even ask. >> >>14. We did water the plants. They died anyway. Nobody knows why this happens. >> >>15. Even if you think he's cute, Kevin Costner can't act. >> >>16. Of course, neither can Elle McPherson, but she had the good sense to do >>"Sirens" rather than "Waterworld." >> >>17. Curley is the bald one. >> >>18. Compromise does not mean that we abandon our position in favor of yours. >> >>19. Sports Illustrated is a better magazine than Cosmopolitan. Just accept >that. >> >>20. Its in neither your interest nor ours to take the Quiz together. >> >>21. Unless you are willing to follow the careers of Mo Vaughn, Cal Ripken, >>David Robinson, Michael Jordan, Arnold >>Schwarzenegger and Chris Farley, don't expect us to know what Helen Gurley >>Brown, Hilary Clinton, Naomi Wolf or your mother are up to. >> >>22. Sex on a weeknight is generally welcome. Three hours of post-coital >>conversation are not. >> >>23. Dinner out is a pretty good birthday present. Two tickets to a ball >>game are even better. >> >>24. No, you can't have the remote control. >> >>25. If you must take us with you into Victoria's Secret, never, ever leave >>us alone. All the old fat ladies make mean faces at us and only add to our >>discomfort. Peace be with you and God bless.
~Vince
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:33:38 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: go now, see ya Message-ID: <32DD06E2.4813@mailstorm.dot.gov>
>Well duders...it's been fun, but I'm unsubscribing. As for a reason? >Frankly....it's boring as hell. Haven't seen anything interesting on the jam >for a few months or more. I might be back in awhile, but I wouldn't count on >it. Later.
>Ben "Ben" Laussade
Buh bye :)
I wish people wouldn't announce that they're leaving...
When you gotta go, just GO!
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:37:37 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Luttringer <95fa467@dvc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Where to find DT drum transcriptions Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970115103218.24072B-100000@viking.dvc.edu>
Hey there,
recently I was checking the web for drum transcriptions, not necessarily DT ones (didn't want to get my hopes up), and lo and behold, I came across one page that actually has them! (Well, actually they are not up yet, but they will be soon, so keep your eyes peeled. The URL is below, I have emailed the guy and he said that he had some problems with his scanner, but it is fixed now, and he hopes to have the DT transciptions up soon. IN the meantime, the only thing there is the Metallica song "One". Check it out.
http://meded.med.uci.edu/~nprakash/neal.html
Scott
-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/- Scott Luttringer zimbob@dreamt.org
"For the first time in a long time...everything was right in my world...and then I woke up." Dream Theater "A Fortune In Lies"
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:48:56 -0500 (EST) From: Quazel Schmirt <jmlentch@mailbox.syr.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Idle babble & Birch Hill Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970115133926.799A-100000@forbin.syr.edu>
Hi everyone. I am finally back at school:( amidst jams o'plenty. It was great seeing everyone at BH and I need to voice my request for BH boots. I didn't read all of the jams from vacation so I am sure I missed something. If someone could let me know the info it would be muchly appreciated. I am sure there were plenty of spoilers so I won't go on but I do have two things I want to mention. First of all, great fucking show, as always. Secondly (is that a real word?), I didn't think the sound quality was nearly as good as last year. Especially since they had new material, it would have been a lot nicer had it been mixed better. I didn't hear much of Derek although I was dead in front of him, he has a nice smile:) Okay, two more things, sorry. On the subject of Derek, his girlfriend or her friend needed to keep their hands off of Mallet's ass. It is reserved. And the two biker type people pushing at the front of the stage area needed a body check, they were real jerks. It sounds like I have a lot of complaints but I actually had the time of my life that night. I am assuming so did a lot of you guys! Well, that is about it for now, if someone could let me know about the boots I will be a happy camper. Thanks!
Jill --------- Quazel
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 20:05:29 +0100 From: Jan van Huizen <aurora@wirehub.nl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Darkstar Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970115190529.00676570@mail.wirehub.nl>
Hi everyone,
First I'd like to thank to person who posted about the Fates Warning news. Great, that's one of the main reasons why I'm on this list : latest news on my favourite bands.
Speaking of favourite bands : I bought a CD by a band called Darkstar. I guess most people don't know them, so I'd like to introduce them to you. Darkstar is a project (I believe, can anyone correct me on this ?) which features Dan Rock (former guitarist of Psychotic Waltz, never hear anything about them on this list, they rule !), Siggi Blasey on keys, Martin Iordanidis on bass and Oliver Werner. Apart from Dan Rock, I don't know any of the other 3 guys, can anyone tell me in which bands they play ?
Darkstar is instrumental (yes, instrumental), but their music is hard to describe, but I'll try. It's kind of ambient, mixed with metal. I guess you could call it Pink Floyd meets Metallica. If you like the unique style of Psychotic Waltz, you'll surely love this album.
See ya,
Aurora
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 14:39:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu> To: subtlerage@avalon.net, ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New Braindance Message-ID: <199701151939.OAA62159@pilot16.cl.msu.edu>
Well, the last I heard about the new CD was that they were still in the studio working on it. That was about 2 months ago. You can get ahold of the band via email at braindance@earthlink.net I will drop them a line to see what is going on.
Andrew
-- garinger@pilot.msu.edu Zeta Beta Tau-Beta Epsilon Chapter
"Assumption is the mother of all f*ckups..."
GB/MU d- s++:-- a-- C++ !U P? !L E--- W+ N-- K- w-- !O M-- !V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP t++ 5 X+ R tv+ b+++ DI+++ D++ G- e* h++ r--- !y+ (The above Geek Code may be decoded at http://hci.ise.vt.edu/~jreiss/ geek/geek.cgi)
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 20:43:18 +0100 (MET) From: Mika Numminen <aarre.n@swipnet.se> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New progtrend... Message-ID: <199701151943.UAA05765@mailbox.swip.net>
At 11.15 1997-01-15 -0800, Aurora wrote: >Hi everyone, > >First I'd like to thank to person who posted about the Fates Warning news. >Great, that's one of the main reasons why I'm on this list : latest news on >my favourite bands. >
Couldn't agree more with you, the jam is more than only DT to me, it's my source of all prog news, recommendations etc. This rules! :)
Anyone else noticed that Shrapnel are releasing CDs, not just by guitar virtuoses, but also by progbands (Artension and Mayadome, etc.). Are Pete Morticelli and Mike Varney trying to spread thelosses or what? :)
Anyway, just my $0.02 to make the Jam worse. :)
%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%& & Mika Numminen & aarre.n@swipnet.se % % aka Viking % te95mne@student.hgs.se & &%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&% % http://www.hgs.se/~te95mne & & http://home3.swipnet.se/~w-330353 (Coming soon!) % %&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&
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