YTSEJAM Digest 2185
Today's Topics:
1) Echolyn and BH pictures
by gsrockr@en.com (George Sumschidt)
2) Huh? Holly?
by svjohnson@amoco.com
3) Zrock
by evan andrew nelson <enelson@students.uiuc.edu>
4) Re: Z-Rock
by "Ken McWatters" <kmcwatters@hotmail.com>
5) Hidden Tracks, Vixen, Klank. DTC? no....
by rbeall@fdldotnet.com (Grim88)
6) Boston Ytse-Lunch (II)
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
7) Re: Our Lady Peace, Symphony X/IQ, Artension
by Drummnstan@aol.com
8) I need some 'legs!
by Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
9) half the world sucks, while the other half blows
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
10)
by
11) The Jam...
by Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
12) in search of dt keys music?
by WildKoba@aol.com
13) Re: half the world sucks, while the other half blows
by Drummnstan@aol.com
14) Re: The Jam...
by Drummnstan@aol.com
15) Marillion/DT & Boots/Ian GillAn/YKTR
by Ronnie <skooc@earthlink.net>
16) Re: half the world sucks, while the other half blows
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
17) MIKE PORTNOY DRUM TRANSCRIPTIONS
by uio.satnet.net@uio.satnet.net
18) how to get some DT drum tramscriptions
by uio.satnet.net@uio.satnet.net
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:51:14 -0500 (EST)
From: gsrockr@en.com (George Sumschidt)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Echolyn and BH pictures
Message-ID: <199701142051.PAA24940@en.com>
Hey group!!! After the crappy day I just had, I have
to share some good news. I found a used Echolyn
cd that I can sell. It is: As The World. It is an
excellent cd. The music kicks serious butt!!!
If you want it, e-mail ME at gsrockr@en.com.
I would like to get $7.00 for it.
About the BH pictures. They have been put on
a web site. You can see some of the jammers
that came from far and near to see DT at the
Birch Hill rock club at the following site:
http://www.cais.com/jjens/bh/
If you are in the pictures, but not identified or
mis-identified, e-mail ME and tell me what picture
you are in and WHO you are. Back to the jam...
_________________________________________
"I'm out of debt for the first time in my adult life."
"'What are you going to do now?'"
"Buy a house." -G.S. 11/4/96
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 15:20:13 -0600
From: svjohnson@amoco.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Huh? Holly?
Message-ID: <199701142121.AA17153@interlock.amoco.com>
>He certanly has been innovative with some of the
>sounds he produces. What Jimi (and others like Les Paul, Buddy Holly)
>did truly changed the face!
Maybe those in the know can clear this up. What was it that Buddy
Holly did to innovate guitar playing. I'm srious here. I don't care
for '50s rock at all so I haven't payed attention to it. I am a
novice guitar player, but Holly never came to mind as someone I should
study. Help me here!
Thanks,
Steve
also, just put IME's Scenery and Fish into the Mac and I love the
enhanced content! Really killer tunes and some really weird shit!
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:21:12 -0600 (CST)
From: evan andrew nelson <enelson@students.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Zrock
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970114151822.25582A-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu>
According to a media web page I saw, Zrock was discontinued nationwide at
the end of the year by ABC, who bought the network some time ago and
decided there was no longer a market for metal :( Some stations, such as
WHZT here in Champaign, switched formats a little early (to classic
rock). Personally, I think Zrock was at its peak about 4 years ago..
ever since then they've played so much mainstream music that it kind of
lost its uniqueness.
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Date: 14 Jan 1997 19:06:50 -0000
From: "Ken McWatters" <kmcwatters@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Z-Rock
Message-ID: <19970114190650.7603.qmail@hotmail.com>
About Z-Rock,
First, it was where I first heard DT. I had actually read about this
cool new band called Dream Theater on the NMS, and their single being
PMU. Well, I recognized the title when I heard the song, and sure
enough, by the time it was over I knew I liked the band. Z-Rock went
on to play most of the songs on IAW as singles or on request shows..
pretty cool.
About Z-Rock. I think there have been local versions, but the
nationwide version is/was based out of Dallas, TX.. that's where all
the DJs are. They apparently were able to open up new affiliates in
medium to large radio markets at low cost, and didn't mind losing them.
They started up one in College Station, TX in 1994 on a brand new
frequency for the area, then the station switched formats about a year
later. Z-Rock has been on AM, FM (mostly), and even shortwave (!)
around 1992 on WRNO out of New Orleans.
I've also seen them on the decline around Texas. They haven't had
an affiliate in Dallas or Houston for a few years. I believe the
Austin one switched formats sometime last year. The only remnant I
know of is in College Station, where a local AOR/classic rock station
picked them up to relay them on weekend nights (and other various
times, but daytime they have their own DJs/programming). What sucks
is that they succumbed to the alternative bug and play that crap all
the time. Hard rock is barely in their schedule anymore. So I don't
consider it a big loss that they're probably on their way down the
tubes.
Ken
P.S. You can see the latest Z-Rock 1000 posted on that College Station
radio station's website. Its callsign is KTSR.. you can probably
do a search and browse your way to it.
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http://www.angelfire.com/tx/kmcwatters Quote of the month:
"I'm holding on to life/I'm floating in a stream/Everything's
much clearer now/We live within a dream and never wake"
-Kansas, "Child of Innocence", Masque
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:35:27 -0600
From: rbeall@fdldotnet.com (Grim88)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Hidden Tracks, Vixen, Klank. DTC? no....
Message-ID: <199701142335.RAA07491@fdl.fdldotnet.com>
>
>On the GC hidden tracks: I agree that they are extrememly annoying. To the
>guy who said 'try listening to Soace in Your Face' on a car stereo : That's
>for damn sure! If I want to hear thos tracks , I have to manually forward
>through every empty track to get to it. I don't even waste my time anymore -
>what a waste of a track if I don't get to listen to it.
>
Waht is wrong with the hidden tracks on this particular album that yu can't
just leave it go? I have numerous CD's with hiden tracks an I jsut leave
them run till it gets there.
Klank: Still can't find it anywhere....Maybe some one could pick it up for
me? Email me privatly first of course.
Vixen. Another I've been searching for for quite a while. Do they have a
greatest hits?
Ryan Beall aka: Grim88
rbeall@fdl.fdldotnet.com
grim88@hotmail.com
http://members.tripod.com/~Grim88/index.html
"Might as well. Can't dance" -- Jay "Popinjay" Ackroyd
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 16:55:26 -0500
From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Boston Ytse-Lunch (II)
Message-ID: <199701142155.QAA15891@wicked.stigmata.org>
Hi All ....
A few months back, a few of us in the Boston area (only 4) got
together to meet and have lunch a day. It was cool meeting new
jammers and its always good to see old ones, so I was thinking about
extending the invitation a little more. So, if anyone in the Boston
area thinks they might be interested, let me know. We are currently
aiming for Saturday, Jan 25th. I would say since we are calling this
a lunch we are gonna plan for noonish (I should be able to get rid of
my hangover by then). And since there is a good concentration of
people in the Kenmore Square area, we are thinking that would probably
be the best place to have it.
So, if you would like to come, please email me. Any
suggestions about where to eat are welcome. There is a Pizzeria Unos
right in Kenmore Square, so that may be the ideal place, but Newbury
Street is not too far away, so there are definately some choices.
OK, enough from me. Hope to hear from all you locals soon.
Later!
Skadz
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:02:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Drummnstan@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Our Lady Peace, Symphony X/IQ, Artension
Message-ID: <970114165731_1593770098@emout09.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 1/14/97 6:39:16 PM, you wrote:
<<
When did you see them? Was it when they opened for Van Halen
last summer? That show was filmed in Toronto and MuchMusic runs it
occasionally as a Big Ticket. I no longer have this on tape, but
someone else may.
>>
i saw them in summer 95 in support of VH in new jersey, i would love a tape
anyone have one private email me
laterz,
stan
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:11:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I need some 'legs!
Message-ID: <199701142211.RAA04125@hammurabi.nh.ultra.net>
SOMEBODY HELP ME!! SEND ME SOME BOOTLEG, particulary the ones from
Fix for 96! I really want them and I will pay the cost of the tape and any
postal fees associated with the mailing of them. j-kube@nh.ultranet.com
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 22:53:47 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: half the world sucks, while the other half blows
Message-ID: <32DC0E7B.6799@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> John Petrucci is absolutely phenomenal, but he HASN'T influenced HALF as
> many musicians as Kurt Cobain.
I guess GW might have done better if they had put "Top 100 Most
*Influential* Guitarists", but the media is noted for using vague tag
lines as a hook to sell you something that you might not otherwise buy.
Yes, GW reached their intended goal. Maybe they ought to reconsider the
intent.
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Influenced yes, but in what way? :) ONE musician influenced by John
Petrucci - an accomplished, formally trained musician with a great
respect for the art form - is worth at least four times as much as HALF
of the musicians influenced by the late Mr. Cobain. The actual math
invloved is beyond the scope of this document and is left as an exercise
for the reader :)
I believe George Carlin said something like "if you think the average
person is stupid, just remember that half the people in the world are
even more stupid than that"
*------------*------------------------*--------------*
| Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
*------------*------------------------*--------------*
P.S. Anyone wanna take Green Bay and give me 13 1/2? :)
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:26:05 -0500
From: Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The Jam...
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970114172559.0068d540@ionsys.com>
I agree with Ben. The list has really gone downhill lately. Granted, at
least there haven't been any stupid debates the last couple of weeks
resulting in about 15 new jams a day.
Anyway, I've been on here for about 2 and a half years now (god, I feel
old), and at one time I was one of the most frequent posters, but now I
can't even remember when I last posted. Why? Because the jam sucks now!
I guess part of it is also that there hasn't been much to be excited about
lately for anyone outside of the NYC area, seeing as back when the Jam was
so good, Awake had just come out and the band was touring.
Part of it seems to be the influx of new Internet users the last couple of
years. It seemed like a while ago we had far more musicians on the list,
and far more talk about music instead of just talk about other bands, and
there was far more information I found useful and interesting.
Damn, you all suck. :) Anyway, I may unsubscribe until the end of school
seeing as I just don't have the time to read all this mail. Or at least
until DT releases their new album and there's some more interesting stuff
to read.
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 18:57:54 -0500 (EST)
From: WildKoba@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: in search of dt keys music?
Message-ID: <970114184159_878926787@emout10.mail.aol.com>
this goes to craig wuthrich and anyone else interested in dt keys music:
i'm back in business. my encore is up and running! which means my kevin
moore-approved transcription of "wait for sleep" is ready to be sent.
craig- i need the address you want it to go to.
anyone else, email me for more info.
for those doubtful of the veridity of the transcription, as i said, kevin
moore himself saw it, and about 30 or so other ytsejammers approved too, when
they picked it up.
now for business:
re: y kant tori read
in case this hasn't been covered, you can get any one of the various bootleg
copies at most import music shops. easy to find. mine also has some live
stuff from her 92 tour, and "song for eric" the tune kevin moore covered.
as for finding an original, good fucking luck. her label only made a few
thousand then, and have long been out of print. there's about 7 or 8 versions
of the album now, and they're all boots. but hey- you get the album, why
complain?
to ripzero, in search of old prince:
i have a boot from 86 that is pretty interesting. if interested email me
rick audet:
nice job pulling out the musician's paper article. wow. used to read that
ages ago..funny shit. and i'm sure i'm into petrucci's "detailed strumming".
what the fuck is that supposed to mean? does he look good while strumming.
does he do it like a renaissance artist would, with panache? i'm sure one of
the sicker-minded jammers can answer it (whoever that was with the "bafu on
the rubber doll with the 'to grandma's or bust' sticker or whatver" is a good
example), though.
ok. enough shit. peace out.
ytsegoon
5 cd's every goon can dig:
a) john zorn- locus solus
b) james brown- live at the apollo
c) mr. mister- welcome to the real world
d) david bowie- outside
e) john coltrane- meditations
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 19:05:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Drummnstan@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: half the world sucks, while the other half blows
Message-ID: <970114190503_1377366223@emout01.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 1/14/97 11:29:49 PM, you wrote:
<<> John Petrucci is absolutely phenomenal, but he HASN'T influenced HALF as
> many musicians as Kurt Cobain.>>
and this id all attributed to the BIG_WIG record executives who decide whats
hot for the general public, this is the reason why so many people list Kurt
Cocaine as an influence cause at one point that was all you saw or heard on
EMPTYV and the radio, people were never given the chance to hear what other
people were doing with instruments(Other than power chords and things of that
nature) if it was the record companies deciding that people wouldnt be able
to follow something that goes from 9/8 to 5/4 and so on and that they could
only follow something that is much simplier that that is a huge insult to
everyone.
Laterz,
Stan
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 19:15:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Drummnstan@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: The Jam...
Message-ID: <970114190042_2056332534@emout10.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 1/14/97 11:26:42 PM, you wrote:
<<I agree with Ben. The list has really gone downhill lately. Granted, at
least there haven't been any stupid debates the last couple of weeks
resulting in about 15 new jams a day.>>
so leave,
Part of it seems to be the influx of new Internet users the last couple of
years. It seemed like a while ago we had far more musicians on the list,
and far more talk about music instead of just talk about other bands, and
there was far more information I found useful and interesting.
hence my screenname i am a musician, i agree with you on this point.
And::
Damn, you all suck. :) Anyway, I may unsubscribe until the end of school
seeing as I just don't have the time to read all this mail. Or at least
until DT releases their new album and there's some more interesting stuff
to read.
Uhhhhhhhh, no on the sucking thing, if thats your attitude then please pack
your Ytse-suitcase and check out of the hotel, but don't accuse everyone else
of sucking especially when you yourself admitted to not posting in a LONG
time, maybe its just your effervessant posting presence that had made the jam
as good as you had said it was, personally i (IMO<IMO<IMO) think this list it
great, its not moderated, and there are many interesting topics that come up.
Sooooooooooooooooooo, i guess that sums it up, maybe you Should unsub if we
are giving your eyes the extremely painful displeasure of talking in an open
forum.
Laterz,
Stan
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 16:17:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Ronnie <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Marillion/DT & Boots/Ian GillAn/YKTR
Message-ID: <199701150017.QAA09211@iceland.it.earthlink.net>
Here we go again!
About Marillion: I have a couple of videos of them in concert from 1983 and
87 and I think both of them are really good. Very Prog though and not heavy
at all. If you're looking for prog music with Metal influences then
Marillion may not be your kind of band. But if you enjoy classic prog along
the lines of Hackett era Genesis then I would recommend them.
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>I thought DT encouraged bootlegs?
Not at all! Mike Portnoy doesn't mind them and if you check Mike Bahr's list
of paid CD's you usually see Mike P with three spots taken. The rest of the
band is not happy with them.
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>Y Kant Tori Read cost a fortune? I saw a copy or two a few
>months ago for $25, new. How is the sound quality? I'm not
>a "fan", but I do like a lot of her stuff.
This happens. I bought a used Freddie Mercury CD for $9 and then I see the
same one on the Queen list and it's being sold for $225!!!! I wish I wasn't
such a big Queen fan or I'd sell that bad boy. But I can't bring myself to it.
I have the Bootleg of YKTR and it sounds like a regular disc to me, that's
why I wasn't sure if it was a boot or legit. It also has some bonus trax
which are:
1. Ode to The Banana King (part one)
2. Song For Eric
3. Happy Phantom (live)
4. Ring My Bell
5. The Happy Worker
6. Workers
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>Ian Gillan has been mostly on and off with Deep Purple since 'In
>Rock. He's not the original singer but has been with them the
>longest. I don't have it yet, but from what I hear he's on
>Purpendicular as well (their latest release).
Rod Evans was the original singer and YES! Ian IS the singer on DP's latest
disc, Purpendicular. For the Dixie Dregs fans, Steve Morse plays guitar on
this disc and from what I've heard of it you can sure hear his influence on
this disc.
"Blood stained the sun red today."
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 20:21:49 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: half the world sucks, while the other half blows
Message-ID: <32DC312D.1EBD@caribe.net>
Drummnstan@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/14/97 11:29:49 PM, you wrote:
>
> <<> John Petrucci is absolutely phenomenal, but he HASN'T influenced HALF as
> > many musicians as Kurt Cobain.>>
>
> and this id all attributed to the BIG_WIG record executives who decide whats
> hot for the general public, this is the reason why so many people list Kurt
> Cocaine as an influence cause at one point that was all you saw or heard on
> EMPTYV and the radio,
and also.. like me.. it was easy to be influenced by cobain..cuz his
music was so simple.. id love for my guitar playing to be influenced by
JP, but since hes such a virtuoso..then id have to practically do some
stuff similar to him... then that way is much harder..while Kurt's stuff
was SO easy than anyone could pick it up in a week..therefore spawning
many kurt-like players (including myself before i realized alternative
was no music for a person who really wanted to be a proficient
guitarrist)
Seize the day, I heard him say :
"Life will not always be this way,
Look around...hear the sounds...
Cherish your life,while you're still around... "
<Dream Theater: A Change Of Seasons>
WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy
mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net
mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 19:42:06 +0000
From: uio.satnet.net@uio.satnet.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: MIKE PORTNOY DRUM TRANSCRIPTIONS
Message-ID: <199701142236.TAA02808@uio>
I personnaly don't know if there are
complete Mike Portnoy drum transcriptions books of an specific album,
and if you find out that such threasures do really exist, please let
me know.What I do know is that Mike recently released his first
instructional video.....WOW, that must be incredible. If the odd times
cause you problems (9/8, or most commonly used by Mike, 11/8), you can
ask for some one to lend you the John Petrucci's Guitar transcriptions
to AWAKE and IAW. These books do exist, and in each phrase of each
song, the time in which it is played by the guys is specified, so you
can just apply them to your drumming. However, there ARE some drum
transcriptions I've seen for MP grooves "available": the only problem
is that they just show you the basic battern of the song, but maybe
you'll find it useful. The first one I know appears in an article of
Modern Drummer Magazine, on the December 93 issue, on page 48,
article named: Mike Portnoy, off the record, IAW. Here you'll find the
basic rythm patterns for PMU, TTT, Surrounded, and UAGMoon. The second
one I know appears on the Sabian 1995 Newsbeat Catalog, on page 20,
where Mike's personal transcription to the 6:00 basic splash groove
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 19:42:06 +0000
From: uio.satnet.net@uio.satnet.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: how to get some DT drum tramscriptions
Message-ID: <199701142236.TAA02814@uio>
Hi Daniel!!!
My name is Jose Luis Baez Escudero, I live in Quito, Ecuador, South
America, and I'm a progressive drummer since 1993. About those Dt
drum transcriptions yous asked about on the list:
I personnaly don't know if there are
complete Mike Portnoy drum transcriptions books of an specific album,
and if you find out that such threasures do really exist, please let
me know.What I do know is that Mike recently released his first
instructional video.....WOW, that must be incredible. If the odd times cause you problems (9/8, or most
commonly used by Mike, 11/8), you can ask for some one to lend you
the John Petrucci's Guitar transcriptions to AWAKE and IAW. These
books do exist, and in each phrase of each
song, the time in which it is played by the guys is specified, so you
can just apply them to your drumming.
However, there ARE some drum transcriptions I've seen for MP grooves
"available":
the only problem is that they just show you the basic battern of the
song, but maybe you'll find it useful. The first one I know appears
in an article of Modern Drummer Magazine, on the December 93 issue,
on page 48, article named: Mike Portnoy, off the record, IAW. Here
you'll find the basic rythm patterns for PMU, TTT, Surrounded, and
UAGMoon. The second one I know appears on the Sabian 1995 Newsbeat
Catalog, on page 20, where Mike's personal transcription to the 6:00
basic splash groove. If you can't find those articles, just tell me
and I'll send you by ordinary mail a copy of them
I'll be glad to share with you all other kind of info concerned with
DT, MP or RUSH, so please tell me where do you live, do you speak
spanish, how old are you, and answer me to the following address:
jescuder@uio.satnet.net
CHAO
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