YTSEJAM Digest 2186
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Singers; music en vogue
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
2) Re: half the world sucks, while the other half blows
by Michael Kohne <mhkohne@discordia.org>
3) hello again
by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
4) GC Hidden Tracks
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
5) Basses and Tiles
by "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu>
6) Re: boot-leg favor
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
7) I have resurfaced!
by breitweg@fusebox.hanse.de (Jason T. Breitweg)
8) Re: half the world sucks, while the other half blows
by Drummnstan@aol.com
9) Metropolis(oh my freakin' god)
by Swanson <swanson@henge.com>
10) NDTC: TORI AMOS YKTR
by yanos <yanos@netwizards.net>
11) Re: Echolyn and BH pictures
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
12) Re: Marillion/DT & Boots/Ian GillAn/YKTR
by Drummnstan@aol.com
13) new braindance cd
by "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@avalon.net>
14) Re: Ray Gillen's demise
by Scott Cook <skooc@earthlink.net>
15) Attention all Canadians! (NDTC)
by Kevin Villines <kvill@flash.net>
16) Shitsejam
by Scott Cook <skooc@earthlink.net>
17) DT and boots
by zack@lsil.com (zack gemmill)
18) Re:RedneX, DT's version of Trooper (Iron Maiden), 'tages from
by Olli-Pekka Komonen <op777@freenet.hut.fi>
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2182
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 19:47:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Singers; music en vogue
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970114194309.17975A-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
Lower-voiced singers who are relatively good exist. Check out
Testament. I think, though, that the human voice enjoys higher voiced,
men at least, more. More tennors who sing opera are famous and more
tennors who sing broadway are recognized. I don't think James Hettfield
has a high voice, though and he is the shit.
As for the response to my saying that talent will be popular again,
Mr. Cashman, I believe you are listening to music and talking to your
friends, if I can be so bold as to refer to us as such, as we post. Maybe
you don't listen to it with that sole purpose in mind, but isn't it neat
to share ideas and theories about music? I think deep down you think so,
or you wouldn't have subscribed in the first place. Gentle rebuke, not
flaming. Be well.
Matt B
"The dead are rarely violent." (Shawn Rosenheim, Asst. Prof. Williams College)
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 20:07:27 -0500
From: Michael Kohne <mhkohne@discordia.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: half the world sucks, while the other half blows
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970114200523.006d6c18@techno.discordia.org>
At 04:13 PM 1/14/97 -0800, Stan wrote:
>
>In a message dated 1/14/97 11:29:49 PM, you wrote:
>
><<> John Petrucci is absolutely phenomenal, but he HASN'T influenced HALF as
>> many musicians as Kurt Cobain.>>
>
>and this id all attributed to the BIG_WIG record executives who decide whats
>hot for the general public, this is the reason why so many people list Kurt
>Cocaine as an influence cause at one point that was all you saw or heard on
>EMPTYV and the radio, people were never given the chance to hear what other
>people were doing with instruments(Other than power chords and things of that
>nature) if it was the record companies deciding that people wouldnt be able
>to follow something that goes from 9/8 to 5/4 and so on and that they could
>only follow something that is much simplier that that is a huge insult to
>everyone.
You know, I think some people on this list are forgetting what record
companies are for: Making money for the owners/shareholders/whatever. The
easiest way for a company to make money in the US today is to produce more
of the same, because the general US public WANT more of the same. The same
thing is true in the book publishing industry - the books that make the
most dependable money are the ones that are written by established authors
doing the same thing they've always done. People who's style changes
completely with everything they do don't always make money. Therefore, a
big record company is going to prefer the dependable guy who don't
innovate, or do anything that different from all the other bands that his
label owns.
Now I'm not saying this is good or anything, but it's the way a free market
economy works - the producers produce more of what they KNOW they can sell,
taking as few chances as are needed to keep going forward.
Just a reality check...
-- Michael Kohne mhkohne@discordia.org mhkohne@moberg.com "Evolution is just God's version of domino rally"------------------------------
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 21:11:18 -0500 From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: hello again Message-ID: <v01540b00af01eb76f702@[128.197.8.180]>
To those who know who I am, I'm back. This might be too late, but I'd like to comment on a few recent threads. One of the best female bands is called Phantom Blue. (I don't think they've been mentioned yet.) They are from Los Angeles and have about three albums (although only one is on a major label). They are an ass-kicking heavy rock band. Their music is fairly complicated, though it isn't prog. Their most heavily-circulated album, 1993's _Built to Perform, was produced by Max Norman (Megadeth, Ozzy Osbourne, etc.). About the "nineties" line in "Learning to Live:" that is one of the only problems I have with that song. The rest of the whole damn album is timeless, but when they throw an awkward line in like that, they unnecessarily date it. Finally, are there any Queensryche fan club members on here that have that live video that came out? I've been looking for information on it. Thank you and good night.
Jeff Falk Box 3208 700 Commonwealth Avenue Boston, Massachusetts 02215 (617) 352-8639 jefffalk@bu.edu
"Humility is not a recognition of one's failings, but a rejection of morality. "I am no good" is a statement that may be uttered only in the past tense. To say: "I am no good" is to declare: "--and I never intend to be any better." Ayn Rand, _The Ayn Rand Letter_
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 21:38:31 -0500 (EST) From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: GC Hidden Tracks Message-ID: <v01520d00af01ac0d72af@[207.90.116.52]>
There are a pain...and actually, the band had nothing to do with them being hidden.
According to Monty, they were supposed to be normal tracks, but somebody with power at DGC had a the "brilliant" idea...
"the orders came from high above they say..." -QR, O:M
Dan
---+ +--- Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm@erinet.com / s1133627@cedarville.edu "Home of the Galactic Cowboys Page" http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm ---+ +---
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 21:39:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Basses and Tiles Message-ID: <199701150239.VAA61986@pilot09.cl.msu.edu>
I've been feeling rather talkative lately...
I recently picked up a bass and even though it's already a done deal, I'd like to know what people think of the Ibanez EX series basses. I picked it up used for $199. It's got pearl right angle triangle inlays, a rosewood fretboard, one p-style and one j-style pickup, and the standard 3 knobs. Any opinions on the line or ideas which particular models this is? I can't find any info on the EX line anywhere.
For those of you into Tiles, the Detroit prog band, the new CD, Fence the Clear, will be out in March or April. Apparently it has been ready for awhile, but got tied up in failed negotiations with Magna Carta(!). They will be playing some Detroit shows to test out the new material under the fake name of Camel Toe in late Feb. or early March, so keep an eye out for them. For those who don't know the band, if you're a fan of Enchant and Rush style prog rock, you will definitely dig these guys. Email me and I'll let you know more. BTW, for anyone who gets their newsletter, yes, that was my review that was posted to the 'Jam reprinted! Cool, huh? :)
Andrew
-- garinger@pilot.msu.edu Zeta Beta Tau-Beta Epsilon Chapter
"Assumption is the mother of all f*ckups..."
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 21:39:42 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: boot-leg favor Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970114213749.17683A-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
Friends, Would anyone be willing totape every unreleased (albom-wise) song for me off the boot-legs if I sent a tape? I'd really like to hear the instrumentals, but I just ain't got any money. If I did, I'd be saving for an IBNS JP100 and a more decent amp. Please! Please! Please! Respond. Be well. Matt B
"The dead are rarely violent." (Shawn Rosenheim, Asst. Prof. Williams College)
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 22:23:59 GMT From: breitweg@fusebox.hanse.de (Jason T. Breitweg) Subject: I have resurfaced! Message-ID: <ub20bnopz4.fsf@fusebox.hanse.de>
Hi everyone,
Just to let some people that might have been looking for me know that I have finally moved to Germany. I had some trouble with my e-mail box filling up but I just wanted to tell people that I haven't written to in a while that I will get back to you very very soon (I hope *grin*).
So take care everyone and I will be in touch from here in Germany. The land of metal. Feb. and March look like great months for shows with most weeks having more than one show per week. Oh how I love Hamburg!
Anyway I am out of here, Tschuess.
Jason -- Jason Breitweg --> breitweg@fusebox.hanse.de, breitweg@amzeus.desy.de http://lobelia.physics.wisc.edu/jbreitwe, http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg "The Gods Made Heavy Metal And It's Never Gonna Die!" - MANOWAR
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 22:22:53 -0500 (EST) From: Drummnstan@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: half the world sucks, while the other half blows Message-ID: <970114222247_1824428850@emout19.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 1/15/97 1:20:45 AM, you wrote:
<<You know, I think some people on this list are forgetting what record companies are for: Making money for the owners/shareholders/whatever. The easiest way for a company to make money in the US today is to produce more of the same, >>
this is true that is why it is called the Music industry, its a cash cow, look at the auto industry, what do they do, put out cars that fall apart in 5 years to make cash off of them, at least music doesnt technically fall apart in 5 years.
Laterz, Stan
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Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 20:36:51 -0600 From: Swanson <swanson@henge.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Metropolis(oh my freakin' god) Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970101023651.006a9ac4@henge.com>
Hey, jammers, it's been a while.
My school percussion ensemble received music for Metropolis today. All I can say is that we really have our work cut out for us. There are parts that I can't play on guitar that I have to play on marimba. I also get the bass solo. This is going to be one hell of a semester, and I am soooooooooo pumped up for it!!
Again, if you want to recieve a tape of the performance in the event that we get a good recording, just drop me a line. Due to time limits we had to cut the song down to seven minutes. I hope no one is too dissapointed.
Everybody have a rockus time now!!
later, Cory
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 19:40:49 -0800 From: yanos <yanos@netwizards.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NDTC: TORI AMOS YKTR Message-ID: <32DC51C1.51E9@netwizards.net>
Somebody said that they saw a couple copies of YKTR new? For $25? If so you are the luckiest person in the world as MANY Toriphiles, such as myself, would be willing to do almost anything for this cd new. However, i am willing to wager almost anything that these are boots for 3 main reasons:
1) This CD was originally released in a cardboard longbox (remember these??)
2) There are about 4 boots of this cd out there and 2 are exact detail for detail copies with the only discerning markings being the jewel case inserts. These inserts are slightly, and i mean SLIGHTLY, different from the original because the paper is not the same grade and the printing is a bit off center.
3) And last but not least, this cd gets between $100-$250 USED! Yes it has been seen by a member of a tori mailing list last weekend at a record show for $250 used! I also read that a sealed longbox version sold about a year and a half ago for $500 at some rock memorabilia auction!
Trust me when i say that these are boots as i am 99.99% sure they are. i almost bought one of the exact copies but it was going for $30.00. There are very few record stores that dont know of the value of this album. Even though its a boot, its a great CD!
cheers-
yanos
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 21:11:58 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Echolyn and BH pictures Message-ID: <199701150422.VAA07127@cyberhighway.net>
> Hey group!!! After the crappy day I just had, I have > to share some good news. I found a used Echolyn > cd that I can sell. It is: As The World. It is an > excellent cd. The music kicks serious butt!!! > If you want it, e-mail ME at gsrockr@en.com. > I would like to get $7.00 for it.
Anyone alse want one and I'll send it to ya for the same. I don't wanna compete or nothin, but I never was able to get into 'em. BTW, I guess I should count myself lucky for findin' Stu Hamm's Kings of Sleep. This guy rocks. That Prelude in C is pretty rad, I gotta kick back and jam to it again.
> Lower-voiced singers who are relatively good exist. Check out > Testament. I think, though, that the human voice enjoys higher voiced, > men at least, more. More tennors who sing opera are famous and more > tennors who sing broadway are recognized. I don't think James Hettfield > has a high voice, though and he is the shit.
Yeah, yeah, Chuck Billy rocks. I think his best work was on The Ritual, where he did some nifty harmonizing and wasn't so growly. The whole CD rokz. That's about the only one I REALLY like, but the rest of them are pretty good, more speed-metalish than what I like to listen to.. The acoustic tracks on Live at the Fillmore rule. Nuff about that...
Nuff fer now... KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore) ibanez@cyberhighway.net "Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to." --David Arkenstone
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:24:05 -0500 (EST) From: Drummnstan@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Marillion/DT & Boots/Ian GillAn/YKTR Message-ID: <970114221727_946066665@emout13.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 1/15/97 12:25:13 AM, you wrote:
<< Not at all! Mike Portnoy doesn't mind them and if you check Mike Bahr's list of paid CD's you usually see Mike P with three spots taken. The rest of the band is not happy with them.>>
MP doesn't mind those 3 spots because Mike Bahr give s those to him as a complementary thing, just shows how nice a guy MB is, coures MP must be nice to cause he could just as easily put the kiabash on all of that but at least he and the band are cool with it.
Laterz, Stan
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:10:02 +0000 From: "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@avalon.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: new braindance cd Message-ID: <199701150510.FAA06799@avalon.net>
i hear that braindance has a new cd out, yet i'm unable to find it. i tried the laser's edge, which is where i bought "fear itself", but they're not aware of it. if anyone of you kind folks would happen to know where this disc may be found, i'd greatly appreciate some help, as these guys are amoung my favorite bands. btw, the new cd is titled 'can of worms'.
and for those who don't know, braindance is, well, by their own definition 'progressive new age gothic metal fusion'. i call them amazing. their singer has one of the most incredible voices.. very dark and disturbing, yet he sings, doesn't growl or scream. has an amazing range as well. mix very tight drums and bass with incredible guitar work and atmospheric keys and alot of samples, along with alot of acoustic textures and gothic sound... i guess i should also mention, not that it makes a difference to me but to some it may, that the guitarist is a woman. and imo, she blows away most of the guitarists i've heard. very original style and approach. well, to my ear anyway. they're very progressive, and to my knowledge, unsigned, making the already great production to the album that much more impressive. they're definitely worth checking out. as i said above, the last i knew you could get "fear itself", which is the disc i have, from the laser's edge. email: lasercd@aol.com
well, that's it. again, i'd appreciate any help on locating their new one.
-Andrew
oh, and my addition to the "sucks" debate... the above post is an example of a way to convince someone that a band you like is worth checking out. saying "they kick ass" or "they rule" isn't exactly descriptive... same goes for criticism. think about that before you post. thanks. :)
Andrew Miller - keyboardist/vocalist - subtlerage http://www.avalon.net/~subtlerage - subtlerage@avalon.net
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 21:14:45 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cook <skooc@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Ray Gillen's demise Message-ID: <199701150514.VAA11119@denmark.it.earthlink.net>
I asked a question on the Van Halen list about what Ray Gillen died of and this is what i got from a guy who is pretty well respected on the list. And if anyone here is on the VH list you know how hard it is for anyone to get any kind of respect at all.
>The story I heard was that he had some kind of collapse of his stomach >lining brought on by poor general health and drinking too much. I guess >there's a million stories, huh?
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:25:31 -0600 From: Kevin Villines <kvill@flash.net> To: YtseJam Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Attention all Canadians! (NDTC) Message-ID: <32DC6A4B.7DF8@flash.net>
I have recently come to the realization that their are a few CDs I need to pick up that are only available in Canada at this time. I'll waste no more space than necessary, so any of my fellow jammers north of the border who want to help, E-Mail me at kvill@flash.net It will be worth your while! Thanks, Kevin.
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 21:28:18 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cook <skooc@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Shitsejam Message-ID: <199701150528.VAA12504@denmark.it.earthlink.net>
Lars bellowed:
>I agree with Ben. The list has really gone downhill lately.
[snip]
Anyway, I've been on here for about 2 and a half years now (god, I feel old), and at one time I was one of the most frequent posters, but now I can't even remember when I last posted. Why? Because the jam sucks now!
[rest deleted]
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out! If you don't have something to contribute other than whining that the Jam sucks then I guess it's time to move on. Maybe you should try Martyr's mailing list.
Scott
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 21:24:30 PST From: zack@lsil.com (zack gemmill) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT and boots Message-ID: <9701150524.AA20231@fas2>
>I thought DT encouraged bootlegs?
Not at all! Mike Portnoy doesn't mind them and if you check Mike Bahr's list of paid CD's you usually see Mike P with three spots taken. The rest of the band is not happy with them.
Actually, Mike's thing is collecting boots of their performances (I think he asked me once what boots I had of them). Hell, he records/tapes a lot of their shows. James used to hate them, but I think he tolerates them now. As far as I know, JP still hates them.
Zach
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:19:14 +0200 (EET) From: Olli-Pekka Komonen <op777@freenet.hut.fi> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re:RedneX, DT's version of Trooper (Iron Maiden), 'tages from Message-ID: <199701150719.JAA17521@freenet.hut.fi>
>Since the X Band thing won't die, here's another one. While brousing >through the usual crap selection of CD's at Wal-Mart the other night I >ran across a band called "RedneX." The Cd title was "Sex and Violins." >No I didn't buy it and doubt that I'll be sorry about that decision. > > ~Matt
Nope, you won't regret. This is a Swedish techno/country band, and horrible! The only good part with them is that when they were having a gig here in Finland, my friends who had a band called Chainflesh at time (excellent proggy trash like Tourniquet but with the most incredible shouter ever, Anselmo, Cavalera or anyone sounds like a wimpy choirboy compared to him) Anyhow guys just went in and told to bouncer that they were playing there tonight and got in for free...
Now on to something different... I have a tape of a radioshow where DT plays Iron Maiden's Trooper a little bit, and Kevin Moore sings on it. This made me a huge impact, even though I am not a Maiden fan but have they played it elsewhere? Even though I love JLB, I have never heard him sing like KM, and if he sings more on the whole version - if there is one - I want it!!! BTW- Dan if you don't have this you want it, 'cuz they are playing Space in your face by GC...
-OP
PS: Did everyone get their From gutter to stage with a patch like i did? ------------------------------------------------------------- Olli-Pekka Komonen snail:Kutojantie 2, 13720 Parola, Finland e-mail: op777@freenet.hut.fi phone:+358-3-6715036 ------------------------------------------------------------- "YOUTAKEMYLIFEANDI'LLTAKEYOUR'STOO!!!" -Kevin Moore "Very positive message" -James LaBrie -------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 02:31:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2182 Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.970115021321.34838B-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Mon, 13 Jan 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote: > > Warrant has a new, short album(45 min) out. I'm still up in the > air on the sound. I think that maybe they are trying to get a bit > alternative., but that is just me. Anybody else heard it yet? > It's called Warrant 96, "Belly to Belly"
Wow!!! I can't believe someone brought up the subject of Warrant on the jam and it wasn't me!!! I bought "Belly To Belly" the day it came out and I was not disappointed. Sure, it sounds different. When speaking of selling out, take into consideration the fact that at the time of its release, Warrant has been together for ten years and boasts a new line-up (Bobby Borg on drums and Rick Steir on lead guitar, who also played on "Ultraphobic"). Jani Lane himself has been quoted as saying that it is a difficult line to toe between being a hard rock band from the 80s and being credible in the 90s. I think that if any album sounds too forced it is "Ultraphobic," and I'm not only talking about it's poor production qualities. There were some amazing songs on that album: "Sum Of One," "Crawlspace (one of my fav. Warrant songs), " High" the title-track, and "Stronger Now." The rest seemed to be way too grungy. "Belly To Belly" has less of grunge feel to it and more of a brit-pop feel (ie. Oasis and some Bowie). In all honesty, speaking as a diehard Warrant fan, "Belly 2 Belly" took a little while to grow on me. I liked some of the songs immediatley like "Letter To A Friend," "A.Y.M.," "Vertigo," "All 4 U." But now, I LOVE that album. Even "Feels Good," which I couldn't stand at first, is an album highlight for me. The only song I absolutely can't stand on it is "Coffee House." They should have dropped it, as well as that reggae thing "Nobody Else." Oh, BTW, I caught the new lineup this new year's eve at the Troubador in LA. What an amazing show!! Bobby Borg is an animal. He went to Berklee and it shows (I know, I know...Berklee is no fucking guarantee). And surprisingly , Rick Steir fit in like a glove.
Richie
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