YTSEJAM Digest 2189
Today's Topics:
1) Ytsewomen (from one)
by Quazel Schmirt <jmlentch@mailbox.syr.edu>
2) Re: Jams sucking
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
3) Steve Morse - NDTC
by "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
4) EVH/DLR - NDTC!!!
by "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
5) Women need to CHILL!
by Seymour Butz <skooc@earthlink.net>
6) Van Halen rumors/Man's list
by Seymour Butz <skooc@earthlink.net>
7) New DT Thread
by michael.bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
8) Re: Low Metal Vocals
by Santiago Leon <sleon@mail.vt.edu>
9) Re: Making the Jam interesting
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
10) DT Cover Band
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
11) Re: Low Metal Vocals
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2187
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
13) This Tull-bashing must cease.../Music of the '90s fun
by "Brian Henderson" <Robert.Henderson@icdc.com>
14) Re: Cobain, Steve Morse
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
15) Bootquestion
by "Brian Henderson" <Robert.Henderson@icdc.com>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2188
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
17) Re: DT Cover Band
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:37:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Quazel Schmirt <jmlentch@mailbox.syr.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Ytsewomen (from one)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970115173450.20277A-100000@forbin.syr.edu>
For all of the women complaining about the 'sexist' post, come on, even I
laughed at that. It wasn't meant as a gender thing, it was for a laugh
and a lot of it was true. I am not sure that it belonged on the jam but
don't attack the sender for the content, it was meant in good fun.
Jill --------- Quazel
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:59:03 PST
From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Jams sucking
Message-ID: <199701152305.XAA149107@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 01/15/97 1:55pm -0800
Hey everyone,
If the Jam sucks, then I'd be having an orgy with all the jams
I haven't read yet.
Mark
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W.A.S.P. - The Crimson Idol
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Date: 15 Jan 97 14:57:51 -0800
From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Steve Morse - NDTC
Message-ID: <199701152339.PAA16574@mailsun3-fddi.us.oracle.com>
Incidentally, if you are interested in Steve Morse, I suggest you buy his disc
"High Tension Wires." All his stuff is amazing, but I think this is his
masterpiece. The compositions are absolutely beautiful, very moving, and the
layered textures of keyboard, acoustic guitar, and electric classical-style
harmonic melodies (see "Country Colors") are phenomenal. The first four songs
on this disc absolutely captivate me with their beauty. Then, of course,
there's the tune "Tumeni Notes", on which Steve blazes an odd-timed
neoclassical type melody (he plays this in his instructional video). And the
disc finishes with "Modoc," a gorgeous classical-type piece in a major key
played on a single acoustic guitar. The man is simply amazing, and it is on
this disc that he demonstrates an uncompromising gift for creating beautiful
melodies and harmonies.
There, was that better than "Morse rules!!" ???
-Neil.
PS - Oh yeah, and for those of you who aren't familiar with him check out his
work on the working man tribute. Plays lead guitar on that AWESOME version of
Red Barchetta with JLB singing, also plays some of the parts on La Villa
Strangiato.
"It's not really a talent. It's an obsession. I'm obsessed with music. I'm
selfish. I'm a sick fuck." -Edward Van Halen, June 1984
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Date: 15 Jan 97 14:40:13 -0800
From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: EVH/DLR - NDTC!!!
Message-ID: <199701152343.PAA17680@mailsun3-fddi.us.oracle.com>
Bafu wrote:
>Almost as amusing as that "David Lee Roth Is Back In Our Band" rumor, huh?
>Hahahaha that sure was a good one. What crap, I can't believe everyone
>fell for that, I mean the information only came out of Eddie Van Halen's
>MOUTH.
Not true. Eddie received a call from Dave about what songs were going to be
on the greatest hits album. He asked Dave if he was interested in recording a
couple songs, ONLY FOR THE GREATEST HITS. At no time did he tell Dave that he
was back in the band. In fact, he and the other members had to constantly
remind Dave that it was a temporary thing. I think "baby steps" is the quote
they were using. The deal was two songs, and videos for those songs (which
were never made because of the bad feelings re-aroused between the two). On a
humorous note, Eddie said that DLR pulled a muscle rehearsing for the tour,
and Eddie was like "what tour?!?"
When they received that standing ovation at the MTV awards, Dave pretty much
assumed he had the spot. The fact is, ironically, that his behavior at the
awards is a large part of why they did not continue working with him. He was
being his campy self, and it just wasn't working anymore. He also made a
pretty nasty comment to Eddie in between interviews backstage, something to
the tune of: "Enough about your hip, motherfucker, this night is about ME!"
The other part is that his voice is shot. It took weeks for them to squeeze
the two vocal tracks out of him that you hear on the greatest hits album. Yet
still Eddie called Dave "a real trooper" in the studio.
Incidentally, if Eddie and the boys were the publicity-seeking assholes that
many have tried to make them out to be, then they would have toured with Roth
and made the countless millions that were waved in front of their faces.
Instead, Eddie said it would have been an insult to his fans: VH is not a
nostalgia act (like Kiss), and Roth was not in good form. Before the
re-breakup, he stated that IF they ever toured with Roth again it would be
AFTER putting out a new album.
I'm sick of hearing uninformed people make blanket comments about this
situation. The situation was handled poorly by the band's management, and
some of the recent mudslinging has been ugly, admittedly. I've waded through
a lot of crap on the VH list for months to get the kind of inside information
that I have about the topic, and I've heard every possible perspective on the
matter. There are still many matters for debate, and many assumptions that
can only be made on the basis of opinion. However, why would Eddie lie about
this? What does he have to gain? I think his attitude of late has been
absolutely stellar: If people only want to hear the Roth stuff, then buy the
old records and listen to them. If they only want to hear the Sammy stuff,
then buy those records. If they're willing to give Gary a shot, then give it
a listen and support the band if you like the MUSIC. The bottom line is that
Eddie's going to do what HE thinks is best for the band and himself as a
musician. As always, he's saying "just shut the fuck up and listen to the
MUSIC." Say what you want about EVH, but there has scarcely been a musician
who is more purely and wholeheartedly devoted to the art of creating music. I
think on this list that we can all agree that any other approach to making
music smacks of selling out. The sad thing is that there are many VH fans who
think Eddie OWES them something, and that he should listen to their blubbering
complaints about what to do with the band. I can't wait until they get out
and perform with Gary - they're going to kick ass like few bands can. Oh
yeah, and there's no way there would ever be a Van Halen without Mikey.
dissolving into the shadows from whence he came,
-Neil.
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:08:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Seymour Butz <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: The Jam Sucks! <Ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Women need to CHILL!
Message-ID: <199701160008.QAA27762@cyprus.it.earthlink.net>
That list that Vince posted came from another mailing list. I was going to
post it myself but chickened out at the last minute because we got a lot of
Politically correct idiots around here that freak out every time someone
tries to share something humorous.
Let me put this another way:
IT WAS A JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Try not to take everything so personal.
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:19:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Seymour Butz <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Van Halen rumors/Man's list
Message-ID: <199701160019.QAA28904@cyprus.it.earthlink.net>
The rumor about Billy Sheehan and VH started because Eddie did a benefit for
ALS in Chicago and the Band Eddie had was called Lou Brutus or something
like that and the bass player for the set was Billy Sheehan.
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About the Man's list. That was the most disgusting, offensive, vulgar,
racist, sexist, bigoted, intolerant, stereotypical pile of filth I've ever
seen.
Anyone who reads that and has an IQ knows I'm only kidding. I thought it was
just as funny if not even more than the Women's list. I think this place
would be a lot better if we could learn to laugh at ourselves once in a
while and not be so sensitive all the time.
Scott
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 19:35:38 -0500
From: michael.bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New DT Thread
Message-ID: <199701160031.TAA05631@mail.trincoll.edu>
Hey Guys!
I just got back from winter break and heard that the jam is a
little quiet right now, so I was wondering what ideas you all might have
for the following question...
If you had to pick five musicians from any style of music to
perform a concert of Dream Theater covers, who would they be? Here are
mine...
Sebastian Bach--Vocals
Shawn Lane--Guitar
Jordan Rudess--Keyboards
Victor Wooten(Bela Fleck and the Flecktones)--Bass
Terry Bozzio--Drums
Oh my God...I've created a monster!
-Mike Bradley
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 19:42:39 -0500
From: Santiago Leon <sleon@mail.vt.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Low Metal Vocals
Message-ID: <32DD797F.77DB@mail.vt.edu>
> On 14 Jan 97, svjohnson@amoco.com wrote about "Low Metal Vocals":
>
> > My girlfriend asked me the other day why metal singers need to
> > sing so high up in the vocal range. I didn't really have a
> > good answer for this. I just kinda said that metal is
> > aggressive and powerful and I never met anyone getting a good
> > yell out of their body in the lower registers. Anyone else?
>
> Errrr... try the "sell-out" James Hetfield as I believe you would
> have him known...
why don't you try heavier-thrashier metal.. like korn, pantera or
sepultura.. they go all the way down!...
hey!... and don't start with that Metallica-sell-outs crap!... would
ya!...
later
-- +------------------------------+ | | | Santiago A. León | | sleon@mail.vt.edu | | | +------------------------------+------------------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 19:46:50 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Making the Jam interesting Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970115194238.6500B-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
Hard Coppy reports that every member of DT is truly a female alien from beyond the galactic barrier. All instruments are controled by the mother computer aboard their ship, which incidently is orbeting the moon, waiting to take the world by music. Once all people have become phans, we will be lead like cattle to slotter and will be used as food to feed the leader, one KJLB1001-2245. After that, the earth will be populated by rodents who are also vertuosos on guitar, keys, drums, and bass. Singing will be left to the leader, since he is without a doubt the best in the universe. Operation is planned to be fulfilled in the next twenty years... or so rumor has it. Be well. Matt B
"The dead are rarely violent." (Shawn Rosenheim, Asst. Prof. Williams College)
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:09:55 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT Cover Band Message-ID: <199701160109.SAA81436@kitts.u.arizona.edu>
At 04:34 PM 1/15/97 -0800, you wrote: > If you had to pick five musicians from any style of music to >perform a concert of Dream Theater covers, who would they be? Here are >mine... >
Geoff Tate (Queensryche)--Vocals Joe Satriani--Lead Guitar (He's the only one who could pull it off correctly!!) Scott Ian -- Rhythm guitar No one, two guitars is enough (j/k!)-- Keyboards Stu Hamm -- Bass Nick Menza (Megadeth) -- Drums
I dunno about you, but I'd love to see Satch and Ian goin' nuts to "Lie" or "Pull Me Under". Too bad you'd go blind watching 'em w/ those shiny bald heads ;)
I'm just a metalhead guitarist at heart...
Later,
Peace be with you and God bless.
~Vince
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:12:19 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Low Metal Vocals Message-ID: <199701160112.SAA41870@kitts.u.arizona.edu>
At 04:45 PM 1/15/97 -0800, you wrote: >> Errrr... try the "sell-out" James Hetfield as I believe you would >> have him known... > >why don't you try heavier-thrashier metal.. like korn, pantera or >sepultura.. they go all the way down!... > >hey!... and don't start with that Metallica-sell-outs crap!... would >ya!...
Ed was just kidding dude! He's a huge Metallica fan. Just look at how he wrote that one more time.
Peace be with you and God bless.
~Vince
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 19:34:24 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2187 Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970115191617.1706C-100000@enteract.com>
> Has "Scenes From A Memory" begun shipping yet? In case this isn't a joke, I've had mine for MONTHS.
> Well I heard an interesting song last night. It started with a riff played > by Petrucci at that clinic last June. Turns out it's called "Stairway To > Heaven," and now that I've heard it in it's entirety, I can now say I'm a > changed man. Sort of. When Petrucci did that to give an example of what he > heard "every day" while working in a guitar store, everyone burst into > laughter, and I had to sort of sit there and assume it was from something > famous that everyone hated. Or loved. But now it all makes sense.
Why do I bet Bafu gave the "Oh, I get it!" laugh when everyone else was going nuts? This is the thing about Bafu that amazes me... not his wit or intelligence, but the fact that while he possesses a vast wealth of musical knowledge and from what I understand, perhaps an obscene level of proficiency, he's been blind(deaf?) to so much of the music that people like him are expected to know. It's like going to advanced classical lessons and saying "Fernando Sor? Who's albums did he play on?"
> Those Zeppelin guys must be pretty popular...
Possibly my new sig file? > I wish people wouldn't announce that they're leaving...
Is there an echo in here? (echo in here? echo in here?) - Chris Ptacek, AKA Madsman BUY DIABLO (and don't bother to play single player... play one player multiplayer games, so your character has a use!)
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 21:19:16 -0500 From: "Brian Henderson" <Robert.Henderson@icdc.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: This Tull-bashing must cease.../Music of the '90s fun Message-ID: <199701160349.WAA20544@darkstar.icdc.com>
>> Boy, did I go off on a rant there. Sorry.
>Now just take back the shit about Jethro and I'll power down the attack >planes :)
Right on! There's no sense in insulting Jethro Tull just for winning a Grammy in the metal category. There's no denying their talent -- you've got to be doing something right to be a-touring (and writing *new* material) for more than 25 years! Besides, anyone who's been to a modern Tull concert can tell you they're really not *that* far from being metal on some of the songs...
Now, the other subject, with a wee bit of DTC. My Music o' the '90s class! Hooray. Anyhow, every child in the thing has to present a presentation before the class on a band of their choice. I picked Dream Theater (tough choice between them and RUSH, but I figure DT is more of a *'90s* band). Went a little somethin' like this: "Caught In A Web", brief talk, "Ytsejam" minus the drum-solo from de LiT vid. Not too bad a showing. My classmates (aside from a handful, morons, all) did not fare as well.
Here's a boffo game for you and the kids to play at recess. Match up the presenter&featured band with the closing quote from the presentation:
(1) "Dude, he like choked on his *puke*!" (2) "I like them because they write songs that aren't too fast and aren't too slow." (3) "He like writes songs about the streets... 'Cause he lived on the streets... <trails off>" (4) "I'm not a queer!"
(a) Carlos/Michael Jackson (b) Dan/The Eagles (c) Jeff/Jimi Hendrix (d) Dana/2-Pac
Class dismissed.
Brian Henderson, Cyberburlap robert.henderson@icdc.com
"Ah, let's end this charade. The report is over." -- me, my closing quote for a Bio presentation
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 21:34:50 -0500 (EST) From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Cobain, Steve Morse Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970115213523.210f719e@access.mountain.net>
At 01:51 PM 1/15/97 -0800, Jon Parmet wrote: >I suggest picking up "Stand Up" if you can find it. I scooped the vinyl >in a used bin for something like a dollar or two many moon ago. The >wonderfull thing about popularity and talent being uncorrelated is the >correlation to economics :)
I heartilly agree with this. _Stand Up_ was the first Morse album I heard, and is still a bit of a sentimental fav, as I have to agree with whoever said that _High Tenison Wires_ is his masterpiece. The problem with _Stand Up_ is that it is not available on CD, and, according to an interview I read with Steve, probably never will be because of record company shit. Which is a shame, because in addition to great work by Morse (and the only vocals on any Morse album, that I know of), there's also a track with Eric Johnson that is quite cool.
Jonathan Byrne, 1L West Virginia University College of Law rael@access.mountain.net (WormWood or DrNick on IRC) NEW WEBPAGE! http://access.mountain.net/~rael/home.htm ----------------------------------------------------------- "Why not climb a hill with someone who hates you, Why not hate someone who climbs a hill with you?" -"Why Not?", Gentle Giant
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 21:42:53 -0500 From: "Brian Henderson" <Robert.Henderson@icdc.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Bootquestion Message-ID: <199701160413.XAA20677@darkstar.icdc.com>
> "More fun than smashing slugs with a rubber mallet"
I prefer a 9-pound sledge for my mollusc-crushing.
My question, if you'll permit me...
What's the date the boot "No Sleep Since Brooklyn/InstruMENTAL III" was released? Not when it was recorded, but the day/month/year it was made available for purchase. I've been doing some searching, and can't seem to find an answer. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
YKYHACLBW (You Know You Have a Cool Little Brother When) he walks up a flight of stairs just to bring you several Starburst. Hey, the juice is loose... "Plum Passion Chew"? What the hell? This is supposed to be grape!
Brian Henderson, Cyberburlap robert.henderson@icdc.com
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 20:56:37 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2188 Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970115204021.26070A-100000@enteract.com>
> >Thought you all could use a little humor! > > > >>>25 rules for Women: > > > Hello everyone, it's BABS. Here's the #1 rule that I follow: > > 1. Men are nothing, but trouble and heartache - thank God they come > equipped with a wallet.
Because of my built in sense of humor that I got from Bafu Vai as a Christmas present, I was able to laugh at that. See below.
> I don't see women using the jam to rag on men
See above.
> Please tell me you were joking with that load of shit you put on the jam > about > these pathetic rules for women. I guess you think women don't read the jam. > I've got news for you, prog rock is not only for men who think they know every > little detail about what's going on music today. Not all women think night > life involves a trip to the mall shopping for that perfect outfit for the man > of their dreams. I'm sure you were just joking just to provoke someone like me > who would get pissed off at your little "list".
Give it a rest. That list made as much fun of men as it did of women. Lists like that don't cause segregation like racial comments. You're either XX or Xy, and you DEAL with it. Women make fun of men and men make fun of women. Until the list says "Women are incapable of completing traditionally male tasks" or something along those lines you have no exuse to bitch like that.
> I thought at least relative topics were discussed on the > jam. Just so you know their are women out there who know their shit about > music(yes, I am one of them), love sports, drink beer, and just love to hang > out and have a good time.
Actually, that kind of behavior repells me. Lucky you. eh? Or lucky Maddy. :)
Have a beer, smoke a stogie, just don't bitch about somethiing as simple and silly as a list like that.
- Chris "Self Righteous" Ptacek Email me at He-Man Woman Hater@prognosis.com if you want to contest what I've just said. Be prepared to be eaten alive and you'll to fine.
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 22:51:25 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT Cover Band Message-ID: <32DDA5BD.33F1@caribe.net>
Vincent G. LuPone wrote: > > At 04:34 PM 1/15/97 -0800, you wrote: > > If you had to pick five musicians from any style of music to > >perform a concert of Dream Theater covers, who would they be? Here are > >mine...
Id probably put the guys from metallica + a keyboardist and watch them screw up.. :) J/k ..
Devin Townsend (vocals) j/k ..no really Geoff Tate Al Di Meola (hehe,does he play electric?, the only thing i have from him is Guitar Trio) Guitars KevMo- hehe or Jens JOhansson Stu Hamm or Sheehan Neil PEart..
hehe dreaming neaver hurts
Seize the day, I heard him say : "Life will not always be this way, Look around...hear the sounds... Cherish your life,while you're still around... " <Dream Theater: A Change Of Seasons> WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
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