YTSEJAM Digest 2713
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Bad mood songs
by "KorgX3" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
2) Re: YTSEJAM 2.692 * 10^3 - 2.706 * 10^3
by Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
3) Re: Ron Thal
by Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
4) A Marillion post; I must reply...
by Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
5) Re: Bad mood songs
by alex fraser <fraser@stolaf.edu>
6) Bad mood songs, logic, neo-classical guitar, Mi
by "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaliitto.fi>
7) Re: Bad mood songs
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
8) Virtual Songs
by windows user <dant@webspan.net>
9) Re: imposter says what?
by eckie@asu.edu
10) Re:neo-classical guitar
by marioo@plugnet.plugnet.com.br (Mário)
11) Re: Bad Mood Songs
by Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
12) Re: MOOD SONGS
by GnRBrks@aol.com
13) Rush Recommendations
by "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
14) more rush stuff :)
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2710
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 18:55:54 -0600
From: "KorgX3" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Bad mood songs
Message-ID: <199707080057.RAA14130@odin.ax.com>
>> I'm wonderin' what songs are out there that ppl listen to when they
feel
>> they're in the shitter, tha dumps, really low 'n shit. Something to
>> bring you up or just keep your mind preoccupied to prevent the really
bad
>> thoughts to start churning.
For me it depends on what's causing the depression in the first place. If
it's something that needs to get out of my system, I'll put in something
even more depressing and full of self hate, like NIN, Pearl Jam, or
Marillion (Brave). That way, once it's gone, it's gone. For some reason,
I always come close to tears when Eddie sings through Black. If I'm trying
to lift myself out of a slump I can listen to about anything. Mostly prog
stuff like I&W, Rush, Enchant, etc, work for me. :)
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:58:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
To: Just Words <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM 2.692 * 10^3 - 2.706 * 10^3
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.970707195220.3550B-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, The Notorious B.I.G. S.T.I.F.F.Y. wrote:
> Wow. I finish reading all the 'jams in my inbox, and by the time I
> finish there's 2 more waiting on me....
Don't feel bad. I started with 'message 6/89' and I'm up to
'message 46/113.' I'll be reading until 3 AM if you guys
keep up...
--Jay "like I'm helping matters any" Omega
--NP: Meat Loaf - Midnight @ the Lost & Found
PS. Make that 46/114. Geez!
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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 20:54:16 +0000
From: Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Ron Thal
Message-ID: <B0000140697@chicago.orlinter.com>
At 03:15 PM 7/7/97 -0700, you wrote:
>After hearing some guitaristic praise for Ron Thal on the jam (in between
>discussions of being gay, religion, etc) I picked up the disc "Hermit" from a
>used bin recently.
>
>I must say that Ron's solos are frighteningly good - the man can PLAY.
>However, the songs themselves caught me way off guard. Some sound a little,
>dare I say, grungy.. And a couple tunes are very reminiscent of Rage Against
>the Machine. I have to spend some more time letting this disc sink in, but I
>know I definitely love the *solos*.
I thought it sounded like Alice in Chains with a tad of King's X harmonies
thrown in.
>Can anyone out there (oh no, I said "out") who is more familiar with Ron Thal
>let me know if his other album(s) are similar? Or does he tread the more
>familiar territory of instrumental fusion (a la Greg Howe, Tony MacAlpine,
>etc)?
Well, Ron Thal approaches Greg Howe's lightning speed, but he is more
experimental than Howe. On the debut album Ron Thal plays like if it were
the best album that Steve Vai never released.
I borrowed the album, and didn't get to listen to all the songs all the way
through, but he definately has a bunch of influences. The song "Ick" really
blew me away. It was a flamenco song.
BTW, anyone know why Ron Thal left Shrapnel?
Walter.
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 20:26:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
To: Just Words <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: A Marillion post; I must reply...
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.970707200226.3550C-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Mark Bredius wrote:
> about the new album. That's why I'm glad Chris Ptacek's back on the
> list. At least he has a brain and knows how to use it... Ben's back
> too now. :-) Guys, I think it's time to take out the trash ! ;-)
Please!
> Lars Hellsten wrote :
> > I can distinctly remember being attracted to girls as young as age
> > 7-8,
> Hey, Hellsten... leave those kids alone !
Does being negative-one qualify as being a kid?
> Razvan Tudose wrote about Marillion's masterpiece "Brave" :
> > Uhm ... I dunno how to say this , but ... Brave is SUCH a bore.
> Well, it *IS* a bore if you use intro scan or use it as background
> music. But under the right conditions, it'll be the most brilliant
> album you've ever heard ! It works on so many levels... All of the
> songs are connected, either musically or lyrically. There are lots
> of things that link the songs together. It's moody, it's emotional
> and deep, it makes you feel, it makes you think... It can move you
> to tears, if you'll let it.
What did I start? One mention of crying during 'Brave,' and the Jam
is full of sensitive '90's guys :-) Seriously, if Brave _can't_ get
you teary-eyed, you need to a) read along with the lyric book once
or twice so you get the whole story, and b) listen closer. If you
can listen past "see the little girl, spi-ral-ling down, this is
a photo-graph of who she is now..." without crying, then you are
an emotional rock.
(as in tough, not as in stupid).
> It takes some time to get used to it,
> but it's all worth while... You'll either love or hate this album,
> but if you give it half a chance, I'm sure it'll be the former...
Yup. It's Marillion's best album (IMHF) but also their least accessible.
> > and all the magic of the Fish years is gone, both lyrically and
> > musically.
I thought (from alt.music.marillion) that Fish had nothing to do with
the music; the other four wrote it and Fish added lyrics. I could just
be lost in (the) space, though.
> Fish' lyrics were romantic, poetic, cryptic... Hard to understand
> but great to read/hear...
They probably seem more direct to someone from his side of the pond;
we 'Mericans have to figure out what 'punting on the Cam' is and what
it means to have a 'heart of Lothian' before we can get the meaning of
the songs. (Thank god for the a.m.m. FAQ!)
> Anyway, if you're having a hard time getting into "Brave", simply
> follow the 'instructions' in the booklet... Listen to it LOUD and
> with the LIGHTS OFF (headphones also help).
This is good advice for any 'depressing'-sounding music. APSoGray,
'Firth of Fifth' by Genesis, etc. all sound better/more emotional
this way. Even 'A Mind Beside Itself' is cool like this, and it's not
really depressing...
> IMO, there are three kinds of music... There's the kind you dance
> to... The kind you put on as background music... And then there's
> the kind of music you LISTEN to. Marillion's music is the latter.
What about the kind where you run around your living room banging
your head and playing air guitar to a song in 17/16 time?
> If you're a metal head ONLY, don't even bother...
Oh. I see.
> Oh yeah, Marillion is one of Mike Portnoy's many favourite bands.
> He called Spock's Beard the best prog band since Marillion.
'Since?' 'Since??' They're still here!! They should have a new
album out stateside this month (lucky Europeans got it already...)
> Disclaimer: Just because a lot of Ytsejammers are into Marillion,
> that doesn't mean you will love their music too. If it turns out
> that you don't like their music, don't bitch and moan about it...
> If you claim you don't like them after only a few listens, you're
> an idiot. People usually don't love Marillion's music after their
> first listen. Give it time. But above all, give it a fair chance,
> just like you did with Dream Theater. It'll pay off in the end...
I maintain that music isn't _really_ good if this _isn't_ the case.
I _want_ to hear something new the fifth, or even fiftieth time I
listen to an album. (Of course, what's currently under the laser
doesn't qualify; pop music can be good, too...)
--Jay "catching up; 67/116 now" Omega
--Still playing: Meat Loaf - Midnight @ the Lost & Found
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 20:36:49 -0500 (CDT)
From: alex fraser <fraser@stolaf.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Bad mood songs
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970707203421.4053A-100000@lars.acc.stolaf.edu>
hmm... this is an interesting thread... but i think i have a different
take on it all... when i've got the blues, i listen to the blues...
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue. oh yeah... doesn't get any better than that
at all... other favorites, while not the blues, include Alice in Chains'
"Jar of Flies", and the Jayhawks' "Hollywood Town Hall"... basically
anything with some minor chords... but those two are my favs...
latah,
twistyid
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Date: 8 Jul 97 05:09:39 +0200
From: "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaliitto.fi>
To: Ytse Jam (Dream Theater Mailing List) <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Bad mood songs, logic, neo-classical guitar, Mi
Message-ID: <0021DC680200000101003B4555042E@mlespser1001.metsaliitto.fi>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids....
Oh, I just love logic. What's not possible is im-possible and someone who
doesn't post is an im-...! Whoa! Who would've thought of that! :o
[Bad mood songs]
For me the best stuff to listen to while I'm having one of my bad mood swings
is Ulver's "Kveldssanger". It's totally acoustic, utterly depressive and very
monotone yet very melancholic and beautiful. It just takes me so down that
there's nowhere to go but up. Mr. Gallop, I know you have this disc too, have
you used it as a medication for bad mood swings?
[Neo-classical guitar]
We've all heard Yngwie. Forget him, he's gone stale (but I can't wait his
totally classical album). Some of us have heard of Chris Impellitteri.
Granted, he shreds like no one else. Can anyone tell me if "Answer to the
Master" is as good as "Screaming Symphony" and "Stand in Line"? Here's my
tip of the day for the connoiseurs of neo-classical guitar virtuoso: get
Timo Tolkki's "Classical Variations and Themes". You'll be surprised.
Btw, MICHAEL.ANGELO was here in Helsinki a week ago promoting Washburn
guitars. How low can a former guitar hero get? Yikes.
For the one who said that Spice Girls suck hard, are you sure you weren't
just dreaming? *lecherous grin*
Guys, no matter what your sexual preferences are, you're all
gynoticolobomassophiles, methinks. :)
_Mape_
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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 19:18:05 -0700
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Bad mood songs
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970707191755.006a50b8@pop3.concentric.net>
Okay, I'll comment. I've had great success during a bout with depression with:
The Cure, _Pornography_
The Cure, _Disintegration_ (selected tracks)
Depression at its finest.
Rick Audet
Dolby Labs
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 22:15:54 -0400
From: windows user <dant@webspan.net>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Virtual Songs
Message-ID: <01BC8B23.6C75B1A0@usr1-06.mor.nj.webspan.net>
Hi guys, gals, homo's and hetero's,=20
I just thought (since I've been reading your squabbles for about 3 years =
now and never contributed), that I'd give an opinion on some new music.=20
Mike B's VS discs are almost more than you can possibly ask for. I mean, =
there is so much music there, that the biggest complaint that I can =
think of is TIME. I can't find the time to sit down and enjoy it!!!
He really packed this one full of a great live event. It's not the best =
sounding Rush bootleg out there, but for all of the stuff I've heard =
from the current tour-it's one of the best. Lots of bass drum, crisp =
drums, and good definition. At times a little loud obnoxious crowd but, =
it gives you that 'concert atmosphere' really well.=20
So, it's pricey, but for those collectors out there that enjoy enough =
music to keep you occupied for a couple of days, it's really a good =
deal. Thanks Mike-again.=20
Dan
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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 19:54:42 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: imposter says what?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970707194926.22496A-100000@general4.asu.edu>
Wow! I've never seen such a grander display of one kissing his own ass!
Amazing! But I gotta say, that's the FIRST award I've won in a loooong
friggin' time.
*bows* I'd like to thank all the little people at Kelloggs for producing
those great, tasty, chocolate Pop Tarts. I couldn't have done it
without you!
Oof...now I could be construed as kissing my own ass....eep...
Anyways...who's the Ytse-asshole of the month this month? I need
whoever's keepin' the tabs on that grand award to tell me, as I alas,
have no web access. I have a good idea though...
>;)
~Eckie gets medievel
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 00:16:13 -0300
From: marioo@plugnet.plugnet.com.br (Mário)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re:neo-classical guitar
Message-ID: <199707080316.AAA18473@plugnet.com.br>
>[Neo-classical guitar]
>We've all heard Yngwie. Forget him, he's gone stale (but I can't wait his
>totally classical album).
Yngwie isn't stale...Yngwie is great!Timo Tolkki is great,too,but Yngwie made 15 ago what Tolkki is making now...
>Here's my
>tip of the day for the connoiseurs of neo-classical guitar virtuoso: get
>Timo Tolkki's "Classical Variations and Themes". You'll be surprised.
I like very much this album,but all Stratovarius' albums are better than this...One of my favorites neo-classical albums is Jason Becker's "Perpetual Burn"...
Mario
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 22:20:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
To: Just Words <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Bad Mood Songs
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.970707215401.8740A-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
Well, I since the original poster didn't specify 'music to
keep me depressed' or 'music to undepress me,' here's two
of each:
* Staying Depressed:
Anekdoten - Vemod. Very dark. And moody. And dark. It makes 'A
pleasant shade of gray' sound frolicsome. Lots of mellotron and minor
chords. Did I mention that it was dark?
Live - Throwing Copper. Not all the tracks are depressing, and some toe
the line between 'depressed' and 'angst-ridden,' but moody in general.
* Undepressing slowly:
Renaissance - Song of Scheherazade (from Sch. and Other Stories or KBFH
volume I). A 22+ minute musical rendition of the 1001 Arabian Nights
story. Starts gloomy, finishes in a Middle-Eastern fevstival sort of
tone. Renaissance, for those of you that don't know, is Annie Haslam on
vocals (makes Mariah Carey's vocal range look worthless and weak!), John
Tout on keys, Michael Dunford on acoustic guitar & backing vox, Jon Camp
on bass (which plays the 'lead guitar' parts :), and Terence Sullivan on
drums. Oh, and the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra. Makes for quite a unique
sound.
Marillion - Misplaced Childhood. A story of unrequited love, the pains of
the man who went through it, and his 'rebirth' in the end. Fish wrote
this about _his_ experience with a girl named Kayleigh.
* Undepressing quickly:
Pendragon - The World. Just tracks 1 and 2; and 5 if you want to mix in a
little depressing stuff. One of Clive Nolan's many bands (he's keys for
Arena and Shadowland and IQ and...probably a bunch of others) These songs
are happy enough to be a progressive Bananarama.
Tempest - Turn of the Wheel. Just the instrumental tracks (2, 5?, 9,
11?). Rock renditions of folk music from the world's party people, the
Irish. (I can say that 'cuz I'm part Irish :) Can't go wrong there for
pick-me-up music. Just don't kick the coffee table when you're dancing a
jig...
Hope that helps!
--Jay "Skadz cracks down! MPEG at 11!" Omega
--NP: Boston - s/t
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 23:22:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: GnRBrks@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: MOOD SONGS
Message-ID: <970707232159_948095653@emout13.mail.aol.com>
When I need that extra boost to get me going I listen to either:
"Under A Glass Moon" or
"Scarred"
These two songs give me areal adrenaline rush!!!!!! Just plain awesome!!
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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 23:35:05 -0400
From: "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rush Recommendations
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970707233505.007adec0@nh.ultranet.com>
Hmmm... I would suggest "Presto" or "Hold Your Fire". No particular reason,
they're just two of my faves, so I thought I'd share that with ya :o)
I don't agree. I would listen to "Counterparts" or "Roll the bones" all
of the new stuff is easier to get into if you are a "novice" Rush listener.
I am into all of it, but I would recommend these two albums to the "new"
listener.
Rock on! J
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 23:38:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: more rush stuff :)
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970707232523.2504F-100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
> Subject: Re: N E W D R E A M T H E A T E R CD-Title!
>
> > "FALLING INTO INFINITY"
>
> is this for real...i guess i better go check the rsabbs page...
I don't know if it's up there yet or not (I haven't looked), but this was
from the horse's mouth.
----> From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> > Subject: Leptin > > I normally understand there to be the four periods of the band, delimited by > the live albums. You certainly can make the argument that "Fly By Night" > essentially carries out a flow of albums that carries to "Hemispheres," but > you've gotta treat the first album as a special case. It's blues-rock, > basically, without the sci-fi, albeit with some awfully good playing. Alex
Agreed. I *almost* think of that album as being from a different band (because it essentially is).
> "Permanent Waves" to "PRESTO?" No way...."Signals" was a pretty radical > break for the band, and, by the time you get to "Presto," you're talking > about a radically different sound. You've gotta break it up somewhere in
Well, I was going to choose Hold Your Fire instead of Presto to go with that live album thing (which IMO fails with 2112 and AFTK, anyway). But I thought Presto was techno enough to classify as Pop/Electronic.
> period. There IS a difference between "Hemispheres" and "Permanent Waves." > There's a bigger one between "Moving Pictures" and "Signals."
I've had a lot of people say this to me, and I disagree wholeheartedly. I don't see how "La Villa" is more like "The Spirit of Radio" than "Limelight" is like "Subdivisions" (and I could make countless similar analogies).
I also ended that first category at Hemispheres because, with the possible exceptions again of "The Camera Eye" and "Natural Science," I think the influence that Rush has had on Mike, John, and John is from those albums, and the influence they had on KevMo (if any) is from the later ones. Not that there isn't some intermingling there, but Kev seems more susceptible to that "Losing It" sort of feel.
> Yeah. I'll go for that. They've stripped down the sound a lot over the > last three records. Am I the only one, though, who thinks that "Test For > Echo" is a little LESS guitar-oriented than "Counterparts." The last album > has a noisier mix, but a little less in the guitar department, I'd say.
It's easy to think that because Counterparts was the first real guitar album from them since the 70s. That's when Alex came out of the control room and played in the same room as his speakers. ("Feedback on a Rush album?!?") TFE is less over-the-top, guitarwise, but still far more so than, say, Presto.
Just my thoughts. Feel free, everyone, to dissect and criticize.
-d
P.S. The FAQ's almost done.
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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 22:44:13 -0500 From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2710 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970708034413.00d8ea98@pop.enteract.com>
>From: Lars Hellsten <lars@shaw.wave.ca> >From: Christian Albert Schulze <schulze2@mindspring.com>
Wow. The last three jams have been beautiful for me. I mean... real Ytse-Pride. And who'da thunk Lars would have been one of the dudes responsible for it? Way to go, guys. Now on to the new age of Ytsejammin'!
>From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com> >Subject: Ron Thal
>After hearing some guitaristic praise for Ron Thal on the jam (in between >discussions of being gay, religion, etc) I picked up the disc "Hermit" from a >used bin recently.
YES! YES YESS! You have done WELL, Daniel-son.
>I must say that Ron's solos are frighteningly good - the man can PLAY.
Not only can he play, but like no one else. Take a moment to revel in the sheer originality of his stuff.... there is no one that plays quite like him! And I've been SEARCHING like a Madsman!
>However, the songs themselves caught me way off guard. Some sound a little, >dare I say, grungy.. And a couple tunes are very reminiscent of Rage Against >the Machine. I have to spend some more time letting this disc sink in, but I >know I definitely love the *solos*.
They are definatly a new sound, but once you realize that some of them are joke songs, and the grungy ones are actually very emotional, you find yourself drawn in. It's not like anything anyone's ever done before. Maybe I was just overly touched by the guy's work... but man did it rock my world. >Can anyone out there (oh no, I said "out") who is more familiar with Ron Thal >let me know if his other album(s) are similar? Or does he tread the more >familiar territory of instrumental fusion (a la Greg Howe, Tony MacAlpine, >etc)?
Ron is completely unique and covers EVERY style. Bumblefoot may be more your cup of tea, since there's no grunge there. The legendary Ron Thal demos are out there somewhere too... I need those. :) He's just about done with his new album, which will be heavier, more guitar and drum intense, and almost definitely NOT ON SHRAPNEL. These are the words from the man himself! He'd love to hear what you have to say about his music... the man rules up a windstorm, and is nice as can be. bumblefoot@aol.com (yes, I'm gonna get him off AOL.. Only a matter of Time).
Now we're talking real SHRED on the jam, AND Ron Thal! Wow!
My DTC: I've decided that the 4th of July is the official DT holiday, because on every incindiary device and explosive I purchased, the words "Light Fuse and Get AWAY!" appeared on the label!
Rock on, and Ytse it up!
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG. They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground on which idea seeds fall." - Michael Hedges
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