YTSEJAM Digest 2722
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2721
by Richard Warren <rwarren@memphisonline.com>
2) Re: For Guitarists...
by "KorgX3" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
3) Herr Basmer, bad mood songs, new DT
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
4)
by
5) Guitarists post..
by majesty@voyager.net
6) Re: Journey Into the Self-Indulgent
by JE78674@ltu.edu
7) Baker, Bonham, the killer B's (no not Anthrax)
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
8) Rush era's
by JE78674@ltu.edu
9) Precious Things nondelivery confirmation =)
by "D. Ryan Whitaker" <David_Whitaker@BAYLOR.EDU>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2721
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
11) DT in Chile.........
by Jose Luis Ramos <counterp@ctc-mundo.net>
12) Re: Ytse-Survey II -- Current Standings (expansion to 'Top 10')
by "Steven C. Young" <syoung@phnx.uswest.net>
13) Munetaka Higuchi and Dream Castle -- NDTC, but lots of KX!!!
by "Steven C. Young" <syoung@phnx.uswest.net>
14) Do I talk too much?
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
15) moods
by "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
16) Re: Angra, Shadow Gallery, Superior, etc.
by "Steven C. Young" <syoung@phnx.uswest.net>
17) Kevin George Labrie Jones
by Uncle Dave <uncle.dave@asu.edu>
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 22:03:35 -0500
From: Richard Warren <rwarren@memphisonline.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2721
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970708220332.006db5cc@memphisonline.com>
>Well off the top of my head, guitarist/songwriter on top of my list would
>be Neal Schon, followed by Steve Rothery of Marillion, who BTW is my fave
>guitarist of all time.
>
>Graham
Are you serious? Neal Schon? I mean I liked Journey when I was in high
school but, really? I guess I have heard just about everything he has
released and my feeling is he is a perfect example of an average guitar
player becoming a huge star. Mostly pentatonic, not very exciting. His
fast passages are extremely sloppy. Can you honestly compare anything he
has written to Learning to Live, A Change of Seasons, Metropolis, etc.? I
sure can't.
I might believe Rothery but Schon......no way!!!
Richard Warren
rwarren@memphisonline.com
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:03:17 -0600
From: "KorgX3" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: For Guitarists...
Message-ID: <199707090304.UAA00982@odin.ax.com>
From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
>Well off the top of my head, guitarist/songwriter on top of my list
would
>be Neal Schon, followed by Steve Rothery of Marillion, who BTW is my fave
>guitarist of all time.
I was just thinking that earlier. Reading about all those guitarists and
not one mention of Neal Schon. One of the best guitarists os his era. And
his era's been going for almost 30 years. I hear he's got a new solo album
coming out. I can't wait. :) Beyond the Thunder was just a real nice,
non-showy, groovin album with lotsa spirit.
Rothery's another badass who rarely gets mentioned. He's another guitarist
who's not all showy like the shredders that get listed, but I think I like
that more out of a guitar player. Sorta like Alez Lifeson. They play
important roles, and don't get carried away with them.
Kinda not shredding...
KorgX3
KorgX3@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 22:19:39 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Herr Basmer, bad mood songs, new DT
Message-ID: <19970709022117.AAA726@sni.pananet.com>
Jeez, 7 jams in one day! And I wouldn't doubt it if the 8th ones waiting to
jump into my mailbox. I bet if we took out all of D and Adam's posts, we'd
probably have 2 or 3. :)
: >>| | Bernd Basmer
|
: >>| _I_ | Guitar - Superior
|
: >So what exactly are you trying to say, Bernd? That you're somehow better
: >than every other guitarist on this list? That we're not worthy of you?
huh?
: >;)
:
: Awww, Ernie, you should know this better, don't you? :)) If I
: wouldn't know you personaly I'd tell you the whole damn story
Well, Bernd, you should know better than anyone that your band's name
tempts ppl to make dumb, pointless jokes.:)
:> Superior - Behind
:
: That title always makes me think of an awesomely cute ass. :-)
see what I mean? ;)
Bad mood songs.... well, Fade to Black used to do the trick, but it's lost
it's edge after so many listens. When I'm angry-depressed, Pantera's TGSTK
seems to do the trick. When i'm just feeling doen, QR's 'Someone else' off
of PL fits quite well... that song is so DEEP. THen I like listening to
all of Awake when I'm frustrated.
Of course now adays, it's all been replaced by Tool. A song like 'H.' or
'jimmy' can really hit you emotianlly hard. And whenever you have one of
those 'fuck everybody, society sucks' days, 'Aenema' is just perfect.
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being the light that's been calling him back
hooowoahoowoahoowoahoowoahoowoahoowoahoowoahome,
eleven
I mean, Ernie:)
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 23:31:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: majesty@voyager.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Guitarists post..
Message-ID: <3.0.16.19970708233422.22376898@voyager.net>
>>Date: 08 Jul 97 13:18:10 -0700
>>From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
>>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>>Subject: For Guitarists - and anyone else who appreciates guitar! (long)
>>Message-ID: <199707082056.NAA18420@mailsun2.us.oracle.com>
Regarding his post on 7/8/97...
You mentioned Michael Lee Firkins in there along with Jason Becker...
I just wanted to mention that MLF does play one of the songs on Jason's
newest cd, Perspective. On "End of the Beginning". And he did a great
job! :) He really did get Jason's guitar sound and feel very well.
If you like the guy, check out the cd. Hey, you won't be disappointed
anyhow, it's Jason's! :)
Take care all,
Irene
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 23:41:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: JE78674@ltu.edu
To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
Subject: Re: Journey Into the Self-Indulgent
Message-ID: <01IL0FVXLPB68ZE8G3@LTU.EDU>
You Wrote:
I'll admit right off the bat that I'm not a huge Rush fan, but I enjoy a lot of
their stuff, especially the 80's albums. My question for all you Rush/prog
fanatics is this: am I the only one who finds "2112" to be an absolutely boring,
obnoxious, insufferable piece of work? No flames, please, I'm not disrespecting
anyone's opinion, if you like it that's cool. I'm just wondering if anyone else
feels the same.
Well, to be honest, I am a HUGE Rush fanatic, but I won't take your comment
personally.....
Anyway, I always leaned more towards Rush's work from Permanent Waves to
present....I own Chronicles and never really cared for too much of the
70's stuff.....but then I decided to buy FLY BY NIGHT and 2112 just for
the sake of owning 70's Rush music....well, FBN never really grew on me,
except for Anthem which is great. In the beginning, 2112 was to me what
it is to you...long and boring...then, I just listened...over and over..
I downloaded the lyrics and memorized them like I do the rest of their stuff.
Then....I just worshiped the song....and it's been that way since. I
think you really need to listen to it for a while and it will grow on you.
I think that if you are not open minded to a 20:38 song, then of course
you will hate it. But if given the chance, the whole album will grow on
you. I love every song on 2112......who knew? So, I have opened up to the
70's stuff a little more. From their entire collection, I am missing only
5 albums all hailing from the 70's....Rush fanatics, try to figure the
titles out ;)
But, I wish I didn't bother getting Presto....IMO, that album sucks.
Excuse me, 2 good songs (The Pass, Available Light) are good and the
rest put me to sleep....it's just boring stuff....kind of like hearing
some soft rock crap.....oh well....
Anyway, that's my opinion.....2112 rocks, nuff said.
Later,
Jeff E.
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 97 22:53:20 -0500
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Baker, Bonham, the killer B's (no not Anthrax)
Message-ID: <33c30b2f116a892@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
> > (okay, folks, open fire...I think Baker's a better drummer than Bonham).
>
> No, NOW open fire: I actually think Rutsey's better than BOTH of 'em.
I would say that Bonham kicks both their asses into next week, along with anyone
else, but I also think Zeppelin is the greatest band of all time, so...
-Brian
***************************** Quote of the Day *********************************
"Show the world that love is still alive, you must be brave,
Or all you children of today are children of the grave."
-0zzy Osbourne
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 23:54:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: JE78674@ltu.edu
To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
Subject: Rush era's
Message-ID: <01IL0GI6S4RS8ZE8G3@LTU.EDU>
Rupert Hine........shitty influence, enough said....Even though RTB is
a pretty good album, man, they just fucked up on Presto....I don't know
what the hell they were thinking on that one. Counterparts hails as one
of my favorite, Animate/Leave That Thing Alone/Cold Fire are the tracks
played over and over, but the rest are good as well, the whole album rocks.
But I must say that Hold Your Fire IS a good album, one of my favorite.
The songs really are good and meaningful, IMHO, the lyrics and music
are some of the best in challenging the Lyric/Music "marriage" found
in music. Today's Alternacrap just seems to keep ending up in a divorce :P
Sorry, I forgot the IMHO with that one ;)
Later,
Jeff E.
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 23:02:18 +0000
From: "D. Ryan Whitaker" <David_Whitaker@BAYLOR.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Precious Things nondelivery confirmation =)
Message-ID: <9707090357.AA15201@ccis01.baylor.edu>
> From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
>
> What about Precious Things? Anyone else still waiting for that one?
Yup, that would be me. I'm placing all my bets on getting it (and
TDOW hopefully) tomorrow. I can't freaking wait. It's been more
than a year since he first announced Precious Things, and I've been
drooling since day one. I also can't wait to get Acoustic Spirits..
David
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 14:06:55 +1000
From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2721
Message-ID: <4A2564CF.0015D223.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
Yep I am damn serious Richard, it was IMHO, I didn't say it was fact, did I
?
Have a listen to his last solo album 'Beyond The Thunder' after all KorgX3
isn't wrong very often.
I wasn't comparing Schon to Petrucci either, I just had a thought of two
terrific guitarists who I admire for their playing and songwriting.
What was the last time you heard Schon play, on 'Infinity' or something
else that old ?
:))
Graham
rwarren@memphisonline.com on 09/07/97 01:18:17 PM
Please respond to ytsejam@ax.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
cc: (bcc: Graham Boyle/NRC/HMAS WATSON/NAVY/AU)
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2721
>Well off the top of my head, guitarist/songwriter on top of my list would
>be Neal Schon, followed by Steve Rothery of Marillion, who BTW is my fave
>guitarist of all time.
>
>Graham
Are you serious? Neal Schon? I mean I liked Journey when I was in high
school but, really? I guess I have heard just about everything he has
released and my feeling is he is a perfect example of an average guitar
player becoming a huge star. Mostly pentatonic, not very exciting. His
fast passages are extremely sloppy. Can you honestly compare anything he
has written to Learning to Live, A Change of Seasons, Metropolis, etc.? I
sure can't.
I might believe Rothery but Schon......no way!!!
Richard Warren
rwarren@memphisonline.com
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 00:07:44 -0700
From: Jose Luis Ramos <counterp@ctc-mundo.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT in Chile.........
Message-ID: <199707090707.AAA00297@server>
Hi jammers around the world....
For the chilean fans.....(Hi Farah, Do you remember me from the NMS???? :-)=
:-)
I heard (from a good source) that our favorite band will play in Santiago
for the Festival Monsters Of Rock
In early September besides DIO, Whitesnake, Type O negative and others......
I Can't wait for this dream come true=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1.......
bye
JLRC
Santiago - Chile
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 21:45:48 -0700
From: "Steven C. Young" <syoung@phnx.uswest.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Ytse-Survey II -- Current Standings (expansion to 'Top 10')
Message-ID: <33C3177C.6DB6@phnx.uswest.net>
Salutations from the management and staff of Ytse-Survey II (me):
Wow! The day after I last posted info about the survey, I received 25
entries at once! Good job, guys! I was getting a little worried there
for a second. We have almost reached 50 entries, well on our way to the
goal of 150. For those of you who haven't yet, e-mail me at
syoung@phnx.uswest.net with your 10 favorite 'non-Dream Theater'
bands/artists -- Entries will be accepted until 11:59 p.m., July 31st;
at that point, the entries will be compiled and a Ytse-Survey II
champion crowned.
Current statistics are as follows (as of 7/8/97):
Number of entries: 48
Number of different bands/artists mentioned: 184
Current Survey Top 10 (with number of entries):
1) Rush (27)
2) Queensryche (26)
3) Fates Warning (17)
Savatage
5) Iron Maiden (12)
Metallica
7) Angra (11)
Steve Vai
9) Megadeth (9)
Yes
Surprise, surprise -- Early on, it appears that defending-champ QR and
Rush are going to battle for 1st Place for the second straight survey.
Savatage and FW were always popular, as well. Iron Maiden is quite a
dark horse, so far. And Angra came out of nowhere. Yes was a strong
contender last year, also.
Also making strong showings currently are (in no particular order): Tori
Amos, Genesis, Helloween, Lemur Voice, Yngwie Malmsteen, Manowar,
Marillion, Pantera, Pink Floyd, Joe Satriani, Stratovarius, Superior,
and Symphony X. As you can see, the wealth is being spread quite a bit.
We still have about 2 1/2 weeks, but don't delay -- SEND TODAY!
Steve Y
syoung@phnx.uswest.net
"Y'all ain't laughin'..." - Will Smith (Men In Black)
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 21:53:57 -0700
From: "Steven C. Young" <syoung@phnx.uswest.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Munetaka Higuchi and Dream Castle -- NDTC, but lots of KX!!!
Message-ID: <33C31965.790D@phnx.uswest.net>
'Jammers --
I found this bit of info on the Dokken and King's X pages:
DIO, Don Dokken, Jeff Pilson, Ty Tabor, Billy Sheehan, Steve Vai and
others have made a CD in Japan called "Munetaka Higuchi and Dream
Castle".
Does anybody know anything about this CD and how to get it?
The info on the King's X page said it was only being sold in Japan and
that you would have to order it as an import. I have searched for it on
CDNOW and CDUniverse, but neither of them have it. What other sites are
there on the web where you can find specialty imports such as this one?
Please E-mail me privately with any info you can offer. Thanx a mil!
Steve Y
syoung@phnx.uswest.net
P.S. For all of you King's X fans out there, Ty Tabor is currently
taking orders for his solo project, "Naomi's Solar Pumpkin." Check out
the info at http://www.compassnet.com/grump/tytabor.htm. I have already
sent my $$$.
"mmmm...desTROY!!!" -- Motley Crue (intro to Generation Swine CD)
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 01:30:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Do I talk too much?
Message-ID: <199707090530.BAA03125@umbc9.umbc.edu>
> Eh? What?!?! Half the World is awesome!!
Pooh. Half the World sounds like Hootie and the Blowfish with Geddy
singing <which of course, is only marginally better than Hootie and the
Blowfish>.
> Special Announcement : Steve Z is officially a gay!!
Dammit, Jason; I was getting so comfortable in the closet! :)
> I would say Limbo is the worst tune on the album and possibly the worst
> Rush song ever. I feel the same as you about Dog Years, of course.
> Music=Rokz Nadz Lyrics=Sukz Nadz
Yeah, I'm not too impressed with Limbo, either. I'm not liking this
instrumental-on-every-album thread they're getting into. How 'bout they
wait until they have a really strong instrumental, hmm?
> I'll admit right off the bat that I'm not a huge Rush fan, but I enjoy a lot of
> their stuff, especially the 80's albums. My question for all you Rush/prog
> fanatics is this: am I the only one who finds "2112" to be an absolutely boring,
> obnoxious, insufferable piece of work?
Um...yes.
Just kidding! I suppose not, but I happen to love the song. Once, my g/f
was staying up at my apartment doing homework while I was at opera
rehearsal. Before I left, I told her to feel free to listen to any of my
CD's. When I came back, she was blaring 2112. I opened the door, looked
at the stereo, then looked at her. She was looking at me with the widest
eyes I had ever seen, as if to say, "WOW! Why have you been hiding this
from me?"
That's amore. ;)
> > Steve Z
> >
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>
> I got an EOJ! YAY, ME!
>
> Steve Z
Later that day...
> Wow this is like my fourth post today. <I just got my wisdom teeth out
> and I'm house-ridden.>
>
> See ya!
>
> Steve Z
>
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Two EOJ's in one day! WOO HOO! Beat that, Bafu Vai! :)
I need to get outa the house...
Steve Z
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 00:46:49 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: moods
Message-ID: <199707090547.AAA10698@Walden.MO.NET>
When I'm in a really dark mood, not necessarily depressed or pissed
off, but just one of those serious, dark moods, I like putting on the
three Saviour Machine discs and playing them consecutively each in
their entirety. Just shutting the lights off, maybe lighting a
candle or two, and chilling out. When i'm pissed, I like The
Mirror/Lie. Well, really any good, angst-ridden, chunky stuff.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 22:50:06 -0700
From: "Steven C. Young" <syoung@phnx.uswest.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Angra, Shadow Gallery, Superior, etc.
Message-ID: <33C3268E.2857@phnx.uswest.net>
Is there anyone out there that owns stuff from Angra, Shadow Gallery,
Superior, Stratovarius, and some of the other "great" bands I've been
hearing about on the jam? I'd like to find someone that owns at least
one CD of each of those (or almost all of them) that would be willing to
dub some of their favorite songs from those bands onto tape for me, so I
can have a listen. The more I hear about these bands, the more
interested I am getting. It would be nice to have some new and
interesting music to get into while waiting for new DT. I would mail
the cassette(s) with return postage to the person that would handle this
for me. I have had pretty good luck with recommendations from 'Jammers.
I am into Galactic Cowboys and Fates Warning thanks to the Jam. And,
if these bands are as good as y'all say they are, I want a piece of it.
If you are interested, E-mail me privately with the CDs you have (and
others you might recommend for a die-hard DT/QR fan). Thanx!
Steve Y
syoung@phnx.uswest.net
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 23:09:38 -0700
From: Uncle Dave <uncle.dave@asu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Kevin George Labrie Jones
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970708230938.007ac8c0@imap2.asu.edu>
>reviewing the fix concerts, said that Take away my pain is a
>masterpiece. I dunno... I just feel it's something more country-style
>than ever... hard to imagine LaBrie singing with a cowboy hat...
hmmmmmmm....actually that would be pretty cool! :0
imagine.....
dt goes spur-crazy singing old favs such as:
pull me under the winnebago
cowtrapolis (guest vocals by rip, of course!)
wait fer yer cousin to sleep
burnin my barn
ytsehick
hollow beers
and the epic that rocked even those distant ex-wives
a change of underwear
...oh shit. country fans are going to flame the fuck out of me!
can _you_ name your favorite dt country song?
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