YTSEJAM Digest 2724
Today's Topics:
1) Re: John Petrucci
by Kyrre Trohjell <Kyrre.Trohjell@hd.uib.no>
2) the more things change
by Raivo Hool <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
3) angra voting
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
4) angra voting
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
5) the ritualistic sacrifice of young virgin cub scouts
by "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
6) Another one (well, the 1st, actually) bites the
by "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaliitto.fi>
7) YTSEJAM digest 2723
by Jim Suplizio <jim.suplizio@GSC.GTE.com>
8) Monthly Ramblings 7/97
by Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
9) HOUSTON-based Ytsejammer Evening Proposal
by cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert)
10) ytsehick
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
11) Don't misquote me!
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
12) Re: For guitarists...
by "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
13) Re: angra voting
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
14) Re: Monthly Ramblings 7/97
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
15) moods and such
by "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
16) Re: Monthly Ramblings 7/97
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
17) How do i asdf? and other ramblings
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
18) blues traveller
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 14:20:21 GMT+1
From: Kyrre Trohjell <Kyrre.Trohjell@hd.uib.no>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: John Petrucci
Message-ID: <450443E7DD6@humanistisk.hd.uib.no>
Hello, everyone!
This is my first posting on this list, however I have been lurking
for some months now, but I thougt I wanted to share some thougts on
the John P./Vai thing that's been going on. It's a response on a
post dated 30.06.97.
I've been a DT fan since '92 and can't wait for the Sept. release!!!
Before I go on, I have a request: Does anybody out there have info on
the singles released off I&W?
(Someone claiming that Petrucci is better than
Vai, and that Vai doesn't play with musicians of the same caliber).
OK. First of all, I must admit it's hard being fan of both DT and
Vai, when confronted with the P vs V deal. As a fan of both
guitarists, I must claim that V. could play rings around P.
Then, of course, people would say: P. is more accurate live, than V.
is on most nights. That is probably correct, however, V. takes more
chances, he runs around more etc. When P. is doing a note-by-note
accurate passage he stands still (at least he used to), bites his
lips and buckles his knees and stares at the fretboard.
Vai's musician's are awsome, but if they are better than DT, I doubt
that, if they can be compared at all.
Vai has played with many moer bands and artists, and recording
projects.
And, remember: Vai was a Zappa touring and session guitarist and
transcriber for 5 years, more or less, and the 1982 Zappa band was
probably the best live act that's existed, ever.(If you like, add
"one of") :-)
Vai also does a lot of stuff himself, all the song writing,
Production, engineering, bass duties and runs his own studio, and he
does everything brilliantly.
Not only my opinion, but also cold, brutal facts. :-)
Kyrre.Kyrre
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 15:31:43 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Raivo Hool <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: the more things change
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970709152849.13590A-100000@lahmaat.guvatrak.ee>
> Yes but further down the road let's not forget that "the more...things
> change/the more they stay the same" <Hemispheres> is a far cry from
Don't you think Machine Head must have been listening to Rush while they
were growing up? Their latest album is entitled "The More Things
Change..." and they keep repeating exactly the same lines from Hemispheres
in their interviews too.
Coincidence? Perhaps.
Raitz
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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 08:25:57 -0400
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: El Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: angra voting
Message-ID: <33C38355.501E@caribe.net>
Um ..please check out this adress...its for the emtpyV brazilian awards
, and angra is there with "make believe" .. please vote for them, so
maybe we can get them attention!!
http://www2.uol.com.br/mtv/prog/vmb97a.htm
thanx
--"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 08:30:04 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: El Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: angra voting Message-ID: <33C3844C.190B@caribe.net>
btw .. its the viewers choice award.. theyre nominated for... and the page is in portuguese,but just click where it says angra and go down on the page *hehe* and click "enviar"
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"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 08:01:13 +0000 From: "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@subtlerage.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: the ritualistic sacrifice of young virgin cub scouts Message-ID: <199707091239.HAA22476@soli.inav.net>
> I just had to respond to d man's response to that guy who condemned > homosexuals. I'm sure you're going to hate me for it, but it's not my fault > you people are intolerant.
naw. we're just gonna hate you for bringing up a thread that the list moderator officially put to rest. did you eat paint chips as a child? THE THREAD IS DEAD.
woah. that rhymed.
here's a tip- if you're a week behind on jams, catch up on your reading before responding to something. especially if it's a flame. you'll save yourself and the list alot of b.s.
-Andrew
--------------------------------------------------------- | Andrew Miller - keyboardist/vocalist - subtlerage | | http://www.subtlerage.com - subtlerage@subtlerage.com | | "first impressions" released. cassettes available | | an 8/97 release is planned for sr2 *ON CDS!!!* | ---------------------------------------------------------
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Date: 9 Jul 97 15:46:47 +0200 From: "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaliitto.fi> To: Ytse Jam (Dream Theater Mailing List) <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Another one (well, the 1st, actually) bites the Message-ID: <00215A720200000101003B4555042E@mlespser1001.metsaliitto.fi>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
From: Jrobert314@aol.com Subject: Digital Man
>(Jrobert314's whole post quoted here, but you just don't see it... :))
Tee hee hee, it seems it didn't take too long after Skadz's new, stricter legislation after the first one gets kicked off the list! Somehow I'm not surprised it's an AOL-er. :)
_Mape_
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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 09:25:40 -0400 From: Jim Suplizio <jim.suplizio@GSC.GTE.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YTSEJAM digest 2723 Message-ID: <33C39154.7B5@GSC.GTE.com>
Hello, I'd like to introduce myself. My name is Jim Suplizio I'm 26, I live in Raleigh, NC (moved there from Jersey about 9 months ago) and I'm a computer programmer. I joined this list to discuss and listen to discussions Dream Theater and bands like DT. I could honestly give a flying flip about this homosexuality string that people won't leave alone. Sexual preferences are up to the individual and regardless of another's "opinion" everyone has the right to make their own choices. But discussion of those choices belongs on another newsgroup, I'm here to talk about music.
On a better note I see people talking about what they play when they're trying to pull themselves out of depression, here's my usual
1) Candlemass: Solitude 2) Testament: Return to Serenity 3) Savatage: Believe 4) Metallica: Fade to Black immediately followed by So What Then putting on a little death metal that seems to match the dark mood (ie Morbid Angel or Edge of Sanity) and I start feeling better or at least temporarily forget.
Jim
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"Watch the pattern ever changing in the tapestry of fate, weft and weave now interlacing silken strands that fabricate - a cloak to fit both king and begger, those who rule and those who toil are equal in the fact that all pay homage to this mortal coil." - M. Walkyer from "How have the mighty fallen?"
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 10:07:09 -0400 From: Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com> To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Monthly Ramblings 7/97 Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=bostech%l=CARRIER-970709140709Z-32068@carrier.rd1.bostech.com>
D-BAG wrote (repeatedly): >> Have I mentioned lately how good the harmonies on "To Live Forever" are?
I speak for many = Stopppppit !! Stopppppit !! Stopppppit !!
>> dont forget the moody middle part from burning my soul which i >> REALLY love, and the cool rollercoaster ride in the middle of just let >> me breathe..
Am I the only one that worries that material like the above will be cut-n-snipped by that evil new producer ?? I tried to reach the band through "my sources", but so far they are not coming through. I can fearfully see it now: Burning My Soul 4:05, Just Let Me Breathe 3:55. But some "long" songs (just to please the old guard) = Peruvian Skies 5:45 and Metropolis II 6:02 .......
>> Are you serious? Neal Schon? I mean I liked Journey when I was in >> high school but, really?
Well, this depends on when you went to high school. The first three Journey albums are great prog-rock (w/o Steve Perry, btw, which is a bonus point in my book). Especially the middle album Look into the Future. It just that they sound 20+ years old (because they are).
>> Impostor
I vote for Buck. Seconds ??
>> Thrak75
Anyone else wonder how that panty sniffing clown came up with this name ?? Hmmmm. Being that I have a Mathematics degree or two, I do know that 75 = 6+69 ?? Awe shit, that was the banned thread ........
Later, Mark Metzger mmetzger@bostech.com
Five Gratuitous CDs: ===================== 1. Rush: Permanent Waves 2. Girth: Brain Cloud 3. Tourniquet: Pathogenic Occular Dissonance 4. Dream Theater: Falling Into Infinity 5. Treasure Land: Self Titled
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 10:30:26 -0500 From: cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert) To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: HOUSTON-based Ytsejammer Evening Proposal Message-ID: <19970709152543051.AAA255@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
I had a wonderful idea 'ze other night. How about those of you jammers in Houston all getting together at a restautant for an evening of good food and prog talk? I decided to put a date way ahead of time would be wise, since most of us will be working during the week. I figured a good place to meet would be Texadelphia (home of great food) on Westheimer? Anybody in Houston or it's surrounding areas knows where this street is, or can find it no doubt. It's not a large place, but has a large outdoor deck area and plenty of space, and would probably suit nicely. The date I had in mind is August 8th, a Friday - some of you might be heading back to college later in the month, so this would avert that. Not to mention Queensryche on the 15th (I think), so that would still be free as well. Email me personally with all replys and/or ideas... Methinks this would be very cool! - Mark -
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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 12:17:25 -0400 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ytsehick Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970709121722.0069f4f4@mail.ici.net>
> can _you_ name your favorite dt country song? >
"Light Fuse And Get Away". If that's not a blatant country title, then I don't know what is. :)
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________Pat Sullivan__________________________________ E-mail: psull@ici.net WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html IRC: DDictator NP: Bruce Dickinson - "Accident Of Birth"
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 12:27:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Don't misquote me! Message-ID: <199707091627.MAA29032@umbc9.umbc.edu>
> > Pooh. Half the World sounds like Hootie and the Blowfish with Geddy > > singing <which of course, is only marginally better than Hootie and the > > Blowfish>. > > This comment actually physically hurt. I got a severe headache after > reading that, and I had to get away from the computer for about ten > minutes...
Sorry, D. Next time I'll give you some warning. Then again...maybe not. :)
> But to compare Ged's voice with Spootie... OK, so it's funny as shit. > It's still bad and wrong. :)
No, no, NO! I DIDN'T compare Ged's voice to Hootie's! I said it "sounds like Hootie...with Geddy singing." I should have said, "it sounds like Geddy after too many Molsons at a Hootie and the Blowfish Karaoke party.
See ya!
Steve Z
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Date: 09 Jul 97 09:31:55 -0700 From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: For guitarists... Message-ID: <199707091636.JAA16803@mailseq4.us.oracle.com>
Graham wrote: >followed by Steve Rothery of Marillion, who BTW is my fave >guitarist of all time. I'm assuming this is in response to my query about who has a better combination of technique and songwriting than Petrucci? I have only heard two Marillion albums (I have one), but I am fairly positive that Rothery does not approach Petrucci in technique. The songwriting aspect is very subjective, so I'll defer to your opinion on that one. However, I think it is safe to say that 9 out of 10 guitarists would agree that Petrucci smokes him from a technical standpoint. cheers, -Neil.
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 13:53:06 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: angra voting Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95q.970709135100.27881A-100000@ant116.cce.usp.br>
On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Carlos Alfaro wrote:
> Um ..please check out this adress...its for the emtpyV brazilian awards > , and angra is there with "make believe" .. please vote for them, so > maybe we can get them attention!! > > http://www2.uol.com.br/mtv/prog/vmb97a.htm
Do you really think that those posers at eMpTyV will pay attention at our choices? I really don't think so and think that they only have put some open voting to say that they're democratic or so. But I'll pass by the site and see how things are going...
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 14:03:29 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Monthly Ramblings 7/97 Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95q.970709140030.27881B-100000@ant116.cce.usp.br>
On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Mark Metzger wrote:
> D-BAG wrote (repeatedly): > >> Have I mentioned lately how good the harmonies on "To Live Forever" are? > > I speak for many = Stopppppit !! Stopppppit !! Stopppppit !!
No, no, I have not understood if he likes TLF or not! :-)
> Five Gratuitous CDs: > ===================== > 1. Rush: Permanent Waves > 2. Girth: Brain Cloud > 3. Tourniquet: Pathogenic Occular Dissonance > 4. Dream Theater: Falling Into Infinity
Am I dreaming? What is the line above doing in a list of CDs?? Am I missing something really obvious here??
> 5. Treasure Land: Self Titled
[]s confused one more time, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 12:41:45 +0000 From: "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@subtlerage.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: moods and such Message-ID: <199707091719.MAA06143@soli.inav.net>
if i wanna break a depression, i've got a handful of songs that usually help quite a bit...
"Sisters" - Steve Vai "Surrounded" - (duh) "Dying Day" - Vai "Suffocating the Bloom" - echolyn (yeah, the whole album) "Love You To Death" - Type O Negative "Voices" - Vangelis (again, the whole album)
someone mentioned being depressed and wanting to listen to depressing songs to wallow in your own self pity... been there, done that. "Something I Can Never Have" - NIN. that's always a good one for me.
</random babbling>
-Andrew
--------------------------------------------------------- | Andrew Miller - keyboardist/vocalist - subtlerage | | http://www.subtlerage.com - subtlerage@subtlerage.com | | "first impressions" released. cassettes available | | an 8/97 release is planned for sr2 *ON CDS!!!* | ---------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 13:25:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Monthly Ramblings 7/97 Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970709132411.3918A-100000@umbc9.umbc.edu>
> > 4. Dream Theater: Falling Into Infinity > > Am I dreaming? What is the line above doing in a list of CDs?? Am > I missing something really obvious here??
Of course you are. How many times do we have to tell you jammers...the album came out five months ago. GO OUT AND BUY IT NOW!!!!!!
Brandon
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 13:39:32 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu> To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: How do i asdf? and other ramblings Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970709133133.12216D-100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu> > Subject: More Gratuity, Top Jammaz > > The only reason this line was in his post is because his physical location > is completely unknown to Chris Merlo...whose mafia buddies are probably > dying for an assignment by now...
My boys in Bensonhoist bought themselves a cell phone, so they can get the news as soon as I do. :)
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> From: Jrobert314@aol.com > Subject: Digital Man > > I just had to respond to d man's response to that guy who condemned > homosexuals.
No, actually, you didn't. But because I'd hate to see you kicked off the list, I'll take this to private e-mail. (THIS IS A GOOD IDEA.)
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> From: "Kim Granieri" <kgranieri@msn.com> > Subject: Help! > > I'm sorry to bug you all, but I've been on this list so long, I've forgotten > how I got here, AND how to unsubscribe!!!
Next time I see a post like this, I'm mailing the person 11 copies of the FAQ. Find it yourself.
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> From: "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Mood Song, Korgistotle, Imposter Madness > > me. Let's just say I listen to this more than I listen to The Spice Girls. > And for the life of me I can't decide who's hotter, Nuno or that sultry > Victoria...
Huh huh. You know their names. :)
> impersonating him? "Frobnitz" sounds like something from one of the Zork > games...
You have moved into a dark place. You are likely to be eaten by a grue impostor.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 13:46:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: blues traveller Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970709134132.5111A-100000@joust.rs.itd.umich.edu>
anyone get the new blues traveller CD yet (Straight on till morning)?
I'm asking because a guy i work with just got that when we went out to lunch......get back here, and there's an insert in there, selling BT merchandise, and on the back of that there's a $20 poster/lithograph of an advertisement for a blues traveller show at Hill Auditorium in Ann Arbor, Michigan, a building which we, coincidentally, happened to pass by on our way to and from lunch......
No, i wasn't at the show, but I'm still curious, is the offer of the ann arbor poster a regional thing? Or is that in every Blues traveller CD across the nation? (or do they advertise a LA Forum show poster in CDs shipped to Southern California?)
partha
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