YTSEJAM Digest 2725
Today's Topics:
1) and one more thing.....
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
2) Rush...
by "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
3) Laval Road
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
4) Re: moods and such
by alex fraser <fraser@stolaf.edu>
5) A couple of things....
by Nick Giannotti <N.Giannotti@COMEQUITY.COM>
6) Mood Songs
by zarnoff069@juno.com (Mike Potvin)
7) Shameless promotion of.....
by "Kevin Donnelly" <KDonnelly@vines.ColoState.EDU>
8) besides....
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
9) Bad Moods
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
10) anonymous emails
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
11) fear of evolution
by Mathieu Ferland <ferlandm@ift.ulaval.ca>
12) Fugazi
by "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
13) name my band!!!!
by "ian" <the_trooper@mindless.com>
14) Quoth ye Coverdale...
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 13:50:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: and one more thing.....
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970709134637.5111B-100000@joust.rs.itd.umich.edu>
want some private replies to this, if you're inclined to do so.....
~~~~~~~
trying to write a "student activism, dead or alive in the 1990s?" type of
piece for the school newspaper's new student edition......i'm basically
done, but I've only been asking question to older, professorial
types.....I was wondering what you all thought about it (I'm under the
impression that most jammers are college aged, or not far removed.....)
here's your chance to make an impression on the youth of america (this
issue is aimed at incoming freshmen), dont miss out!
Partha Mukhopadhyay
ahtrap@umich.edu
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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 13:54:00 -0400
From: "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rush...
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970709135400.007b8100@nh.ultranet.com>
Someone wrote:
Pooh. Half the World sounds like Hootie and the Blowfish with Geddy
> singing <which of course, is only marginally better than Hootie and the
> Blowfish>.
This comment actually physically hurt. I got a severe headache after
reading that, and I had to get away from the computer for about ten
minutes. Half The World is my favorite TFE song (though Totem is a really
close second). It's no 2112 or anything (and I *do* think that guy is the
only one that dislikes that song), but it's a Good Rock Song. It's sparse
enough to let Ged go nuts, basswise. I thought Alex had a really nice,
aggresive tone on it. Neil... is just Neil.
But to compare Ged's voice with Spootie... OK, so it's funny as shit.
It's still bad and wrong. :)
I think "Half the World" is a "feel good" song. It actually got a HUGE
amount of airplay where I am, and I was proud to know that it was Rush.
As for relating Geddy to Hootie, WHAT?? Please! Don't ever do that! Rush
is one of my favorite bands and Hootie will never be found in my CD
collection. My brother got the Hootie disc accidently when he ordered from
a CD club, he was stupid and opened it. So we used his BB gun and played
skeet with it, then we burned it. He got it for free, so it was worth the
money! : )
Half the World is a great song. Neil is phenomenal in it. He really hits
everything well. Geddy's bass work is superb. Alex's guitar work is
fantastic. To the guy who related it to Hootie, keep listening to it, if
you hate it after 20 times of listening to it, you have a problem and you
need to seek the proper help.
Das-it. Lata, J
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 11:03:32 -0700
From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Laval Road
Message-ID: <199707091803.LAA15426@main.cfmc.com>
Rush seems to be eating up quite a bit of the list lately...and I'm as much
to blame about it as anyone. So, picking up where I left off...
>From: Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
>
>>SHAWN LANE: I saw this guy's instructional video once. He can play so
damned
>>fast that the notes blur together into a distorted mass - and this is NOT
>>because he's not playing cleanly! He's also a gifted composer and virtuoso
>>pianist. If you *ever* see his disc "Powers of Ten" just buy it.
>
>Will do!
I managed to pick up "Powers of Ten" in a used bin at the Wherehouse about a
year ago for a buck. Actually, a penny short of that. I'll call that one a
good deal...
>From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
>
>> I actually think that if you take each set of two Rush albums, you get a
>> really satisfying set of pairings. The most problematic is the first pair,
>> but, beyond that, it's really quite remarkable. They make a right turn,
>
>Whoa, that's not bad. (Of course, I *still* want MP and S together. :)
>Gotta love AFTK and H together, as well as the last two pairs.
I was with you (though I didn't agree) when you liked putting "Moving
Pictures" and "Signals" together, thinking they were more similar than
"Hemispheres" and "Permanent Waves." But "Moving Pictures" and "Permanent
Waves" are really similar...I think "Signals" has more to do with "Grace
Under Pressure."
>Talking about it is one thing. Try understanding it! I have the booklet
>from the Yes boxed set at home, with that kickass family tree in it.
>Entertaining *and* educational. :)
I saw a huge, ultra-huge wall poster long ago with a family tree detailing a
reasonably large portion of the development of rock music over the pond.
Yes, Cream, Tull, Genesis...what a whole load of what those guys have done.
It was friggin' hysterical.
>> I love the music on "Dog Years" a LOT...but those lyrics? Come ON! :)
>...I would have *much* rather had this one on tour than either
>"Resist" or "Limbo."
"Limbo," I can, to some extent, see. But "Resist?" Man...that's the best
tune on the new album, hands down. We disagree yet again....
>From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
>To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
>Subject: funny thing 'bout it......
>Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970708190531.10463A-100000@tempest.rs.itd.umich.edu>
>
>> I actually think that if you take each set of two Rush albums, you get a
>> really satisfying set of pairings. The most problematic is the first
>> pair, but, beyond that, it's really quite remarkable.
>
>Welp, i must be a weird one, because I like the first pair of rush albums
>far far better than the second duet.....i rate CoS at the absolute bottom
>(of the studio Rush albums) and 2112 oh, around 13/16 on my list.....and
>Preto is my fave......as if you really care :)
Well, by problematic, I meant that the first two records were the most
different of any of the pairs of two. I agree with you that "Caress of
Steel" is not the best the band has done, but I'm going with the orthodoxy
on "2112"...I'd probably slot it about 7th, which is fairly high up the Rush
totem pole, and extremely high up the totem pole of music that I like. It's
shoulder to shoulder with records like "A Love Supreme" and
"Badmotorfinger." "Presto" is an interesting one....three of my favorite
Rush albums are "Hold Your Fire" (my favorite), "Roll the Bones" (perhaps my
second favorite), and "Counterparts" (which, depending on mood, will usually
land about fifth). "Presto" would probably wind up about 10th for me. I
don't think it's as strong as the records it's surrounded by...an opinion a
lot of people don't agree with at all.
>...the biggest problem for me comes in regard to Power Windows......
>
>Part of it is because it's an album I really like (#3 on my list of Studio
>rush albums), which was released right after my #15 album (P/G).....That
>transition right there is the most drastic to my ears, So i always put an
>era break between those albums.......
Wow...I dunno about that. I like "Power Windows" about as much as "Presto,"
and "Grace Under Pressure," despite three of my very favorite songs being on
the album ("Distant Early Warning," "Afterimage," and "Between the Wheels"),
I'd probably rank about 15th, as well. But the two records are really
closely related, to my ears.
>for me the eras (in terms of studio album numbers) is 2:3:(4:1):4:2
>the first two albums were a time of experimentation, both times with a
>"new" drummer.....the second set (Cos:AFTK) is purely arbitrary on my
>part, albums I don't hold too dearly....the third group is IMO the best
>sustained effort Rush has ever produced.....from Hemi to Signals, the boyz
>were right ON the mark...
There are "Hemispheres" and "Signals" together again. I just don't get
this. I'll still argue that the biggest break the band made was between
"Moving Pictures" and "Signals." In addition, there was a reasonably large
stylistic shift between "Hemispheres" and "Permanent Waves." I just can't
see, then, sticking "Hemispheres" and "Signals" together.
>From: "Nicole R. Stachowicz McWatters" <stachowic_n@UHDVX3.DT.UH.EDU>
>
>Adam Barnhart wrote on Rush:
>>I actually think that if you take each set of two Rush albums, you get a
>>really satisfying set of pairings.
>
>You know, I find that to be true with the limited knowledge I have about
>their music. (C'mon, I'm a prog newbie here!) But what I find most
>amazing is that Counterparts and TFE are great matches music-wise, but
>TFE was written after a year and a half off from writing any music. I
>wonder if they plan these sorts of things. I also wonder what their next
>direction will be. Any thoughts?
It IS a little strange, especially with Alex having come up with "Victor" in
the interim. But "Counterparts" and "Test For Echo" have quite a lot to do
with each other, I'd say. I know they put some effort into reinvention with
each release, not really wanting to write the same album twice, but it's a
fairly organic process. I've got no idea what'll happen next. After all
those tired breakup rumors, it looks like we're gonna get at least a coupla
studio records after the forthcoming live album. They're at a crossroads,
though...I've got no idea in hell what they'll do next. Which is a big part
of why being a Rush diehard is so much fun...
Five Gratutitous CD's:
======================
1. Rush: Critical Mass (Disc 1)
2. Rush: Critical Mass (Disc 2)
3. White Lion: Big Game
4. Columbia: Street Sounds
5. Primus: The Brown Album
Adam D. Barnhart
adamb@cfmc.com
ydnt85a@prodigy.com
http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 13:08:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: alex fraser <fraser@stolaf.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: moods and such
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970709130317.12043A-100000@lars.acc.stolaf.edu>
On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Andrew Miller wrote:
> someone mentioned being depressed and wanting to listen to depressing
> songs to wallow in your own self pity... been there, done that.
> "Something I Can Never Have" - NIN. that's always a good one for me.
hmm... i'm not sure if i was the one who started that "wallowing"
subthread or not... but what i was refering to when talking about liking
depressing music when depressed is that the music fits the mood, so it's
what i want to listen to... and the music itself is what lifts my
spirits. that's why i like to listen to space-dye vest, etc., when i'm
down... it has nothing to do with wanting to be in that state, and
everything to do with wanting to get out of it...
along the same lines, when i'm happy, listening to surrounded...
well... :)
and i hear there's some cool harmonies in the studio version of To Live
Forever... of course, i wouldn't know, since i've NEVER seen it in any
store i've EVER been to. not that i'm bitter or anything... heh...
latah,
twistroad
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 14:17:12 -0400
From: Nick Giannotti <N.Giannotti@COMEQUITY.COM>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: A couple of things....
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=Commonwealth_Equ%l=MAIL_SERVER-970709181712Z-6536@mail_server.comequity.com>
Hey all. Just some random babbles:
Kyrre: Vai's a great guitarist, probably one of the best - but I'd like
him more than Petrucci if he'd stop telling me how good he is. IMHO, of
course.
Brandon:
>>...the album came out five months ago. GO OUT AND BUY IT NOW!!!!!!
Maybe where you are it did, but here in Boston, it's nowhere to be
found. At least, *I* can't find it. :(
Have a good one.
-Nicholas
>
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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 14:36:26 EDT
From: zarnoff069@juno.com (Mike Potvin)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mood Songs
Message-ID: <19970616.080228.4319.12.zarnoff069@juno.com>
Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but Led Zeppelin's D'yer Maker
always brings a smile to my face...It's just such a happy song...Every
time I hear Robert Plant sing "Oh oh oh oh-oh...You don't have to go-o"
I'm no longer in a bad mood....probably just me though...
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 97 11:44:19 -0600
From: "Kevin Donnelly" <KDonnelly@vines.ColoState.EDU>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Shameless promotion of.....
Message-ID: <vines.0,16+nrwknA@vines.ColoState.EDU>
FOR ALL COLORADO FANS OF PROGRESSIVE METAL :
I was at the QUEENSRYCHE concert last Saturday (rocked!!!) and on the
way out I was handed a flyer announcing the CD release and upcoming
concert for a local prog metal band called THE QUIET ROOM.
Being a radio station DJ I know this band from their excellent demo EP.
I want to highly recommend this band to the ytsejammers and shamelessly
promote the concert in Denver, Azatlan Theater on July 26 ($5 at door).
The new CD is called "Introspect" and is released on the Dominion Records
label on July 16. THE QUIET ROOM are a six member outfit with all the
right components of an epic prog metal band. They are not clones of anyone
but if you like DREAM THEATER (duh!), ELDRITCH, FATES WARNING, VAUXDVIHL,
NEVERMORE, QUEENSRYCHE then this is for you.
Sorry for the nonDTC.
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 15:09:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: besides....
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970709150717.13427B-100000@joust.rs.itd.umich.edu>
>> 3. Tourniquet: Pathogenic Occular Dissonance
>> 4. Dream Theater: Falling Into Infinity
> Am I dreaming? What is the line above doing in a list of CDs?? Am
> I missing something really obvious here??
Besides the fact that the guy just gave CD #3 away last week.....I don't
see nothing wrong with this list......you? :)
"He worshipped satan
he liked iron maiden
Now he's in the cold cold ground"
-- Psycho Joe
Blues traveller
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 97 15:13 EDT
From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bad Moods
Message-ID: <m0wm2B6-000B4UC@xcalibur.iinc.com>
When I'm in a pissed off mood, I listen to Flotsam And Jetsam (mostly Drift
and Cuatro) and when I'm sad, I listen to Queensryche. Not that these are
the only times I listen to these bands.
Don
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:51:22 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytchi Jam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Cc: "'Skadz'" <skadz@dreamt.org>
Subject: anonymous emails
Message-ID: <01BC8CAC.95030D40@ValEris.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
imposter@wee.wee wrote :
> No, fuck you. If you didn't have your head stuffed up your
> bald anus you'd know that it's "looser".
~~~~~~~~~
At least now we know he's been on this list for quite a while.
That 'bald anus' thing is an old Ytse inside joke. He must've
been on the Ytsejam for at least half a year (probably longer)
Maybe it's time for you to reveal your identy or just leave...
Either one will be fine by me.
_____
> Ytse-Rules
>
> If you start/particpiate in/continue/think about a post about any
> of the following topics (which will be updated from time to time) you
> will be automatically kicked off the list and banned permanently. A
> warning system is just stupid and takes too much of my time:
>
> 1) Sexual Orientation
> 2) Religion
> 3) Blind Melon
> 4) NIN
> 5) Metallica selling out
> 6) Top 10 Lists
> 7) Jokes
> 8) Any other long completely off-topic discussion
What about people who post anonymous emails, and those who fake
other people's addresses ? I *know* you didn't ask for requests
but this definately should be part of your Ytse-Rules. Just ask
Jeroen from the Freaks mailinglist about it...
Anyway, thanks for keeping the list around, Skadz... I would've
taken it down a long time ago, or just let someone else take it
over. Like I said, thanks for the Ytsejam (and the IRC server).
Mark
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 15:23:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mathieu Ferland <ferlandm@ift.ulaval.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: fear of evolution
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9707091406.A6996-0100000@weber.ift.ulaval.ca>
>
> Of course now adays, it's all been replaced by Tool. A song like 'H.' or
> 'jimmy' can really hit you emotianlly hard. And whenever you have one of
> those 'fuck everybody, society sucks' days, 'Aenema' is just perfect.
>
I totally agree with that. Tool are in my top 3 along with DT and Rush.
Talking about emotional songs, the list can be long, but there is one in
my mind: In the End from Victor...
Also, I would like to talk to composers. In last few jams, there was a
lot of posts about Rush and their evolution. I am myself a composer along
with my friends and we are playing since 1995. I don't think I'll make a
career as a bassist but if I had to, I wonder if I would be able to live
with the fear of changing of style.
I give an example:
Suppose you composed an album, and you see the success right in front of
you. You said "hey that's great, let's make another album"
The year after, you think you composed a better album, but most of people
do not agree with your change of style or influences.
What's your reaction? Continue in the same way or trying to please to others?
I know... I know... being a musician is play what you want, play what you
feel. But I think lots of groups were surprised by their first album and
the money attach to it.
Rush is my favorite group and truly respect them, but I wonder, in more
than 20 years of career, if they always played what they wanted.
Some media critics also talk about the "2nd album test" wich can be,
IMHO, very crucial in the evolution of a group.
I know it's been a while but I'm eager to listen to the new Eldritch, the
first one was incredible and excellent.
Sorry for the english, don't answer if you don't see my point of view.
Ferls
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 12:36:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Wet Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Fugazi
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.970709123549.62226G-100000@dante19.u.washington.edu>
> From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
> Subject: fugazi?
Cheese-filled bread?
> Never heard the band fugazi's music, ws under the impression they were
> a punkish outfit, tho.......does the band fugazi have anything at all
> to do with the album Fugazi by Marillion that showed up on Mr.
> Barnhart's NP list?
Fugazi is an Italian appetizer created by hollowing out a large sphere of
freshly-cooked bread and filling the crust-shell with freshly-melted (i.e.
in a liquid form) cheese. The chunks of removed bread are then dipped in
the steamy cheese and eaten as fast as possible. Afterwards the empty
cheese-glossed crust-shell is broken into pieces and devoured as well,
leaving no trace that the appetizer ever existed.
Actually I'm not sure if it's absolutely necessary to eat fugazi as fast
as possible, but that's how I've seen it eaten. Me, I ate slowly, and thus
had about two chunks of bread before it was all gone.
> "adventure, excitement, A Jedi craves not these things"
> -Silent Bob
"Touring? Solos? A Jedi musician craves not these things."
--Silent Myung
Bafu Vai
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1980 12:38:57 -0700
From: "ian" <the_trooper@mindless.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: name my band!!!!
Message-ID: <199707091938.PAA07859@ren.globecomm.net>
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 12:40:39 -0700
From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Quoth ye Coverdale...
Message-ID: <199707091940.MAA16402@main.cfmc.com>
Here I Go Again...
>From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
>
>> shred guitar must be measured (and inevitably it falls short). Someone
>> recently mentioned a classification of this album as "Neoclassical"....
>
>I hate when people classify this stuff as "neoclassical." Look in your
>music history books, guys, and you'll find out what neoclasscal is. <BTW,
>this is not directed at the author/s of this post--I don't want to
>misquote anyone.> I hate when people call Yngwie neoclassical. He's more
>like "neo-Baroque" but technically, i would just call it Baroque. The
>only difference is in the orchestration and the occasional slip from
>harmonic minor into Phrygian. This man has ripped of Bach, Vivaldi,
>Paganinni, and other great Baroque composers. How can that make him
>neoclassical?
Well, you know how all of this happens. "Classical" is a term used to
describe a certain set of musical styles generally played by a symphony or
chamber group or some similar musical construct. You're right, though...the
Classical is really a PERIOD, which becomes somewhat more problematic when
you cease talking about Mozart and Early Beethoven and move to history more
generally, where there're phrases like "Classical Europe," "Classical
Greece" and the "Classical Style" of a series of art forms. You're right,
though -- Yngwie's not really playing Rimsky-Korsakov...he's doing his own
take on Baroque. Still, I don't think he observes all the conventions of
the era...I'm sticking with the neo- prefix, even if it probably shouldn't
be slapped on the generic "classical."
(This post shortened for clarity)
Five Gratuitous CD's:
=====================
1. Rush: Fly By Night
2. Primus: The Brown Album
3. Shadow Gallery: Carved in Stone
4. Yes: Fragile
5. Weather Report: Night Passage
Adam D. Barnhart
adamb@cfmc.com
ydnt85a@prodigy.com
http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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