YTSEJAM Digest 2727
Today's Topics:
1) Which Bonham??
by Matt Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com>
2) Upset ex-members strike back (NDTC)
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
3) Re: Mood Songs
by "Blondie Smurf" <cyradis1@hotmail.com>
4) Re: Enchant's new one
by Gonzo1298@aol.com
5) Suppression, Orgys, & Clonings
by "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
6) Guitarists
by "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
7) Re:guitar zone
by shields@onr.com (Jim Shields)
8) faqs and pickles
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
9) Rush
by Lars Hellsten <lars@shaw.wave.ca>
10) Chicago Jammers! 2 QR tix FOR SALE!
by bogie@MIT.EDU
11) Re: Enchant's new one
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
12) The prog tape swap from several months back
by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
13) imposters are cool
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
14) A Few Things... Including DTC!!!
by MTeiper@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 17:58:34 -0400
From: Matt Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Which Bonham??
Message-ID: <33C4098A.8CA@disknet.com>
> > > (okay, folks, open fire...I think Baker's a better drummer than Bonham).
> >
> > No, NOW open fire: I actually think Rutsey's better than BOTH of 'em.
>
> I would say that Bonham kicks both their asses into next week, along with anyone
> else, but I also think Zeppelin is the greatest band of all time, so...
What about Jason Bonham? You know, the son of John from Zep. Who, IMO
kicks his Dad's butt all over the drum set, not to mention most other
drummers (except Portnoy of course). Just thought I'd clarify WHICH
Bonham is best IMO. $0.02...........
Matt
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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 18:12:37 -0700
From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Upset ex-members strike back (NDTC)
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970710011237.00671700@pop.pipeline.com>
All you Crue and Kiss fans out there who haven't read the news
lately will be interested to read the following articles:
>.c The Associated Press
>NASHVILLE, Tenn. (July 9) - Vinnie Vincent wants more from Kiss.
>The former Kiss guitarist sued the band for defrauding him of royalties.
>In court papers, Vincent claims he refused to sign an employment agreement
during his tenure with the band from 1982-84. He claims the band retaliated
by cutting his salary >in half to $1,000 a week, and other indignities.
>Vincent, 44, whose real name is Vincent Cusano, said he wants at least $1.3
million and >he wants young musicians to be treated better by the music
business.
>''They give their hearts and souls and never get anything back but
heartache,'' he said >at a news conference Tuesday.
>The lawsuit, filed Monday in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles, also named
the band's >record company, Polygram Inc.
>Vincent co-wrote the songs ''I Love it Loud'' and ''Lick it Up.''
>.c The Associated Press
>
>LOS ANGELES (July 8) - A former lead singer of the heavy-metal band Motley
Crue claims >in a lawsuit that the group unfairly dumped him, then talked
trash about him.
>John Corabi worked on an album released in 1994 and was replaced last year
when the >band's original lead singer, Vince Neil, returned.
>Corabi is seeking at least $4 million from drummer Tommy Lee, guitarist
Mick Mars, >bassist Nikki Sixx and Elektra Entertainment. He contends he was
a victim of fraud, >slander and breach of contract.
>Corabi claims Lee, Mars and Sixx said there was room for him in the band,
even after >Neil came back in September. In March he was fired, he said.
>Months before that, the band had stopped paying him, leaving him ''nearly
destitute'' >and living off of loans, Corabi said in the lawsuit filed Monday.
>And band members ''bad mouthed'' him after he left, telling interviewers he
couldn't >handle the pressure of being in the band, Corabi claimed.
>''John might never have pursued his claim if he had been treated with a
little respect >by his former collaborators,'' said his lawyer, Bryan Sheldon.
>Corabi also said he contributed or composed ''at least 80 percent'' of the
music on the >band's new album, ''Generation Swine,'' and that the band owes
him about $80,000 for >his work on its 1994 album.
>An Elektra Records spokesman declined to comment on the lawsuit.
CD of the day: Fates Warning - Parallels
Detroit Red Wings - 1996-97 Stanley Cup Champions
Kevin
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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 15:45:00 PDT
From: "Blondie Smurf" <cyradis1@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Mood Songs
Message-ID: <199707092245.PAA18215@f31.hotmail.com>
>Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 16:13:53 -0700 (MST)
>From: eckie@asu.edu
>To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
>Subject: Mood Songs
>Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970707160555.16156A-100000@general3.asu.edu>
>
>No, this isn't a Pure Moods ad...
>
>I'm wonderin' what songs are out there that ppl listen to when they
feel
>they're in the shitter, tha dumps, really low 'n shit. Something to
>bring you up or just keep your mind preoccupied to prevent the really
bad
>thoughts to start churning.
>
The ones that I normally listen to for a pick me up are:
DT--I&W: The overall sound of this album is sort of a you've gotta keep
going sound that works really well when someone's down.
QR--Empire: Love this album. I'll program Another Rainy Night, Empire,
and Silent Lucidity to repeat. Esp. love Silent Lucidity..
Tom Petty--She's the One: This is probably my faverite soundtrack..
Angel Dream #4 is just awesome..
Rush--Moving Picures: Quite simply, a great album that has some of my
fave. Rush sougs on it.
Also like to watch movies or read. Anything to escape, huh =)
Alison
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:02:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gonzo1298@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Enchant's new one
Message-ID: <970709190207_-1829465867@emout18.mail.aol.com>
kaljoe@rpi.edu (Egils Kaljo) wrote:
>>the new Enchant album - "Wounded". I picked it up a few
>>weeks ago and having listened to it a few times now, was
>>not too taken with it. The songs all sounded slightly too
>>similar, and at times they seemed to be trying too hard.
Personally, I love the CD. Enchant is more like Marillion and Rush than DT,
so if you prefer prog-metal than Enchant may not be your thing. Tracks like
"Pure", "Look Away" and "Distractions" really stand out for me. I like Ted
Leonard's voice quite a bit. He does sound like Steve Walsh and there's
nothing wrong with that!!
The first disc is just as great as "Wounded", although "Wounded" is decidedly
more consistent, IMHO. Douglas Ott is a poor man's Steve Rothery. Comments
are welcome, of course!
Gonzo
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:12:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Pipe Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Suppression, Orgys, & Clonings
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.970709161206.25938A-100000@dante15.u.washington.edu>
> From: imposter@wee.wee
> To: (Recipient list suppressed)
Suppressed? Is that like holding off a bunch of progressive metal fans
with a suppressing fire? Should we use short, controlled bursts?
> No, fuck you. If you didn't have your head stuffed up your bald anus
> you'd know that it's "looser".
Bald anus!! ARGH!! He's not a newbie!! It's an inside job!! (inside job,
heh heh... bald anus, hehheh... unintentional punnage..)
> Ahem, I believe the correct term is: "Say that to my face and I'll
> flatten you like a fucking pancake, boyeeeeEEEE!!!"
Much like the duet Bon Jovi did with Public Enemy: "I'm a cowBOYYYY!! On a
steeeeel muthaFUCKA I ride!!"
>> And by what standard does one determine a "penis-length?" I've heard
>> that if a man makes a "gun" shape with his hand (bangbang!), it's the
>> distance from the tip of his index finger to the tip of his thumb. This
>
> Speak for yourself Bafu! If your dick's that short, you must be gayer
> than a wootananny!
It would seem I must re-explain the idea in more detailed terms in order
for Mystery Guests to dnerustand it.
1. You've never seen my hands.
2. If I place my thumb-tip on the headstock-facing end of the first fret
(called the NUT in guitar circles) and stretch out my index finger, I can
reach the seventh fret. So go grab a guitar and fumble towards ecstacy.
3. If you believe that any human who is not the product of human-horse
cross-breeding can reach lengths, you been watchin' too many'a Mike Bahr's
pornos. Meaning: the test is a load of bumbershootananny.
> BTW, I just want to announce to the Ytsejam that I am as gay as a
> wootananny. Every weekend me and Bafu have wild orgys with Derek and
> Neil Peart.
Kevin Moore used to join in, but Peart was so rough he destroyed one of
Moore's testicles, leaving the poor guy with cancer.
> I just thought I'd mention that, because I'm not a hypocrite, and I
> love to brag about my greatness and always get the last word in! How
> many of you have fucked Neil Peart, Derek, or Bafu??? I fucking kick
> ass like a wootananny!
Since "woot" has been determined to be pronounced "wut," your previous
term can only logically be pronounced as "hut"ananny. Like Jabba the
Hutananny.
> This has been a presentation of:
> The Imposter of the Imposter That Took the YtseJam
Ah shit, now it's spawning...
Bafu Vai
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:12:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Pipe Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Guitarists
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.970709161229.25938B-100000@dante15.u.washington.edu>
> From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
> Subject: For Guitarists - and anyone else who appreciates guitar!
>
> JOEY TAFOLLA: What the hell happened to this guy? I got his disc
> "Infra Blue" and immediately categorized him in the "pretty decent but
> just like everyone else" shrapnel guitarist category. Maybe everyone
> else did too...
Tony MacAlpine mentioned a great album of Tafolla's called "Out Of The
Sun," in reference to one Paul Gilbert who does some guest solos on the
album. Supposedly Gilbert came into the studio one day to do his parts and
nailed them all on one take, which left the studio guys scratching their
heads as to what they should do next.
"Let's see, that took eight whole minutes... Um... *click* Alright, Paul?
Yeah, let's do another take just to see how things turn out, okay? *click*
Why didn't he just tape this at home and drop the tape off with us?"
Then Gilbert nailed everything perfectly a second time. MacAlpine
expressed Gilbert's soloing efforts by flailing his arms in the air and
shouting "WHIRRRRRR!!!" like some kind of angry, loud motor. When Tony Mac
does something like that to describe a contemporary, that contemporary
must be one fast mofo. ;)
> VITO BRATTA: I am a fan of White Lion, mostly because I think Vito was
> perhaps the cream of the crop of EVH sound-alikes. He wasn't entirely
> an EVH ripoff, but the influence is central to Vito's style. Vito was
> also an amazing solo "writer." Check out the solo for "Goin' Home
> Tonight", or "Wait", or "Little Fighter," etc.. I always think of him
> and Nuno Bettencourt as taking the same approach to soloing - they
> create a little "song within a song" in their solos.
In my opinion Eddie Van Halen could never be as fluid as Vito Bratta.
I've never heard anyone play like Bratta, all I know is he worked out all
his album playing on acoustic guitars before going into the studio to
record, which might explain why his stuff sounds so effortless. I've heard
that live White Lion shows were a different story, but Bratta has always
maintained that he viewed guitar playing as "a hobby, not an occupation."
And I think I already mentioned what Cari Wuhrer thought of "Little
Fighter." :)
> MICHAEL FATH: This guy is pretty good, but most of his work did not
> move me. He didn't seem to be as original as some of the others in this
> list, and that turned me off initially. I have only one of his albums,
> however. Can anyone else comment further?
Yeah, sure I can comment further. I used to play Photon and paintball with
Fath's bassist, Dave Crigger. He's married now, has a government job, and
is expecting a child. But he was one wyLd d00d.
> PAUL GILBERT: Paul is an awesome guitarist. I have a live RacerX disc
Dr. Mosh: But how do you define "fast?" I mean, who do you consider to be
a "fast" guitarist?
Bafu Vai: Paul Gilbert. Paul Gilbert is a FAST guitarist.
> I have a Mr. Big concert on video (the officially released one) which
> really shows how cool their tunes can be in a live setting, with
> Gilbert and Billy Sheehan just going off.
Do Gilbert and Sheehan ever solo during Mr. Big shows? What about Torpey?
I'm talking long, extended spotlight stuff. ??
Five Gratuitous CD's:
=====================
1. Nuno: Schizophonic
2. Ashley MacIsaac: Hi, How Are You Today?
3. Gary Hoey: Bug Alley
4. T-Ride: T-Ride
5. Sarah McLachlan: The Freedom Sessions
Adam D. Barnhart
adamb@cfmc.com
ydnt85a@prodigy.com
http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 18:28:03 -0600
From: shields@onr.com (Jim Shields)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re:guitar zone
Message-ID: <v01530500afe9da3245c9@[206.104.9.7]>
>As a fan of both
>>guitarists, I must claim that V. could play rings around P.
I have to disagree. I've seen 'em both in concert, thoroughly scrutinized
most of their respective albums, and I think that Petrucci is a better
guitarist (And, he signed my guitar). I think they are about even as far a
soloing is concerned, but Vai can't hold a candle to Petrucci's rhythm
playing (Although the Fire Garden Suite comes close). Listen to Take the
Time, Metropolis, Voices, and Learning to Live (in the bigger font), to see
what i mean.
One concession I will make is that Vai has a more varied style. His music
changes from song to song while still remaining pure Vai. Also, Vai plays
stuff besides guitar (mainly keyboard) which i have not heard of Petrucci
playing.
btw, IMHO means "In My Humble Opinion" (I think)
James Colyer Shields
Undergraduate--UT Austin School of Engineering
Guitar/Backup Vocals--Room 213
Independent Distributor
--New Vision International
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 20:04:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: faqs and pickles
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970709195840.20152A-100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: zarnoff069@juno.com (Mike Potvin)
> Subject: S.T.A. - (Stop the Abrev.)
>
> have we become that lazy that we need to abreviate "Vai?"
Y.
> also...what the hell does IMHO mean?
It means "You should read the FAQ and become familiar with it before
posting questions to the list."
----> From: "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@subtlerage.com> > Subject: zep/composing/pickle > > pickle. it's mature, yet beckons for you to listen...
LOL! If he doesn't use that, can I?
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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 19:28:03 -0400 From: Lars Hellsten <lars@shaw.wave.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rush Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970709192755.007a9cb0@mail.tor.shaw.wave.ca>
Well, to put my little bit in on this thread, like many others, if I want to listen to something to pick up my spirits, there's nothing like a little Rush. HYF is probably my favourite Rush album. Time Stand Still is probably one of the most inspiring songs of all time for me. For some reason it can always take a negative situation and turn it around and make me think about it positively... has anyone else found this?
DT have a lot of songs that are good to listen to when I'm in a happy/pumped up mood (Metropolis), but I find that if I'm depressed they don't pick me up. In terms of songs that I want to listen to to stay depressed, well, maybe SDV, but I rarely get depressed anyway.
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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 20:24:26 EDT From: bogie@MIT.EDU To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Chicago Jammers! 2 QR tix FOR SALE! Message-ID: <9707100024.AA01699@helpdesk3.MIT.EDU>
Okay, Chicago Jammers!
I have 2 tickets available for Queensryche's show on the 12th of July, this Saturday at the World Music Theater.
They are section 205, row TT, seats 11 and 12. They are good seats - center stage about 40th row. I paid $75 for the 2 tickets including that service garbage Ticketshafter adds on. I will be willing to part with them for $60 for the 2.
$60! 2 tickets at the World on the 12th for Queensryche!
Anyone interested please email me immediately at bogie@mit.edu If you are in the area, I could probably deliver them to your door if necessary or we can arrange something before the show.
And, Chris Ptacek, if you know anyone who wants to go, please let me know.
Thanks, Nick
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:32:03 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Enchant's new one Message-ID: <4A2564D0.00027F9A.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
I just got Enchant's new album, 'Time Lost', German only import, it is a collection of studio outtakes and demo's, 7 tracks 55 min long, ranging from 6 - 10 minutes each. What does it sound like ? Fucking awesome, how these songs never made it onto 'Blueprint' or 'Wounded' is beyond me. I know this Cd is hard to find and pretty expensive, but it is a must for you hardcore Enchant fans out there.
Graham
Full review to follow, along with new Eldritch and Angra
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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 19:34:47 -0500 From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The prog tape swap from several months back Message-ID: <33C42E27.5D0@auburn.net>
Hi, everyone! Today I was listening (for the 1,538th time) to the tapes I received from Brian Kirk, Ed Reed, and one other person whose name I can't remember in the progressive tape swap that took place on the 'jam a few months after I joined (16??). As a result of those tapes I have bought the following CDs: Echolyn "As The World", Pendragon "Masquerade Overture", Marillion "Made Again", Savatage "Handful Of Rain", Superior "Behind", Galctic Cowboys "GC", Shadow Gallery "Carved In Stone", Lemur Voice "Insights", and Tori Amos "Little Earthquakes. Quite a sampling, eh?
Anyway, the swap was a complete success for me. Since it's been several months since the swap took place, and there are many new 'jammers on board, I think it would be a good idea to organize another one. If no one else is interested in organizing it, I will do it. If you are interested, please email me and let me know.
Looking forward to another tape swap, Mark Peters swifty@auburn.net -- *********************************************************************** * Mark Peters -- swifty@auburn.net -- Auburn University, Class of '99 * * Ytsejammer, tape trader at http://www.auburn.net/~swifty/index.html * * * * "When they took away the Fourth Amendment, I was quiet because I * * didn't deal drugs. When they took away the Sixth, I was quiet * * because I was innocent. When they took away the Second, I was * * quiet because I don't own a gun. Now they've taken away the First, * * and I can say nothing about it." -- author unknown. * ***********************************************************************
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 20:42:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: imposters are cool Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970709202824.2796A-100000@umbc9.umbc.edu>
On Wed, 9 Jul 1997 imposter@wee.wee wrote:
> This is a presentation of: > The Imposter of the Imposter That Took the YtseJam
This guy is really an inspiration to us all. I wish I had chunks and chunks of time on my hand devising neat tricks to mess up a whole list. Be proud...this is a crowning achievement. Something to tell your grand kids.
Also, what's up with your email address? Wee.wee??? I think you'll soon be known to the ytsejam as Mr. Wee-wee instead of the imposter. Just for future reference, I'd pick a more "balls and chunk" address next time around. Wee.wee just doesn't cut it.
It's one thing to hide your face behind an email address (we all do that). It's a totally different thing to hide your face behind a fake email address which hides behind a real email address?
I think it's safe to say this guy has a severe problem being comfortable with his own identity.
My name is Brandon Elhai. I am not ashamed to admit it. What's yours?
Brandon
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 20:45:54 -0400 (EDT) From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A Few Things... Including DTC!!! Message-ID: <970709204553_-1978176272@emout18.mail.aol.com>
Hi everyone -
Just wanted to discuss a few things here. First, I'd been meaning to write regarding how I first got into Rush. It seems like most out there are dissing "Moving Pictures" as a starting point. Well, that's where it began for me, folks! I can remember loving tunes like "Tom Sawyer", "Red Barchetta", and "Limelight" on my crappy little transistor radio in my bedroom. I can still remember buying the album (it was one of my first albums ever!), and I spent many a night playing it time after countless time, memorizing every note and word. And here I am, maybe 15 years older and a little wiser :-), and that album sounds today as great as it did back then. IMHO, album is as close to perfect as Rush has ever gotten. My God, "Witch Hunt" still gives me chills. Now, I love many of Rush's other albums, but I always find myself using MP as the litmus test. Just my 2 cents worth.
In regards to a review of the new DT material, I must say that "Burning My Soul" hits me where it counts more so than any of the other new ones. HEAVY!!! But very catchy... sounds like something that could've been on Awake (maybe in the same vein as "The Mirror/Lie"). As far as the rest, I loved Peruvian Skies, Take Away My Pain, and Lines In the Sand. The only one that I think I'll need time to grow into in Just Let Me Breathe. Oh yeah, I also heard Raise the Knife. It has great parts, but tends to wander in places. I'll have to hear it fully with vocals and stuff. I also really liked Where Are You Now. I hope that makes the final album cut.
Now then, I have some great news for your South American Jammers...in my latest issue of Metal Edge, which arrived today, the following news blurb appeared, and I quote: "Dio, Dream Theater, Manowar, Whitesnake, Type O Negative, and Angra are slated to take part in the Mosters Of Rock Festival in Sao Paulo, Brazil on August 30." I am very pleased for you S.A. Jammers who are yet to witness the greatness, but for us Americans... DAMN!!!!!! :-) Anybody care to make a boot of the WHOLE gig? Angra and DT on the same bill? Is this Heaven? (No, it's Iowa...)
That's all for now... Peace, all!!! - Matt T.
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