YTSEJAM Digest 2726
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2719
by GnRBrks@aol.com
2) Rush remasters
by "LisaMarie Peterson" <ytsegirl@hotmail.com>
3) Optical Illusion
by zarnoff069@juno.com (Mike Potvin)
4) S.T.A. - (Stop the Abrev.)
by zarnoff069@juno.com (Mike Potvin)
5) Guitar Zone
by "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
6)
by imposter@wee.wee
7) Your So-Called Life
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
8) The Quiet Room Recommendation
by Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
9) zep/composing/pickle
by "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
10) DuTcH DT Fanclub Stuff/ RocK E Zine
by "D. Schoen" <denis.schoen@tip.nl>
11) Re: Mood Songs
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
12) Crashing the party inside the foyer near the entrance to infinity
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
13) Ranking of the Bahr CDs...
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
14) primus, band names, etc...
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
15) Re: DIE!!!
by "Blondie Smurf" <cyradis1@hotmail.com>
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 15:42:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: GnRBrks@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2719
Message-ID: <970709154208_93475795@emout02.mail.aol.com>
Just a quick question.
Whats the big deal about Tori Amos?
Please no-body flame. Seriously though!!
Glen <GnRBrks@aol.com>
Mike Bahr,maybe you should answer.
Thanks in Advance!
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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 12:56:36 PDT
From: "LisaMarie Peterson" <ytsegirl@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rush remasters
Message-ID: <199707091956.MAA27107@f13.hotmail.com>
Hey Jammers :o>
All this talk of Rush lately has prompted me to have a little contest...
sorry, if you aren't in ack mode, this isn't going to do you any good...
http://members.wbs.net/homepages/j/e/s/jessiebannon.html
If you are the 2112th visitor to my homepage, capture the counter image
that says "visits: 2112", email it to me, and you can have your choice
of these three Rush remasters... Permanent Waves, Power Windows, or
Moving Pictures. I accidentally pre-ordered those twice, and I don't
really feel like returning them :o)
Seeya!
Lisa Marie
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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 15:56:43 EDT
From: zarnoff069@juno.com (Mike Potvin)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Optical Illusion
Message-ID: <19970616.092151.4319.17.zarnoff069@juno.com>
>OK, optical illusion time. Everyone get out your I&W cd, and look at
the
>back of the case, where it lists the titles of the songs. Is it just
me,
>or is "Learning To Live" in a larger font than the rest of the songs?
o ma god! that mutha iz hyooj!
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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 15:56:43 EDT
From: zarnoff069@juno.com (Mike Potvin)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: S.T.A. - (Stop the Abrev.)
Message-ID: <19970616.092151.4319.19.zarnoff069@juno.com>
>Vai, and that Vai doesn't play with musicians of the same caliber).
>OK. First of all, I must admit it's hard being fan of both DT and
>Vai, when confronted with the P vs V deal. As a fan of both
>guitarists, I must claim that V. could play rings around P.
have we become that lazy that we need to abreviate "Vai?"
also...what the hell does IMHO mean?
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Date: 09 Jul 97 12:37:52 -0700
From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Guitar Zone
Message-ID: <199707092010.NAA22394@mailseq4.us.oracle.com>
Walter (I think):
Thanks for posting that Guitar Zone URL. It's a great starting point for
finding info on instrumental guitarists. In case anyone is interested and
missed it:
http://www.realpage.com/guitarzone/index.html
cheers,
-Neil.
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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 15:43:59 -0400
From: imposter@wee.wee
To: (Recipient list suppressed)
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970709154351.007fd100@wee.wee>
> At least now we know he's been on this list for quite a while.
> That 'bald anus' thing is an old Ytse inside joke. He must've
> been on the Ytsejam for at least half a year (probably longer)
> Maybe it's time for you to reveal your identy or just leave...
Dumbass! I'm not the real imposter! I'm the imposter of the imposter, and
if you don't leave me alone, I'll imposter YOUR ass! And I've been on here
since before The Ytse & The Jam so TAKE THAT, boy! Or maybe I am the real
imposter! We have at least 3 imposters here! Which is the real one? Oh!
I'll take door #1 please!
My real identity? Why, I'm Mike Portnoy of course! Duh! If I'm not Mike
Portnoy, my name ain't Chris Ptacek! What was that about no jokes on the
YtseJam?
Wouldn't a The Ytse & The Jam II series would be cool right about now?
This is a presentation of:
The Imposter of the Imposter That Took the YtseJam
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 13:24:32 -0700
From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Your So-Called Life
Message-ID: <199707092024.NAA04543@main.cfmc.com>
>From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
>
>This comment actually physically hurt. I got a severe headache after
>reading that, and I had to get away from the computer for about ten
>minutes. Half The World is my favorite TFE song (though Totem is a really
>close second). It's no 2112 or anything (and I *do* think that guy is the
>only one that dislikes that song), but it's a Good Rock Song. It's sparse
>enough to let Ged go nuts, basswise. I thought Alex had a really nice,
>aggresive tone on it. Neil... is just Neil.
Well, at least I'm not the only one who thinks "Half the World" is a really
cool song....but now you know how I feel about "Resist." That's the BEST
song on the album, man!
"2112" was one that took me a while to fully appreciate. I didn't grab it,
at first, the way I would later. But when I finally got into it....
>But to compare Ged's voice with Spootie... OK, so it's funny as shit.
>It's still bad and wrong. :)
Oh yeah....I like Hootie, too. I've got their last two records. Burn me, I
guess....I should be watching Barney or something, huh?
Five Gratuitous CD's:
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1. Rush: Fly By Night
2. Primus: The Brown Album
3. ELP: Black Moon
4. Johnny Cash: Live at Folsom and San Quentin
5. Tori Amos: Under the Pink
Adam D. Barnhart
adamb@cfmc.com
ydnt85a@prodigy.com
http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:24:15 -0400
From: Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The Quiet Room Recommendation
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=bostech%l=CARRIER-970709202415Z-33232@carrier.rd1.bostech.com>
>> I was at the QUEENSRYCHE concert last Saturday (rocked!!!) and
>> on the way out I was handed a flyer announcing the CD release and
>> upcoming concert for a local prog metal band called THE QUIET ROOM.
>>
>> Being a radio station DJ I know this band from their excellent demo
>> EP. I want to highly recommend this band to the ytsejammers and
>> shamelessly promote the concert in Denver, Azatlan Theater on July
>> 26 ($5 at door).
I wholeheartedly agree with this recommendation. Although the EP is
only about 26 or so minutes, this band sounds really decent. Most of
the material is similar in style to DT at 70% of their peak metallicity
(I know that this just *has* to be a word) and 50% of thier musical
complexity (which is not bad at all). In other words, it rocks pretty
well.
I plan on getting the new CD right when it becomes available and will
send along a review to the jam. I know that it will include the
original songs from the EP (with parts redone/rerecorded) along with
some new songs. I really think that this would not be a show to miss.
Later,
Mark Metzger
mmetzger@bostech.com
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 15:58:05 +0000
From: "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: zep/composing/pickle
Message-ID: <199707092035.PAA08029@soli.inav.net>
> Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but Led Zeppelin's D'yer Maker
> always brings a smile to my face...It's just such a happy song...Every
> time I hear Robert Plant sing "Oh oh oh oh-oh...You don't have to go-o"
> I'm no longer in a bad mood....probably just me though...
i love that song. it's what my senior class chose to play at our
high school graduation. our first pick was floyd's "another brick
in the wall" but the administration didn't think some of the lyrics
were appropriate... ah well.
> Suppose you composed an album, and you see the success right in front of
> you. You said "hey that's great, let's make another album"
> The year after, you think you composed a better album, but most of people
> do not agree with your change of style or influences.
> What's your reaction? Continue in the same way or trying to please to others?
> I know... I know... being a musician is play what you want, play what you
> feel. But I think lots of groups were surprised by their first album and
> the money attach to it.
that depends. if what everyone is telling you to write is something
you simply don't want to do, then i say don't do it. but if it's
something you wouldn't mind doing, and you're willing to compromise
a little, why not? i'd assume that by the time you release an album
that's successful, you'd already have quit your day job... the
money's got to come from somewhere.
> Hello my name is ian and my band and i are stuck on deciding a name. =
> Help please.
pickle. it's mature, yet beckons for you to listen...
-Andrew
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| Andrew Miller - keyboardist/vocalist - subtlerage |
| http://www.subtlerage.com - subtlerage@subtlerage.com |
| "first impressions" released. cassettes available |
| an 8/97 release is planned for sr2 *ON CDS!!!* |
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 22:46:09 +0200
From: "D. Schoen" <denis.schoen@tip.nl>
To: "Ytse Jam Mailing list" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DuTcH DT Fanclub Stuff/ RocK E Zine
Message-ID: <m0wm3dR-000JXvC@helium.tip.nl>
Hello fellow Jammers !
Check out the following Site http://www.tip.nl/users/rockezine
Here you can find some great review of the latest metal/rock concerts in
Holland (KISS/Fates Warning/Many others)
Also there is a link to see the Full colour cover of the latest Theater Of
Dreams Fanmag. (If you double click on the picture, the reviews of all
three dutch DREAM THEATERS shows will pop up !!!)
All is written in English, so check this site out !!!
Denis Schoen/Theater Of Dreams~Holland~
Note to Mike Bahr:
So it seems that there is no email connection possible between us, perhaps
you can say it on the jam what you wanted to mail me.
I only wanted to know if you received my last package with tod's and cd's ?
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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 97 13:06:18 PST8
From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Mood Songs
Message-ID: <9706098684.AA868481165@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
>I had Space Dye Vest playin' in continuous repeat last night...pure
>poetry, but I still don't get half of the voice overs in that songs.
Eckie,
Just go get the DT Song Book... it has them all transcibed for your
listening pleasure....<G>
~Mike
~Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ)
Email: mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com / mkizer@goodnet.com / fugazi@weirdness.com
URL: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer
Fates Warning (Island in the Stream) & Dream Theater ("Unofficial" Song Book)
*** Sola sapientia est qui me in merda posuit ***
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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 21:13:48 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Crashing the party inside the foyer near the entrance to infinity
Message-ID: <33C3FF0C.FF6@mailstorm.dot.gov>
About 30 jams to catch up on, so if this is old news, too bad :)
First, let's address Mr. Biggus Dickus:
> Jeremy Hay.. oops
The only oops was that your parents didn't go through with the abortion.
Now, this is in no way represent my views on abortion or any views by
any associations with whom I'm affiliated. I just feel sometimes there
are cases for justifiable homicide :)
> The Impostor That Took the Ytsejam
Kewl!
Now go back to your room and pull on it some more. That makes two things
you spend way too much time doing :)
By the way, folks, in case you hadn't figured it out (I just noticed
D-man did a couple of posts later, but here we go anyways :), the issue
has nothing to do with being gay/straight, the issue here is one of
forgery. He could have said: "I'm D-man and I want everyone to know that
I pick my nose and eat it." He chose that particular topic knowing it
would, ONCE AGAIN, start another intractable discussion.
If you've learned nothing else, learn to ignore. It's all part of
self-control. Or at most, joke about it :) It deserves nothing more. By
acknowledging it, it allows his cock to grow to it's full, enormous
size, and thus re-enforces what he's been attempting to prove to
everyone all along!
Come on back soon, putz. This was fun :)
mamalookabubuday:
> They're just words people, take a deep breath and relax.
He said "deep", uh huh huh
Chris the "real-deal" D-man comments on coghlanm@ix.netcom.com:
> You're merely another man, Mike.
You're reaching again, Chris...
Gee, currently only 27 jams to go to catch up.... I wonder what else I
may find along the way. More material, perhaps? :)
Jon
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 14:19:36 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ranking of the Bahr CDs... Message-ID: <199707092119.OAA12959@goodnet.com>
Just thought I'd pitch in to what could wind up being a really great thread. These are my Cds as I'd rank them myself. Now remember, to get to the top of this list and _stay_ there means it had better be pretty darned good, because in the process of making them, I've heard all of these _hundreds_ of times. :)
1. King's X - Acoustic Spirits. When it comes out, you'll all know why. 2. DT - Precious Things. The sound just really made me happy on this one. 3. DT - Acoustic Dreams. Another big one for sound plus content. 4. Rush - Virtual Songs. It's like AM/PM: "Too much good stuff!" 5. DT - The Darkest of Winters. It really seemed to capture the flavor of those Holidays shows, and had some nice rarities on it. 6. Rush - Critical Mass. Again, sound quality. Content is good too. 7. DT - When Dream And Today Unite. It fulfills a wish of many DT fans: to have a CD of WDADU with James singing. 8. Tori Amos - Inside The Storm. I was happy with the sound and very happy with the content, but the manufacturing of this one was a nightmare, including the seizure of the print run by 3M. 9. DT - Antiquities. Not because it lacked for good material, but because a lot of the stuff on it is demos, and thus raw sound quality. The version of TTT on this is possibly the best I've heard. 10. DT - Scenes From a Memory. See Antiquities. 11. Queensryche - Nonexistent. I only put this and the Megadeth CD so low because there's a slight technical glitch on them that I never could figure out the cause of. It has not affected any of my other CDs before or since. And I'm a perfectionist, so it bothers me. 11. (Tie) Megadeth - Razing Arizona. See above. I mean, both of these shows were satellite soundboard, so the content and sound quality is there. It's that damned mystery glitch. You could listen to the entire CD and not notice it... or to one song and never miss it!:) 13. DT - Subconscious. I really didn't know what I was doing yet when I made this. It's a miracle it came out as well as it did. Overall I suppose it's not too bad, but it's not much of a fun listen if you've heard the demos already, and some of the stuff on it has since been released. It DID help ACOS get released..a plus. 14. Metallica - The Wrath of God. I still enjoy listening to this from time to time, but the release was a nightmare, still backlashing from the Tori problem. And Metallica fans are way too impatient compared to you Jammers. The sound wasn't really all that bad. 15. Rush - Cygnus. The most critically slaughtered of all my CDs, with the worst packaging of all my CDs, not even numbered, with content that I only found out afterward I could have improved... argh. The only reason you'd want this now is to have soundboard ver- sions of the cygnus saga, AFTK, and Circ, without having to fork out $45-60 for the 2-disc version another boot company put out.
And hey hey hey, that's DT content up there. :)
Someone asked what religion I was... I won't get into the religious debate though, because there's no need to. I was raised a Roman Catholic, but I don't really do much with it anymore other than go to Church. No missionary crusaders here in Gilbert, folks. :) It's a minor miracle that I'm not Mormon like 90% (it seems) of the other people in the east valley of the Phoenix metro area. All my long-time local friends are, and just about everyone I went to school with, was. Fascinating.
As for persecution sliding off my back... grin. That's an Arizona thing, not a Mike thing. I began to notice it in my dealings with my wife's side of the family. They're all from Chicago, and the general mindset there is very aggressive, pro-active, and frequently high-stress as a result. Only after interacting with those types did I realize just how much everyday annoyance I usually blew off and didn't let bother me. Virtually everything that happened had them aggravated, irritated, griping, or otherwise upset. At one point they asked me if I was just some sort of druggie, because they'd never interacted with someone who just sat peacefully through what they viewed as genuine honest-to-goodness problems and/or crises. So the mirror goes both ways... I see them as oversensitive heart-attacks-waiting-to-happen, and they see me as inattentive and substandard-at-socialization. It's amazing how perceptions change depending on whose point of view one takes. I wonder how this affects the members of DT. They're from New York, and in New York, if someone is overly friendly to you, you RUN (don't walk) in the other direction. So they may be genuinely unprepared for how friendly and chummy a lot of the fans can be toward them, backstage and such. And that's where the misunderstandings arise. I remember James saying once in an interview that he really just needed his space, and that he didn't mean to be cranky toward the fans. (This was back in 1994-5 or so, and he's rather good at the schmoozing thing now, so I guess he solved the problem).
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:29:56 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu> To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: primus, band names, etc... Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970709171952.18031A-100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> > Subject: Laval Road > > I was with you (though I didn't agree) when you liked putting "Moving > Pictures" and "Signals" together, thinking they were more similar than > "Hemispheres" and "Permanent Waves." But "Moving Pictures" and "Permanent > Waves" are really similar...I think "Signals" has more to do with "Grace > Under Pressure."
I agree that PeW and MP are similar, and that S and p/g are similar. But I still say that, groove-wise, song-type-wise, and not necessarily compositionally or keyboard-wise, S is much more like MP than it is like g/p.
(And I think the horse is dead now on those two albums. :)
> Five Gratutitous CD's: > ====================== > 5. Primus: The Brown Album
Talk to us. What's it like?
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> From: zarnoff069@juno.com (Mike Potvin) > Subject: Mood Songs > > Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but Led Zeppelin's D'yer Maker > always brings a smile to my face...It's just such a happy song...Every > time I hear Robert Plant sing "Oh oh oh oh-oh...You don't have to go-o" > I'm no longer in a bad mood....probably just me though...
Definitely not just you. After Rush, DT, and VH (yes, in that order), Zeppelin is my favorite band and biggest inspiration as a musician. There is nothing about Zeppelin that I don't like, and nothing that fails to get me in a good mood. :)
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> From: "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Fugazi > > Actually I'm not sure if it's absolutely necessary to eat fugazi as fast > as possible, but that's how I've seen it eaten. Me, I ate slowly, and thus > had about two chunks of bread before it was all gone.
I think you just answered your own question, paisan. :)
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> From: "ian" <the_trooper@mindless.com> > Subject: name my band!!!!
Just thought I'd bring up that there are a million web pages out there that contain lists of cool, unused band names. Just try a Yahoo search or something.
There's also one that I saw once and haven't found since that had the "Chinese menu" system of picking bands in a CGI program. You know what I mean. Take a word from column 1, a word from column 2, and a word from column 3, and get "Ultra Alterna Razors" or something. Countless hours of entertainment. :)
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> From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> > Subject: Quoth ye Coverdale... > > Five Gratuitous CD's: > ===================== > 1. Rush: Fly By Night > 3. Shadow Gallery: Carved in Stone > 4. Yes: Fragile
Someday, I'll get four. :)
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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 14:55:30 PDT From: "Blondie Smurf" <cyradis1@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DIE!!! Message-ID: <199707092155.OAA09585@f63.hotmail.com>
>Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 11:25:49 EDT >From: george.farber@juno.com (George Farber) >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: DIE!!! >Message-ID: <19970616.013519.7511.0.george.farber@juno.com> > >YOU SPOONFED US SATURDAY MORNING MOUTHFULS OF MAGGOTS AND LIES DISGUISED >IN YOUR SUGARY BREAKFAST CEREALS. THESE PLATES YOU MADE US CLEAN WERE >FILLED WITH YOUR FEARS. THESE THINGS HAVE HARDENED IN OUR SOFT PINK >BELLIES. WE ARE WHAT YOU HAVE MADE US. WE HAVE GROWN UP WATCHING YOUR >TELEVISION. WE ARE A SYMPTOM OF YOUR CHRISTIAN AMERICA, THE BIGGEST >SATAN >OF ALL. THIS IS YOUR WORLD IN WHICH WE GROW. AND WE WILL GROW TO HATE >YOU.
If you would like to start a discussion about the music (or lack of) by Marilyn Manson, maybe you should try asking something like, "What do you think of Marilyn Manson?" beause the posting stuff in all caps with just the lyrics is getting annoying.
Alison
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