YTSEJAM Digest 2742
Today's Topics:
1) REVIEW: Fates Warning's APSOG (NDTC)
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
2) Rush, TLF (boy, that song kicks ass), Trojan the Axe-Slinger
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
3) Alternate Picking
by Corey Bell <cmbell@inx.net>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2741
by "Gordon Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
5) Re: Trick question (actually the quote)
by DragynLMC3@aol.com
6) More Guitar Thread shtuff
by "James E. Thorpe" <thirdhvn@community.net>
7) Flotsam And Jetsam
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
8) Savatage Mailing List
by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
9) Re: Anyone else ever have this happen to them?
by DragynLMC3@aol.com
10) Re: Progressive tape swap - sign up!
by edwilk@juno.com (Ed Wilk III)
11) The Mathematician Speaks ........
by Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
12) BOOOOOO-YAAAAAA, muthafucka!
by Thrak75@aol.com
13) Annoying
by Lars Hellsten <lars@shaw.wave.ca>
14) Re: Trick question (actually the quote)
by "KorgX3" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 12:13:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: REVIEW: Fates Warning's APSOG (NDTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970712115801.12187A-100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
Hey, folks. Got my hands on this Boston-area musician's mag, and, lo and
behold, found this review. If you don't want to read it, don't. If you
want to take it for your web page, or to mail it to the band, or whatever,
do. It ain't mine, I just thought I'd type it up for whoever wants to see
it. (Any typos are mine, unless otherwise noted.)
Northeast Permormer Magazine
July 1997
Fates Warning - "A Pleasant Shade of Gray"
by Alan Levesque
Reprinted without permission
Fates Warning started out fifteen years ago in Connecticut, and since then
they've racked up eight albums in the tradition of progressive rock. "A
Pleasant Shade of Gray," although it is broken into 12 tracks, is meant to
be one continuous song. The 12 sections of this 50 plus minute concept,
are actually a compromise between band and label, so that favorite moments
may be returned to with ease. In the publicist's letter it is stated
that: "...the band's intention is to perform this piece live without
interruption or omission, unless a slot on a major tour is offered up."
(And that's a sic, baby.) Finally, a band that stands by its convictions
to uphold the integrity of the music... uh, unless a slot on a major tour
opens up.
Aside from Fates Warning's wavering standards and their abscence [sic] of
an apostrophe, they have some very ambitious material here. This
single-song, 12 movement piece has got a definite transcending quality to
it. It takes the listener back to the heyday of Rush, Yes, and ELP.
Also, paired up with Terry Brown -- with whom Rush has produced many an
album -- it only seems appropriate.
Fates Warning offer up a myriad of time signature changes, power stops,
and drum fill indulgences that are signature elements to the progressive
rock formula. Simply stated: This is great players playing tight
arrangements.
In the second section of "A Pleasant Shade of Gray," FW actually hit on a
truly progressive notion. They use an industrial style vamp with more of
a distorted vocal sound. Exploring this area as a vehicle for their
virtuostic chops would've been a completely fresh direction.
Unfortunately, it is a short lived break from the navigational noodling of
the album as a complete work.
The whole fifty minutes is an amazing display of musicianship and talent,
but it falls short of progress. There are no ground breaking moments, not
much modulation, just a blur of finger busting arena rock.
Ray Adler [sic] has an operatic tenor tone reminiscent of Queensryche/Tell
No Tales, and the rhythm section is tighter than the nickel plate on a
.25, but no progress. This band picks up where Rush and Yes left off and
marks time. Not a pick for the progressive, possibly a choice for the
fans of old, this is definitely a guitar hero's dream.
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 12:28:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Rush, TLF (boy, that song kicks ass), Trojan the Axe-Slinger
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970712121834.12187B-100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
> Subject: for the Rush fan...
>
> Rush played a "secret" unannounced show this past December in Toronto, at
> this show (it is rumored) that they recorded it to use on a live album. Is
> this rumor true? I have heard so much about this by rumor form only. When
The secret show was not played for the sole purpose of recording it.
Molson beer runs this thing every year (apparently, or so I was told)
called "Blind Date." You win tickets in certain 12 packs or cases of beer
to see some band on some night, and you have no idea who. One of these
blind date shows was Rush.
They have been recording every show on the past two tours (or so I've been
told. Wasn't looking for recording equipment on the CP tour, saw it on
the TFE tour) for material for the forthcoming live album. It has become
a Rush tradition to release a live album every four studio albums, and TFE
was their 16th studio album.
> the Retrospective I and II were getting ready to be released I saw Rush
> listed on the Upcoming Releases board at Strawberries, I thought this might
> have been the live album, but much to my dismay, I was wrong.
They released the reissue discs in three phases. The first few with Retro
I, the next few with Retro II, and then the three live ones. That may be
what you saw.
----> From: john jens <jjens@darkhorse.triad.net> > Subject: <insert subject here> > > d-man: we all know who sings those kick ass harmonies on TLF but who sings > the harmonies on the Ytsejam?
That's actually James and Derek, believe it or not. Hey, Sav, I've tried to e-mail you a couple of times and had it all bounce back to me. What's up?
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> From: eckie@asu.edu > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2733 > > *cackle* > > Alright! A true guitarist! He makes himself sound like a condom ad!
LOL!!!!!
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 12:46:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Corey Bell <cmbell@inx.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Alternate Picking Message-ID: <199707121646.MAA28035@inx.inx.net>
I do agree that alternate picking is truly more accurate and clean than economy picking. However, I also believe that there is a time when it just isn't as efficent. I just recently learned the quintuplet part in Erotmoania and I would never attempt that without alternate picking. I also agree that every player has his or her own preference with picking. While we are on this thread, what do you all think of other kinds of pickers, like hybrid or just srtaight finger pickers? I really haven't heard too many players that use these forms of picking and am always willing to broaden my horizons....
See ya, Corey
Check out my band, Joint Decision's, official website at home.aol.com/steviemyer
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:03:13 -0400 From: "Gordon Cook" <acook@tiac.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2741 Message-ID: <199707121705.NAA19611@zork.tiac.net>
Heyo, > Sextuplets at 200BPM? Are you talking 16th note triplets? I'd have > to hear that before I'd believe it (not to insinuate that you're lying... > just that I've never heard anything that fast in all my listening years).
Yeah it's true. Basically he was doing a demonstration of some incredibly fast lick and somebody asked him how fast he could play and he said that he could basically play 16th notes off the metronome at any speed. Everybody said (or at least thought) "Bullshit" but by the time he was up to 200 bpm playing sextuplets we all shut up.
> >From: "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net> > >Subject: AMPS > > Awesome post.
<blush>
> >> I mean, I'm prolly gonna go out and > >> get my own trembucker sometime before this summer ends... > > This whole Trembucker thing is misleading.
Yeah, a lot of people think it's some sort of radically different pickup because of the different look but the term Trembucker actually originated from the different spacing between the strings between a Floyd and a stop-tail bridge. Nothing in the name trembucker means it's going to sound different.
> > I'd say pickups are about %50 of the tone coming out of your guitar before it > >hits your amp. > > A maple fretboard is always going to lend a > certain characteristic that, say, a rosewood fretboard will never emulate.
True, a maple fingerboard will tend to be brighter. I once played a guitar with an all maple body and it was way too bright and trebley, not much sustain and it weighed a ton.
> I am CERTAIN that anyone on this list > that owns a guitar can write a 55 minute long song.
What about a Kazoo??
> Overall, strict alternate picking > is almost ALWAYS in better time, because a two downstroke sweep is not > nearly as accurate as an upstroke and a downstroke.
I might have agreed with you before I had lessons with a guitarist who has mastered this technique like Joe Stump. Do yourself a favor and come to the Berklee Summer Guitar Sessions this August so you can meet him. He's a funny looking dude, but he's nice as hell.
> > Oh well, there's only one Jason Becker...
Speaking of whom, everybody should buy his Perspective album. Ever since he's been sick he's been living off cash he earned in his early years of stardom as a teen prodigy, but ever since shred went six feet under (or so they say in guitar magazines) he hasn't been in the spotlight. Not only does buying Perspective support Jason, but you get to hear some brilliant music from a great musician. Jason writes all his music in his head and he just uses the computer and synth to get it out. This album is mostly guitar-symphony type stuff, with a few tracks left over when he was healthy enough to play guitar.
Also, what's the deal with all these brain teasers? Right after Skadz said any responses to extremely off-topic threads will get you kicked from the list, somebody posts these and even D-man responds to 'em. If you're going to post these, make them music theory brain teasers or something we would care about on a music list. :)
Adam
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:47:32 -0400 (EDT) From: DragynLMC3@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Trick question (actually the quote) Message-ID: <970712134729_-2011420432@emout06.mail.aol.com>
someone wrote:
> >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >I swear on tomorrow if you take this chance >Our lives are this moment; the music, the dance >And here in this labyrinth of lost mysteries >I close my eyes on this night and you're all that I see >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >
and it just really cought my eye... any idea who wrote that, made that or got it from? id really like to know....
~Lisa
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 10:58:29 -0700 From: "James E. Thorpe" <thirdhvn@community.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: More Guitar Thread shtuff Message-ID: <199707121752.KAA09440@odin.community.net>
> STILL, the 24 Caprices sound AWESOME at any speed, and are excellent >exercises for alternate picking.
I have Itzak Perlman's version of Pag's 24 Caprices. Complete shred monster from hell. Yup, there's no way humanly possible to play guitar like that!!! Of what I've heard on guitar, I like Steve Vai's rendition the best.
> This is true. And I don't think Kev is the preeminent keyboardist >that every jammer thinks he is. Though he is damn good.
Well, I feel that Kevin really gave that extra prog element in D.T. Off course I'm awaiting to hear Derek's contributions too.
Off course I love "Awake" but you can tell that the band was evolving. Kev wasn't happy and he felt he had to move on. I have a feeling that Kev wanted to go either more extreme progressive or off course do his incredible modern rock tunes. I could be wrong though. ;)
Regarding Todd Duane:
> Be wary of that! He's on Shrapnel, and thus doesn't have control >over his own music. He's truly sick in the head, and STILL plays all of the >billion note per second humorous wacky guitar playing you expect, from whatt >I'm told, even though his Shrapnel album sorta blows.
He's extremly sick. I heard he went to MI years ago and then worked in the music library giving the students all the MI archived seminars and classes on video tape for students to study. He probably has studied all those incredible lectures on tape of the "Golden Years" when Paul Gilbert was there.
I was hoping his solo CD was more of what he did on the Guitar on the Edge compilation disks but it's not.
> Full on. What about those sick sweeps Bellas has? He must not be >releasing the strings... just holding the left hand in chord positions, >because it gets WAY too fast! Lemme yell this again: YTSESHREDDERS: CHECK >OUT GEORGE BELLAS!
He's amazing. Blows me off the map. Becker is the King for chordal arpeggios. I just wish George had more of a Becker tone because he's a phenom player. I guess I'm spoiled. ;)
> And that's all she wrote. But maybe someday we'll have a James >Thorpe, Chris Ptacek, Bafu Borzillerillillerettilli or someone to listen to >similarly. :) And then I will find the magical amulet of glee that spits >out free guitars every day at 1:32 AM and the world will cheer at my >omnipotence and gape in awe as I turn into a well muscled chrome man and fly >away on a silver surf board into the night sky to protect the universe.
Haha. :) Don't forget Wacky Brian. Maybe we could do something that is simular in the Rap world. Have a East Coast V.S West Coast Shred Feud and then shoot each other :) :) :) I can see us making these videos looking like gangstas. :)
"Yo, my sweep arpeggios are fat." :) :)
I didn't know Bafu was a shred player. Are you into Becker, Bafu?
peace, --james--
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 97 14:14 EDT From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Flotsam And Jetsam Message-ID: <m0wn6gg-0000GBC@xcalibur.iinc.com>
The new album, "High" is on Metal Blade so you can't expect much from the label (which is part of the reason I still don't have the new Fates disc)....anyhow, go to CDUniverse or CDNow and you can buy it from there. I got mine from CDUniverse...took about 3 or 4 days.
Don
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:13:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytse Jam) Subject: Savatage Mailing List Message-ID: <199707121813.NAA17907@parka.winternet.com>
For those interested a Savatage Mailing List has been recently created.
Check the Savatage pages for Details.
To Subscribe send mail to maiser@tkl.com in the body write subscribe savatage
Digest mode is not working yet... hopefully soon. ;-)
Most of you already know the next Savatage release will be titled "The Wake of Magellan". It is a concept album, based on the tragedy aboard the ship "Maersk Dubai". Jon sings on two songs. It should be released in October. Although I am not sure if that is t the European/Japan release time frame or the US release... Europe/Japan could be as early as Sept.
For those of you interested there is a Savatage IRC Channel of EFnet, It hasn't been very busy yet but it should pick up traffic soon as people find out about it.
later,
nathan bradley -------------------------------------------------------------------------- savaweb@winternet.com Savatage Fan Web Pages Trans-Siberian Orchestra Web Pages www.savatage.com www.winternet.com/~savaweb/tso --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 14:24:58 -0400 (EDT) From: DragynLMC3@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Anyone else ever have this happen to them? Message-ID: <970712142457_137619981@emout03.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-07-12 08:30:20 EDT, Jeff wrote:
> Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to: > > Matthew H. Gamble (Mailbox or Conference is full.)
yup, happened to me too! i guess the jam killed his mailbox ;}
~Lisa
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 09:43:58 -0400 From: edwilk@juno.com (Ed Wilk III) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Progressive tape swap - sign up! Message-ID: <19970712.143646.9606.0.EdWilk@juno.com>
>is make a compilation tape consisting of stuff in your music >collection >for 3 people, and 3 people will do the same for you. So for the cost >of >3 tapes and postage you get 4 1/2 (or more) hours of music you haven't >heard and might like. I'll post reminders to the 'jam sporadically for >the next few weeks, and when we get enough people, we can start >swapping!
Sounds great! I'm in. But how do you know the tapes you'll get, you won't already have a lot of that stuff? :-)
Ed
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 14:48:32 -0400 From: Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com> To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: The Mathematician Speaks ........ Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=bostech%l=CARRIER-970712184832Z-37761@carrier.rd1.bostech.com>
> 4. A race driver drove around a 6 mile track at 140 mph for three miles, > 168 mph for 1 1/2 miles, and 210 mph for 1 1/2 miles. What was his > average speed for the entire 6 miles? > >> Unless I missed something really obvious, it's 164.5 mph. >> >>> I agree, although it's not possible to accelerate from 140 to 168 >>> or 210 mph without going through some speeds in between. But we're >>> not given any information about that sort of thing so I assumed (as you >>> did) that we should accept those values at face value.
Ahhhh, the warm-hearted Mathematician in me loves to see everyone getting out their calculators and playing with numbers. Who said that you Generation X-ers weren't sharp as a tack......
This however, little boys and girls, is a brain TEASER and not some computational exercise. The definition of "average speed" is the distance traveled divided by the time it took to do so. If you start at point A and end up at Point A (recall that a racetrack is a circle), your distance traveled is zero. Zero divided by any (non-zero) value of time is zero.
Zero's your answer, in miles per second, kilometers per hour or light years per year (hehehehe).
Later, Mark T. Impostor wee.wee@pee.pee.com
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 14:51:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Thrak75@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: BOOOOOO-YAAAAAA, muthafucka! Message-ID: <970712145135_539149291@emout10.mail.aol.com>
fuck mono! it's so nice to be free from the grips of the fucking disease. my words of advice to y'all- don't kiss NO ONE, not even your mothers (especially if i got to them), if you don't ever want to catch this illness.
well, now that i'm recovered, i celebrated by picking up an orchestra seat to go catch the ryche at jones beach. any of you other freakazoids goin' down to check it?
ahh...it feels so nice. so nice, that i'm going to add some dtc, now....
after reading porntoy's interview, now i'm really psyched about this cd. i still think it's a cheesy name (as someone put it, it sounds like a name for a female singer), but being that i'm not cool enough to have gone to the fix shows, or even cooler to own a boot of them.......now i'm looking foward to it. you wonder "weren't you psyched for it before like all of us?" and the answer is "no, i almost couldn't care less." now with that talk, and that about metropolis 2, shit- i might even join the fan club.
with all the talk about ryche and all, are there any other singles cd's of any hitnf tunes. i know there's "sign o the times" (a blatant prince ripoff- DEGARMO, YOU ASSHOLE! - they even sound the same!). anything else?
ytsegoon
************************************************************************** david y. kobayashi thrak75@aol.com
"i'm afraid of americans, i'm afraid of the world. i'm afraid i can't help it. i'm afraid i can't." d. bowie **************************************************************************
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 15:28:56 -0400 From: Lars Hellsten <lars@shaw.wave.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Annoying Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970712152849.008145c0@mail.tor.shaw.wave.ca>
> This is really where this post should have ended, IMHO.
So why did you continue for another page? DUH...
> This is true. And I don't think Kev is the preeminent keyboardist >that every jammer thinks he is. Though he is damn good.
You're wrong, Kevin isn't just a keyboardist, he's God! I know you have a hard time looking at him in the same way... he just doesn't look as attractive with no hair after the chemo! But you must remember, the condition of one's testicals only matters if you're a vocalist, not a keyboardist!
>that owns a guitar can write a 55 minute long song. Whether it's as good as
Well, I can! And I don't even OWN a guitar (I could borrow my brother's though). If you're saying I'm superior to the rest of the jam, well thank you, but personally I don't like to think of myself as any better or worse than anyone else! :)
>instead of making a bunch of opinion statements that are not useful, not >factual, and seriously annoying? Or was I right... you are just trying to >be annoying? I hope that's not the case.
Shit, you catch on slow! Yes, of course I'm trying to be annoying! And specifically, I'm trying to annoy *YOU*! You better watch your back buddy, cause with your attitude, one of these days someone's gonna annoy you! See, I KNEW you'd reply to my post! (And Andrew Forcier, and probably Scott Cook will too...) And you fell for it! Ha ha!
By the way, what is the difference between "seriously annoying" and "annoying"? And if my previous message was "seriously annoying", would you consider this one "antagonizingly annoying"? :)
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 15:25:05 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Trick question (actually the quote) Message-ID: <199707122126.OAA01951@odin.ax.com>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>I swear on tomorrow if you take this chance >>Our lives are this moment; the music, the dance >>And here in this labyrinth of lost mysteries >>I close my eyes on this night and you're all that I see >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >and it just really cought my eye... any idea who wrote that, made that or got >it from? id really like to know....
That's from the album Dead Winter Dead by Savatage, track 13, "Not What You See." Great song, great madrigals, great album.
KorgX3 KorgX3@cyberhighway.net
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