YTSEJAM Digest 2741
Today's Topics:
1) for the Rush fan...
by "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
2) Progressive tape swap - sign up!
by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
3) Brain tease ansswers and how I did.
by ERIK STEARNS <stearns@realtime.net>
4) Pride
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
5) Re: Ebows, JP
by WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2739
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
7)
by the-atman@juno.com (d a v)
8) <insert subject here>
by john jens <jjens@darkhorse.triad.net>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2733
by eckie@asu.edu
10) Re: new Tourniquet
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
11) Re: Fates Dates
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 00:14:21 -0400
From: "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: for the Rush fan...
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970712001421.007bb100@nh.ultranet.com>
Hey all,
Just had a question to ask that maybe someone can answer for me...
Rush played a "secret" unannounced show this past December in Toronto, at
this show (it is rumored) that they recorded it to use on a live album. Is
this rumor true? I have heard so much about this by rumor form only. When
the Retrospective I and II were getting ready to be released I saw Rush
listed on the Upcoming Releases board at Strawberries, I thought this might
have been the live album, but much to my dismay, I was wrong.
If anyone knows anything, let me know, J
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 23:56:00 -0500
From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Progressive tape swap - sign up!
Message-ID: <33C70E60.629F@auburn.net>
Hey everyone! Response has been 100% favorable to my suggestion about
getting another progressive tape swap together, so I'd like to get this
thing going sometime during the next few weeks. So in case you didn't
catch the earlier message (what kind of masochist reads my posts anyway
;), email me if you're interested in participating. All you have to do
is make a compilation tape consisting of stuff in your music collection
for 3 people, and 3 people will do the same for you. So for the cost of
3 tapes and postage you get 4 1/2 (or more) hours of music you haven't
heard and might like. I'll post reminders to the 'jam sporadically for
the next few weeks, and when we get enough people, we can start
swapping!
More to come,
Mark Peters
swifty@auburn.net
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 00:19:45 -0500
From: ERIK STEARNS <stearns@realtime.net>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Brain tease ansswers and how I did.
Message-ID: <33C713F1.25CD@realtime.net>
1. A snail is at the bottom of a well 30 feet deep. It can crawl
upward 3
feet in one day, but at night (being the slimy bastard that he is) it
slips
back 2 feet. How many days does it take the snail to crawl out of the
well?
30 Days.
The correct answer is 28. On the twenty-eighth day the snail reaches
the
top of the well. Once there, it does not, of course, slip backward.
2. There are 2 jars of equal capacity. The first jar there is one
amoeba.
In the second jar there are two amoebas. An amoeba can reproduce
itself in
the three minutes. It takes the two amoebas in the jar three hours to
fill
the jar to capacity. How many minutes does it take the one amoeba in
the
first jar to fill that jar to capacity? 3 hours 3 minutes.
183 minutes correct but in some cases you would have been counted off
because the question was HOW MANY minutes.
3. A ship is at anchor. Over its side hangs a rope ladder with rungs a
foot
apart. The tide rises at the rate of 8 inches per hour. At the end of
six
hours, how many feet of the rope ladder will remain above water,
assuming
that 8 feet were above water when the tide began to rise? 4 feet.
The correct answer is 8.
Shame on you if you missed this oldie. Since the ship is afloat, the
water
level in relation to the ship stays the same.
4. A race driver drove around a 6 mile track at 140 mph for three miles,
168
mph for 1 1/2 miles, and 210 mph for 1 1/2 miles. What was his average
speed for the entire 6 miles? 164.5
The correct answer is 160. The secret lies in converting miles per hour
to
miles per minute and in using fractions instead of decimals to avoid
rounding errors.
5. If you get this one, I want to know how! With my logic, I almost got
it....
Each day a man's wife meets him at the railroad station and drives him
home.
One day he arrives at the station an hour early and begins to walk home
along the road his wife always takes. She meets him en route and takes
him
the rest of the way home. Had he waited at the station, she would have
picked him up exactly on time. As it turned out, he reached his home
twenty
minutes early. How many minutes did the man walk? 50
Correct now explain
6. How many times does the digit 9 appear from 1 to 100? 19
The correct answer is 20.
7. A genious came to a narrow railroad bridge and began to run across
it.
He had crossed three eighths of the distance when a whistle behind him
warned of an approaching train. Being a genious, he instantly evaluated
his
alternatives. If he were to run back to the beginning of the bridge at
his
speed of 10 mph, he would leave the bridge at precisely the moment the
train
entered it. If he kept running to the end of the bridge, the train
would
reach him just as he left the bridge. At what speed was the train
moving?
A
a) 35 mph
b)40 mph
c)45 mph
d) 50 mph
The correct answer is 40 mph
8.C, G, Q are to F, V, R as T, X, H are to D
a) V, L, G
b) B, F, Y
c) W, M, I
d) N, Z, D
The correct answer is W, M, I
9 Complete the series: 2-4, 6-18 C
a). 8-24
b). 8-32
c). 10-40
d). 20-60
e). 21-84
The answer is E
10. Which one does not belong? D
a). dada
b). abstract
c). cubist
d). dodecaphonic
e). pointillist
I got this one right!
Correct
3 correct
7 Incorrect
Pretty good.
-- An Open mind is the thriving of a society while the closed mind is the downfall of the same. For in Saroks's words, "The spear in the others's heart is the spear in your own. You are he."-- From the "Freedom" Speech to Larion's Congress
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 00:37:24 -0500 From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Pride Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970712053724.00b9ec68@pop.enteract.com>
24 Caprices: ------------------
I've heard several full versions of the 24 Caprices, as Paganini is one of the few composers whom I actually listen to and take note from (I don't know enough about classical to really find what I'm looking for... and I'm not ordering CLASSICAL THUNDER from one of those infomercials), and I have to say that I completely disbelieve that anyone can really emulate the way this is (from what I understand) meant to be played. The speed achieved on violin for this stuff is just not possible on guitar, with a pick. I am pretty confident when I say this, because I know a lot about shred techniques. :) (not to say that I've mastered any of them yet). The versions you hear on Shake, Maestro Alex Gregory's shithole solo album, and Crossroads, are not even half speed.
STILL, the 24 Caprices sound AWESOME at any speed, and are excellent exercises for alternate picking.
Joe Stump: ----------------
Sextuplets at 200BPM? Are you talking 16th note triplets? I'd have to hear that before I'd believe it (not to insinuate that you're lying... just that I've never heard anything that fast in all my listening years).
Responses: -----------------
>From: "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net> >Subject: AMPS
Awesome post.
>> I mean, I'm prolly gonna go out and >> get my own trembucker sometime before this summer ends...
This whole Trembucker thing is misleading. There is no single pickup called the Trembucker. What a Trembucker is, is a Seymore Duncan pickup that is optimized for using with a floating tremolo. If you have a Floyd, a Wilkinson, or a Kahler trem on your guitar, you want the Trembucker model of whatever Duncan you buy (I use and HIGHLY recommend the Screamin' Demon. Really gets the semen steamin'). If you don't have a floating trem, don't get a trembucker.
>If you get a trembucker I can tell you right now it's not going to sound >exactly like your friend's unless you two have exactly the same guitar. I'd >say pickups are about %50 of the tone coming out of your guitar before it >hits your amp. The body wood, neck wood, bridge type, and even the finish >can also effect the tone.
I'd go so far as to say that if you're using a guitar with quality woods, the pickups mean less. A maple fretboard is always going to lend a certain characteristic that, say, a rosewood fretboard will never emulate. The same goes for body woods. The finish on an electric usually means less, but when you're talking a porous wood finish as compared to a multi-coated painted guitar like a Jem or an RG550, there's a BIG difference. That USUALLY comes down to the wood type though.
-------- >You'd never guess I'm a Boogie endorsee, would you? :)
How'd ya manage that? :) --------
>From: Lars Hellsten <lars@shaw.wave.ca>
>I completely disagree. Almost any band could do a better job of holding MY >attention for an hour than Fates. APSOG is so long and drawn out some of >the parts are excruciating to listen to... not once have I been able to >listen to the album from start to finish, I always fast forward becuase >there are some parts that are either incredibly boring, or just suck. It's >better than their earlier stuff, and better >than Inside Out, but that's not saying much.
This is really where this post should have ended, IMHO.
>As for Kevin Moore, he didn't write any of the music on APSOG, he just >played. They could've gotten any keyboardist to do that. They just happen >to be friends with Kev. I don't see the corrolation between a band having >talent because they're friends with a great keyboardist.
This is true. And I don't think Kev is the preeminent keyboardist that every jammer thinks he is. Though he is damn good.
>I *wish* Kevin would've written his parts for the album, and I wish he'd >have written the vocal melodies, because Ray Alder wouldn't know what a >melody is if it porked him up the ass. As someone else pointed out before, >for some reason the guy thinks you're supposed to hold notes in the middle >of a line instead of at the end.
What a bogus statement. You are so far into the "This is my opinion, and I'm writing it to piss people off" zone, that you should be fined and sent to the sidelines.
>So in conclusion, I think DT could write a better 55 minute song in their >sleep. Flame away if you want, I am a FW fan, but I'm not one of these >people who considers them gods because they wrote a fucking 55 minute song...
This totally sounded like a post from someone who started out wanting to let us know he doesn't dig the new Fates, and ended off getting so into his post and how he'd let us all have a piece of his mind that he lost grasp on why he was posting it. I am CERTAIN that anyone on this list that owns a guitar can write a 55 minute long song. Whether it's as good as or better than DT or Fates is subjective and dumb as hell to argue about. I will agree with you that if anyone thinks APSOG is monumental and awesome solely because it's long, then they're a moron. But I don't think there's one person on the list who likes it merely for that. Now why don't you and Syrinx go have a hootananny, and realize that this post could have easily been summed up by saying "I don't like APSoG" instead of making a bunch of opinion statements that are not useful, not factual, and seriously annoying? Or was I right... you are just trying to be annoying? I hope that's not the case.
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG. They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground on which idea seeds fall." - Michael Hedges
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 00:49:53 -0500 From: WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Ebows, JP Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970712004953.0069d70c@mail.autobahn.mb.ca>
>are there any more Ebowers out there? > Yeah, I got one of these and it's amazing. Controlled feedback, artificial harmonics, infinite sustain and so much more. I bought mine after finding out John Petrucci used one on Awake (at the end of Space-Dye Vest).
It's July 12th - Happy Birthday John Petrucci.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ "People want no more bullshit... they want the truth, the sincerity that they find in this type of music." ~ James LaBrie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 01:20:53 -0500 From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2739 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970712062053.00bb83dc@pop.enteract.com>
People who don't want me to respond to what they post-- READ: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------
If you know you're gonna annoy me, or get me going off on you, maybe try double spacing your post. That's the single most annoying thing for me... WHY would anyone double space a post going to a bandwidth monitored mailing list? Oh well.. this is just a weapon to be used against me, if you're so inclined. I always skip posts that have HTML in them or are double spaced.
Pick Pick Pick: ------------------- >From: Corey Bell <cmbell@inx.net> >Subject: Joe Stump/Economy picking
>Many of the things he showed me were next to impossible to play >strictly with alternate picking so I developed that technique of picking >just because it was the only practical way of playing his exercises. > The whole up/down/up/down method of picking is great on one string >but when you are doing long, poisition shifting licks that require say, >three notes per string it is easier to pick them down/up/down---down/up/down >ect...It is very similar to sweep picking in the way you move your left hand >in a downward motion.
See, I take issue with this... sorta. I mean, that's a valid way of picking, and will certainly give you a lot of speed, but anything can be alternate picked. Look at Petrucci, Gilbert, MICHAEL.ANGELO, Michael Romeo, etc. Even with the position shifts and complex fingerings, you don't HAVE to take shortcuts to get the same effect. Overall, strict alternate picking is almost ALWAYS in better time, because a two downstroke sweep is not nearly as accurate as an upstroke and a downstroke. When you're going at sick speeds, this isn't an issue... but when you're doing mid-fast-tempo stuff (i.e. the end solos to Erotomania) or anything with a lot of stretches and wide interval string skipping, I wouldn't want to rely on that technique (Which I have learned, and have found great use for in circular sweeps and things of that nature). Frank Gambale is another player with your slant on things... it ends up sounding much more legato, which can be really cool, but sometimes I want to chop it up with the alternate picking, more like Gilbert. Really, I just wanted to give an opposing viewpoint, because obviously, whatever works for you is what you should do. If you play best doing all upstrokes, using a greasy turkey leg as a pick, more power to you! In your instance, if you're just trying to play as fast as you possibly can, your method will probably be faster at your teminal speed than your alternate picking is at terminal speed... though someone like JP or Gilbert may just hav the ability to pick with the right hand faster than you can economy pick. Stressfully, i've found that just because someone else can pick 16th note triplets at 200 BPM, even on just one note, using only the right hand and concentrating completely on that task, doesn't mean I can. It's just like runners in a race. I will never be able to outrun Carl Lewis on foot, and there are guitarists I will never outpick.
MORE GUITAR! ----------------------
>From: "James E. Thorpe" <thirdhvn@community.net> >Subject: Guitar Thread
> I'm a little behind on the Jams but I really enjoyed reading >the detailed reviews of all the great guitar shredders out there. >I think Chris P, Neil at Oracle, and myself are clones or something :):) >We seem to have the same music tastes.
God, I know! Isn't that disturbing?!?
> There was one name though that I didn't read on there unless >I skimmed over it. What does everyone think of Todd Duane?
SHRED MONSTER.
> I remember buying the Guitar on the Edge CD compilations >when they came out and was totally FLOORED with his playing. >I was so sure he would be the Jason Becker Aire apparent but he seems >to be going in a different direction now.
Be wary of that! He's on Shrapnel, and thus doesn't have control over his own music. He's truly sick in the head, and STILL plays all of the billion note per second humorous wacky guitar playing you expect, from whatt I'm told, even though his Shrapnel album sorta blows.
>He's still great player!! I >really like George Bellas' playing but he's more like Yngwie than Jason..
Full on. What about those sick sweeps Bellas has? He must not be releasing the strings... just holding the left hand in chord positions, because it gets WAY too fast! Lemme yell this again: YTSESHREDDERS: CHECK OUT GEORGE BELLAS!
> Oh well, there's only one Jason Becker...
And that's all she wrote. But maybe someday we'll have a James Thorpe, Chris Ptacek, Bafu Borzillerillillerettilli or someone to listen to similarly. :) And then I will find the magical amulet of glee that spits out free guitars every day at 1:32 AM and the world will cheer at my omnipotence and gape in awe as I turn into a well muscled chrome man and fly away on a silver surf board into the night sky to protect the universe.
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG. They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground on which idea seeds fall." - Michael Hedges
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 02:31:30 -0500 From: the-atman@juno.com (d a v) To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <19970712.023131.13894.7.the-atman@juno.com>
John Myung's actually a very accomplished violinist as I understand. I think we oughtta see him rip it up. That would rule! *says "KorgX3 *
ok, it's settled then you can call him and tell him we give him permission to play.... wonder why they haven't incorporated this vein of talent any?? or have they and i just don't know it.....
what other prog super bands have violins???? i'm open for suggestions..... (musical ones i mean)
~Dave~ ---------------------------------------- Dig deeper into your soul. There you will find humanity. ----------------------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 03:05:59 -0500 (CDT) From: john jens <jjens@darkhorse.triad.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: <insert subject here> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970712025301.17616A-100000@darkhorse.triad.net>
On Sat, 12 Jul 1997, d a v wrote:
| permission to play.... wonder why they haven't incorporated this vein of | talent any?? | or have they and i just don't know it.....
you mean you dont have the string quartet version of IAW? pfft..and you call yerself a DT fan. right. wutever...
d-man: we all know who sings those kick ass harmonies on TLF but who sings the harmonies on the Ytsejam?
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 01:55:39 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2733 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970712015513.13271A-100000@general5.asu.edu>
*cackle*
Alright! A true guitarist! He makes himself sound like a condom ad!
~Eckie
On Fri, 11 Jul 1997 Infinate0@aol.com wrote:
> As far as pickups, I'm a DiMarzio guy... Well, since I own two of the John > Petrucci series (the original limited, and the new B&W), I have his pickups. > (Steve's Special & PAF Pro I think)... > > But on my Ibanez USA Custom, I have the original Tone Zone, which I like a > lot. I first put one in my previous Ibanez, an RG770, and it's cool. > > > >
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 07:22:25 -0400 (EDT) From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: new Tourniquet Message-ID: <v01520d00afece144ad45@[207.90.116.52]>
yeah, i could have gotten it at cornerstone, but i figured, why buy it for $15 when i knew i'd be getting it for free a week and a half later... :)
now, i really like this album. psycho surgery is my fav, with POD close behind...but this new one at least beats vanishing lessons- like you said. a lot of variety and some "nice metal moments"...
now only if the pre-release had lyrics... oh well...
later, Dan
---+ +--- Dan Temmesfeld - mailto:dantemm@erinet.com "Home of the Galactic Cowboys Pages" http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm Summer 1997 Update site: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/1853/ ---+ +---
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 11:25:30 -0700 From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Fates Dates Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970712182530.00678094@pop.pipeline.com>
>Return-Path: <MtlBldRcds@aol.com> >From: MtlBldRcds@aol.com >Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 20:18:23 -0400 (EDT) >To: kwmadden@pipeline.com >Subject: Re: Fates Dates > >This is what I have so far, more dates to come! > > >7/27 THE MASON JAR PHOENIX AZ >7/30 THE PALLADIUM LUBBOCK TX >7/31 WHITE RABBIT SAN ANTONIO TX >8/1 ABYSS HOUSTON TX >8/2 CARAVAN OF DREAMS FORT WORTH TX >8/3 SHANAHANS LAFAYETTE LA >8/5 THE METROPOL PITTSBURGH PA >8/6 TUXEDO JUNCTION DANBURY, CT >8/7 CLUB BENE S. AMBOY NJ >8/8 JAXX NITE CLUB W SPRINGFIELD VA >8/9 LODOWN MT VERNON NY >8/10 TROCADERO PHILEDELPHIA >8/12 MABELS CHAMPAIGN IL >8/13 AL ROSA COLUMBUS OH >8/14 THE MOSQUITO CLUB WESTLAND MI >8/15 SIDE KICKS CLEVELAND OH >8/16 ANNIES CINCINATTI OH >8/17 HOUSE OF BLUES CHICAGO IL >8/23 WHISKEY A GO GO W HOLLYWOOD CA > Detroit Red Wings - 1996-97 Stanley Cup Champions
Kevin
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