YTSEJAM Digest 2744
Today's Topics:
1) Queensryche
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
2) Well, thanx for the input
by eckie@asu.edu
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2743
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
4) Pitch Axis Theory (explained)
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
5) Guitar Shtuff
by "James E. Thorpe" <thirdhvn@community.net>
6) replies to various things
by Thrak75@aol.com
7) Re: Pitch Axis Theory (explained)
by eckie@asu.edu
8) Re: replies to various things
by eckie@asu.edu
9) Re: Rush, my sig, Savatage
by WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2743
by Satch <cedric.zambeaux@hol.fr>
11) Who TF are Stratovarius....
by "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaliitto.fi>
12)
by Lars Hellsten <lars@shaw.wave.ca>
13) FW tour dates confusion?
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
14) Re: Queensryche
by "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 00:21:46 -0500
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Queensryche
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970713052146.00730e64@pop.enteract.com>
I just got back from the Chicago QR show at the World Music Theater.
The band was tight as can be, and the vocals were just gorgeous.
Geoff Tate still has his range... he didn't wimp out on any high notes, and
threw in a few that we weren't expecting. He DID screw up, I believe in
Revolution Calling, singing the wrong verse after the solo, but he recovered
beautifully. I'm sure it was something off Mindcrime that he botched... it
might not have been that tune... I was too bewildered to let it bother me.
The show was completely amazing... the energy built up as they
continued through the set. If you're just sorta THINKING about seeing them
on this tour, DO IT. The new songs actually sounded GOOD to me, which is a
surprise, since I really didn't like the album. The only downside: They
played Get a Life. That song still sucks. :)
We got backstage for the preshow party, got all of the band's
autographs, and got a picture of Maddy and me with each one of the band
members. That's goin' up on the web page for sure! Met two very cool
Jammers... one of the list's Cygnus-folk (The proud owner of one of our
autographed Hear in the Now Frontier promo stickers) and Scott (Hanson, I
think it was?), who also got some autograph-age. Got a pick from Michael
Wilton, which I wouldn't have thought to do had Maddy not been with me.
I met more Rychers from the QR Internet groups than jammers, which
was sort of disappointing, but these people were cooler than hell (hmm.
That would be a given, I guess). This has been a good night.
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener
A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come
from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG.
They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground
on which idea seeds fall."
- Michael Hedges
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 22:46:02 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Well, thanx for the input
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970712222725.5023A-100000@general3.asu.edu>
Yeah, I understand the WHOLE PICTURE when it comes to tonality, and while
I admit that that statement 'bout buyin' a trembucker is naievity at its
peak performance, I still am impressed and optimistic about it workin' in
my guitar.
You see, I'm an Ibanez kind of guy. They just seem to know how to work,
without me worrying about what to do next, where to go, and I won't have
to worry about children. But when I'm getting hot and heavy, I need
protection...against AGFU's: Amplified Guitar Fuck Ups. That's right,
Amplified Guitar Fuck Ups. In order to protect myself from these
monstrosities, I use Seymore Duncans (well, not really, but I'm on a
roll). Seymore Duncan knows how to make a well constructed humbucker and
trembucker, so I trust them.
Seymore Duncan: Only the feeling gets through.
Yeah, if yer all still interested, it's an RG 470 with jumbo frets, a
double locking Floyd-Rose with that nifty dug-in trem system, basswood
body (I think) and rosewood fingerboard. It feels pretty damn close to
Petrucci's model as far as playin' goes...but those stock pickups HAVE TO GO!
Lemme narrow the original question #2 down a little:
If you were a metalhead who wanted a lot of output and crunchy,
ear-bursting chords and cranium splitting notes ala Metallica/Dream
Theater/Megadeth and be able to switch to a nice, bluesy/rock sound ala
Hoey/Snatchriani/Johnson, what would work best, barring an effects
processor. Again, I understand that pickups aren't everything, but ya
have all these companies producin' these li'l trinkets and each one seems
to be geared towards one genre of music or another. And if each
"genre-classified" pickup is a gimmick, just say so! :D
BTW, regarding Satriani...his web site is a bit hysterical. It's a
single letter away from being the address of a major porn site. I'll let
you figgur that one out, and try it if you must. >:)
In closing, I was lookin' through Satch's bio information, and it
mentioned something about a pitch-axis theory. My question? What the
hell is it?
*scratches nuts*
Anyhoo, any input would be welcomed. Any flaming comments and degrading
Eckieslams will be ignored unless they're creative about it. And any
steamy pics of Liv Tyler would be appreciated! (DT needs to learn from
Aerosmith: to make it big you need balls and chunk in the music, and
tits and axe in the videos)
~Eckie
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 01:04:25 -0500
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2743
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970713060425.00d86a34@pop.enteract.com>
>From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
>Happy 30th birthday to John Petrucci! And a very happy 49th birthday to
>my illegitimate father, Richard Simmons, the fitness guru.
ROFL
>> >8/12 MABELS CHAMPAIGN IL
>Hmm, since that looks like the closest they're coming to St. Louis,
>maybe I can make the 3 hour road trip, if I don't have to work.
DO IT! EVERYONE THAT CAN MUST GO TO THIS SHOW! I want to meet more
jammers. :) I'm gonna go to two or three shows on the west coast as well,
if things go as planned. I want to meet as many jammers as possible! I
only saw one Ytsejam shirt at the QR show and the dude wearing it and I
immediately attacked one another with friendly greetings of "Who the fuck
are you on the jam?"
>Subject: when dream and day unite,we must do something!!!!!!!
I wouldn't change anything about that album but the production. I
think it kicks more ass than anything else they've done... but only barely.
Yes, I am a Charlie D fan!
Ben Lamasterofselfmutilationflavoredjell-o
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 23:18:07 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Pitch Axis Theory (explained)
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970712231805.00803e00@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 10:58 PM 7/12/97 -0700, you wrote:
>In closing, I was lookin' through Satch's bio information, and it
>mentioned something about a pitch-axis theory. My question? What the
>hell is it?
>*scratches nuts*
Hey Eckie, I showed you this last week on yer guitar!!
PITCH AXIS THEORY:
"The principle is that any number of harmonic settings can be linked by
the same tonal center. Say you're in C major (C D E F G A B C) for four
bars and C minor (C D Eb F G Ab Bb) for the next four bars:
The major and minor keys share the same tonic, C, and this note provides a
pivot point on which to shift harmonies. You could then take four bars in,
say C Phyrigian (C Db Eb F G Ab Bb), and then four in C Mixolydian (C D E F
G A Bb). Now a series of four distinct harmonies are adjoined, all of them
revolving around the same C center. Thus, one _pitch_ provides an _axis_
point for the scales and chords of a variety of harmonic situations."
-Guitar Magazine, November 1996 "Joe Satriani Riffology"
>(DT needs to learn from
>Aerosmith: to make it big you need balls and chunk in the music, and
>tits and axe in the videos)
I hear not ballz nor chunk in Aerosmith's music. They don't do that.
Compare them to Sepultura, Tourniquet, GC, DT, or MD: "No ballz" vs. "BALLZ
'N CHUUUUUUUUUUNK!!!"
|"The mother of all that is evil... |
|One look in her lusting eyes, |
|Savage fear in you will rise, |
|Deep terror sinking in, |
|The bite of the she-wolf" |
| |
| -Almost all of my ex-girlfriends fit this mold |
_Vinnie_
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 00:30:08 -0700
From: "James E. Thorpe" <thirdhvn@community.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Guitar Shtuff
Message-ID: <199707130724.AAA06402@odin.community.net>
--Regarding Todd Duane:
> I think he teaches in Europe now. I know he does clinics overseas a
>LOT.
Yes, he did. I even tried to call him in Austria. (I'm pretty desparate,
huh?) He moved back to Minnesota. He's in a cover band right now.
> Becker has more emotion in it... something about the slides and
>the whammy use and his amazing phrazing and killer bends.
>Bellas has to take a little more time to work on that, but I
>think he may get there yet.
If anyone ever says that Shredding or Progressive music lack emotion or
feeling, they ought to listen to Jason.
>I didn't forget Wacky. I just fear him. :)
I'm scared too. He's the Dr. Dre of Shredders. :)
> "A to the mofukkin' C to the mofukkin' E to the mofukkin' A again,
>beyotch!"
Ha!!
Does everyone know that Dr. Dre is going to incorporate
Metal into his next productions?
hmm.....Progressive Rap....I think that might go somewhere......
Imagine hearing beats in 13/8. ;)
peace,
--james--
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 03:49:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Thrak75@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: replies to various things
Message-ID: <970713034910_137683355@emout19.mail.aol.com>
>Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:06:47 -0500
>From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: Happy birthday wishes
>Message-ID: <33C81C17.5F22@auburn.net>
>
>Happy 30th birthday to John Petrucci! And a very happy 49th birthday to
>my illegitimate father, Richard Simmons, the fitness guru.
and also, today was kristy yamaguchi's bday. she's a lot better looking than
petrucci AND dick put together. and at the ripe ol' age of 26, she's prime
meat.
re: the apsog review
interesting article. i liked it. i don't agree with everything the guy says.
what he says about part ii is so true.
>In the second section of "A Pleasant Shade of Gray," FW actually hit on a
>truly progressive notion. They use an industrial style vamp with more of
>a distorted vocal sound. Exploring this area as a vehicle for their
>virtuostic chops would've been a completely fresh direction.
>Unfortunately, it is a short lived break from the navigational noodling of
>the album as a complete work.
.......with emphasis on "short-lived". i so wish they had done more with
that, but whatever....
re: thought industry
hey!!! they have a new cd out! i just happened to run into it at tower
tonight. i bought it (along with prodigy and coltrane's "love supreme" on
vinyl). thought industry is pretty good after a 1st listen. need to get into
it more. i can't fucking believe metal blade couldn't have the heart to make
it at least REMOTELY public.
and prodigy? it's good. it's scary. i like it. i AM the firestarter.
cd of the week:
this is an oldie but goodie. with all the talk about guitarists, billy idol
has a BRILLIANT album that features some lesser-known guitarists (not that
steve smith shmuck). if you ever want to hear the most unlikely-sounding
billy idol cd, pick up "cyberpunk". there is some SMOOOOTH playing on that.
and the guy(s) can burn rubber, too.
any other thought industry fans' remarks about the album would be cool (here
or private).
ron thal who? fuck him. vernon reid still kicks ass.
ytsegoon
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david y. kobayashi
thrak75@aol.com
"i'm afraid of americans, i'm afraid of the world. i'm afraid i can't help
it. i'm afraid i can't." d. bowie
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 01:25:32 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Pitch Axis Theory (explained)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970713012447.12089A-100000@general3.asu.edu>
Okay, yer right. Bad analogy.
We should just take some waterguns and DT videos and sneak into the MTV
headquarters and...
Hmm. Ne'ermind.
~Eckie
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 01:29:08 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: replies to various things
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970713012744.12089B-100000@general3.asu.edu>
He mentioned Prodigy and Billy Idol in one note.
Somebody get the rope, I'll find some matches....
>;)
~Eckie's done taking up bandwidth for one night
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 04:23:59 -0500
From: WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Rush, my sig, Savatage
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970713042359.006a275c@mail.autobahn.mb.ca>
>Just had a question to ask that maybe someone can answer for me...
>Rush played a "secret" unannounced show this past December in Toronto, at
>this show (it is rumored) that they recorded it to use on a live album.
>
Nope, it's not...at least the first part isn't a rumor. I can't remeber if
it was in December or not, but it was a "secret" show. Whether or not it
was recorded, I'm not sure. However, it wouldn't surprise me. Toronto's
known for good "recordable" venues.
>>someone wrote:
>>
>>
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>I swear on tomorrow if you take this chance
>>Our lives are this moment; the music, the dance
>>And here in this labyrinth of lost mysteries
>>I close my eyes on this night and you're all that I see
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>
>>and it just really cought my eye... any idea who wrote that, made that or
got
>>it from? id really like to know....
>>
>>~Lisa
>>
I'm WhiteWolf and that's my main sig. I got it from the last verse of the
song
"Not What You See" by Savatage from the album Dead Winter Dead; a concept
album about the war in Bosnia. Most excellent disc; in fact, it hasn't left
my changer in 6 months. Great vocal counterpoint melodies in this one, as
well. I highly recommend
this disc to alot of people. If I had to pigeon-hole it, I'd have to say
it's "Operatic Heavy Rock". Also highly recommended is the Savatage side
project Trans-Siberian Orchesta (TSO). They have a Christmas album, which
is due to be re-released in time for the holidays this year.
Laterness...
Eric
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they want the truth, the sincerity
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 12:23:14 -0700
From: Satch <cedric.zambeaux@hol.fr>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2743
Message-ID: <33C92B22.383@hol.fr>
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>
> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 97 12:01:07 PDT
> From: omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: when dream and day unite,we must do something!!!!!!!
> Message-ID: <Chameleon.970713122452.omeraron@>
>
> i think that this message have to be red by every dream
> theater fan!!!!!!
> i can't stand it anymore! i heard today WDADU and i can't exept with
> it anymore!!!!! no longer!!!!
> the damn cd have good songs,and show defently what DT is all about,
> BUT,it's sound so horrible! i'm not only talking about the singer,
> i don't care! i am talking about the worst quality i ever heard,and
> most inportant:were the hell is john myung? the label has absolutly
> no bass! when i turn up the bass to maximum i can only hear mikes
> base drum,and there is no recolection from dear mr. myung!
> and when i heard live at the marquee,or live at tokyo,i was stuned
> from the exelent bass lines in ytsejam and the killing hand.
> so,please,i can't do anything,but i know that some of you there can
> make a petition strong enough to make DT re-record WDADU!
> i know that some of you think i am crazy,but let's be honest,don't
> you want it to be recorded? and other bands done it than why not
> dream theater?!??!
> please hear me out!!!!!
> tell me what you think...
> omer ephrat.
>
I totally agree with you.As a Dream Theater fan, i must admit that it
would be excellent if the band re-record WDADU.Ok, for me it's for
another reason, i can't bear Charlie Dominici voice.When i compare a
Fortune in lies and The Killing Hand from WDADU with the ones of Live at
the Marquee it's a night and day difference.I'd like so much to listen
to Light Fuse and get Away if Labrie sings on it.I agree too about the
bass thing...it's like Myung has disappear from the cd's!
If the band could re-record WDADU, I think it'd be good for them too,
not only for the fans like us!
regards
-- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> <> "Another chance to lift my life, Free the sensations in <> <> my heart,to ride the wings of dreams into changing <> <> horizons. <> <> It brings inner peace within my mind, as i'm lifted from <> <> where I've spilt my life. <> <> I hear an innocent voice <> <> I hear kindness, beauty and truth." <> <> * <> <> * <> <> E-Mail : js700@hotmail.com <> <> satch.@usa.net <> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>------------------------------
Date: 13 Jul 97 15:42:29 +0200 From: "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaliitto.fi> To: Ytse Jam (Dream Theater Mailing List) <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Who TF are Stratovarius.... Message-ID: <0021877F0200000101003B4555042E@mlespser1001.metsaliitto.fi>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
From: the-atman@juno.com (d a v) >Stratovarius - Visions >who are these guys???? what instruments are in the band???
Well, since no one's responded to this one, I take it that I have been declared the Stratovarius bullhorn on this forum. :) Here goes...
Timo Tolkki - guitar Timo Kotipelto - voice Jens Johansson - keys (ex-Dio, ex-Rising Force) Jari Kainulainen - bass Joerg Michael - drums (ex-Running Wild, ex-Rage, ex-Grave Digger)
Check more info from their official website at: http://www.netlife.fi/stratovarius
_Mape_
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 09:17:20 -0400 From: Lars Hellsten <lars@shaw.wave.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970713091716.00812e00@mail.tor.shaw.wave.ca>
> So glad you care that much about me. By the way, you've proven, >without my efforts, that you are a dick.
I thought it was "you're BEING a dick"? You've sold out dammit! I'm never going to listen to you again.
>You aren't complex enough to
In other words... I'm NOT PROG! No! NO! You evil child of Satan! I'm as prog as a hootananny, and if you say that to my face I'll fucking flatten yo...
>"trick" me into anything. The concept of tricking me to post about >something is your excuse for writing a lame ass post, and not being able to >defend your opinions.
I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you!
I already told you, I don't get into arguments with you anymore, it's a waste of time. Some people (say, me) like to express their opinions on the jam. Other people (say, you) just like to jump into conversations after people have expressed their opinions and start arguments and flame wars.
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 10:33:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FW tour dates confusion? Message-ID: <199707131433.KAA03310@umbc9.umbc.edu>
I just saw a list of FW tour dates from Medal Blade.
There seems to be some confusion over the Philly show.
>8/8 JAXX NITE CLUB W SPRINGFIELD VA >8/9 LODOWN MT VERNON NY >8/10 TROCADERO PHILEDELPHIA
Jaxx is definately on Friday the 8th right? I had heard that Philly was on Thursday the 7th. Is it definately on Sunday the 10th? If so, that would definately be better for our road trip plans since it's a weekend. We plan on hitting Virgina and then making a "Pleasant Shade of Philly" road trip.
Can someone please confirm these dates?
Also, what would be the best way to get tix for the Philly show? Call TicketBastard up there? Also, does anyone have any clue why the TicketBastard web site doesn't carry Maryland events?!
Thanks!
-- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 08:38:48 PDT From: "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com> To: someone@enteract.com Cc: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Queensryche Message-ID: <199707131538.IAA21563@f19.hotmail.com>
> We got backstage for the preshow party, got all of the band's >autographs, and got a picture of Maddy and me with each one of the band >members. That's goin' up on the web page for sure! Met two very cool >Jammers... one of the list's Cygnus-folk (The proud owner of one of our >autographed Hear in the Now Frontier promo stickers) and Scott (Hanson, I >think it was?), who also got some autograph-age. Got a pick from Michael >Wilton, which I wouldn't have thought to do had Maddy not been with me. > I met more Rychers from the QR Internet groups than jammers, which >was sort of disappointing, but these people were cooler than hell (hmm. >That would be a given, I guess). This has been a good night.
QR Internet groups? What QR Internet groups? Where can I find them?
Complete with burning guitars, bashed up drum sets and sealed with a kiss,
Eric Paul LaRue
"Take hold of the flame. Don't you see life's a game? So take hold of the flame. You've got nothing to lose, but everything to gain!"
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