YTSEJAM Digest 2745
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Michael Harris CD's
by cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert)
2) QR in HP about HitNF
by "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
3) Voice samples
by "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
4) Phat Shreddage, G
by "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
5) NDTC / QR
by Dave <buster@ee.net>
6) Re-Recording of WDADU
by JE78674@ltu.edu
7) WDADU:plan B...
by omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il
8) Re: WDADU:plan B...
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
9) Re: WDADU:plan B...
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
10) Re: cybersatch
by "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
11) Impostors, Hypocrites and Parodies
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
12) Visual Music & Son of The Imposter
by "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2744
by Infinate0@aol.com
14) re: YTSEJAM digest 2744
by David Edwards <bub2000@ibm.net>
15) Good Ytsejams
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 10:44:34 -0500
From: cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert)
To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Michael Harris CD's
Message-ID: <19970713153949086.AAA124@cmustard.vonl.com>
· • Colonel Mustard • ·
Ahoy,
>shred master Micheal Harris-Defense
>Mechanizms cds available for sale or trade
Right on Kevin! Michael Harris is the man - If you run out, check with
Harris himself, guitout7@aol.com . He might still have a few, and if
nothing else, ask him about his other CD's and other bands (namely
Surgeon!). He can send you a mail order catalog of his stuff. Tell him
"the shredder" sent you hehehe. :)
· • Colonel Mustard • ·
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 08:49:03 PDT
From: "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: QR in HP about HitNF
Message-ID: <199707131549.IAA10153@f29.hotmail.com>
For those of you who didn't like the fact that HitNF wasn't as refined
as their last six records,(which, yes, IMHO does include Promised Land)
I have a justification for you. I picked up Hit Parader the other
day,(Mainly for the Top 100 Hard Rock CDs of all time, which BTW,
Queensryche appears on twice. But DT and FW do not appear on at all.
But, I digress.) and there was an interview with Geoff Tate in there
about the new album. Here is, IMHO, the key quote.
"Fresh and quick was the approach we were looking for on this record.
We didn't want to spend a lot of time with it. ... There wasn't a lot of
attention to detail, it was far more spontaneous record than anything we
had ever done."
Hopefully, when they do their next record,(and I do hope they do a next
record) they won't rush through it as much, and it will return to the
former glory they had on their other records. I guess after having six
good productions, they were due for a dud. Nobody's perfect.
It's like Star Trek V-The other 7 movies were good, but that one sucked.
Complete with burning guitars, bashed up drum sets and sealed with a
kiss,
Eric Paul LaRue
"Take hold of the flame.
Don't you see life's a game?
So take hold of the flame.
You've got nothing to lose, but everything to gain!"
Queensryche-"Take Hold of the Flame"
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6289
"We're on a mission from God."-Blues Brothers
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 08:51:56 PDT
From: "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Voice samples
Message-ID: <199707131551.IAA10704@f12.hotmail.com>
Since we just had a post about voice samples in "Space-Dye Vest," I
thought I'd go ahead and ask about the other songs that have voice
samples. Here are the ones I can think of:
1.Take the Time
2.6:00(Although I think that's obvious)
3.The Mirror
4.ACoS pt. III-Carpe Diem(Although I think that's obvious, too.)
Okay, there are only four. Oh, well.
Complete with burning guitars, bashed up drum sets and sealed with a
kiss,
Eric Paul LaRue
"Take hold of the flame.
Don't you see life's a game?
So take hold of the flame.
You've got nothing to lose, but everything to gain!"
Queensryche-"Take Hold of the Flame"
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6289
"We're on a mission from God."-Blues Brothers
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 09:41:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Pipe Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Phat Shreddage, G
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.970713092230.57408C-100000@dante08.u.washington.edu>
> From: "James E. Thorpe" <thirdhvn@community.net>
> Subject: More Guitar Thread shtuff
>
> I have Itzak Perlman's version of Pag's 24 Caprices.
Pag? You have Itz covering Pag?
> Haha. :) Don't forget Wacky Brian.
He should change his name to Brain. Then he could be Wacky-Phat Brain.
Make that two T's, Wacky-Phatt Brain.
> Maybe we could do something that is simular in the Rap world. Have a
> East Coast V.S West Coast Shred Feud and then shoot each other :) :) :)
> I can see us making these videos looking like gangstas. :)
>
> "Yo, my sweep arpeggios are fat." :) :)
Gangsta-Shred... Hmmm... I don't think that's ever been done, James. Old
School Relativity meets New School Relativity! Joe Satriani and the Bone
Thuggs! Da Bitch-Axis principle, muthafucka!!
Maybe we could do a dozen-player project like Wu-Tang and all do different
tracks, then split up and do six or seven solo albums, then come back and
release a quadruple-disc shredfest with even more shredders than the first
album had! A 100-Disc Box Set so huge and threatening that there'd be no
room for anything else at the music stores!! Just shred!! Shelves and
Shelves of the Ytse-Tang Clan!! Special Bonus Track of the Spice Girls
faking stratocaster-playing like those women from the Robert Palmer
videos!!
> I didn't know Bafu was a shred player. Are you into Becker, Bafu?
No, and as I've said before... Much like the fabled episode of "The
Inredible Hulk" where supposedly his pants fall off and he doesn't have
any underwear on underneath, I don't believe Becker's albums exist. I've
never seen one, not even in a used-cd store. But yes, I'm a "shred"
player, though I prefer the terms "stunt" and "solo." Exclusively
electric, exclusively distortion. It IS one instrument, its capabilities
as other instruments don't interest me.
---- > From: Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com> > Subject: The Mathematician Speaks ........ > > > 4. A race driver drove around a 6 mile track at 140 mph for three > > miles, 168 mph for 1 1/2 miles, and 210 mph for 1 1/2 miles. What was > > his average speed for the entire 6 miles? > > This however, little boys and girls, is a brain TEASER and not some > computational exercise. The definition of "average speed" is the > distance traveled divided by the time it took to do so. If you start > at point A and end up at Point A (recall that a racetrack is a circle), > your distance traveled is zero. Zero divided by any (non-zero) value > of time is zero.By that logic, the distance of the Earth's circumference is zero.
And all round-trip plane tickets would be free because you'd be travelling zero miles. Or kilometers, depending on which country you live in. Or kilometres. Or kilometres bien.
Bafu Vai
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 12:47:59 -0400 From: Dave <buster@ee.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NDTC / QR Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970713124759.006a6c78@ee.net>
> I just got back from the Chicago QR show at the World Music Theater. > > The band was tight as can be, and the vocals were just gorgeous. >Geoff Tate still has his range... he didn't wimp out on any high notes, and
Excellent! This seems to be what I'm hearing about every show, that Geoff is making fools out of everyone who has gone around and said "oh, he can't sing anymore, he smokes too much, blahblahblah". I have heard reviews of every show so far, and one word keeps popping up over and over: GREAT!
Even though the new CD is not my favorite, I have never lost faith in them....those of you who have seen the "Building Empires" video and heard Geoff sing the 2 "unplugged" tunes know why.
The new CD sounds the way it does because they wanted it to, for better or worse, that is the case. I'll be honest with you guys, I've been a QR fan for 13 years and I'm having a hard time with the new CD, *BUT*, at least they are still making new CD's. Rumor has it that they are back into the studio right after the tour and we'll have a new CD from them before January!
I'll be at the Columbus Ohio show July 19th, both backstage and in the 2nd row center stage. Any jammers gonna be there?!?
buster http://www.dhpc.com/ryche/ - Surgical Strike http://users1.ee.net/buster - When Dream and Doom Unite
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 12:57:37 -0400 (EDT) From: JE78674@ltu.edu To: YTSEJAM@ax.com Subject: Re-Recording of WDADU Message-ID: <01IL6T3V11768ZEIYQ@LTU.EDU>
Well guys, I agree with you 100% on this, but DT doesn't want to do it. The next best thing would be to get When Dream and Today Unite, a Mike Bahr print. It's every WDADU song done live with KJLB on vocals! I do believe he has a few copies left for sale. This is probably your only oportunity to have WDADU with James singing.....
Take care,
Jeff E.
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 97 07:19:31 PDT From: omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: WDADU:plan B... Message-ID: <Chameleon.970714073756.omeraron@>
well hello there,i have some good news and bad news: bad news: there is no way that DT will re-record the album,because they can't because there is problem with copyright,two members left, and the rest is rather complicated... BUT,there is allways good news! the only way that DT can play the songs from WDADU AND put them in an album is by playing them on live shows. i already know that the current DT members r playing songs from WDADU in they're tour,so all they have to do is record in their concerts the songs from WDADU and release it as a live show. now some of you gonna say that they are not playing all of the WDADU songs,WELL WRONG! I know that they did all of the WDADU songs in their awake tour! no,they didn't do one show with all the songs,but in each concert they put another song. of course they did ytsejam alot more than status killer,but they did it two,even if it was one or two times in the all tour! so,if you,the people who has the power and the influence,if you can make this thing strong enough,you can do it without any doubt,i promise! omer ephrat ISRAEL
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 12:04:03 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: WDADU:plan B... Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970713120401.007eabb0@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 10:09 AM 7/13/97 -0700, you wrote: >well hello there,i have some good news and bad news: >bad news: there is no way that DT will re-record the album,because >they can't because there is problem with copyright,two members left, >and the rest is rather complicated... >BUT,there is allways good news! >the only way that DT can play the songs from WDADU AND put them in an >album is by playing them on live shows. >i already know that the current DT members r playing songs from WDADU >in they're tour,so all they have to do is record in their concerts >the songs from WDADU and release it as a live show. <<<<SNIP>>>>
Um, Mr. Bahr already did it dude. Good CD too. When Dream And Today Unite. His e-mail addy is durnik@goodnet.com
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 16:07:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: WDADU:plan B... Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970713160454.27323A-100000@umbc8.umbc.edu>
On Sun, 13 Jul 1997 omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il wrote:
> now some of you gonna say that they are not playing all of the WDADU > songs,WELL WRONG! I know that they did all of the WDADU songs in > their awake tour! no,they didn't do one show with all the songs,but > in each concert they put another song.
On the AWAKE tour, the only song played from WDADU was "the ones who help to set the sun." And they even dropped that tune halfway thru the tour because most of the crowd did not recognize it.
Brandon
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 15:47:42 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: cybersatch Message-ID: <199707132050.PAA24289@Walden.MO.NET>
> BTW, regarding Satriani...his web site is a bit hysterical. It's a > single letter away from being the address of a major porn site. I'll let > you figgur that one out, and try it if you must. >:) cybersatch.com vs cybersnatch.com :)
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 20:52:14 +0200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytchi Jam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Impostors, Hypocrites and Parodies Message-ID: <01BC8FDE.BF5A2940@Lursa.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
impostor@wee.wee wrote :
> Chris Merlo is a hypocrite. See below.
We're ALL hypocrites. I HATE hypocrites but even I AM one, every now and then. At least Chris posts some DTC on a regular basis... I have yet to see YOU post something on-topic. Not that that's a problem... Everyone KNOWS we can "talk about other stuff too"...
Anyway, I just had a nice idea for this list (IMHO)... Every now and then people come up with great parodies of Marillion lyrics and post them on the Freaks mailinglist. I've collected them, and put them on my homepage at http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/ if you're interested.
Maybe *we* could do something like that too. Any takers ? It is even cooler when the parodies are on-topic or about things that have been going on on this list. Who knows, it might take care of some of the negativity on the Ytsejam. Of course, I'm talking to people who want recommendations for songs to stay depressed, so what do I know ? ;-)
Mark, Ytse-Hypocrite ____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__ No matter what I say or do, it never looks _ _____ ___ _ _ __ __ like making any difference. Don't focus all |:||_.:._|/:._]|:]_[:|\.\_/./ your anger and resentment that you have. |:| |:| (.:(_ |:___:| \_::/ Don't blame it on me. Don't blame it on me. |_| [_] \___]|_] [_| [__/ _________________________________________________________________________ Itchy's Homepage - http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 15:30:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Pipe Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Visual Music & Son of The Imposter Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.970713153028.56198K-100000@dante13.u.washington.edu>
> From: Laussade@aol.com > Subject: Heh heh heh. > > Yeah...like...VISUAL MUSIC! MOOOOOOWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
/me cracks his knuckles...
---- > From: impostor@wee.wee > > Chris Merlo is a hypocrite. See below. > > [D-Man, about the second reason why he dumped on Michael Coghlan]
The first reason being that he can't tell the difference between Coghlan's mouth and a porcelain bowl?
> And everything you type is purely music content. If I don't recall, > you just posted some huge ego-fest answering brain teasers when most of > us really could care less about reading memorized answers to old brain > teasers.
That's like saying I had already memorized all the answers to Ben's Visual Music problems (pronounced "probLEMs" like Martin Lawrence).
> > I can't do that, Mike. I will defend to the death Michael's right > > to think and feel what he chooses, and even to convey those feelings > > in an appropriate forum. But this is *not* it. > > The appropriate forum for your brain teasers is not here either, Chris. > Try alt.chris.merlo.shaved.butt.teasers.
If we were on IRC, someone probably would have said "lag sucks" by now. But I'm not going to be the one. To hold you down. Kiss you so hard, I'll take your breath away...
> I think I'm going to listen to this again tonight. With the headphones > on, and the room dark, LOUD. I'll probably be going to the Fort Worth > Fates Warning gig, maybe some of us can meet up. I'm the one with the > scanned picture of Mike Bahr's Labrie Impression on my shirt.
That's a GREAT photo, isn't it??? :)
> As if.
D'OH!!
> Take it difficult, everybody.
I think what he meant to say was "Take it up the ASS, everybody."
Bafu Vai
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 19:25:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Infinate0@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2744 Message-ID: <970713192554_473814727@emout06.mail.aol.com>
Reegarding Satch's Pitch Axis... the whole thing is described in the book transcribing "Surfing with the Alien"... it's huge.
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 19:33:57 -0400 From: David Edwards <bub2000@ibm.net> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: re: YTSEJAM digest 2744 Message-ID: <01BC8FC3.BA1BA5A0@slip129-37-94-82.me.us.ibm.net>
>From: Thrak75@aol.com >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: replies to various things
>re: thought industry
>any other thought industry fans' remarks about the album would be cool (here >or private).
I'll just go the public route to respond to this. Hope nobody minds hearing some fairly sad stories about one of my favorite bands. I've actually been reading jams since before the 1,000s, but I've never written.
So...Thought Industry. Well, I picked up their first CD (Songs for Insects) by mistake and just fell in love with them. I would not necessarily recommend them to people on this list, because I've seen what happens to recommendations. If you can listen to them first, that would be best.
Anyway, I had gotten the album prior to this one (Outer Space is just a Martini Away) and I was visiting a friend of mine in Ft. Collins, CO in February of 1996. I happened to catch a campus tv station that advertised that Thought Industry was going to be playing at a bar in Greeley. Anyone from Colorado can vouch that Greeley is just about as far away from a bright spot in the universe as Tatooine. So, my friend wasn't interested, and I went down to this little sports bar called Bears in Greeley. I walk in and there are a whoooole bunch of hicks watching sports on TV's, with the band playing pool in the back room. By this point I'm thoroughly convinced that I've made a mistake, and there is some other band called thought industry that frequents sports dives with about 7 people in them. Nope. There was even an opening band...Nature...who were also pretty good, but I was the only person there to actually see the band. Quite literally. Everyone else was sitting at the bar talking to the bartender. So, Nature starts up...nobody but me likes them, and midway through the set they stop and start talking to me. "Hey!...what's your name?" "David," I say. "Well...Thanks for showing up David." By now things had gotten surreal. I've never had a private concert held solely for me. Let alone by one of my favorite bands.
So, Thought Industry took the stage...they had a pretty brief set and then had to stop because one of the drummer's cymbals was cracking. (Not being a musician at all, I had no idea if this is something that happens, or if they just wanted to get the hell out. Either is excusable) And then they all came to the table that I was at and we just chatted for an hour or two. The lead singer gave me a CD of a side band he was working on and they all signed an 8x10 glossy of the band, "David...thanks for coming"
It sounds like they may be a band in trouble. They had actually bought a keg for the bar to try to entice people to show up, so I was treated to free beer all night as well. They weren't making very much money, and they were noticeably tweaking their sound to appeal to a more commercial crowd. If you noticed a difference between Mods and Outer Space, it was on purpose. You wouldn't call it selling out if you saw them when I did. They seemed to be just trying to make a living anyway possible. I had the idea that a few might still be living with their parents, who were certainly bailing them out when all their equipment got stolen a few nights before.
It was a bittersweet night. I got to see one of my top three bands play live...just for me, but I also saw what state they were in. So, I just got the new album last week (the same week I moved from Colorado to Portland, ME...if there are any Jammers around here, let me know, we can go out and get a beer or something) and it just brought back all these memories. I'm glad to hear that at least a few people here like them. Keep buying their stuff or they'll starve!
David
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 19:43:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Good Ytsejams Message-ID: <199707132343.TAA08429@umbc8.umbc.edu>
Yay! Two new jams, and mostly about shred guitar technique! I may be a non guitarist, but I'm pretty much a guitar nerd. :)
> to worry about children. But when I'm getting hot and heavy, I need > protection...against AGFU's: Amplified Guitar Fuck Ups. That's right, > Amplified Guitar Fuck Ups. In order to protect myself from these
YES! And these, of course, are much worse than UGFU's. :)
> >In closing, I was lookin' through Satch's bio information, and it > >mentioned something about a pitch-axis theory. My question? What the > >hell is it? > >*scratches nuts* > > PITCH AXIS THEORY: > "The principle is that any number of harmonic settings can be linked by > the same tonal center. Say you're in C major (C D E F G A B C) for four > bars and C minor (C D Eb F G Ab Bb) for the next four bars: > The major and minor keys share the same tonic, C, and this note provides a > pivot point on which to shift harmonies. You could then take four bars in, > say C Phyrigian (C Db Eb F G Ab Bb), and then four in C Mixolydian (C D E F > G A Bb). Now a series of four distinct harmonies are adjoined, all of them > revolving around the same C center. Thus, one _pitch_ provides an _axis_ > point for the scales and chords of a variety of harmonic situations." > > -Guitar Magazine, November 1996 "Joe Satriani Riffology"
I had heard about the so-called "pitch axis theory" in magazines and stuff, but then when I read this, I was, like, "Duh." Of COURSE all the C modes are related. But then, i started thinking--each mode arrived at diatonically <that is, from noted that are in the scale from which you are working> also has what is called a home key. If you are in C Major and you modulate to C Dorian, you change the scale from CDEFGAB to CDEbFGABb, which, if you notice, is like playing in C w/ the key sig of Bb, so the C Dorian mode ALSO gives you a springboard from which to modualte to Bb and all ITS related keys/modes. That's where the real magic of pitch axis theory lies.
So, if you ever hear a modulation that sounds really sick or unnatural, it may have been arrived at through this aplication of pitch axis theory, and may not be so sick at all. :)
> >Happy 30th birthday to John Petrucci! And a very happy 49th birthday to > >my illegitimate father, Richard Simmons, the fitness guru.
Hey! He's gay! You can't talk about him on this list! :)
> and also, today was kristy yamaguchi's bday. she's a lot better looking than > petrucci AND dick put together. and at the ripe ol' age of 26, she's prime > meat.
Wow! Someone else who shares in my Kristi Yamaguchi fixation!
Steve Z
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