YTSEJAM Digest 2746
Today's Topics:
1) Hmm.
by Laussade@aol.com
2) Goliath & Co.
by "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
3) stuff...
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
4) WDADU live??
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
5) Queensryche's latest dud....NOT!
by rickbond <rickbond@concentric.net>
6) Thought Industry!
by Laussade@aol.com
7) Queenryche Club Show
by wax@sprynet.com
8) With regrets...
by Tim Caudill <symmetry@gate.usaor.net>
9) Oooops!!!!
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
10) Re-Recording of WDaDU
by "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
11) Geoff Tate + other thingies
by Laussade@aol.com
12) ANGRA - MTV awards
by "Elv" <cyclone@securenet.net>
13) Re: Queensryche's latest dud....NOT!
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
14) Re: ANGRA - MTV awards
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
15) Parodies, Thought Industry, and AOLers.
by "KorgX3" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
16) Advice needed badly.
by ERIK STEARNS <stearns@realtime.net>
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 20:15:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Laussade@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Hmm.
Message-ID: <970713201530_-990474604@emout19.mail.aol.com>
> Yeah...like...VISUAL MUSIC! MOOOOOOWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
/me cracks his knuckles...
******
In preparation to whoop my ass for even suggesting it, or in preparation to
get all of them correct? :)
Fun Fact Of The Day: Drumming along to the entirety of Awake is good
fun, unless you're me..because I have to turn up the earphones super loud so
I can hear the music over my drums, and because i sometimes unknowingly
clench my teeth while I'm playing, so now my ears are ringing and my jaw
hurts. But, while i was playing, it was a jolly time. :) Also, I'm really
sweaty now, so I'm gonna hit the shower. Buhbye!
Head
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 17:19:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Pipe Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Goliath & Co.
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.970713171758.37398A-100000@dante13.u.washington.edu>
> From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
> Subject: Goliath
Goliath? For the life of me I can't remember if the WWF ever had a
wrestler with that name. Would've been good, though...
> "A to the mofukkin' C to the mofukkin' E to the mofukkin' A again,
> beyotch!"
That would be the chorus. Say it about ten times as fast as possible,
WHILE shredding a C-augmented arpeggio. Get the fretboard right in the
camera, start knocking people down with the headstock WHILE flailing
away...
> Bafu is unfortunate in his lack of required shred listening. Let's not
> rub it in... he might cry. :)
At this point it should be noted that Chris Ptacek has 8,492 albums of
guitar music, a collection encompassing flamenco, shred, classical, and a
few guys from that teeny tiny galaxy on Orion's collar. I think the line
was, "Jesus Christ, Bafu, you've got Tony Fredianelli and Joe Stump but
not Jason Becker?!?!" :)
> So glad you care that much about me. By the way, you've proven, without
> my efforts, that you are a dick.
The prosecution rests.
> You aren't complex enough to "trick" me into anything.
This statement just has the word "Borg" written all over it. :)
> The concept of tricking me to post about something is your excuse for
> writing a lame ass post, and not being able to defend your opinions. I
> rest my case, and will be certain not to continue discussing this
> matter on this forum.
You can tell Chris' fangs are out when he starts sounding like a patient
and forgiving Jedi master...on the verge of ramming his light saber up
someone's colon... Or something...
Bafu Vai
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 20:22:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: dmastrian@aol.com
Subject: stuff...
Message-ID: <199707140022.UAA10892@umbc8.umbc.edu>
> For those of you who didn't like the fact that HitNF wasn't as refined
> as their last six records,(which, yes, IMHO does include Promised Land)
> I have a justification for you. I picked up Hit Parader the other
> day,(Mainly for the Top 100 Hard Rock CDs of all time, which BTW,
> Queensryche appears on twice. But DT and FW do not appear on at all.
> But, I digress.) and there was an interview with Geoff Tate in there
> about the new album. Here is, IMHO, the key quote.
>
> "Fresh and quick was the approach we were looking for on this record.
> We didn't want to spend a lot of time with it. ... There wasn't a lot of
> attention to detail, it was far more spontaneous record than anything we
> had ever done."
>
> Hopefully, when they do their next record,(and I do hope they do a next
> record) they won't rush through it as much, and it will return to the
> former glory they had on their other records. I guess after having six
> good productions, they were due for a dud. Nobody's perfect.
>
> It's like Star Trek V-The other 7 movies were good, but that one sucked.
Whew. I was wondering about that. I'm glad that they really didn't put
much effort into it, because it certainly shows. I was just talking to a
friend who also loves Queensryche, and she and I agree that if the 'ryche
is going to do another album like this we wish they'd just break up and
leave us all with happy memories.
> By that logic, the distance of the Earth's circumference is zero.
>
> And all round-trip plane tickets would be free because you'd be travelling
> zero miles. Or kilometers, depending on which country you live in. Or
> kilometres. Or kilometres bien.
thank you, Bafu, for saying that. That brain teaser "solution" was
pissing me off.
> > The band was tight as can be, and the vocals were just gorgeous.
> >Geoff Tate still has his range... he didn't wimp out on any high notes, and
>
> Excellent! This seems to be what I'm hearing about every show, that
> Geoff is making fools out of everyone who has gone around and said
> "oh, he can't sing anymore, he smokes too much, blahblahblah".
> I have heard reviews of every show so far, and one word keeps popping
> up over and over: GREAT!
Yes, but this is just random people's opinions, and these people might not
know good technical singing from bad. No offense, but it's true. Even on
his BEST nights on the PL tour Geoff sounded passable at best, and
definitely strained. Being a singer, I can hear the effect of smoking on
a voice as opposed to merely the effects of time on a voice, and I
maintain that if Geoff quit smoking he would sound MARKEDLY better.
Did anyone hear the San Jose show on the PL tour? UGH!
> the only way that DT can play the songs from WDADU AND put them in an
> album is by playing them on live shows.
> i already know that the current DT members r playing songs from WDADU
> in they're tour,so all they have to do is record in their concerts
> the songs from WDADU and release it as a live show.
And, the great thing about a DT live album is that they will have to fix
up the vocals anyway, so it we be almost as if James went into the studio
to rerecord the whole album! :P
> > BTW, regarding Satriani...his web site is a bit hysterical. It's a
> > single letter away from being the address of a major porn site. I'll let
> > you figgur that one out, and try it if you must. >:)
> cybersatch.com vs cybersnatch.com :)
HA! That's what I thought it was!
I mean...uh...no! I don't know anything about internet porn! :)
Steve Z
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 21:27:35 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: WDADU live??
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95q.970713212110.11402B-100000@ant116.cce.usp.br>
On Sun, 13 Jul 1997, Vincent G. LuPone wrote:
> Um, Mr. Bahr already did it dude. Good CD too.
> When Dream And Today Unite.
> His e-mail addy is durnik@goodnet.com
Well, I have WDATU (it is my only Mike Bahr CD) and I don't really
think it is a good CD soundwise. Maybe I'm an audiophile, but I simply
can't understand why people are satisfied with its sound quality.
This is not meant as a flame to Mike Bahr. Sure, he has done a
great job. He has even put on the sleeve some of the things there were not
soundboard and had a lot of problems (hiss/lack of higher frequencies). He
has done a great job.
*BUT* this *doesn't* exclude the possibility of the band doing a
great professional/with the assistance of Elektra of a new WDADU Live.
And this would not decrease the value of Mike Bahr bootlegs, since
as he had said earlier, these performances are unique and not to be found
on any other Bootleg CDs.
Ok.
Let me receive the flames now!!! Send me your hate messages! :-)
[]s from a person that is only sending his opinions, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 20:44:08 -0400 From: rickbond <rickbond@concentric.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Queensryche's latest dud....NOT! Message-ID: <33C97657.297041B3@concentric.net>
> Hopefully, when they do their next record,(and I do hope they do a next > record) they won't rush through it as much, and it will return to the > former glory they had on their other records. I guess after having six > good productions, they were due for a dud. Nobody's perfect. > It irks me when people say "this album sucks", "this album was a dud", blah blah blah...that's YOUR opinion...you shouldn't generalize. I personally have loved QR since O:M, and then when I heard their past albums, I loved them too, and I love "Hear in the now Frontier". Now I've written this, but I still don't feel any better. I'm not saying that people can't express their own feelings, because they certainly can, but this individual made it sound like general knowledge...it isn't!
Take Care
Rick
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 21:17:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Laussade@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Thought Industry! Message-ID: <970713211733_-790184136@emout08.mail.aol.com>
WWWOOOOOOO! Somebody else who likes TI! :)
I've got the first three albums....one from Best Buy, the others from a used CD store in California (Rasputin's). They're all awesome. I'd have to say Songs For Insects is my least favorite..but I like 'em all. The band is the definition of insanity. And even though maybe they did change their sound to open up to the masses more on Outer Space...it's still far from tame. I've been looking for Black Umbrella everywhere, so anyone who has it..where did you find it?! Anywho, just glad to see somebody else has heard of them. Adios!
"Fuck you, you dumb fuck. I'm having too much fun taking drugs now." --Brent Oberlin
Head
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 21:48:43 -0400 From: wax@sprynet.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Queenryche Club Show Message-ID: <33C9857B.7145@sprynet.com>
Hey Jammers, Just thought I'd let ya know that WMMS, Cleveland's real rock station, has managed to get Queensryche to do an invitation-only small club show at the Odeon in the Flats. They're playing a "Coffeebreak Concert" on 7/21/97 at Noon. I was fortunate enough to win tix last week and I'm ecstatic about going!! Any other Cleveland Jammers out there who share in my good fortune? I believe WMMS plans to broadcast the show too. Should be a cool deal...
The Ever Present Matt -- "Some people fly and some of us worry I'd risk it all to have wings..." -Queenryche
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:52:37 -0400 From: Tim Caudill <symmetry@gate.usaor.net> To: "'DT Nuts'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: With regrets... Message-ID: <01BC8FDF.77895860@dyn24cs15.usaor.net>
Hey all,
I'm saddened to say that a chapter of my life constituting the last year = and half has come to an end...that is to say, i've decided to unsubscribe from = the 'Jam.
I've met a lot of great people and learned more than i'd ever imagined = possible about my favorite band and a genre of music that i previously didn't = even know existed, but with the sheer volume of material i've been = receiving recently, i'm just not able to keep up with it. At best, i've read 5% of the last 500 = 'Jams, and i know i've missed a lot of relevant information in the process.
I'd like to thank Skadz for all the hard work he's put in. I can't = imagine how much effort you've put in, but i just wanted to let you know that it was appreciated.
To Mike Bahr, thanks for bringing those of us who haven't had the = opportunity to see them live, the chance to hear the DT that their record company = doesn't want us to hear. Contrary to the company's shallow, short term, = bottom-line point of view, i will not buy fewer DT albums thanks to Mike, i will buy = more. By the way, Mike, where's my Precious Things CD? :-)
To Mape, the Finnish Jammer extroaordinairre, thanks for introducing me = to such great material as Superior, Angra, Symphony X, and Zowie :-) If = you'd like to rekindle our trading, Mape, drop me a line.
I wish i could personally thank everyone who's made reading the 'Jam fun = and informative, but you know who you are, so give yourselves a pat on the = back from me. =20
I wish i could've read more 'Jams, i wish i could've posted more, but = mostly, i wish the 'Jam wouldn't have become a haven for flaming, back-stabbing, =
useless posts with nothing pertaining to DT, prog, or music at all.
I welcome e-mails from any DT fans who want to chat, especially those = from Western PA. And i can now be found subscribing to the new Voices mailing list, which i hope will become what the 'Jam promised to be when i = received my first 'Jam, #1574.
With regrets, Tim Caudill
"So can you tell me now are life and death a symmetry?" -- Savatage, HOR
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 23:13:05 -0400 From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Oooops!!!! Message-ID: <199707140313.XAA20446@wicked.stigmata.org>
Hey All ...
Due to a small fuck up on my part (well, AOL's fault), I kinda unsubbed just about everyone from AOL this morning (oops!) Messages had been bouncing back for people on AOL and by the time I noticed how many really had bounced, I had basically unsubbed everyone. Sorry about this.
Skadz
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 23:20:55 -0400 From: "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re-Recording of WDaDU Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970713232055.007b7b20@nh.ultranet.com>
Well guys, I agree with you 100% on this, but DT doesn't want to do it. The next best thing would be to get When Dream and Today Unite, a Mike Bahr print. It's every WDADU song done live with KJLB on vocals! I do believe he has a few copies left for sale. This is probably your only oportunity to have WDADU with James singing.....
Quite honestly, I enjoy the "vintage" aspect of this album. I don't, on the other hand (the killing hand : ) think that the album has good sound quality. It needs a lot of help. Was this album recorded in a shitty studio? Was it recorded analog? It could use a "sprucing" up, but don't have KJL redo the vocals.. Yes Dominicci sucks, but he was part of the band back then. I really think that Images needs this too, not that the Vocals or the guitar, bass or keyboards need it, but the Drums certainly do! I can't stand the "artifical" sound that the drums have! DON'T EVER TRIGGER A SNARE DRUM!! It sounds like shit! What was David Prater thinking??? I would like to go off about this a little, because every time I listen to this album I get pissed off because I know it could be just a little bit better if David hadn't triggered that snare! A snare drum is an intricate part of a drum set. It allows you to accent notes. A bass drum doesn't need to have accent notes, most "harder edged" bands trigger the bass drum, it actually sounds good because uneven hits on the bass drum sound like shit when recorded.. Back to the album, I would LOVE to see this taken up to Maine (Bob Ludwig) and see what he can do with it. Images was recorded digitally right? Shouldn't be too hard! : ) Just my .02 Later, J
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 23:40:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Laussade@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Geoff Tate + other thingies Message-ID: <970713234034_-1662685228@emout02.mail.aol.com>
Yes, but this is just random people's opinions, and these people might not know good technical singing from bad. No offense, but it's true. Even on his BEST nights on the PL tour Geoff sounded passable at best, and definitely strained. Being a singer, I can hear the effect of smoking on a voice as opposed to merely the effects of time on a voice, and I maintain that if Geoff quit smoking he would sound MARKEDLY better. *******
Geoff should definitely keep smoking. That's why I like Hear in the Now Frontier. He doesn't sing in his screechy eardrum-piercing voice. Yowza.
******* Fun Fact Of The Day: Drumming along to the entirety of Awake is good fun, unless you're me..because I have to turn up the earphones super loud so I can hear the music over my drums, and because i sometimes unknowingly clench my teeth while I'm playing, so now my ears are ringing and my jaw hurts. But, while i was playing, it was a jolly time. :) Also, I'm really sweaty now, so I'm gonna hit the shower. Buhbye! ****** First of all, I don't wanna hear about your sweat, bitch. Second of all, you should know that there IS no drumming on Awake, you dumb fuck. It's all done with mirrors and a few pieces of white bread to make it seem that way. Third of all, I hope you develop tinnitus. Man I hate stupid people.
****** Well, I have WDATU (it is my only Mike Bahr CD) and I don't really think it is a good CD soundwise. Maybe I'm an audiophile, but I simply can't understand why people are satisfied with its sound quality. ****** While I've never heard WDATU, I know what you mean. I personally can't stand listening to music that's not studio quality sound. That's why I hate boots..even though I was known as one of the better traders out there...right, YtseJim? :) SO DAMN YOU, DON'T BE TRYING TO GET ME TO TAKE YOUR BOOTLEGS, BECAUSE I DON'T FRICKIN' WANT THEM!!!!!!
Slut
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 23:54:37 -0400 From: "Elv" <cyclone@securenet.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: ANGRA - MTV awards Message-ID: <199707140354.UAA20212@odin.ax.com>
Hey everyone,
Please go vote for ANGRA for the upcoming MTV world music video awards at:
http://www2.uol.com.br/mtv/prog/vmb97a.htm
They'll be running for the Best Brazillian video award.
It takes 2 seconds to vote, just select Angra "Make Believe", which is the first on the list, then scroll down and click "enviar" to send. It would be cool to actually see ANGRA win an award, maybe they'll perform a live song also on TV, now that would be a breakthrough for prog metal.
Vote ANGRA "Make Believe" http://www2.uol.com.br/mtv/prog/vmb97a.htm
Elvis Batur cyclone@securenet.net
Music In Progress http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/4257 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 23:59:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Queensryche's latest dud....NOT! Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970713235827.24098A-100000@umbc8.umbc.edu>
On Sun, 13 Jul 1997, rickbond wrote:
> It irks me when people say "this album sucks", "this album was a dud", > blah blah blah...that's YOUR opinion...you shouldn't generalize. I > personally have loved QR since O:M, and then when I heard their past > albums, I loved them too, and I love "Hear in the now Frontier". Now > I've written this, but I still don't feel any better. I'm not saying > that people can't express their own feelings, because they certainly > can, but this individual made it sound like general knowledge...it > isn't!
"Ytsejam" is the best song in existence.
Dream Theater sucks.
:)
Brandon
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:19:50 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: ANGRA - MTV awards Message-ID: <4A2564D4.00179826.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
Angra have already performed 'Make Believe' live on Brasilian TV, I have it on tape, but I don't know which show it was from, I think it is one of those 'tonight show' type things.
Graham
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 01:09:04 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Parodies, Thought Industry, and AOLers. Message-ID: <199707140710.AAA22627@odin.ax.com>
> Maybe *we* could do something like that too. Any takers ? It is even > cooler when the parodies are on-topic or about things that have been > going on on this list. Who knows, it might take care of some of the > negativity on the Ytsejam. Of course, I'm talking to people who want > recommendations for songs to stay depressed, so what do I know ? ;-)
Good call, Mark. one of my favorite parodies I heard was from eons ago by someone I can't even remember . Anyway, the parody was for Surrounded and was called Puh'pounded. I've printed myself a copy but it inevitably got lost. Anyone got this hummer cached around anywhere? I'd love to see it again.
Mebbe we oughtta try these, I've seen only about 2 different DT ones. Mebbe focus on one of the misunderstood lyrics like, "Death is the fist dancing turtle" or something. I might just be fun.
>WWWOOOOOOO! Somebody else who likes TI! :)
I bought it, I hated it, I listened again, I loved it, I sent it to Rip. Cool stuff though. Kinda like Primus on crack. Well, alot MORE crack anyway.
> Due to a small fuck up on my part (well, AOL's fault), I kinda >unsubbed just about everyone from AOL this morning (oops!)
And this is supposed to be a bad thing? :)
Later! KorgX3 KorgX3@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 02:33:25 -0500 From: ERIK STEARNS <stearns@realtime.net> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Advice needed badly. Message-ID: <33C9D645.5FB1@realtime.net>
As you know, I'm trying to get my web site up. I hired this one guy named John Draper to to put my web site togeter, make some changes to the logo, host, etc. well, I paid him for 3 hours in advance thus $150. So he made changes to the logo and such and then I had people beta test the of course and they came back with changes that needed to be made. Now, before the site was developed the first time and I was allowed to view it and beta test it, I got a bill from him that stated that he did an additional nine hors of work and it came out to be $270. Well before I was going to pay for it, I wanted it presentable, up to specs, something that didn't look like an amature had done it. I wanted it presentable to the business world online.
So anyway, without being long and drawn out, he has been asking and now harassing me about this payment, giving me guilt trips that I am the only customer, that his busines depends on it, that hes getting disconnected, etc. But the thing is, the changes that my beta testers sent to me and the suggestions I made as far as error corrections and so on, weren't executed. Only partially. And even then, the site still looked bad due to gramatical errors, formatting problems, bad links or non existant links, etc.
Now as a business man myself who cares very much about my customers, I make every effort to get the job done right according to the customers specifications without delay, right the first time, and efficiantly. If the tak I'm not contracted to do is not done in that manner, the customer doesn't have to pay unless they are satisfied.
So to this deate, he has not been paid the requested amount. My wife, who helps in handling the administarative aspects of the business has told him that we are not satisfied and we want the job done right. I've been enven been advised to look for a new web master and a new web hosting company that doesn't do this to other customers.
On one hand, I feel bad that he's going through this and that maybe I ought to pay him. But on the other hand, I think that he is the one who set himself up for the fall. He did not do good honest fulfilling business and he didn't plan ahaed. Also because he didnt do the job right, he didn't do the job right and over priced it, I wonder if I should say the heck with him.
I don't know. What do you think?
Erik Stearns. -- An Open mind is the thriving of a society while the closed mind is the downfall of the same. For in Saroks's words, "The spear in the others's heart is the spear in your own. You are he."
-- From the "Freedom" Speech to Larion's Congress
Erik Stearns StarBlazer Enterprises Inc. (512)719-1252 Fax: (512)719-1066 mailto:stearns@bga.com mailto:stearns@realtime.net http://www.starblazer.com
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