YTSEJAM Digest 2610
Today's Topics:
1) deadbeat traders
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
2) RE: YTSEJAM digest 2609
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
3) Start a Petition ??
by Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2609
by Daniel Vasconcelos Gomes <danielvg@sel.eesc.sc.usp.br>
5) Eternity X -- cool band...
by Steve Chew <schew@tis.com>
6) Flotsam and Jetsam / Megadeth
by "Robin L. Campbell" <campbell@str.com>
7) Alanis
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
8) Re: Home Sweet Home
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
9) Re: Prog
by WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>
10) Shooting Star
by Timothy Templeton <ttempleton@worldnet.att.net>
11) Re: Megadeth
by evic@goodnet.com (Evicerator)
12) off: Al Stewart (No DTC)
by Cliff and Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@micron.net>
13) Getting used to changing tires in the back :)
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
14) A quickie during lunch...
by Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 10:08:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: deadbeat traders
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970604100139.20821E-100000@bdmserver>
Carlo wrote:
>So chalk up another two deadbeats who don't have the brainpower to press
>"Play" and "Record" at the same time and come back two hours later. Its
>flakes like this that screws it up for everyone else.
Yep, that is what amazes me... What amazes me even more is that there are
people that come to these deadbeat's defense with bs like "They are busy
people" or "They are involved in many trades". Just lame excuses for lame
people.
Hopefully your two deadbeats won't hang around the jam acting like they
are Mr. Cool unlike Al B.
Best words of advice:If you don't want to get screwed don't trade with
anyone.
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 10:23:07 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 2609
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-970604142307Z-5222@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
>Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 23:42:34 -0400 (EDT)
>From: lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: Home Sweet Home
>Message-ID: <199706040342.XAA23115@umbc8.umbc.edu>
>
>I have the Home Sweet Home boot and it's great!! It's from October
>1992. It's from the very begining of the I&W's tour. James
>sounds AMAZING on this one. He's doing all sorts of extra high
>notes and stuff like that. Sounds quality is pretty decent too.
>Not a soundboard.
>
>Set list :
>Under a Glass Moon
>OAMOT
>Surrounded
>Status Seeker (mislabeled - it's actually PMU)
>Ytsejam
>guitar solo (moon bubbbles?)
>Another Day
>Killing Hand
>
>"Bear this honor in my NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME" sounds as clear
>as a bell. Plenty of vibrato and no raspiness at all. Wow!
I have this one, too. I like the part in 'Surrounded' where James lets
the guy in the audience sing, and he messes it up. At least I think
that's on HSH.
BTW, Jason, do you know any good places in Baltimore to get this sort of
thing? I live in No. VA, but I get up that way sometimes...
>
part II
>
>"I'd do it for my life.
>Made my drive shaft crank
>Made my pistons bulge
>Made my ballbearings melt from the heat."
>
>If you know where these lyrics came from, you're either a great Megadeth
>fan, or you've heard one too many of the ol' Jaymz, Dave, Ron, and Lars
>demos ;)~
>..like me ;)~
Humorously enough, I used to play this - the original, not "The Four
Horsemen". People would recognize the riff and then look at us like we
were nuts...
>
>
>part III
>>Subject: Shooting Star
>>Message-ID: <970530150623_-1932472279@emout10.mail.aol.com>
>
>>Does anybody remember this band?
>
>Yes!! I was going to comment about them when somebody mentioned them on
>the 'jam a couple months back. They had a song that was called Last Chance
>and it was phenomenal (especially since the time that it was recorded was
>very early 80's). Unfortunately I don't know much about them, can somebody
>fill us in?
>
>-BABS
>
I actually know quite a bit about this band. You can get "Last Chance"
and four truly great songs from their second album (called "Hang On For
Your Life Tonight") on "Touch Me Tonight: The Best of Shooting Star" on
Enigma. Dream Disc also had the first two on disc at one point, but I
don't know if they can still get it.
For those that haven't heard the band, it's good stuff - sort of a
Kansas feel (the violin helps that), but they're not quite as complex.
"Last Chance" is a truly great song, and "Flesh and Blood" is one of the
most emotional ballads I've ever heard. Their third album, "Three
Wishes", wasn't as good IMO, and they pretty much vanished until the
released "Touch Me Tonight" back in '89 or '90, I think. The new stuff
is more straight ahead pop.
Part IV
>Subject: home sweet home
>Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970604093903.20821C-100000@bdmserver>
>
>From: GnRBrks@aol.com
>
>>Anyone ever hear of a Dt import or live cd called "Home Sweet Home?"
>>I had a local importer get me anything he could get his hands on and this is
>>what he came up with. Just wondering if anyone had heard of it or not.I
>>don't remember anyone talking about it before.
>
>I have it. It is a single cd of decent quality. don't be fooled by the
>Status Seeker track listing. That track is really Pull Me Under. It does
>have a great version of Only A Matter Of Time.
>
It's funny, this was the first DT boot I ever got (after seeing them
four times on the Images tour), and I like it. it's kind of raw, but as
Jason said above, it's not a soundboard, either. James does sound great
on this one, but I wish it _did_ have Status Seeker on it. In fact, now
that I think about it, this show was recorded like a week before the
first time I saw them. Wierd, I don't know what made me remember that...
I think it's worth 20 -25 bucks, but I wouldn't go over that.
TTFN
Mike
Division - DC power/prog metal is alive and well, and totally pumped
about our August show...
http://www.crosslink.net/~division human email division@aol.com
Or to get Mike eaeolian@crosslink.net
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 10:41:15 -0400
From: Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Start a Petition ??
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=bostech%l=CARRIER-970604144115Z-28815@carrier.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
> - why not release live videos for each tour concluded? I mean,
>something like Metallica has done with "Live Shit: Binge & Purge". That
>would really kick ass and drop the number of fans hungry for new material
>(although DT has been having a lot of trouble with their label, but this
>doesn't mean my idea is uninteresting; only a bit unpractical, maybe
>(I'm not really certain that it is that unpractical));
Well, buried in one of my posts off long lost past was some information
on this subject. Whilst in the NL recently (hehehehe), I was able to
speak with Mr. Neil of fanclub fame about a variety of things. One was
that the band (I believe MP in particular) was pondering the idea of
providing goodies like live concert excerpts to members of the fan club
sort of like Fish does.
Specifically, Fish puts out a double live CD after most tours. This is
not quite "official release" quality but it sounds great as it is taken
directly from the sound board via DAT (Itchy, correct me if I am wrong).
If there is a missed note or two, so what. You get the essence of a
real live performance.
This would do a number of things. First and foremost, it would be
GREAT, of course. Secondly, it would boost fanclub membership. And
lastly, it would put a _slight_ damper on bootlegging. A win-win
situation in my book.
I think that this is something that the jam could actually have some
influence on. Anyone else have ideas ??
Later,
Mark Metzger
mmetzger@bostech.com
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:14:12 -0300 (EST)
From: Daniel Vasconcelos Gomes <danielvg@sel.eesc.sc.usp.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2609
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970604120336.2798A-100000@POCAHONTAS>
Hey again
> Then again, I think Bad Religion and Black Flag are great, so I certainly
> don't count myself among those people who works well within the progressive
> orthodoxy, such as it is. And Ms. Morrissette is another stop on one
> musical continuum or another that appeals strongly to me.
My opinion is : you can like any kind of music. Since you respect my musical
taste (I must say is prog/metal) i will respect your taste.
But I have not seen this "punk artists" saying good things about
progressive music. As far as they don't give the real value to prog music,
i can't give them my respect.
<I don't give a flying fuck about "prog", I listen to what I think sounds
good.
Just *try* to tell me that GNR, Allman Brothers, or Sabbath (three of my
favorite bands) are prog. >
Ok. But why do you like DT?Or do you think they are not progressive?
I have read a lot of people calling DT of Heavy Metal. They are. Half.
The other part is progressive. Together they form (IMO) the most cool and
interesting kind of music: Progressive Metal.
Just my opinion dudes.
Daniel V.Gomes
(Aragorn)
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 11:26:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steve Chew <schew@tis.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Eternity X -- cool band...
Message-ID: <199706041526.LAA22827@clipper.hq.tis.com>
I just got a sampler from a band called Eternity X -- you can
get a free sampler tape from their web page (http://www.eternity-x.com).
It's quite impressive. I think that a lot of DT fans, especially those
who like prog-metal, will enjoy Eternity X. Their music is not as
complex as DT's, but it has good dynamics and some cool rhythms. The
vocals are also quite good. The guitar is dominant, but they make very
good use of their keyboards and the drummer keeps things interesting.
Someone mentioned that they thought the band was more metal
than prog and I'd probably agree that the samples from their earlier
albums were mostly influenced by metal. But, their most recent two
albums I would definitely consider prog-metal. The sampler only has
excerpts from the songs, but even so the longer samples had good
variety and changes within the songs. They also have some good
melodies, which is sometimes lacking in prog-metal.
Anyway, give the sampler a shot, or just try their newest CD
"The Edge". I was impressed enough that I'm buying that one.
Steve
P.S. Their web page: http://www.eternity-x.com
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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 10:40:52 -0500
From: "Robin L. Campbell" <campbell@str.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Flotsam and Jetsam / Megadeth
Message-ID: <199706041531.IAA27960@odin.ax.com>
Hey Boys and Girls,
I heard someone ask about the new F&J disc in the last jam, and I
was wondering if it supposed to be out yet, and if not, what is the
scheduled release date? Also, anyone know the official date for the new
Megadeth? Gotta put that on my calendar eh! BTW, for the guy who asked about
F&J, my pal who works at a radio station says the new F&J totally rules if
you liked the last few discs, expecially DRIFT. woohoo I can't wait to get
it!!!!!
Thanks for the info,
da robsta
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 97 11:34:54 EDT
From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Alanis
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+ojMZnA@tcx.tcco.com>
The fact that you guys either like or HATE her so much means she's doing
something right. Like they say, "As long as your name is spelled right, any
press is good press".
As far as her not being talented, thats a crock of bull. It takes balls to
put out an album and perform in front of an audience. If it was that easy to
make it, most of you would be doing it too.
BTW: Go Redwings!!! WE WANT HEXTALL!!!
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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 11:49:37 -0400
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Home Sweet Home
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970604114937.009caeb0@pophost.fore.com>
I have the Home Sweet Home boot, and I'm looking to dish it off. First $22
gets it ($20 for the disc, $2 for postage). Email me to reserve it.
KAI
>I have the Home Sweet Home boot and it's great!! It's from October
>1992. It's from the very begining of the I&W's tour. James
>sounds AMAZING on this one. He's doing all sorts of extra high
>notes and stuff like that. Sounds quality is pretty decent too.
>Not a soundboard.
>
>Set list :
>Under a Glass Moon
>OAMOT
>Surrounded
>Status Seeker (mislabeled - it's actually PMU)
>Ytsejam
>guitar solo (moon bubbbles?)
>Another Day
>Killing Hand
>
>"Bear this honor in my NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME" sounds as clear
>as a bell. Plenty of vibrato and no raspiness at all. Wow!
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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 11:11:24 -0600
From: WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Prog
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970604111124.00695f98@autobahn.mb.ca>
>> Then again, I think Bad Religion and Black Flag are great, so I certainly
>> don't count myself among those people who works well within the progressive
>> orthodoxy, such as it is. And Ms. Morrissette is another stop on one
>> musical continuum or another that appeals strongly to me.
>
>I don't give a flying fuck about "prog", I listen to what I think sounds
good.
>Just *try* to tell me that GNR, Allman Brothers, or Sabbath (three of my
>favorite bands) are prog. I think she sucks a big fat cock. Half the time
she
>just whines and shrieks, and when she tries to *gasp* actually carry a
tune, she
>demonstrates her *complete* lack of any sense of melody. I'd rather listen
to
>racoons going at it under the porch.
>
>-Brian
>
Heehee...well said. Anywho...I won't be the one to tell you any of those
bands are prog,
because they're not and never have been. But what defines a band as being
progressive, anyways?
In my opinion, if a band meets 3 criteria, they can safely be considered
progressive. The 3 critera are:
1> Do they play extensively in odd-meter? Sometimes within the same song?
2> Do they have a bottomless pit of excellent songs that are reallllllly
long?
3> Do they have a strange, or fantasy-related name?
A band who plays in only 4/4, 2/4, or anything over a 4 beat, they can't be
prog. A band like DT, who plays in meter over 4, 8, 12 and 16...now that's
prog. Example: the last phrase of the UAGM solo is 22/16. And the whole
instrumental section following the solo is in 7/8.
So, who really fits and who doesn't? Well, let's start with who does, and
some songs as examples.
DT <Almost anything>, Fate's Warning <The Ivory Gate Of Dreams>, Genesis,
Queensryche, Yes, etc.
Who doesn't is a bad choice of words. How about borderline prog, and why?
Well, only one comes
to mind. My favorite band next to DT:
Savatage-Definitely fit into categories 2 & 3, but don't really use
odd-meter alot.
This may be open to interpretation. Feel free to point out more, or e-mail
omissions to me.
Laterness...
===========================================================
Madness reigns in the Hall of the Mountain King
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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 09:22:22 -0700
From: Timothy Templeton <ttempleton@worldnet.att.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Shooting Star
Message-ID: <3395963E.5E57@worldnet.att.net>
> >Subject: Shooting Star
> >Message-ID: <970530150623_-1932472279@emout10.mail.aol.com>
>
> >Does anybody remember this band?
>
> Yes!! I was going to comment about them when somebody mentioned them on
> the 'jam a couple months back. They had a song that was called Last Chance
> and it was phenomenal (especially since the time that it was recorded was
> very early 80's). Unfortunately I don't know much about them, can somebody
> fill us in?
>
> -BABS
>
You're right, these guys are great. They will be playing a concert with
REO Speedwagon & another group in Kansas City soon. The date has already
been announced, but I live in Seattle now & I don't think they will be
up this way (I don't think it is a tour for Shooting Star). They are
from the KC area. When I was in HS, one of my friends was dating a girl
who would babysit for Verlin. A few years ago, they had a farewell
concert, I think it was during the Christmas break. I know that they had
sold quite a bit of their sound gear (nothing new for a band to do that,
though). Lots of their songs like Hollywood, Hang On For Your Life,
still get alot of airplay in KC. If you can find it, get their greatest
hits album / CD. If you like Last Chance, you'll like the rest of them.
Tim Templeton
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 09:35:38 -0700 (MST)
From: evic@goodnet.com (Evicerator)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Megadeth
Message-ID: <199706041635.JAA10382@mail2.goodnet.com>
"Cryptic Writings" will be available in the US on June 17. It was released
in Japan on May 30th with an bonus track, "One Thing." Hope to see some of
you jammers at the shows here in Phoenix in the next couple weeks!
>Hey Boys and Girls,
> I heard someone ask about the new F&J disc in the last jam, and I
>was wondering if it supposed to be out yet, and if not, what is the
>scheduled release date? Also, anyone know the official date for the new
>Megadeth? Gotta put that on my calendar eh! BTW, for the guy who asked about
>F&J, my pal who works at a radio station says the new F&J totally rules if
>you liked the last few discs, expecially DRIFT. woohoo I can't wait to get
>it!!!!!
>Thanks for the info,
>da robsta
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 11:01:32 -0600
From: Cliff and Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@micron.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: off: Al Stewart (No DTC)
Message-ID: <33959F6C.772D@micron.net>
Hi!
Lurker Pam here!! Just curious if any of you can help me locate a CD
titled : "Last Days of the Century" By Al Stewart. I can't find it or
order it-I'm told it's out of print:( My friend needs it to round out
his collection!!
Thanx in advance:)
Pam
--
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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 17:03:52 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Getting used to changing tires in the back :)
Message-ID: <33959FF8.28CC@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> From: Jim Munster
> BTW, I was about 5 feet from J. LaBrie and I was talking to a girl who had
> backstage pix of all the guys-supposedly she was backstage alot...ahem.....
Perhaps she had been working for Zappa, found out MP digs him and
decided to keep her streak going... :)
> From: Andreas Berger
> Oh yeah, I also read in Metal Hammer that the working title for the new album
> was NOT Lines in the Sand, but Mike didn't want to say what it actually was.
Good for him! I mean, aren't there _any_ surprises left in the world? :)
Regards,
Jon
*------------*------------------------*--------------*
| Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
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Practice random senselessness and act kind of beautiful.
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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 13:15:32 -0400
From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A quickie during lunch...
Message-ID: <199706041715.AA19473@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello,
Graham, I got a tape of Uncovered from Rogerio Brito with Happiness is
a Warm gun on it. Might want to check with him for a trade. Or if you
don't mind second gen., mail me.
>Yet another who doesn't finish reading posts... I went on to say "I
>don't, but it's just my opinion." I get some compliments, but they
>embarrass me.
I finished reading it. If you recall your post also said I couldn't take
a joke, I guess you can't either. Or did you just ignore the smiley?
On a DT compilation:
>You're obviously not familiar with the mindset of modern label execs.
Actually, in light of the success of Megadeth's Hidden Treasures, I
would think that this is a good idea. But then again, DT isn't on
Capitol...
On the Lie single:
>It was very easy to find when I bought it in '94.
Unfortunately I didn't start looking early enough. I waited until
mid-1995. Nowhere to be seen by then. If someone wants to put one up for
bid, I think it might pay off. I can't even find the Megadeth "Trust"
single anywhere in NJ.
>Elvis Presley is the "king of rock and roll,
Implying that he's not? Ooooh.... treading on sacred ground here.
>GAT (Gangsta Aptitude Tess)
Snicker, snicker...:)
Vince wrote;
>If you know where these lyrics came from, you're either a great
>Megadeth fan,
Ummm... Mechanix? Aka The Four Horsemen. I love it when someone asks a
question I know. Still have to redeem myself after that black/white
debacle... DOH!
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