YTSEJAM Digest 2611
Today's Topics:
1) Red Dwarf
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
2) Lie Single For Trade
by bwrights@dnaent.com (Bill Wrightson)
3) Proto-Industry and the Big Brain
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
4) Alanis
by Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
5) Hmm.
by Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
6) Mystifying the myths in a bowl of Cheerios....
by Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
7) Perfect Strangers
by "Lindqvist Thomas" <tlindqvi@wasa.shh.fi>
8)
by
9) Flotsam And Jetsam
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
10) DT Juke / Rick Derringer
by Dave <buster@ee.net>
11) Re: Magellan/Test Of Wills?
by IdleMinds@aol.com
12)
by
13) Looking for X Factor X
by Your Majesty <metlhead@li.net>
14) JPM III
by "Jim Munster" <freakboy@ptd.net>
15) recommendations...
by Andrew Miller <subtlerage@avalon.net>
16) You want a DT Boot?
by "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com>
17) G3 gig in London
by "SHRED" <lih@sbu.ac.uk>
18) Gentle Giant
by Andrew Miller <subtlerage@avalon.net>
19) Gentle Giant
by Andrew Miller <subtlerage@avalon.net>
20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2606
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 10:45:26 -0700
From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Red Dwarf
Message-ID: <199706041745.KAA14880@main.cfmc.com>
>From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
>
>>(This is me [Adam])
>> Then again, I think Bad Religion and Black Flag are great, so I certainly
>> don't count myself among those people who works well within the progressive
>> orthodoxy, such as it is. And Ms. Morrissette is another stop on one
>> musical continuum or another that appeals strongly to me.
>
>I don't give a flying fuck about "prog", I listen to what I think sounds good.
>Just *try* to tell me that GNR, Allman Brothers, or Sabbath (three of my
>favorite bands) are prog. I think she sucks a big fat cock. Half the time she
>just whines and shrieks, and when she tries to *gasp* actually carry a
tune, she
>demonstrates her *complete* lack of any sense of melody. I'd rather listen to
>racoons going at it under the porch.
I, too, care not a fuck (flying or otherwise) about the categorization of a
given musical artist. And I share your appreciation for GNR, the Allman
Brothers, or Sabbath, all of which I would consider more along the lines of
a straight-ahead rock (though GNR's dabbled with some extended arrangements,
the Allman Brothers sometimes use jazzier arrangements, and Sabbath has, on
occasion, written music of some complexity).
The "whines and shrieks" part of your commentary I can understand -- part of
her appeal is a unique style of delivery that certainly DOESN'T have
universal appeal. And I can understand where that would be a turn off,
though I tend to like her vocal style. Geddy Lee, of course, suffers from
the same set of criticisms (witness the latest Pavement record), which
hasn't prevented Rush from becoming my favorite band. I DO think she has a
pretty good sense of melody, though, in that I can hum most of the melodies
off of her latest off the top of my head, though I don't listen to the
record a lot. It's not exactly Watchtower or Malevolent Creation we're
talking about here.
And we've not yet gone through a feedback loop here where you haven't
criticized her in a sexual manner. Not a condemnation of the banality of
sexual lyric content or some kind of geniune offense to the content in
another sense, but an ad hominem kind of attack: "sucks a big fat cock" or
"the no-talent whore." Racoons fucking is one thing, but that kind of
diction in criticizing her makes me think there are some other issues going
on here...that is, again, that you don't much care for sexually assertive
women, at least in your art.
Five Gratutitous CD's:
======================
1. Rush: Fly By Night
2. King Crimson: Discipline
3. Stanley Clarke: School Days
4. Yes: Fragile
5. Circus of Power: Magic and Madness
Adam D. Barnhart
adamb@cfmc.com
ydnt85a@prodigy.com
http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:29:46 -0500
From: bwrights@dnaent.com (Bill Wrightson)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Lie Single For Trade
Message-ID: <199706041729.MAA09481@lotus.dnaent.com>
I have a copy of the Lie single that I will trade for the CD boot Lost in
The Sky. I will also consider any other generous offers.
If anyone knows of a source from which I can get this CD I would greatly
appreciate it !!!!
Thanks,
Bill Wrightson
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 11:22:07 -0700
From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Proto-Industry and the Big Brain
Message-ID: <199706041822.LAA17590@main.cfmc.com>
>From: Daniel Vasconcelos Gomes <danielvg@sel.eesc.sc.usp.br>
>
>> Then again, I think Bad Religion and Black Flag are great, so I certainly
>> don't count myself among those people who works well within the progressive
>> orthodoxy, such as it is. And Ms. Morrissette is another stop on one
>> musical continuum or another that appeals strongly to me.
>
>My opinion is : you can like any kind of music. Since you respect my musical
>taste (I must say is prog/metal) i will respect your taste.
>But I have not seen this "punk artists" saying good things about
>progressive music. As far as they don't give the real value to prog music,
>i can't give them my respect.
Yeah, punk music is really a reaction AGAINST a lot of bands that I think
folks here would hold near and dear -- ELP, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Yes,
Genesis, Rush, Aerosmith. And, if you were putting a list together of my
favorite bands, the seven I've got listen there are probably all among my 50
favorites or so (actually, if I yanked Aerosmith, they'd all my among my 20
favorite or so). But that isn't to say that there haven't been punk bands
that haven't made a musical contribution -- the two I listed above, Minor
Threat, Fear, X, Dag Nasty, a whole lot of others. Where my musical head is
at is really where everything runs into itself. A lot of newer bands --
Primus and Faith No More stand out -- are really looking at a variety of
musical forms in establishing their own musical legacy. I've been calling
that form of music "post-progressive," because it really builds on the
legacy of bands -- Yes, Rush, Gong -- that were "progressive," in part,
because they navigated several different musical styles. Bands that include
the antithesis of progresivity may not be best called "progressive," but
they've certainly picked up part of that ethos. Which, after all, keeps our
musical culture fresh.
Five Gratuitous CD's:
=====================
1. Rush: Fly By Night
2. Yes: Fragile
3. Stanley Clarke: School Days
4. Shankar: Nobody Told Me
5. Yellowjackets: Dreamland
Adam D. Barnhart
adamb@cfmc.com
ydnt85a@prodigy.com
http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 14:04:15 -0400
From: Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Alanis
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970604140409.008156b0@ionsys.com>
>just whines and shrieks, and when she tries to *gasp* actually carry a
>tune, she emonstrates her *complete* lack of any sense of melody. I'd
>rather listen
That's funny. Her songs certainly are a hell of a lot more catchy than
Dream Theater's, so obviously she has a better sense of melody than James,
right? One thing that's for certain is that she has a HELL of a lot better
sense of melody than, say, Ray Alder of Fates Warning.
Personally I don't like her music any more than you do. But to call her
talentless or stupid is very ignorant of you. Considering a lot people on
this list listen to bands like GNR, Megadeth, and other metal, where the
vocals are closer to shouting, growling, or whatever, what do you have to
say about THOSE bands?
BTW, several people I've played DT for have told me that James "whines and
shreiks" and "sounds like a chick". But I guess they just don't know shit,
and the only people qualified to judge music are DT fans.
Lars "I'm an American, and Americans rule at basketball, so I'm better than
you" Hellsten
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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 14:07:56 -0400
From: Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Hmm.
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970604140753.007a0d50@ionsys.com>
>Just *try* to tell me that GNR, Allman Brothers, or Sabbath (three of my
>favorite bands) are prog. I think she sucks a big fat cock. Half the time
>she just whines and shrieks, and when she tries to *gasp* actually carry a
GNR, Allman Brothers, and Sabbath are prog. There.
BTW, I'm glad you're able to express your opinion so eloquently and
maturely. I'm sure the average Alanis fan would never be capable of that.
BTW, Axl Rose NEVER whines or shrieks, and you suck big fat cock!
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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 14:01:18 +0000
From: Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mystifying the myths in a bowl of Cheerios....
Message-ID: <3395752E.642A@sprynet.com>
hey there...
Just wanted to say that yes, the new Flotsam & Jetsam "High" is out.
It's pretty heavy. It reminds me more of "No Place for Disgrace" rather
than the "Cuatro" and "Drift" (all of which I like). Overall it's very
good, although I do prefer the latest two to it.
I've gotten all sorts of new stuff these past two weeks but i don't have
time to elaborate today. Soon though.
Later.
Phillip
Cool CD of the Day: Flotsam & Jetsam "High"
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 11:02:34 EET
From: "Lindqvist Thomas" <tlindqvi@wasa.shh.fi>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Perfect Strangers
Message-ID: <1216FFA48E9@pommern.wasa.shh.fi>
A great summer to all of you DT freaks out there!
I myself was bought and sold the first time I heard "I&W" some five
years ago. "Metropolis" is still THE song. But that you already know,
so why state the obvious?
I'm doing something as funny as a cover of a cover at the moment,
namely "Perfect Strangers". Although I quite like Purple's original
version, I've been trying to find a guitar sound close to that
Petrucci uses on DT's cover. So far no luck. Anyone having a clue on
how to get that sound, please mail me at
thomas.lindqvist@wasa.shh.fi. As to the old debate on all-Americans
on this site, I'm a native Finn... One more thing: Does anyone have
knowledge of transcriptions of "The Killing Hand"? For all I know
there's no notebook for the WDADU record.
Feel free to write me at the above address if you can help me out or
just want to discuss Dream Theater in general. Thanks.
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That's GO Red Wings!! WE WANT PARENT!!! (that's their third string
goalie. :))
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *------------*------------------------*--------------*
> | Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
> *------------*------------------------*--------------*
>
> Practice random senselessness and act kind of beautiful.
LOL!!! This is the best new sig I've seen in weeks!!!
> ------------------------------
Saw the new Faith No More video on M2V. THey played it on MTV
while they was having their M2 promo. Cool song. I liked the keyboards
on it, I think I'm going to have to buy it when I see it.
-jeremy
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# Astronomy # I kill for money... no, that didn't #
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 97 15:40 EDT
From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Flotsam And Jetsam
Message-ID: <m0wZLvM-0000H8C@xcalibur.iinc.com>
Just got the new Flotsam And Jetsam CD "High" in the mail which came out
yesterday in the states. My overall reaction is utter disappointment. I hope
I don't get jumped all over for this but High sounds like old Metallica and
I hate it. I have never been a fan of Metallica and never will so this
release brought nothing to me. On Drift and Cuatro and even When The Storm
Comes Down, the band could be called Flotsam And Jetsam, now they just sound
like an old Metallica clone. Gone is the anger-filled riffs and lyrics of
Drift and Cuatro and in comes standard thrash riffs with standard thrash
lyrics. Yes, there are one or two good songs like High Noon but overall this
CD bites. What they did is try to relive Doomsday For The Deceiver (which
was 100% better than this album) and it simply can't be done in the same
way. To all people who like the old Metallica, you will no doubt love this
album but for me, I guess I'll wait and see what the next release from them
sounds like. And to think, I've been anticipating this album..ah, well, now
its time to anticipate the new releases from Savatage (who have never- knock
on wood- disappointed me) and Dream Theater.
Don Compton
>>>>>>>AUTHORIZATION DENIED- PLEASE FOLLOW THE STEP BY STEP INSTRUCTIONS TO
ACCESS YOUR COMPUTER AGAIN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
1) Beat the living hell out of it
2) Press all the buttons at once
3) See how many pieces of glass you can make out of your computer screen
4) Take all the remaining wires and mangle them to death
5) Light the thing on fire with the remains of the cigarette you are no
doubt smoking at the time.
:::::::Don Compton:::::::::
mcauburn@iinc.com
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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 16:39:14 -0400
From: Dave <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT Juke / Rick Derringer
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970604163914.0068db18@ee.net>
A friend of mine is a bartender, and I got her to put
Images & Words on the jukebox at the bar...now I owe
her a favor:
I am looking for a CD for her: Rick Deringer "All Amercian Boys"
If you have this or know where to get it, please email me ASAP
cuz I'd like to buy it. email: buster@ee.net
Any Jammers in Columbus Ohio that want to party at a bar
that has Dream Theater on the Jukebox, go to DiMarcos on
Godown Road just off of Bethel road. They also have QR, Rush,
and other good stuff on the juke...darts/pool and KILLER wings!
Jammers Everywhere: If you can afford it, donate a copy of
your favorite DT CD to a local bar for the jukebox...it's
great exposure for the band...when you play the CD people will
come up to you and say "Hey, who's this?!!" and the rest is history :)
More fans, more demand, more new recordings cuz EastWest will dig the cash!
buster
http://users1.ee.net/buster
http://www.dhpc.com/ryche/
THANKS!
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 18:25:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: IdleMinds@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Magellan/Test Of Wills?
Message-ID: <970604182356_188868522@emout19.mail.aol.com>
>>Does Magellan tour, or play live? Being a (basically) two member band, how
>>do they pull this off? Ala' Genesis live (extra musicians), sequencers or
>>back-up tapes? I would love to hear them in a live setting.
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Rob
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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 17:55:41 -0500
From: Your Majesty <metlhead@li.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Looking for X Factor X
Message-ID: <3395F26D.151A@li.net>
Just wondering if anyone has heard of the band 'X Factor X'.
I can't find their album or any info on them anywhere.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Send me private e-mail.
Thanks!
YtseJim
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 18:38:57 -0400
From: "Jim Munster" <freakboy@ptd.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: JPM III
Message-ID: <199706042243.PAA03533@odin.ax.com>
JPMIII-Has anyone seen one in the flesh yet??
E.v.H. "Wolfgang"-Same question....
how do they play, how are thos pick-ups(Nortons)
help..I still use those sucky Powersound Ibanez.
Freakboy
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 18:43:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: Andrew Miller <subtlerage@avalon.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: recommendations...
Message-ID: <199706042343.SAA21973@arthur.avalon.net>
i'm curious if anyone has heard any of the following bands and could give me
an idea of what they sound like...
Maneige
Yezda Urfa
Pangaea
i was browsing through the syn-phonic catalog and the descriptions for them
look promising, but i'd like to hear a second opinion(s).
thanks
-Andrew
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 20:28:20 -0400
From: "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: You want a DT Boot?
Message-ID: <199706050028.UAA07973@brickbat8.mindspring.com>
hey kids.
i've got the following dt boots up for grabs:
Dance Of Eternity (not -the dance of eternity-)
Dream Out Loud
you want it? e-mail me. highest bidder gets it, and it starts at $25.
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e-mail: syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com
erotomania! = http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx
offical lemur voice hompage:
http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur.htm
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 02:32:37 +0000
From: "SHRED" <lih@sbu.ac.uk>
To: <bct103@erols.com>, <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: G3 gig in London
Message-ID: <199706050134.CAA11863@CSDAlpha2.sbu.ac.uk>
Hi people,
In case you guys might be interested, here is the set list(approx)
of the 1st of the 3 shows in London England down 'The Empire".
1st on-
Support: Adrian Legg (interesting acoustic guitar stuff)
2nd on-
Steve Vai- (I'm not sure about the order of this set because I was so
into it!! But these are the songs he played, included lot of cool
other show stuffs between songs too!)
-There's a fire in the house
-The animal
-The riddle
-Tender surrender
-Bad horsie
-Deepness
-Littel alligator
-I would love to
-Ballerina 12/24
-For the love of god
-The attitude song
3rd on-
Joe Satriani- (he was a bit boring, just stood there and walked
around a little bit)
-Cool #9
-Flying in a blue dream
-The crush of love
-Summer song
-Always with me always with you
-The extremist
-Bass solo (Stu Hamm)
-Satch boogie
-Surfing with the alien
Part 4-
Jamming-
Joe Satraini, Steve Vai and Brain May
In my opinion, Steve Vai blew Satch away in individual performance,
but Brian May blew Satch and Vai off when jamming over Red House by
Jimi Hendrix.
That's all!
Well, I'm going to it again on Thursday and Friday night! : )
Shred, London.
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 21:33:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: Andrew Miller <subtlerage@avalon.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Gentle Giant
Message-ID: <199706050233.VAA02756@arthur.avalon.net>
ok, so i'm browsing the syn-phonic catalog and realize that Gentle Giant is
listed as an influence or a "this band sounds like" for over 1/2 the damn
bands in the catalog.
so i'm thinking perhaps i should check them out. does anyone have any
recommendations on which album to start off with? i'm big on complex
arrangements and funky rhythms, time sigs, etc...
thankya
-Andrew
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 21:34:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: Andrew Miller <subtlerage@avalon.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Gentle Giant
Message-ID: <199706050234.VAA02867@arthur.avalon.net>
ok, so i'm browsing the syn-phonic catalog and realize that Gentle Giant is
listed as an influence or a "this band sounds like" for over 1/2 the damn
bands in the catalog.
so i'm thinking perhaps i should check them out. does anyone have any
recommendations on which album to start off with? i'm big on complex
arrangements and funky rhythms, time sigs, etc...
thankya
-Andrew
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 00:07:59 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2606
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95q.970604131313.28196A-100000@ant116.cce.usp.br>
On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Daniel Vasconcelos Gomes wrote:
> Uncovered show
In fact, I have some video with this name. But everything there is
a *lot* of interviews about the Uncovered show with all band members and
about Awake and only 25 minutes of the show. Oh! How I hate these
misleading advertisements!
And the quality is like *shit*.
[]s, Roger...
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