YTSEJAM digest 2611

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Date: Wed Jun 04 1997 - 23:15:55 EDT

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 2611

    Today's Topics:

      1) Red Dwarf
     by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
      2) Lie Single For Trade
     by bwrights@dnaent.com (Bill Wrightson)
      3) Proto-Industry and the Big Brain
     by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
      4) Alanis
     by Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
      5) Hmm.
     by Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
      6) Mystifying the myths in a bowl of Cheerios....
     by Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
      7) Perfect Strangers
     by "Lindqvist Thomas" <tlindqvi@wasa.shh.fi>
      8)
     by
      9) Flotsam And Jetsam
     by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
     10) DT Juke / Rick Derringer
     by Dave <buster@ee.net>
     11) Re: Magellan/Test Of Wills?
     by IdleMinds@aol.com
     12)
     by
     13) Looking for X Factor X
     by Your Majesty <metlhead@li.net>
     14) JPM III
     by "Jim Munster" <freakboy@ptd.net>
     15) recommendations...
     by Andrew Miller <subtlerage@avalon.net>
     16) You want a DT Boot?
     by "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com>
     17) G3 gig in London
     by "SHRED" <lih@sbu.ac.uk>
     18) Gentle Giant
     by Andrew Miller <subtlerage@avalon.net>
     19) Gentle Giant
     by Andrew Miller <subtlerage@avalon.net>
     20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2606
     by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>

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    Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 10:45:26 -0700
    From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Red Dwarf
    Message-ID: <199706041745.KAA14880@main.cfmc.com>

    >From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
    >
    >>(This is me [Adam])
    >> Then again, I think Bad Religion and Black Flag are great, so I certainly
    >> don't count myself among those people who works well within the progressive
    >> orthodoxy, such as it is. And Ms. Morrissette is another stop on one
    >> musical continuum or another that appeals strongly to me.
    >
    >I don't give a flying fuck about "prog", I listen to what I think sounds good.
    >Just *try* to tell me that GNR, Allman Brothers, or Sabbath (three of my
    >favorite bands) are prog. I think she sucks a big fat cock. Half the time she
    >just whines and shrieks, and when she tries to *gasp* actually carry a
    tune, she
    >demonstrates her *complete* lack of any sense of melody. I'd rather listen to
    >racoons going at it under the porch.

    I, too, care not a fuck (flying or otherwise) about the categorization of a
    given musical artist. And I share your appreciation for GNR, the Allman
    Brothers, or Sabbath, all of which I would consider more along the lines of
    a straight-ahead rock (though GNR's dabbled with some extended arrangements,
    the Allman Brothers sometimes use jazzier arrangements, and Sabbath has, on
    occasion, written music of some complexity).

    The "whines and shrieks" part of your commentary I can understand -- part of
    her appeal is a unique style of delivery that certainly DOESN'T have
    universal appeal. And I can understand where that would be a turn off,
    though I tend to like her vocal style. Geddy Lee, of course, suffers from
    the same set of criticisms (witness the latest Pavement record), which
    hasn't prevented Rush from becoming my favorite band. I DO think she has a
    pretty good sense of melody, though, in that I can hum most of the melodies
    off of her latest off the top of my head, though I don't listen to the
    record a lot. It's not exactly Watchtower or Malevolent Creation we're
    talking about here.

    And we've not yet gone through a feedback loop here where you haven't
    criticized her in a sexual manner. Not a condemnation of the banality of
    sexual lyric content or some kind of geniune offense to the content in
    another sense, but an ad hominem kind of attack: "sucks a big fat cock" or
    "the no-talent whore." Racoons fucking is one thing, but that kind of
    diction in criticizing her makes me think there are some other issues going
    on here...that is, again, that you don't much care for sexually assertive
    women, at least in your art.

    Five Gratutitous CD's:
    ======================
    1. Rush: Fly By Night
    2. King Crimson: Discipline
    3. Stanley Clarke: School Days
    4. Yes: Fragile
    5. Circus of Power: Magic and Madness

    Adam D. Barnhart
    adamb@cfmc.com
    ydnt85a@prodigy.com
    http://www.cfmc.com/adamb

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    Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:29:46 -0500
    From: bwrights@dnaent.com (Bill Wrightson)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Lie Single For Trade
    Message-ID: <199706041729.MAA09481@lotus.dnaent.com>

    I have a copy of the Lie single that I will trade for the CD boot Lost in
    The Sky. I will also consider any other generous offers.

    If anyone knows of a source from which I can get this CD I would greatly
    appreciate it !!!!

    Thanks,
    Bill Wrightson

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    Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 11:22:07 -0700
    From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Proto-Industry and the Big Brain
    Message-ID: <199706041822.LAA17590@main.cfmc.com>

    >From: Daniel Vasconcelos Gomes <danielvg@sel.eesc.sc.usp.br>
    >
    >> Then again, I think Bad Religion and Black Flag are great, so I certainly
    >> don't count myself among those people who works well within the progressive
    >> orthodoxy, such as it is. And Ms. Morrissette is another stop on one
    >> musical continuum or another that appeals strongly to me.
    >
    >My opinion is : you can like any kind of music. Since you respect my musical
    >taste (I must say is prog/metal) i will respect your taste.
    >But I have not seen this "punk artists" saying good things about
    >progressive music. As far as they don't give the real value to prog music,
    >i can't give them my respect.

    Yeah, punk music is really a reaction AGAINST a lot of bands that I think
    folks here would hold near and dear -- ELP, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Yes,
    Genesis, Rush, Aerosmith. And, if you were putting a list together of my
    favorite bands, the seven I've got listen there are probably all among my 50
    favorites or so (actually, if I yanked Aerosmith, they'd all my among my 20
    favorite or so). But that isn't to say that there haven't been punk bands
    that haven't made a musical contribution -- the two I listed above, Minor
    Threat, Fear, X, Dag Nasty, a whole lot of others. Where my musical head is
    at is really where everything runs into itself. A lot of newer bands --
    Primus and Faith No More stand out -- are really looking at a variety of
    musical forms in establishing their own musical legacy. I've been calling
    that form of music "post-progressive," because it really builds on the
    legacy of bands -- Yes, Rush, Gong -- that were "progressive," in part,
    because they navigated several different musical styles. Bands that include
    the antithesis of progresivity may not be best called "progressive," but
    they've certainly picked up part of that ethos. Which, after all, keeps our
    musical culture fresh.

    Five Gratuitous CD's:
    =====================
    1. Rush: Fly By Night
    2. Yes: Fragile
    3. Stanley Clarke: School Days
    4. Shankar: Nobody Told Me
    5. Yellowjackets: Dreamland

    Adam D. Barnhart
    adamb@cfmc.com
    ydnt85a@prodigy.com
    http://www.cfmc.com/adamb

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    Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 14:04:15 -0400
    From: Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Alanis
    Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970604140409.008156b0@ionsys.com>

    >just whines and shrieks, and when she tries to *gasp* actually carry a
    >tune, she emonstrates her *complete* lack of any sense of melody. I'd
    >rather listen

    That's funny. Her songs certainly are a hell of a lot more catchy than
    Dream Theater's, so obviously she has a better sense of melody than James,
    right? One thing that's for certain is that she has a HELL of a lot better
    sense of melody than, say, Ray Alder of Fates Warning.

    Personally I don't like her music any more than you do. But to call her
    talentless or stupid is very ignorant of you. Considering a lot people on
    this list listen to bands like GNR, Megadeth, and other metal, where the
    vocals are closer to shouting, growling, or whatever, what do you have to
    say about THOSE bands?

    BTW, several people I've played DT for have told me that James "whines and
    shreiks" and "sounds like a chick". But I guess they just don't know shit,
    and the only people qualified to judge music are DT fans.

    Lars "I'm an American, and Americans rule at basketball, so I'm better than
    you" Hellsten

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    Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 14:07:56 -0400
    From: Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Hmm.
    Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970604140753.007a0d50@ionsys.com>

    >Just *try* to tell me that GNR, Allman Brothers, or Sabbath (three of my
    >favorite bands) are prog. I think she sucks a big fat cock. Half the time
    >she just whines and shrieks, and when she tries to *gasp* actually carry a

    GNR, Allman Brothers, and Sabbath are prog. There.

    BTW, I'm glad you're able to express your opinion so eloquently and
    maturely. I'm sure the average Alanis fan would never be capable of that.
    BTW, Axl Rose NEVER whines or shrieks, and you suck big fat cock!

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    Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 14:01:18 +0000
    From: Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Mystifying the myths in a bowl of Cheerios....
    Message-ID: <3395752E.642A@sprynet.com>

    hey there...

    Just wanted to say that yes, the new Flotsam & Jetsam "High" is out.
    It's pretty heavy. It reminds me more of "No Place for Disgrace" rather
    than the "Cuatro" and "Drift" (all of which I like). Overall it's very
    good, although I do prefer the latest two to it.

    I've gotten all sorts of new stuff these past two weeks but i don't have
    time to elaborate today. Soon though.

    Later.

    Phillip
    Cool CD of the Day: Flotsam & Jetsam "High"

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    Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 11:02:34 EET
    From: "Lindqvist Thomas" <tlindqvi@wasa.shh.fi>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Perfect Strangers
    Message-ID: <1216FFA48E9@pommern.wasa.shh.fi>

    A great summer to all of you DT freaks out there!

    I myself was bought and sold the first time I heard "I&W" some five
    years ago. "Metropolis" is still THE song. But that you already know,
    so why state the obvious?
    I'm doing something as funny as a cover of a cover at the moment,
    namely "Perfect Strangers". Although I quite like Purple's original
    version, I've been trying to find a guitar sound close to that
    Petrucci uses on DT's cover. So far no luck. Anyone having a clue on
    how to get that sound, please mail me at
    thomas.lindqvist@wasa.shh.fi. As to the old debate on all-Americans
    on this site, I'm a native Finn... One more thing: Does anyone have
    knowledge of transcriptions of "The Killing Hand"? For all I know
    there's no notebook for the WDADU record.
    Feel free to write me at the above address if you can help me out or
    just want to discuss Dream Theater in general. Thanks.

    ------------------------------

    That's GO Red Wings!! WE WANT PARENT!!! (that's their third string
    goalie. :))

    >
    > ------------------------------
    >
    > *------------*------------------------*--------------*
    > | Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
    > *------------*------------------------*--------------*
    >
    > Practice random senselessness and act kind of beautiful.

            LOL!!! This is the best new sig I've seen in weeks!!!
    > ------------------------------

            Saw the new Faith No More video on M2V. THey played it on MTV
    while they was having their M2 promo. Cool song. I liked the keyboards
    on it, I think I'm going to have to buy it when I see it.

                                                    -jeremy

    +=====================================================================+
    # grad student, Boston U. # "You're a psychopath!" #
    # Boston, MA 02134 # "No, psychopaths kill for no reason, #
    # Astronomy # I kill for money... no, that didn't #
    #<*> Jeremy Hallum <*># sound right." #
    #<*> jhallum@bu.edu <*># -Grosse Point Blanke #
    #<*>jhallum@dreamt.org <*># http://bu-ast.bu.edu/~jhallum/ #
    +=====================================================================+

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    Date: Wed, 4 Jun 97 15:40 EDT
    From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Flotsam And Jetsam
    Message-ID: <m0wZLvM-0000H8C@xcalibur.iinc.com>

    Just got the new Flotsam And Jetsam CD "High" in the mail which came out
    yesterday in the states. My overall reaction is utter disappointment. I hope
    I don't get jumped all over for this but High sounds like old Metallica and
    I hate it. I have never been a fan of Metallica and never will so this
    release brought nothing to me. On Drift and Cuatro and even When The Storm
    Comes Down, the band could be called Flotsam And Jetsam, now they just sound
    like an old Metallica clone. Gone is the anger-filled riffs and lyrics of
    Drift and Cuatro and in comes standard thrash riffs with standard thrash
    lyrics. Yes, there are one or two good songs like High Noon but overall this
    CD bites. What they did is try to relive Doomsday For The Deceiver (which
    was 100% better than this album) and it simply can't be done in the same
    way. To all people who like the old Metallica, you will no doubt love this
    album but for me, I guess I'll wait and see what the next release from them
    sounds like. And to think, I've been anticipating this album..ah, well, now
    its time to anticipate the new releases from Savatage (who have never- knock
    on wood- disappointed me) and Dream Theater.

    Don Compton
    >>>>>>>AUTHORIZATION DENIED- PLEASE FOLLOW THE STEP BY STEP INSTRUCTIONS TO
    ACCESS YOUR COMPUTER AGAIN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    1) Beat the living hell out of it
    2) Press all the buttons at once
    3) See how many pieces of glass you can make out of your computer screen
    4) Take all the remaining wires and mangle them to death
    5) Light the thing on fire with the remains of the cigarette you are no
    doubt smoking at the time.

    :::::::Don Compton:::::::::
    mcauburn@iinc.com

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    Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 16:39:14 -0400
    From: Dave <buster@ee.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: DT Juke / Rick Derringer
    Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970604163914.0068db18@ee.net>

    A friend of mine is a bartender, and I got her to put
    Images & Words on the jukebox at the bar...now I owe
    her a favor:

    I am looking for a CD for her: Rick Deringer "All Amercian Boys"

    If you have this or know where to get it, please email me ASAP
    cuz I'd like to buy it. email: buster@ee.net

    Any Jammers in Columbus Ohio that want to party at a bar
    that has Dream Theater on the Jukebox, go to DiMarcos on
    Godown Road just off of Bethel road. They also have QR, Rush,
    and other good stuff on the juke...darts/pool and KILLER wings!

    Jammers Everywhere: If you can afford it, donate a copy of
    your favorite DT CD to a local bar for the jukebox...it's
    great exposure for the band...when you play the CD people will
    come up to you and say "Hey, who's this?!!" and the rest is history :)
    More fans, more demand, more new recordings cuz EastWest will dig the cash!

    buster
    http://users1.ee.net/buster
    http://www.dhpc.com/ryche/

    THANKS!

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    Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 18:25:41 -0400 (EDT)
    From: IdleMinds@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Magellan/Test Of Wills?
    Message-ID: <970604182356_188868522@emout19.mail.aol.com>

    >>Does Magellan tour, or play live? Being a (basically) two member band, how
    >>do they pull this off? Ala' Genesis live (extra musicians), sequencers or
    >>back-up tapes? I would love to hear them in a live setting.

    ------------------------------

    Rob

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    Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 17:55:41 -0500
    From: Your Majesty <metlhead@li.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Looking for X Factor X
    Message-ID: <3395F26D.151A@li.net>

    Just wondering if anyone has heard of the band 'X Factor X'.
    I can't find their album or any info on them anywhere.
    Any help would be greatly appreciated. Send me private e-mail.
    Thanks!

    YtseJim

    metlhead@li.net

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    Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 18:38:57 -0400
    From: "Jim Munster" <freakboy@ptd.net>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: JPM III
    Message-ID: <199706042243.PAA03533@odin.ax.com>

    JPMIII-Has anyone seen one in the flesh yet??
    E.v.H. "Wolfgang"-Same question....
    how do they play, how are thos pick-ups(Nortons)
    help..I still use those sucky Powersound Ibanez.
    Freakboy

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    Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 18:43:14 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Andrew Miller <subtlerage@avalon.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: recommendations...
    Message-ID: <199706042343.SAA21973@arthur.avalon.net>

    i'm curious if anyone has heard any of the following bands and could give me
    an idea of what they sound like...

    Maneige
    Yezda Urfa
    Pangaea

    i was browsing through the syn-phonic catalog and the descriptions for them
    look promising, but i'd like to hear a second opinion(s).

    thanks
    -Andrew

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    Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 20:28:20 -0400
    From: "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com>
    To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: You want a DT Boot?
    Message-ID: <199706050028.UAA07973@brickbat8.mindspring.com>

    hey kids.

    i've got the following dt boots up for grabs:

    Dance Of Eternity (not -the dance of eternity-)
    Dream Out Loud

    you want it? e-mail me. highest bidder gets it, and it starts at $25.

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    -
    e-mail: syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com
    erotomania! = http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx
    offical lemur voice hompage:
          http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur.htm

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    Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 02:32:37 +0000
    From: "SHRED" <lih@sbu.ac.uk>
    To: <bct103@erols.com>, <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: G3 gig in London
    Message-ID: <199706050134.CAA11863@CSDAlpha2.sbu.ac.uk>

    Hi people,
    In case you guys might be interested, here is the set list(approx)
    of the 1st of the 3 shows in London England down 'The Empire".

    1st on-
    Support: Adrian Legg (interesting acoustic guitar stuff)

    2nd on-
    Steve Vai- (I'm not sure about the order of this set because I was so
    into it!! But these are the songs he played, included lot of cool
    other show stuffs between songs too!)
    -There's a fire in the house
    -The animal
    -The riddle
    -Tender surrender
    -Bad horsie
    -Deepness
    -Littel alligator
    -I would love to
    -Ballerina 12/24
    -For the love of god
    -The attitude song

    3rd on-
    Joe Satriani- (he was a bit boring, just stood there and walked
    around a little bit)
    -Cool #9
    -Flying in a blue dream
    -The crush of love
    -Summer song
    -Always with me always with you
    -The extremist
    -Bass solo (Stu Hamm)
    -Satch boogie
    -Surfing with the alien

    Part 4-
    Jamming-
    Joe Satraini, Steve Vai and Brain May

    In my opinion, Steve Vai blew Satch away in individual performance,
    but Brian May blew Satch and Vai off when jamming over Red House by
    Jimi Hendrix.
    That's all!
    Well, I'm going to it again on Thursday and Friday night! : )

    Shred, London.

    **********************************************************
    My Homepage is at...
    http://members.tripod.com/~Shredguitargod/home.html
    (Note:Match cases please!!! Watch that 'S')

    Send all non-txt format mail to SHREDGUITARGOD@HOTMAIL.COM
    (e.g jpeg, wave, etc)

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    Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 21:33:23 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Andrew Miller <subtlerage@avalon.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Gentle Giant
    Message-ID: <199706050233.VAA02756@arthur.avalon.net>

    ok, so i'm browsing the syn-phonic catalog and realize that Gentle Giant is
    listed as an influence or a "this band sounds like" for over 1/2 the damn
    bands in the catalog.

    so i'm thinking perhaps i should check them out. does anyone have any
    recommendations on which album to start off with? i'm big on complex
    arrangements and funky rhythms, time sigs, etc...

    thankya
    -Andrew

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    Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 21:34:45 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Andrew Miller <subtlerage@avalon.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Gentle Giant
    Message-ID: <199706050234.VAA02867@arthur.avalon.net>

    ok, so i'm browsing the syn-phonic catalog and realize that Gentle Giant is
    listed as an influence or a "this band sounds like" for over 1/2 the damn
    bands in the catalog.

    so i'm thinking perhaps i should check them out. does anyone have any
    recommendations on which album to start off with? i'm big on complex
    arrangements and funky rhythms, time sigs, etc...

    thankya
    -Andrew

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    Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 00:07:59 -0300 (EST)
    From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2606
    Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95q.970604131313.28196A-100000@ant116.cce.usp.br>

    On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Daniel Vasconcelos Gomes wrote:

    > Uncovered show

            In fact, I have some video with this name. But everything there is
    a *lot* of interviews about the Uncovered show with all band members and
    about Awake and only 25 minutes of the show. Oh! How I hate these
    misleading advertisements!

            And the quality is like *shit*.

            []s, Roger...

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