YTSEJAM Digest 2612
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Start a Petition ??
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2609
by Gungha@aol.com
3) Re: Hmm.
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
4) Gentle Giant
by Andrew Miller <subtlerage@avalon.net>
5) Gentle Giant
by Andrew Miller <subtlerage@avalon.net>
6) Pangaea
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
7) Re: Lie single for trade
by zimbobmaniacalphysiopsychowarelephantitus@juno.com (Scott R Luttringer)
8) Re: Prog/ I'm wrong/ Xcriptions
by WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>
9) Savatage...long songs?
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
10) Re: Flotsam And Jetsam
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
11)
by evan andrew nelson <enelson@students.uiuc.edu>
12) No Doubt (Rush/metal influence?), Rush remasters in Japan?, Angra boots, Paradise Lost
by curth@execpc.com
13) symphony X sound clip
by "Ronald" <Petnrond@rad.net.id>
14) Lemur Voice In Uden
by Marcel Coenen <mcoenen@cobweb.nl>
15) Major DTC!! DTC!! Guitar enlightenment for me ;)~
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
16) Alanis
by "Simon Mitternacht" <rel96dim@student2.lu.se>
17) Andreas Schaefer?
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
18) Re: Gentle Giant/G3
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 00:08:25 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Start a Petition ??
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95q.970604131926.28196B-100000@ant116.cce.usp.br>
On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Mark Metzger wrote:
> > - why not release live videos for each tour concluded? I mean,
> >something like Metallica has done with "Live Shit: Binge & Purge".
>
> This would do a number of things. First and foremost, it would be
> GREAT, of course. Secondly, it would boost fanclub membership. And
> lastly, it would put a _slight_ damper on bootlegging. A win-win
> situation in my book.
>
> I think that this is something that the jam could actually have some
> influence on. Anyone else have ideas ??
Finally someone that agrees with my idea. :-)
In fact, I wrote that expecting that someone from the band (or
someone with good contact possibilities with them) heard that. Well, I'd
really love to hear what the other jammers think about it.
Later, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 23:06:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Gungha@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2609 Message-ID: <970604230450_552020211@emout13.mail.aol.com>
L. Jason Hartman wrote about a "Home Sweet Home" bootleg...
i was wondering if you would be able to make me a copy of that bootleg? i can send you a tape and pay for postage. I am dying to get a copy of "Moon Bubbles". that is probably the finest of JP's solo, both in technique and in sytle and taste. Email me privately about this. By the by, does anyone out there have video bootlegs of dream Theater or Fatez? thanx.
Mike.
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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 23:54:40 EDT From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Hmm. Message-ID: <19970604.205844.14478.1.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
>BTW, I'm glad you're able to express your opinion so eloquently and >maturely. I'm sure the average Alanis fan would never be capable of >that.
>BTW, Axl Rose NEVER whines or shrieks, and you suck big fat cock!
Keep on posting Lars! You say more about yourself with these posts than I ever could.
Scott
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 22:52:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Andrew Miller <subtlerage@avalon.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Gentle Giant Message-ID: <199706050352.WAA09155@arthur.avalon.net>
ok, so i'm browsing the syn-phonic catalog and realize that Gentle Giant is listed as an influence or a "this band sounds like" for over 1/2 the damn bands in the catalog.
so i'm thinking perhaps i should check them out. does anyone have any recommendations on which album to start off with? i'm big on complex arrangements and funky rhythms, time sigs, etc...
thankya -Andrew
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 22:56:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Andrew Miller <subtlerage@avalon.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Gentle Giant Message-ID: <199706050356.WAA09508@arthur.avalon.net>
ok, so i'm browsing the syn-phonic catalog and realize that Gentle Giant is listed as an influence or a "this band sounds like" for over 1/2 the damn bands in the catalog.
so i'm thinking perhaps i should check them out. does anyone have any recommendations on which album to start off with? i'm big on complex arrangements and funky rhythms, time sigs, etc...
thankya -Andrew
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 00:07:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Pangaea Message-ID: <199706050407.AAA03911@newman.concentric.net>
Andrew Fucking Miller asked,
>i'm curious if anyone has heard any of the following bands and could give me >an idea of what they sound like... > >Pangaea
I'll grab this one. Pangaea is a side project by those two guys who make up Deep Forest. If you're not familiar with Deep Forest, the music is basically manipulated African Pygmie samples set to dance beats. Very cool. Pangaea is very similar, but not quite as "dancy". Good stuff.
Rick Audet Design Engineer, Dolby Labs
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 21:27:03 -0700 From: zimbobmaniacalphysiopsychowarelephantitus@juno.com (Scott R Luttringer) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Lie single for trade Message-ID: <19970604.212704.3342.0.zimbobmaniacalphysiopsychowarelephantitus@juno.com>
>I have a copy of the Lie single that I will trade for the CD boot Lost >in >The Sky. I will also consider any other generous offers.
Haha! I don't think anyone could be that stupid to make that trade! I myself haven't seen LITS available anywhere, so I had to settle for the Milan 93 bootleg (which BTW is the same exact show put out by a different company). If you are interested, email me, because I can give you the name of the guy I got mine from, seeing as how this bootleg is *much* harder to find than the Lie single.
Zimbob (still snickering)
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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 23:31:43 -0600 From: WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Prog/ I'm wrong/ Xcriptions Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970604233143.0068d090@autobahn.mb.ca>
>Ok. But why do you like DT?Or do you think they are not progressive? >I have read a lot of people calling DT of Heavy Metal. They are. Half. >The other part is progressive. Together they form (IMO) the most cool and >interesting kind of music: Progressive Metal. > True, but don't pigeon-hole them into the genre of prog metal...there's so much more to the band's "big picture" than that. I've got an old interview from "Meat" magazine on DT...I should dig it up and post it.
And to the guy who posted this: >I finished reading it. If you recall your post also said I couldn't take >a joke, I guess you can't either. Or did you just ignore the smiley? > Sorry, bud...you win. I didn't ignore it, I didn't notice it. That's what happens when you try to answer mail after being awake for 36 hours.
>One more thing: Does anyone have knowledge of transcriptions of "The Killing Hand"? >For all I know there's no notebook for the WDADU record. > That's right, there isn't one, unfortunatly. However, I have transcribed this song, along with working on transcribing the whole disc. Great song to jam to, btw.
=========================================================== Madness reigns in the Hall of the Mountain King ===========================================================
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 01:41:59 -0500 From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Savatage...long songs? Message-ID: <v01530500afbc08428391@[207.79.6.156]>
>>Savatage-Definitely fit into categories 2 & 3, <realllly long songs> but >>don't really use odd-meter alot. >>This may be open to interpretation. Feel free to point out more, or >>e-mail omissions to me
Huh? I can't think of any Savatage songs that are realllllly long. Please help clarify this.
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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 19:06:57 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Flotsam And Jetsam Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970604190616.007d8c90@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 12:50 PM 6/4/97 -0700, you wrote: >Just got the new Flotsam And Jetsam CD "High" in the mail which came out >yesterday in the states. My overall reaction is utter disappointment. I hope >I don't get jumped all over for this but High sounds like old Metallica and >I hate it.
Oooh, ooh, oooooooh!! I've gotta get this sucker now!!
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http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/6933
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 01:13:26 -0500 (CDT) From: evan andrew nelson <enelson@students.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970605011052.11160D-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu>
Hey Dave, I don't know what kind of bars you have out there but the ones I've been too would consider Faith No More to be as progressive as it gets! It's a shame too.. maybe Illinois isn't the place to be =)
Less than 2 weeks til new 'Deth! Too bad the rest of the world gets it before us stinkin' Americans (or should I say United States of Americans)
-------- Evan A. Nelson enelson@uiuc.edu zanadu@iname.com UIN:268604
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 02:02:59 -0500 (CDT) From: curth@execpc.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: No Doubt (Rush/metal influence?), Rush remasters in Japan?, Angra boots, Paradise Lost Message-ID: <199706050702.CAA10100@mail.execpc.com>
Hey all, Been quite some time since I've posted, but I figured now's as good a time as any - I getting close to caught up on my Jams so hopefully I won't be too far off the mark.
First of all, I still see lingering coments about No Doubt. Dunno if it was mentioned (probably was, but just in case...) I happened to read in a Rolling Stone issue that their guitarist (forget his name) was a metal head when he joined the band and that he used to play Rush instrumentals back in highschool. If anyone's got seats close to the stage at one of their upcoming shows, they outta yell to him to play a Rush tune!
I'm sure some people have begun to pick up the Rush remasters - now while the sound is a considerable upgrade (save for the idiot who mastered Hemispheres - still has that gap in the song!), I was kinda disappointed in the packaging - seems half-assed to me - I mean, yeah the booklets are now true to the original albums, but all the art (including lyric sheets) are shrunk down. I don't think I could read the lyrics to COS even if I had a magnifying glass!! And even the cover art isn't as good as it could be - I have a Japanese copy of FBN and the art on it is more detailed (and I believe) closer in color to the way it should be, which brings me to my question: has Japan released remasters (hopefully with better artwork than the US remasters)? Keiji or anyone can ya help me out?
I also saw the post about Angra boots which aroused my curiosity: are any of the live boots soundboards?? Any replies private or on here would be most appreciated. Also where is the best place to get Angra boots??
Lastly, I've been thinking of getting a Paradise Lost CD, but I'm not sure. I'm a huge fan of Rush, DT and Queensryche (except HitNF) and also really love Angra and Threshold, Stratovarius, some Symphony X, old Metallica, Megadeth, some Blind Guardian, some Gamma Ray, some Fates. I hate death and black metal and satanic lyrics. Is Paradise Lost for me and if so, which CD?
Oh and DTC - what is Metropolis II - will it be on the next album? JUST KIDDING!!! :) :) :) :) :) (Sorry couldn't resist)!
Scott Hansen curth@execpc.com
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:15:16 +0700 From: "Ronald" <Petnrond@rad.net.id> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: symphony X sound clip Message-ID: <199706050708.OAA13244@server2.rad.net.id>
Hello, I'm looking for symphony X sound clip on the internet . I've searched but couldn't find one. Anyone have it ? I really want to hear it, because they don't sell it at my country, Indonesia Please reply me by my email Thanx !!
RONALD 'SHINOBU' petnrond@rad.net.id http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/6654 _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ I can learn to close my eyes........ to anything........ but injustice I can learn to resist.... to anything...........................but temptation -RUSH _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:37:27 +0200 From: Marcel Coenen <mcoenen@cobweb.nl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Lemur Voice In Uden Message-ID: <199706050937.LAA04792@spider01.cobweb.nl>
Hi People,
Here is some updated information on Lemur Voice shows in he netherlands:
Next saturday we will join a festival in UDEN, the place to be is de Nieuwe Pul, the festival is called "planet Pul"
The following bands will play:
Ars Nova, Marathon, Mastermind, Quedam, Lemur Voice, Chandelier, Ritual.
At the 27th of June we will play with another Dutch band called ELEGY in Hilversum, the place to be has called "De tagrijn"
At the fourth of July we will play in Weert, the place to be is "De triangel"
Okay, that's it for the information.
Marcel. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | +-- - - | | | | | * | | | +--- +-+-+ - - /--+ | / +--+ -+- +--- +--- | | | |-- | | | | | |--| | | | | | | |-- | | +------ +--- - - - +--+ | \ +---+ +--+ --- +--- +--- | | | | Marcel Coenen | | Guitarist LEMUR VOICE | | | | E-Mail: mcoenen@cobweb.nl (home) | | marcel.coenen@liberfone.nl (work) | | | | Lemur Voice Official Homepage: | | | | http://www.cobweb.nl/mcoenen/welcome.htm | | and | | http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur.htm | | | | Check out our new album "INSIGHTS" available at | | Magna Carta (USA) and Roadrunner (Europe & Japan) | -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 00:07:40 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: r32734@email.sps.mot.com, fernandm@U.Arizona.EDU, ripzero@dreamt.org, Subject: Major DTC!! DTC!! Guitar enlightenment for me ;)~ Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970605000737.007994f0@postoffice.syspac.com>
Hey, I stumbled upon an old issue of Guitar World earlier tonight as I was cleaning out an old box. It's from November '94 and it's got Prince on the cover. Anyways, on the inside is a great interview with John Petrucci and John Myung, and Petrucci's guitar tech at the time explains the main sounds used on "Awake". There's a diagram of all the stuff he uses, and this guitar tech also decided to let us in on Petrucci's actual EQ settings and such on the Mesa/Boogie TriAxis for his three basic tones that all of his tones are based off of. Here is exactly what's written:
CLEAN:
Preamp mode = Rhythm 1 Yellow Gain = 6 Treble = 6.5 Middle = 3.5 Bass = 3 Lead 1 Drive = 0 Lead 2 Drive = 0 Master = 5.5 Presence = 8 Dynamic Voice = 7 Power amps (Mesa Boogie 2:90 power amp) set on Deep and Modern
MAIN CRUNCH:
Preamp mode = Lead 1 Red Gain = 6 Treble = 6.0 Middle = 5.0 Bass = 4.5 Lead 1 Drive = 4.5 Lead 2 Drive = 0 Master = 4.0 Presence = 6.5 Power amps (Mesa Boogie 2:90 power amp) set on Deep and Modern
LEAD:
Preamp mode = Lead 2 Yellow (Mark II Lead sound) Gain = 7.5 Treble = 4.5 Middle = 4.0 Bass = 5.5 Lead 1 Drive = 0 Lead 2 Drive = 6.5 Master = 6.0 Presence = 0 Dynamic Voice = 3
Now, there's also a MAJOR guitar tone breakthrough in this article, for me. Petrucci's tech says that on the rhythm crunch sounds, Petrucci uses a delay at 25 milliseconds. I thought about this and decided to give it a try on my preamp (Rocktron Chameleon). WOW!! This just improved my guitar tone by about 10 fold. I had some problems with my tone up 'till now, it was awesome, but it was missing something. This adjustment fixed the problem, it made my already great sound into the FAT guitar sound I've been looking for (ala DT, Metallica, Megadeth, Savatage, etc.). If ya don't know (which I didn't until I learned from Hector Crisantes), most guitarists put multiple guitar tracks down for their rhythm sound. Apparently this is because each time you play the riffs, you play **slightly** differently than before, and this adds to the overall "crunchyness". Anyway, this 25 ms delay sound can help accomplish the same type of effect, only on a smaller scale. Actually, on some presets I had to turn my gain down a touch because the effect overdrove things a bit too much and put too much gain in there :) I also found out that if you turn the delay volume up too much, it choruses. I have my delay tones set at a volume of -5 on a scale of -15 to +15, and it sounds great.
Hope I helped some people here ;)~ Laterz, Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:24:57 +0200 From: "Simon Mitternacht" <rel96dim@student2.lu.se> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Alanis Message-ID: <9706051123.AA28737@nomina.lu.se>
Here's my contribution to the Alanis thread...
If you compare DT and Alanis (they're only examples) the difference is that DT work a lot while writing the songs and put all their feelings in the composition. And they try to play them as exactly as possible during recording- and live sessions. Alanis ((and Glen Ballard)) on the other hand writes simple songs and puts her feelings in it while performing it. I'm not saying that DT is some robot without feelings after the songs are written, but there isn't much room for improvisation. Alanis hasn't got any strict borders for her music on stage so even if the songs are halfbad she can make them good just by using her charisma and voice. It wouldn't sound very good if JP started improvising during "the third dance". All the feelings in that song were put there when it was in the writing process.
One method isn't better/worse than the other, it's just different aproaches.
I haven't seen either live (except for videos) so If I'm wrong feel free to correct me. Who knows, maybe Metropolis is nothing but a jam that changes from night to night... :)
(And I wouldn't call Alanis singing "shrieking")
Song of the day: "Limo Wreck" - Soundgarden
Simon Mitternacht
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/1233/
May the force be with you...
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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 13:35:41 +0100 (BST) From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk> To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Andreas Schaefer? Message-ID: <Marcel-1.08-0605123541-d07rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>
Andreas Schaefer, if you're on the list would you please email me?
Thanks . . .
Graham
-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889
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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 14:12:38 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Gentle Giant/G3 Message-ID: <3396C956.3F78@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> From: Andrew Miller
> does anyone have any recommendations on which [Gentle Giant] album to start off with?
I'd recommend any of the following (in no particular order):
"In a Glass House" (hard to find, title track is one of my favorites)
"Octopus" (more of a hard rock edge to this album)
"Free Hand" (considered to have some of the more accesible tunes. contains a song with 5-part a capella madness, and a sample of the first video game ever. the name of the game is left as an exercise :)
Complex time signatures abound in any of them, though.
> From: "SHRED"
> In my opinion, Steve Vai blew Satch away in individual performance, > but Brian May blew Satch and Vai off when jamming over Red House by > Jimi Hendrix.
I saw Queen in '77 when "News of the World" came out (the one with the Dominoes'/Football Stadium Theme Song -> We Will Rock You :). Although I had already suspected it, the live show confirmed it: Brian May *IS* Queen. Yeah, Freddie was the frontman, yeah who can forget Freddie playing keyboards on Bohemian. Brian's sound was so unique and innovative at the time. He stole the show for me. I'd bet Vai and Satch listened to him when they were young-uns :)
Regards,
Jon
*------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------*
"What a mother-fucker absolute stonking boner-inducing piece of music!" - Neil Gallop
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