YTSEJAM Digest 2635
Today's Topics:
1) cd lifetimes
by Deidre Killam <Brachett@concentric.net>
2) Trustworthy Traders!!
by Dave <buster@ee.net>
3) Clogs, Camels, Cables, Cyber
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
4) DT full concert list
by Jason Breitweg <breitweg@zeusa1.desy.de>
5) Fates Warning show and MASSIVE DTC!!!!!
by Jason Breitweg <breitweg@zeusa1.desy.de>
6) Skadz's Bitch of the Day ....
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
7) cancel subscription
by October777@aol.com
8) Megadeth's Touring Partner
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
9) Re: DT full concert list
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
10) Re: Trustworthy Traders!!
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
11)
by "Jeff Falk" <King_of_the_Nighttime_World@msn.com>
12) RUSH set list please
by JE78674@ltu.edu
13) Audi 5000, Enchant
by woot@crypted.com
14) Megadeth show DAT taped
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
15) Re: Whoooooo doggie!
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
16) T-SHIRTS and VIDEOS announcement!!
by Melissa Bahr <emerald@goodnet.com>
17) Re: Long encores
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 21:01:19 -0700
From: Deidre Killam <Brachett@concentric.net>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: cd lifetimes
Message-ID: <33A2178C.ACD18F7C@concentric.net>
"I believe CDs are around 1200-1300 grit, so I'd suggest only using
themin the finishing stages of preperation before acutally laying down a
nice stain, followed by a glossy polyurethane."
Well, thank you, that answers two questions of mine...how to finish my
hard wood flooring...and how to rid myself of a few of my roomies more
agravating cd's...
However, with the right influences, I have proof that a cd can have a
life time of about two months... Say, Oh, the stereo being repeatedly
beat up by the tail of an over enthusiastic german shephard??? LOL
DK
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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 07:40:14 -0400
From: Dave <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Trustworthy Traders!!
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970614074014.006975fc@ee.net>
Hey folks, I meant to mention this a couple days ago and forgot.
I know a lot of CD/Tape trading/purchasing goes on here, and occasionally
we here about someone getting ripped off.
SO, I think it is important to also point out when we've found
a GOOD person to trade/sell with. I recently made a transaction
based on honesty with a 'Jammer named Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
and it went great. Jon and I did a mutual exchange, I sent a check,
he sent a CD. I got my CD from Jon within 4 days of contacting him!!!
I know Jon is interested in some trading etc..., so don't hesitate to
give him a shout and do business with him.
Also, thanks to George gsrockr@stratos.net for trying to help me
get the CD as well...I know George would have been just as reliable
as Jon was!
you guys rule & stuff!
buster
http://users1.ee.net/buster
http://www.dhpc.com/ryche/
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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:12:37 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Clogs, Camels, Cables, Cyber
Message-ID: <01BC78CD.B1613D60@Dukat.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Neil Gallop said :
> the biggest thing to come out of Holland since clogs carved from
> tulip-flavoured edam cheese that are filled with genever and have
> smurfs painted on them (or what do you think, Itchy?).
NOTHING can beat clogs carved from tulip-flavoured edam cheese that
are filled with genever and have smurfs painted on them ! Not even
Dream Theatre ;-) Although, I haven't heard The Gathering yet :-)
(Smurfs fucking rule, btw)
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Mark Peters wrote :
> Hey everyone. I just had to say that it's now been over 2 weeks
> without a Camel.
So, you finally bought a car ? ;-)
The Digital Man said :
> Mark, I think we should start up a Ytse Jam Non Smoking Brotherhood.
How about a non-smoking section on the Ytsejam digests ? Btw, I have
never ever smoked anything in my entire life :-) Smokers suck (and
inhale). ;-)
_____
Lars Hellsten :
> Hahaha! I got my fucking cable modem today! Woohoo, 10 meg/sec
> Internet access from my house baby!!! That's all for now, just
> felt the urge to stop in and claim my superiority to all you
> 28.8k/33.6/56k/ISDN/T1 lamers.
But cable modem doesn't make *you* any less of a lamer, pal ;-)
_____
Btw, I got a nice little note from someone who visited the "Under
A Cyber Moon" website...
> DREAM theater is a shit. Fuck you all!!!
Just thought it was funny that someone would drop by one of the
coolest Dream Theater sites on the 'Net, *only* to mail me that
one stupid line :-) Btw, if you've never been to the "Under A
Cyber Moon" website, check it out at :
http://www.prognosis.com/dream/
Oh btw, I can say it's one of the coolest DT sites because it's
not MY site :-) I'm only temporarily maintaining it :-) :-)
Mark
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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 97 18:52:10 +0200
From: Jason Breitweg <breitweg@zeusa1.desy.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT full concert list
Message-ID: <9706141652.AA17530@zeusa1.desy.de>
Hi boys and girls,
I have copied the list of all DT shows from a web page somewhere. It
was kind of out dates so I added the recent shows. If any of you has
time could you please check it out and see if there are any errors
with places or dates or opening acts. With all us jammers there must
have been at least one of us at just about every show *grin*.
The file is at:
http://www-zeus.desy.de/music/dtshows.txt
E-mail me with any comments.
Jason
-- Jason Breitweg --> breitweg@amzeus.desy.de, jbreitwe@hep.physics.wisc.edu http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg, http://lobelia.physics.wisc.edu/jbreitwe "The Gods Made Heavy Metal And It's Never Gonna Die!" - MANOWAR------------------------------
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 97 18:57:49 +0200 From: Jason Breitweg <breitweg@zeusa1.desy.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fates Warning show and MASSIVE DTC!!!!! Message-ID: <9706141657.AA17533@zeusa1.desy.de>
Hi guys,
Saw FW in Hamburg two days ago. It was a great show they played all of a Pleasant Shade of Grey and then for an encore played Life in Still Water, Never Say Goodbye, The Eleventh Hour, and Monument. there were probably 400 people or so at the show.
But the coolest thing is before Fates went on we walked back in to the hall and I thought I hear a familiar song! Lo and behold it was "Lines in the Sand". Not a live version or anything, this was the studio track my friends! It sounded great, only some small changes from the version at the Fix shows.
They some other bands songs were played and right before FW came on they played the studio version of "Burning my Soul"!! To tell you the truth I would have been happy if FW had waiting to come on *grin*.
I talked to Jim Matheos after the show and asked him where they got the cool DT songs. He looked at me and smiled and said "from Mikey"! So it seems the boys are making some progress in the studio at least.
Jason
P.S. Anyone going to more FW shows should steal this tape they have *evil grin*.
-- Jason Breitweg --> breitweg@amzeus.desy.de, jbreitwe@hep.physics.wisc.edu http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg, http://lobelia.physics.wisc.edu/jbreitwe "The Gods Made Heavy Metal And It's Never Gonna Die!" - MANOWAR
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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 12:29:25 -0400 From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Skadz's Bitch of the Day .... Message-ID: <199706141629.MAA09734@wicked>
Hey All ...
No more jokes to the list please. Join one of the big joke mailing lists out there if you want jokes, but don't post them to the jam.
Thanks Skadz Ytsejam Moderator
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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:05:20 -0400 (EDT) From: October777@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: cancel subscription Message-ID: <970614130520_254688509@emout11.mail.aol.com>
cancel subscription. remove name from list. quit sending me this worthless shit
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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:46:01 PST From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Megadeth's Touring Partner Message-ID: <199706141849.LAA04780@ktk1.SMARTT.COM>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 06/14/97 01:46am -0700
I forgot to tell everyone, the touring partner for Megadeth is the Misfits
Mark/Stranger0 Feel our bodies breathing as you try to stop believing, there's nothing you can do about your shadows, you can't fight us, you are like us and your body will betray you. Lay down and die like all the others. Where are the angels and their wings of freedom. Jesus had his day off when they pulled you through - Bruce Dickinson, Accident of Birth Look for me on ICQ Check out the Megadeth Faq/Megadeth Webring - Circle Of Deth: http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/Front.htm My Page: http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/
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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 15:26:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: DT full concert list Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970614152619.6062A-100000@umbc10.umbc.edu>
> with places or dates or opening acts. With all us jammers there must > have been at least one of us at just about every show *grin*.
Yes, his name is Mike Portnoy. Mike is the biggest DT fan.
Brandon
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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 16:36:40 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Trustworthy Traders!! Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95q.970614163203.29770B-100000@ant116.cce.usp.br>
On Sat, 14 Jun 1997, Dave wrote:
> Hey folks, I meant to mention this a couple days ago and forgot. > I know a lot of CD/Tape trading/purchasing goes on here, and occasionally > we here about someone getting ripped off.
Well, all I have to say is that the best traders that I have found were from the Ytsejam. And I have a lot of trades going on right now... For instance: Chung Ng, Andrew Forcier, Mark Peters among others (I should really not list names because I'll forget some, but I simply couldn't resist).
Just wanted to add this senseless comment, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 97 20:17:50 UT From: "Jeff Falk" <King_of_the_Nighttime_World@msn.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <UPMAIL05.199706142022280225@msn.com>
regarding Megadeth's secret show: >First impressions, way too short, what happened to the >encores I saw Megadeth in '95 on the last tour, and I too thought the show was unnecessarily short. What's odd is that it seemed like half of the concert was encores. (Well, not quite.) Many bands put on a fairly long concert and do one or two song encores. Megadeth must have had five or six.
regarding Rush remasters: I disagree (as usual) that there is no noticeable difference in sound quality. So far I just have the Retrospectives, the first album and _Caress of Steel_. I've never heard the pre-remastered first album, so I can't compare, but Caress really started to sound good by "The Necromancer" (especially the drums). Other than that, it didn't sound that much better, but the newer songs on _Retrospective II_ sound wonderful. I thought I could hear increased quality in "Mystic Rhythms" (especially). While the remasters might seem like shameless attempts to get money from Rush fans, I actually think that it's good for definitive editions of the CD's (with the enhanced packaging) finally came out. They should have done this years ago though.
Jeff Falk King_of_the_Nighttime_World@msn.com
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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:12:56 -0400 (EDT) From: JE78674@ltu.edu To: YTSEJAM@ax.com Subject: RUSH set list please Message-ID: <01IK2NRYLGHE8Y4YN1@LTU.EDU>
As the subject line suggests, would someone out there please send me the current setlist RUSH is playing for the summer tour? I am going to the June 17th show here in Michigan.....oh man......3 more days!!!!!!
Anyway, if anyone can, please help me out.
Thanks a lot,
Jeff E.
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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:49:48 -0600 From: woot@crypted.com To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Audi 5000, Enchant Message-ID: <199706150150.TAA11849@mailmx.micron.net>
>Here's where I announce my unsubscription. Saturday at high noon I'm a >German luxury vehicle with a bunch of interlocked hoops on the grill.
Noooooooo! not Bafu too! how many is that? Rip, Ben, Chris, <insert everybody else>, it really seems like the days of yore are finally ending. <sniff>
Enchant: A Blueprint of the World
very good album. kinda poppy in places, but a must for any prog lover. they aren't derivitive at all, but still manage to sound quite similar to DT in places. (explain that one for me). their drummer (i'd hate to say it) might be better than Mike. I'm not saying he is, but he is definitely up there close.
Enchant: Wounded
not nearly as hook oriented. More progressive, with more thoughtful lyrics. I'm not sure which is better of the two.
Anyone heard Time Lost? is that better?
I just won a new car. I sniff all your mamas' panties.
woot
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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:27:55 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Megadeth show DAT taped Message-ID: <199706150227.TAA05960@goodnet.com>
Yes, I DAT taped the soundboard broadcast, however they did not broadcast the encore (whatever it was). I think the last song that was broadcast was Anarchy in the UK. I'll check the tape again. The DAT came out absolutely perfect and runs 55 minutes... hmmm... CD material?
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 23:34:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Whoooooo doggie! Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970614233335.9740A-100000@umbc8.umbc.edu>
On Fri, 13 Jun 1997 eckie@asu.edu wrote:
> Oh, and not ONE single cuss word in the entire show! Congrat's Dave! > You're the cleanest metal band in the world, officially! :D
"I don't need your fucking shit to get me through the day."
- James Labrie, Birch Hill, 12/29/95
:)
Brandon
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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 22:04:51 -0700 (MST) From: Melissa Bahr <emerald@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: T-SHIRTS and VIDEOS announcement!! Message-ID: <199706150504.WAA19345@goodnet.com>
ANNOUNCING THE AVAILABILITY OF VIDEO MONTAGE & DT HOMEBREW T-SHIRTS!!
Hi everyone, Melissa Bahr here, Mike's wife. He and I noticed that the CD burner seems to be running constantly and production was at maximum speed, but our VCRs and such have sat idle. Mike asked a few days ago if anyone would be interested in further video montages and the response was an overwhelming "yes". He also asked if people would like T-shirts of the boot CD covers, and again, "yes". Since he is busy with CD production, both of these projects will be mine. And since the equipment wasn't being used, I've taken the past few days to pre-prepare a lot of it for sale and immediate shipment. Therefore I intend to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that I'm faster, more reliable, and generally better than my husband in every way. (joking, joking...) :)
We have the Progressive Video Montage tapes ready to ship. A few dozen of them, anyhow. We'll make the rest as demand warrants. It will be printed to order, so no reservations are necessary. Also, it will be very high quality: Maxell HGX Gold tapes (like the Rush VM Mike did in 1994), with all but two of the videos being from original tapes and/or original recordings from broadcast. It will also be very cheap: Ten bucks. Sound good? Here's the video listing from it. We both decided after numerous suggestions of this sort to include all sorts of much-loved prog bands and related bands' videos, rather than just do a re-hash of all Rush stuff.
PROGRESSIVE VIDEO MONTAGE SETLIST ================================= Rush / Lock And Key - Live from the ASOH laserdisc, now out of print Megadeth / Train of Consequences Fates Warning / Monument Tori Amos / Cornflake Girl Candlebox / Change Galactic Cowboys / If I Were A Killer I Mother Earth / So Gently We Go Ozzy / Perry Mason Live / White Discussion - Original version from 1994, not 1995 ver. Queensryche / Bridge Megadeth / Peace Sells Primus / Master of Puppets - from W94, intro segment from encore King's X / Manic Depression - also from W94 Live / Pain Lies on the Riverside Tori Amos / Caught a Lite Sneeze Rush / Nobody's Hero Type O Negative / Christian Woman God Lives Underwater / All Wrong Pink Floyd / High Hopes Pantera / Planet Caravan Van Halen / Unchained Dream Theater / Lie King's X / It's Love Primus / Wynona's Big Brown Beaver Queensryche / Take Hold of the Flame - PAL conversion Dream Theater / The Silent Man - PAL conversion King's X / We Are Finding Who We Are Two bonus videos, just for fun. :)
What do you all think? Pretty wicked huh! We covered almost every band possible that is in some way appealing to the cross-section of DT and Rush fans here on the Ytsejam list and in alt.music.dream-theater. Mike adds that the Nobody's Hero and Silent Man videos are particularly heavily requested and he is happy to include them here. Also, bands that have a few common videos and only one or two rare videos, you will see that we included the rare videos here. As far as we know, none of these are available in any commercial form. And we hit all the heavies: Fates, Galactic Cowboys, King's X, Rush, DT, Tori, I Mother Earth, and Queensryche.
Further details on ordering are below, but to sum it up: fantastic quality, available immediately (~24-48 hour turnaround when we receive your order), only ten bucks (shipping is free, or included, however you prefer to quantify it), and shipping to international addresses of any kind is only three dollars extra. Please help prove to Mike that he's too slow! Please help another project-minded individual with access to a vault full of rare material establish herself here on the net so that she can provide cool stuff for many years. And most of all, please buy this because you'll love the videos, and you'll have access to them to show all your friends. :)
Now then, T-SHIRTS!!! Mike asked if T's featuring former "collect- ible" boot CD cover artwork would be in demand. After the first few dozen of you responded, we got the hint. We did a little talking back and forth with local silk-screening places and such, and we found a place that is willing to give us such a rockin' price that we expect these shirts will sell out in days. Again, we'll print it to order, so there's no need to reserve any, but please let us know if you have your order in the mail so I can get a head-start on production. I'll order the batches ahead of time in anticipation of the money arriving, to further minimize turnaround time.
How's this sound for a price: 16 bucks. Not bad huh?? :) :)
That's for XL, shipped anywhere in the USA. For larger sizes please add $3 (up to XXXL) per shirt, and for shipping anywhere else in the world please also add $3 per shirt. Simple, straightforward, and incredibly cheap. I have to say, I like that. I'd buy it in a second if someone else was doing the project.
The first shirt will be the much-loved ACOUSTIC DREAMS (DT) cover, with artwork by George Fan, and setlist and CD stuff on the back (you know, formatted nicely and with mention of the Jam and the band logo and so on). The shirt will be either deep gray or navy blue, whichever they have available for soonest turnaround. This is the shirt I'll open orders on now. Coming soon are Scenes from a Memory (forest green print on pearl shirt), Antiquities (black print on cream/beige shirt), and WDATU (white on black).
So here's all the final info...
E-mail to let me know about your order, or if you have any questions, I am at: emerald@goodnet.com (Melissa Bahr).
Send all orders, checks made out to Melissa Bahr, to: Melissa Bahr - Shirts [or Video] 275 W. Juniper Ave. #1013 Gilbert, AZ 85233
Progressive Video Montage..............................$10 Dream Theater "Acoustic Dreams" T-Shirt, M/L/XL........$16 Dream Theater "Acoustic Dreams" T-Shirt, XXL or XXXL...$19 Shipping within the USA for any item..................FREE! Shipping anywhere else in the world, per item.........$3
Thanks to everyone in advance for helping me get started with these projects. It's been great talking to a lot of you on the phone, and meeting those of you who have visited us here in Arizona. And I will probably be joining Mike on the plane to Ytsecon IV, wherever it may be! I only hope I can deliver a product that makes you as happy as the stuff Mike creates. And yes, for those of you who are wondering, I've only been on the net a few months and Mike taught me how to word my posts and such, so it might seem like a foggy reflection of one of his "announcements". Insider secret: I do all the updates. Mike just does technical stuff these days. He's completely obsessed with creating new master discs and pressing out huge quantities of the current ones. So get used to my style, you'll be seeing it more and more often as the years go by.
Party on, - Melissa Bahr - emerald@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 23:51:02 -0700 From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Long encores Message-ID: <19970614.235104.12102.2.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
On Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:28:38 -0700 (PDT) "Jeff Falk" <King_of_the_Nighttime_World@msn.com> writes: >regarding Megadeth's secret show:
>I saw Megadeth in '95 on the last tour, and I too thought the >show was unnecessarily short. What's odd is that it seemed like >half of the concert was encores. (Well, not quite.)
KI$$ was like this in the 70's. The Anaheim Stadium show is only :75 and the last :20 is encores. They started encores at :about :50.
Scott
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